Re: [Vo]:MFMP activities

[Kevin O'Malley]

On 7/16/17, Alain Sepeda  wrote:

>
> multiple independent instruments are also more convincing than just two.
 ***That is why I criticized MFMP's dropping this line of inquiry due
to personal circumstances, not due to lack of promise of earlier
results.

It turns out that Matthieu had all the equipment.  Right now MFMP is
raising money for REAL ESTATE to help out Suhas/ECCO.   Just imagine
where we would be in results if MFMP had raised $182k to purchase lab
equipment to continue this gamma ray inquiry in Matthieu's absence.

Re: [Vo]:MFMP activities

[Alain Sepeda]

more generally correlation of complex signal mean uch more than just
signal, one shot corelation, of simple/regular signal corrélation.

correlating two ramp, two exponential is nearly meaningless (this is
however often published in newspapers - some correlated increase of organic
food production and autism declaration in US).

correlating oscillations is better, but it can just be loosely synchonizeed
signal and random luck.

best is output correlated to an irregular, random output.

correlation however can be real but linked to a classical phenomenon. eg
heat out from heat in may be related but just normally. so correlation
between things that should not, even through artifact, is meaningful.

He4/Heat correlation is thousands time more convincing than calorimetry
alone or mass spectrometry alone.

multiple independent instruments are also more convincing than just two.

2017-07-16 2:34 GMT+02:00 Jed Rothwell :

> Kevin O'Malley  wrote:
>
>>
>
>> There is no known chemical interaction that leads to
>> hydrogen/deuterium generating gammas when mixed with nickel/palladium.
>>   Even if there is no excess heat, it MUST be a nuclear phenomena.
>>
>
> People familiar these detectors tell me that a one-off event that does not
> repeat is probably an instrument glitch, or an extraterrestrial event. We
> can't say it MUST be a nuclear phenomenon until we see it happen often,
> with multiple instruments and things like TOF verification.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:MFMP activities

[Kevin O'Malley]

So then a gamma ray detection followed by a replication within 48
hours would be very significant, wouldn't you say?   That's why I'm
disappointed MFMP didn't pursue this line of inquiry.


On 7/15/17, Jed Rothwell  wrote:
> Kevin O'Malley  wrote:
>
>>
>
>> There is no known chemical interaction that leads to
>> hydrogen/deuterium generating gammas when mixed with nickel/palladium.
>>   Even if there is no excess heat, it MUST be a nuclear phenomena.
>>
>
> People familiar these detectors tell me that a one-off event that does not
> repeat is probably an instrument glitch, or an extraterrestrial event. We
> can't say it MUST be a nuclear phenomenon until we see it happen often,
> with multiple instruments and things like TOF verification.
>
> - Jed
>

Re: [Vo]:MFMP activities

[Jed Rothwell]

Kevin O'Malley  wrote:

>

> There is no known chemical interaction that leads to
> hydrogen/deuterium generating gammas when mixed with nickel/palladium.
>   Even if there is no excess heat, it MUST be a nuclear phenomena.
>

People familiar these detectors tell me that a one-off event that does not
repeat is probably an instrument glitch, or an extraterrestrial event. We
can't say it MUST be a nuclear phenomenon until we see it happen often,
with multiple instruments and things like TOF verification.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:MFMP activities

[Kevin O'Malley]

Biberian's results seem iffy to you, though they came within 48 hours
of the gamma ray finding of MFMP.   And then MFMP just dropped the
inquiry due to some personal constraints rather than the lack of
promise in the inquiry.   You essentially admit to not clicking on the
link due to a typo.  MFMP got to within an inch of the holy grail and
then went off to chase white rabbits down their holes, and you
criticize... me?   No wonder interest in LENR is at an alltime low.

There is no known chemical interaction that leads to
hydrogen/deuterium generating gammas when mixed with nickel/palladium.
  Even if there is no excess heat, it MUST be a nuclear phenomena.
Even the skeptopath Kirk Shanahan acknowledges this, and he is one to
throw out all 153 of those peer reviewed replication papers that you
published.



On 7/14/17, Jed Rothwell  wrote:
> Kevin O'Malley  wrote:
>
>
>> > What leads you to doubt Hans Biberian's "replication" of finding the
>> >> gamma rays within 48 hours?
>>
>
> There is no one by the name "Hans Biberian." That's why I did not recall
> any details. I guess you mean Jean-Paul Biberian. J-P. Biberian's results
> seem iffy to me.
>
>
>
>> > Not familiar with that.
>> ***You didn't even click on the link that we're discussing?
>>
>
> I discussed Celani's report with him in detail, and published accounts of
> it. So I know about that one. He did not have an opportunity to repeat it
> so I wouldn't draw any conclusions. Most of the others are iffy, in my
> opinion, but I don't know much about gamma detection.
>
> - Jed
>

Re: [Vo]:MFMP activities

[Jed Rothwell]

Kevin O'Malley  wrote:


> > What leads you to doubt Hans Biberian's "replication" of finding the
> >> gamma rays within 48 hours?
>

There is no one by the name "Hans Biberian." That's why I did not recall
any details. I guess you mean Jean-Paul Biberian. J-P. Biberian's results
seem iffy to me.



> > Not familiar with that.
> ***You didn't even click on the link that we're discussing?
>

I discussed Celani's report with him in detail, and published accounts of
it. So I know about that one. He did not have an opportunity to repeat it
so I wouldn't draw any conclusions. Most of the others are iffy, in my
opinion, but I don't know much about gamma detection.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:MFMP activities

[Kevin O'Malley]

On 7/14/17, Jed Rothwell  wrote:
> Kevin O'Malley  wrote:
>
> What leads you to doubt Hans Biberian's "replication" of finding the
>> gamma rays within 48 hours?
>>
>
> Not familiar with that.
***You didn't even click on the link that we're discussing?
http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/de/16-progress-blog/347-gamma


>
> I don't know much about gamma detection but experts tell me that brief,
> one-off incidents are often instrument glitches.
***In this case it would be a two-off.   And none of those involved
bothered to discuss instrument glitches or anything of the sort, they
just dropped the line of inquiry due to personal circumstances without
telling us what was going on.

>
> - Jed
>

Re: [Vo]:MFMP activities

[Jed Rothwell]

Kevin O'Malley  wrote:

What leads you to doubt Hans Biberian's "replication" of finding the
> gamma rays within 48 hours?
>

Not familiar with that.

I don't know much about gamma detection but experts tell me that brief,
one-off incidents are often instrument glitches.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:MFMP activities

[Kevin O'Malley]

What leads you to doubt Hans Biberian's "replication" of finding the
gamma rays within 48 hours?

On 7/14/17, Jed Rothwell  wrote:
> Kevin O'Malley  wrote:
>
> Well, are you happy with how they handled this gamma ray thing?   They
>> just dropped it.
>
>
> I doubt there are any gamma rays, so I wouldn't fret about this. Anyway,
> researchers always get to decide what they are going to do. If you aren't
> interested in what they chose to do, don't contribute.
>
> - Jed
>

Re: [Vo]:MFMP activities

[Jed Rothwell]

Kevin O'Malley  wrote:

Well, are you happy with how they handled this gamma ray thing?   They
> just dropped it.


I doubt there are any gamma rays, so I wouldn't fret about this. Anyway,
researchers always get to decide what they are going to do. If you aren't
interested in what they chose to do, don't contribute.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:MFMP activities

[Kevin O'Malley]

http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/347-gamma

On 7/13/17, Kevin O'Malley  wrote:
> I updated their blog entry for them.
>
> http://www.quantumheat.org/#comment-8874
>

Re: [Vo]:MFMP activities

[Kevin O'Malley]

Well, are you happy with how they handled this gamma ray thing?   They
just dropped it.  The closest thing to the holy grail they ever came
and just decided they wanted to chase white rabbits instead.

On 7/13/17, Esa Ruoho  wrote:
> If Kevin's so unhappy with what they're doing, how about Kevin you go and
> support them some more, okay? Sell that car, re-mortgage that house twice
> and throw money at them. Otherwise, sell all your belongings and move to
> live with them and guide (financially and direction-wise) their process so
> they get where you want them to go.
> Or find an investor. Right?
>
>
> On 14 July 2017 at 03:43, Kevin O'Malley  wrote:
>
>> I updated their blog entry for them.
>>
>> http://www.quantumheat.org/#comment-8874
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [Vo]:MFMP activities

[Esa Ruoho]

If Kevin's so unhappy with what they're doing, how about Kevin you go and
support them some more, okay? Sell that car, re-mortgage that house twice
and throw money at them. Otherwise, sell all your belongings and move to
live with them and guide (financially and direction-wise) their process so
they get where you want them to go.
Or find an investor. Right?


On 14 July 2017 at 03:43, Kevin O'Malley  wrote:

> I updated their blog entry for them.
>
> http://www.quantumheat.org/#comment-8874
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:MFMP activities

[Kevin O'Malley]

I updated their blog entry for them.

http://www.quantumheat.org/#comment-8874

Re: [Vo]:MFMP activities

[Kevin O'Malley]

On 7/13/17, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> You asked; they answered. What's your problem?
***My problem is that it took them 4 years to do it and they don't
address how they prioritize scientific pursuits.   It's willy nilly.



>> We should see their reasoning for supporting some
>> research over other research if they want us to continue to support
>> them.
>
>
> Are you supporting them?
***Yes

Re: [Vo]:MFMP activities

[Jed Rothwell]

Kevin O'Malley  wrote:

  What do you expect them to do?

***I expect them to inform us on the blog they chose to inform us.
> It would have cost them 10 minutes of their time.


You asked; they answered. What's your problem?



>They have gone
> off on 4 or 5 external trips, chasing down chimera that had less
> chance than this.


Do you mean that Me356 guy? I agree that was a wild goose chase.



> We should see their reasoning for supporting some
> research over other research if they want us to continue to support
> them.


Are you supporting them?

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:MFMP activities

[Kevin O'Malley]

On 7/13/17, Jed Rothwell  wrote:
  What do you expect them to do?
***I expect them to inform us on the blog they chose to inform us.
It would have cost them 10 minutes of their time.   They have gone
off on 4 or 5 external trips, chasing down chimera that had less
chance than this.   We should see their reasoning for supporting some
research over other research if they want us to continue to support
them.   If they can spend time going around the world, they can spend
the time updating us.  It has turned out exactly as I said, they
dropped this line of inquiry and blithely went on to something else.

Re: [Vo]:MFMP activities

[Jed Rothwell]

Kevin O'Malley  wrote:

Then you have confirmed it:  That promising line of inquiry was
> dropped.


They had to drop it. What do you expect them to do? The guy who was doing
it had to get a job and support his family.

You have no business complaining about this. Are you going to pay his
salary and lab expenses? Do you expect him to work for free while his
family starves?

There is practically no cold fusion research in the world because it costs
money, and there is no money. People seem to think that middle-class
researchers can buy equipment costing hundreds of thousands of dollars in
labs that cost ten thousand a month to run . . . how? By waving a magic
wand? Transmuting lead into gold?

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:MFMP activities

[Kevin O'Malley]

Then you have confirmed it:  That promising line of inquiry was
dropped.   You should at least post what you just said on the MFMP
website and ask for anyone who might be interested in furthering this
line of inquiry to get involved.  It wasn't dropped due to lack of
progress, it was dropped due to personal circumstance.

On 7/13/17, AlanG  wrote:
> The experiment reported in your link was done by Mathieu Valat in
> France, with support from Jean-Paul Biberian. Mathieu was unable to
> continue that work due to the burden of supporting a family. However, he
> has recently re-commissioned his concentric-tube calorimeter and gamma
> spectrometer in a new lab. Due to his employment restrictions, he is no
> longer able to pursue this work under the MFMP umbrella, but we hope he
> will publish any significant findings in the future.
>
> Research is a slow, methodical process, with each step refining the
> parameters and adding to the body of knowledge. In each of our projects,
> we try to build on what we learned in previous work. Thus Mathieu's
> report led me to acquiring a gamma spectrometer and other detectors for
> low-energy gamma. This in turn enabled the detection in GS5.2 of
> brehmsstralung gamma emission. My current project has a similar goal,
> looking for photon emission from prepared samples of Nickel and other
> metals exposed to hydrogen, so the work goes on.
>
> On 7/13/2017 6:59 AM, Kevin O'Malley wrote:
>> Alan:
>>
>> The original gamma finding was never updated in 2013.   MFMP simply
>> went silent on it.
>>
>> http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/de/16-progress-blog/347-gamma
>>
>>
>> On 7/12/17, AlanG  wrote:
>>> Every experiment we run since 2013 has gamma spectrometry in place as
>>> well as a sensitive Geiger-Muller pancake detector and several neutron
>>> bubble detectors. All the spectral data and G-M counts are published in
>>> near real time and made permanently available for open viewing and
>>> analysis. Just follow the links I posted.
>>>
>>> As a general rule, we try to avoid drawing conclusions from our data
>>> unless it is clearly unusual, and only then after extensive analysis and
>>> discussion by the Crowd. This includes you of course, and I encourage
>>> you to look at the gamma data from GS5.3 and GS5.4 which ran earlier
>>> this year. If you see anything that looks unusual or otherwise worth
>>> discussion, let us all know.
>>>
>>> *AlanG / MFMP*
>>>
>>> On 7/12/2017 4:44 AM, Kevin O'Malley wrote:
 The issue is:What have you been doing with that gamma ray thing.  All
 the rest fits into what I called "whatever it is".

 On Tuesday, July 11, 2017, AlanG >>> > wrote:

  On 7/11/2017 10:24 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote:
>  The gamma ray finding of MFMP was replicated within 48 hours by
> Hans
>  Biberian.   And then they just faded away onto whatever it is
> they've
>  been doing for 4 years.
  Kevin, your comment suggests that you haven't been paying
  attention or even bothering to search. Just this year, we
  performed four serious experiments as a group and individually,
  including an in-depth detailed field test of the me356 reactor.
  Our goal is the practice of Live Open Science, and nothing is
  hidden, no matter what we find.

  My current research in Ni-Ag (Live Doc - watch for updates) can be
  seen at https://goo.gl/rTDz87

  Below is a partial list of links to our previous work over the
  past five years, in roughly chronological order.
  *
  **AlanG / MFMP*

  Dogbone->Glowstick genesis
  &
  Glowstick Sealing Evernote (AG)
  https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz7lTfqkED9WYUhFZDJhNjRVTm8/view

 

  Ni Etching Evernote
  http://www.evernote.com/l/AXeIG29QrzhC3KVjl9Qf9aJsigzQ671dDG0/
  

  Dogbone Evernote (Ryan Hunt)

 https://www.evernote.com/pub/marpooties/projectdogbone#st=p&n=ca649d5c-7e11-47e8-9299-a0483fb38972

 

  Higgins_Dogbone_drawings

 https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B0yO8n6-0MjNakxTNW9xbHBFaEU

 

  Higgins Spec7 (GS5.2)  Analysis http://goo.gl/DOiXYe

  QuantumHeat Dogbone blog

 http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/experiements/active-experiments/pdb

 

  Dogbone Live Doc

 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F12E3BEtjr8PTm7-t-uWDF0OSNrdO9biuD5GJWoHWhE/

 

Re: [Vo]:MFMP activities

[AlanG]

The experiment reported in your link was done by Mathieu Valat in 
France, with support from Jean-Paul Biberian. Mathieu was unable to 
continue that work due to the burden of supporting a family. However, he 
has recently re-commissioned his concentric-tube calorimeter and gamma 
spectrometer in a new lab. Due to his employment restrictions, he is no 
longer able to pursue this work under the MFMP umbrella, but we hope he 
will publish any significant findings in the future.


Research is a slow, methodical process, with each step refining the 
parameters and adding to the body of knowledge. In each of our projects, 
we try to build on what we learned in previous work. Thus Mathieu's 
report led me to acquiring a gamma spectrometer and other detectors for 
low-energy gamma. This in turn enabled the detection in GS5.2 of 
brehmsstralung gamma emission. My current project has a similar goal, 
looking for photon emission from prepared samples of Nickel and other 
metals exposed to hydrogen, so the work goes on.


On 7/13/2017 6:59 AM, Kevin O'Malley wrote:

Alan:

The original gamma finding was never updated in 2013.   MFMP simply
went silent on it.

http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/de/16-progress-blog/347-gamma


On 7/12/17, AlanG  wrote:

Every experiment we run since 2013 has gamma spectrometry in place as
well as a sensitive Geiger-Muller pancake detector and several neutron
bubble detectors. All the spectral data and G-M counts are published in
near real time and made permanently available for open viewing and
analysis. Just follow the links I posted.

As a general rule, we try to avoid drawing conclusions from our data
unless it is clearly unusual, and only then after extensive analysis and
discussion by the Crowd. This includes you of course, and I encourage
you to look at the gamma data from GS5.3 and GS5.4 which ran earlier
this year. If you see anything that looks unusual or otherwise worth
discussion, let us all know.

*AlanG / MFMP*

On 7/12/2017 4:44 AM, Kevin O'Malley wrote:

The issue is:What have you been doing with that gamma ray thing.  All
the rest fits into what I called "whatever it is".

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017, AlanG mailto:a...@magicsound.us>> wrote:

 On 7/11/2017 10:24 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote:

 The gamma ray finding of MFMP was replicated within 48 hours by Hans
 Biberian.   And then they just faded away onto whatever it is
they've
 been doing for 4 years.

 Kevin, your comment suggests that you haven't been paying
 attention or even bothering to search. Just this year, we
 performed four serious experiments as a group and individually,
 including an in-depth detailed field test of the me356 reactor.
 Our goal is the practice of Live Open Science, and nothing is
 hidden, no matter what we find.

 My current research in Ni-Ag (Live Doc - watch for updates) can be
 seen at https://goo.gl/rTDz87

 Below is a partial list of links to our previous work over the
 past five years, in roughly chronological order.
 *
 **AlanG / MFMP*

 Dogbone->Glowstick genesis
 &
 Glowstick Sealing Evernote (AG)
 https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz7lTfqkED9WYUhFZDJhNjRVTm8/view
 

 Ni Etching Evernote
 http://www.evernote.com/l/AXeIG29QrzhC3KVjl9Qf9aJsigzQ671dDG0/
 

 Dogbone Evernote (Ryan Hunt)

https://www.evernote.com/pub/marpooties/projectdogbone#st=p&n=ca649d5c-7e11-47e8-9299-a0483fb38972



 Higgins_Dogbone_drawings
 https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B0yO8n6-0MjNakxTNW9xbHBFaEU
 

 Higgins Spec7 (GS5.2)  Analysis http://goo.gl/DOiXYe

 QuantumHeat Dogbone blog

http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/experiements/active-experiments/pdb



 Dogbone Live Doc

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F12E3BEtjr8PTm7-t-uWDF0OSNrdO9biuD5GJWoHWhE/


 or
 goo.gl/JzCLRg 

 Dogbone Analysis - Excess Heat calc. http://goo.gl/0rP40x   (Higgins)

 Dogbone Analysis paper (Higgins)
 https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5Pc25a4cOM2TWU5Vk80VkxwYVU/view
 

 Core Heater notes (w/coil shadow)

https://www.evernote.com/pub/alang152/dogbonecoreheater#st=p&n=313ebf33-5c4b-49e5-94a6-05f983b2eed6


 or
 goo.gl/4YLDgM 

 GS2 data archive

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BxxJkjesxe4kfktqTHMxQ

Re: [Vo]:MFMP activities

[Kevin O'Malley]

Alan:

The original gamma finding was never updated in 2013.   MFMP simply
went silent on it.

http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/de/16-progress-blog/347-gamma


On 7/12/17, AlanG  wrote:
> Every experiment we run since 2013 has gamma spectrometry in place as
> well as a sensitive Geiger-Muller pancake detector and several neutron
> bubble detectors. All the spectral data and G-M counts are published in
> near real time and made permanently available for open viewing and
> analysis. Just follow the links I posted.
>
> As a general rule, we try to avoid drawing conclusions from our data
> unless it is clearly unusual, and only then after extensive analysis and
> discussion by the Crowd. This includes you of course, and I encourage
> you to look at the gamma data from GS5.3 and GS5.4 which ran earlier
> this year. If you see anything that looks unusual or otherwise worth
> discussion, let us all know.
>
> *AlanG / MFMP*
>
> On 7/12/2017 4:44 AM, Kevin O'Malley wrote:
>> The issue is:What have you been doing with that gamma ray thing.  All
>> the rest fits into what I called "whatever it is".
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017, AlanG > > wrote:
>>
>> On 7/11/2017 10:24 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote:
>>> The gamma ray finding of MFMP was replicated within 48 hours by Hans
>>> Biberian.   And then they just faded away onto whatever it is
>>> they've
>>> been doing for 4 years.
>> Kevin, your comment suggests that you haven't been paying
>> attention or even bothering to search. Just this year, we
>> performed four serious experiments as a group and individually,
>> including an in-depth detailed field test of the me356 reactor.
>> Our goal is the practice of Live Open Science, and nothing is
>> hidden, no matter what we find.
>>
>> My current research in Ni-Ag (Live Doc - watch for updates) can be
>> seen at https://goo.gl/rTDz87
>>
>> Below is a partial list of links to our previous work over the
>> past five years, in roughly chronological order.
>> *
>> **AlanG / MFMP*
>>
>> Dogbone->Glowstick genesis
>> &
>> Glowstick Sealing Evernote (AG)
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz7lTfqkED9WYUhFZDJhNjRVTm8/view
>> 
>>
>> Ni Etching Evernote
>> http://www.evernote.com/l/AXeIG29QrzhC3KVjl9Qf9aJsigzQ671dDG0/
>> 
>>
>> Dogbone Evernote (Ryan Hunt)
>>
>> https://www.evernote.com/pub/marpooties/projectdogbone#st=p&n=ca649d5c-7e11-47e8-9299-a0483fb38972
>>
>> 
>>
>> Higgins_Dogbone_drawings
>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B0yO8n6-0MjNakxTNW9xbHBFaEU
>> 
>>
>> Higgins Spec7 (GS5.2)  Analysis http://goo.gl/DOiXYe
>>
>> QuantumHeat Dogbone blog
>>
>> http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/experiements/active-experiments/pdb
>>
>> 
>>
>> Dogbone Live Doc
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F12E3BEtjr8PTm7-t-uWDF0OSNrdO9biuD5GJWoHWhE/
>>
>> 
>> or
>> goo.gl/JzCLRg 
>>
>> Dogbone Analysis - Excess Heat calc. http://goo.gl/0rP40x   (Higgins)
>>
>> Dogbone Analysis paper (Higgins)
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5Pc25a4cOM2TWU5Vk80VkxwYVU/view
>> 
>>
>> Core Heater notes (w/coil shadow)
>>
>> https://www.evernote.com/pub/alang152/dogbonecoreheater#st=p&n=313ebf33-5c4b-49e5-94a6-05f983b2eed6
>>
>> 
>> or
>> goo.gl/4YLDgM 
>>
>> GS2 data archive
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BxxJkjesxe4kfktqTHMxQ0Vxb3M0N0tVZDVPNHQtWGhOeXN4SUJ3TUdmYlhsTkE3eFoxUFk
>>
>> 
>> or
>> goo.gl/db2Ogl 
>>
>> GS3 data archive
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BxxJkjesxe4kfm9pVEhvU3RKNzR6ZEcxUktYYThPRXBHZHBPOFBCV1RiMzdmbU45RW13cm8
>>
>> 
>> or
>> goo.gl/MyX0Jh 
>>
>> GS4 data archive
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BxxJkjesxe4kfnczTEJoV1RnQnphNTFQVUhUc29LQTlqOGxpamVfbDBxT3gwa01OdUI4Z28
>>
>> 
>> or
>> goo.gl/o4z9bE 
>>
>>   

Re: [Vo]:MFMP activities

[Jed Rothwell]

AlanG  wrote:

Every experiment we run since 2013 has gamma spectrometry in place as well
> as a sensitive Geiger-Muller pancake detector and several neutron bubble
> detectors.
>

Good! This sounds like a good approach. Using multiple instruments should
make a positive result convincing, especially if more than one type
registers the signal during the event.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:MFMP activities

[AlanG]

Every experiment we run since 2013 has gamma spectrometry in place as 
well as a sensitive Geiger-Muller pancake detector and several neutron 
bubble detectors. All the spectral data and G-M counts are published in 
near real time and made permanently available for open viewing and 
analysis. Just follow the links I posted.


As a general rule, we try to avoid drawing conclusions from our data 
unless it is clearly unusual, and only then after extensive analysis and 
discussion by the Crowd. This includes you of course, and I encourage 
you to look at the gamma data from GS5.3 and GS5.4 which ran earlier 
this year. If you see anything that looks unusual or otherwise worth 
discussion, let us all know.


*AlanG / MFMP*

On 7/12/2017 4:44 AM, Kevin O'Malley wrote:
The issue is:What have you been doing with that gamma ray thing.  All 
the rest fits into what I called "whatever it is".


On Tuesday, July 11, 2017, AlanG > wrote:


On 7/11/2017 10:24 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote:

The gamma ray finding of MFMP was replicated within 48 hours by Hans
Biberian.   And then they just faded away onto whatever it is they've
been doing for 4 years.

Kevin, your comment suggests that you haven't been paying
attention or even bothering to search. Just this year, we
performed four serious experiments as a group and individually,
including an in-depth detailed field test of the me356 reactor.
Our goal is the practice of Live Open Science, and nothing is
hidden, no matter what we find.

My current research in Ni-Ag (Live Doc - watch for updates) can be
seen at https://goo.gl/rTDz87

Below is a partial list of links to our previous work over the
past five years, in roughly chronological order.
*
**AlanG / MFMP*

Dogbone->Glowstick genesis
&
Glowstick Sealing Evernote (AG)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz7lTfqkED9WYUhFZDJhNjRVTm8/view


Ni Etching Evernote
http://www.evernote.com/l/AXeIG29QrzhC3KVjl9Qf9aJsigzQ671dDG0/


Dogbone Evernote (Ryan Hunt)

https://www.evernote.com/pub/marpooties/projectdogbone#st=p&n=ca649d5c-7e11-47e8-9299-a0483fb38972



Higgins_Dogbone_drawings
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B0yO8n6-0MjNakxTNW9xbHBFaEU


Higgins Spec7 (GS5.2)  Analysis http://goo.gl/DOiXYe

QuantumHeat Dogbone blog
http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/experiements/active-experiments/pdb



Dogbone Live Doc

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F12E3BEtjr8PTm7-t-uWDF0OSNrdO9biuD5GJWoHWhE/


or
goo.gl/JzCLRg 

Dogbone Analysis - Excess Heat calc. http://goo.gl/0rP40x   (Higgins)

Dogbone Analysis paper (Higgins)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5Pc25a4cOM2TWU5Vk80VkxwYVU/view


Core Heater notes (w/coil shadow)

https://www.evernote.com/pub/alang152/dogbonecoreheater#st=p&n=313ebf33-5c4b-49e5-94a6-05f983b2eed6


or
goo.gl/4YLDgM 

GS2 data archive

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BxxJkjesxe4kfktqTHMxQ0Vxb3M0N0tVZDVPNHQtWGhOeXN4SUJ3TUdmYlhsTkE3eFoxUFk


or
goo.gl/db2Ogl 

GS3 data archive

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BxxJkjesxe4kfm9pVEhvU3RKNzR6ZEcxUktYYThPRXBHZHBPOFBCV1RiMzdmbU45RW13cm8


or
goo.gl/MyX0Jh 

GS4 data archive

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BxxJkjesxe4kfnczTEJoV1RnQnphNTFQVUhUc29LQTlqOGxpamVfbDBxT3gwa01OdUI4Z28


or
goo.gl/o4z9bE 

GS5.2 Live Doc
http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/515-glowstick-5-2

or
http://goo.gl/z5aoBY

GS5.3 data archive
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxxJkjesxe4kSzg4YXVwNHNpTEk

or
goo.gl/QUhKJb 

GS5.3 

Re: [Vo]:MFMP activities

[Kevin O'Malley]

The issue is:What have you been doing with that gamma ray thing.  All the
rest fits into what I called "whatever it is".

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017, AlanG  wrote:

> On 7/11/2017 10:24 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote:
>
> The gamma ray finding of MFMP was replicated within 48 hours by Hans
> Biberian.   And then they just faded away onto whatever it is they've
> been doing for 4 years.
>
> Kevin, your comment suggests that you haven't been paying attention or
> even bothering to search. Just this year, we performed four serious
> experiments as a group and individually, including an in-depth detailed
> field test of the me356 reactor. Our goal is the practice of Live Open
> Science, and nothing is hidden, no matter what we find.
>
> My current research in Ni-Ag (Live Doc - watch for updates)  can be seen
> at https://goo.gl/rTDz87
>
> Below is a partial list of links to our previous work over the past five
> years, in roughly chronological order.
>
> *AlanG / MFMP*
>
> Dogbone->Glowstick genesis
> &
> Glowstick Sealing Evernote (AG)  https://drive.google.com/file/d/
> 0Bz7lTfqkED9WYUhFZDJhNjRVTm8/view
>
> Ni Etching Evernote
> http://www.evernote.com/l/AXeIG29QrzhC3KVjl9Qf9aJsigzQ671dDG0/
>
> Dogbone Evernote (Ryan Hunt) https://www.evernote.com/pub/
> marpooties/projectdogbone#st=p&n=ca649d5c-7e11-47e8-9299-a0483fb38972
>
> Higgins_Dogbone_drawingshttps://drive.google.com/
> drive/folders/0B0yO8n6-0MjNakxTNW9xbHBFaEU
>
> Higgins Spec7 (GS5.2)  Analysishttp://goo.gl/DOiXYe
>
> QuantumHeat Dogbone bloghttp://www.quantumheat.org/
> index.php/en/experiements/active-experiments/pdb
>
> Dogbone Live Dochttps://docs.google.com/
> document/d/1F12E3BEtjr8PTm7-t-uWDF0OSNrdO9biuD5GJWoHWhE/
> or
> goo.gl/JzCLRg
>
> Dogbone Analysis - Excess Heat calc.http://goo.gl/0rP40x   (Higgins)
>
> Dogbone Analysis paper (Higgins)https://drive.google.com/file/d/
> 0B5Pc25a4cOM2TWU5Vk80VkxwYVU/view
>
> Core Heater notes (w/coil shadow)https://www.evernote.com/pub/
> alang152/dogbonecoreheater#st=p&n=313ebf33-5c4b-49e5-94a6-05f983b2eed6
> or
> goo.gl/4YLDgM
>
> GS2 data archivehttps://drive.google.com/drive/folders/
> 0BxxJkjesxe4kfktqTHMxQ0Vxb3M0N0tVZDVPNHQtWGhOeXN4SUJ3TUdmYlhsTkE3eFoxUFk
> or
> goo.gl/db2Ogl
>
> GS3 data archivehttps://drive.google.com/drive/folders/
> 0BxxJkjesxe4kfm9pVEhvU3RKNzR6ZEcxUktYYThPRXBHZHBPOFBCV1RiMzdmbU45RW13cm8
> or
> goo.gl/MyX0Jh
>
> GS4 data archivehttps://drive.google.com/drive/folders/
> 0BxxJkjesxe4kfnczTEJoV1RnQnphNTFQVUhUc29LQTlqOGxpamVfbDBxT3gwa01OdUI4Z28
> or
> goo.gl/o4z9bE
>
> GS5.2 Live Dochttp://www.quantumheat.org/
> index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/515-glowstick-5-2
> or
> http://goo.gl/z5aoBY
>
> GS5.3 data archivehttps://drive.google.com/open?id=
> 0BxxJkjesxe4kSzg4YXVwNHNpTEk
> or
> goo.gl/QUhKJb
>
> GS5.3 TN7200 spectra on CloudDrive http://gofile.me/2yOri/eFGRuYs82
> missing 17Jan2017
>
> GS5.3 Calibration Video on CloudDrivehttp://gofile.me/2yOri/8yXLpcGSf
>
> GS5.4 live dochttps://goo.gl/2jqpjm
>
> GS5.4 data archivehttps://goo.gl/W1i0pY
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:MFMP activities

[AlanG]

On 7/11/2017 10:24 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote:

The gamma ray finding of MFMP was replicated within 48 hours by Hans
Biberian.   And then they just faded away onto whatever it is they've
been doing for 4 years.
Kevin, your comment suggests that you haven't been paying attention or 
even bothering to search. Just this year, we performed four serious 
experiments as a group and individually, including an in-depth detailed 
field test of the me356 reactor. Our goal is the practice of Live Open 
Science, and nothing is hidden, no matter what we find.


My current research in Ni-Ag (Live Doc - watch for updates)  can be seen 
at https://goo.gl/rTDz87


Below is a partial list of links to our previous work over the past five 
years, in roughly chronological order.

*
**AlanG / MFMP*

Dogbone->Glowstick genesis
&
Glowstick Sealing Evernote (AG) 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz7lTfqkED9WYUhFZDJhNjRVTm8/view


Ni Etching Evernote
http://www.evernote.com/l/AXeIG29QrzhC3KVjl9Qf9aJsigzQ671dDG0/

Dogbone Evernote (Ryan Hunt) 
https://www.evernote.com/pub/marpooties/projectdogbone#st=p&n=ca649d5c-7e11-47e8-9299-a0483fb38972


Higgins_Dogbone_drawings 
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B0yO8n6-0MjNakxTNW9xbHBFaEU


Higgins Spec7 (GS5.2)  Analysishttp://goo.gl/DOiXYe

QuantumHeat Dogbone blog 
http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/experiements/active-experiments/pdb


Dogbone Live Doc 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F12E3BEtjr8PTm7-t-uWDF0OSNrdO9biuD5GJWoHWhE/

or
goo.gl/JzCLRg

Dogbone Analysis - Excess Heat calc.http://goo.gl/0rP40x (Higgins)

Dogbone Analysis paper (Higgins) 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5Pc25a4cOM2TWU5Vk80VkxwYVU/view


Core Heater notes (w/coil shadow) 
https://www.evernote.com/pub/alang152/dogbonecoreheater#st=p&n=313ebf33-5c4b-49e5-94a6-05f983b2eed6

or
goo.gl/4YLDgM

GS2 data archive 
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BxxJkjesxe4kfktqTHMxQ0Vxb3M0N0tVZDVPNHQtWGhOeXN4SUJ3TUdmYlhsTkE3eFoxUFk

or
goo.gl/db2Ogl

GS3 data archive 
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BxxJkjesxe4kfm9pVEhvU3RKNzR6ZEcxUktYYThPRXBHZHBPOFBCV1RiMzdmbU45RW13cm8

or
goo.gl/MyX0Jh

GS4 data archive 
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BxxJkjesxe4kfnczTEJoV1RnQnphNTFQVUhUc29LQTlqOGxpamVfbDBxT3gwa01OdUI4Z28

or
goo.gl/o4z9bE

GS5.2 Live Doc 
http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/515-glowstick-5-2

or
http://goo.gl/z5aoBY

GS5.3 data archive 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxxJkjesxe4kSzg4YXVwNHNpTEk

or
goo.gl/QUhKJb

GS5.3 TN7200 spectra on CloudDrive http://gofile.me/2yOri/eFGRuYs82
missing 17Jan2017


GS5.3 Calibration Video on CloudDrive http://gofile.me/2yOri/8yXLpcGSf

GS5.4 live dochttps://goo.gl/2jqpjm

GS5.4 data archivehttps://goo.gl/W1i0pY