[Vo]:Piantelli's amazing claims
This has been discussed elsewhere, but a lot is happening and the threads here are tangled up with [Vo]:Re:[Vo] problem, so I thought I would reiterated it. Piantelli has been making some amazing claims lately. See: http://ecatnews.com/?p=581 Original source in Italian: http://www.energeticambiente.it/sistemi-idrogeno-nikel/14742857-novita-cella-piantelli.html Some quotes: For some time now, rumours have been circulating about Professor Focardi’s former collaboration partner, Professor Piantelli. Focardi and Piantelli were the first to show the true potential of Ni-H LENR. . . . These reports are beginning to gel and Roy Virgilio confirmed in Saturday’s talk at Viarregio that Piantelli was indeed preparing an eCat competitor. Virgilio expands on earlier scant details on this site (Italian). The following covers the important points so far: * Prof. Piantelli is working with the University of Siena on his Ni-H cell * In the last few days, old cells have been rekindled with ease after working for months in the past. * The cells were not pushed to perform and yet confirmed small excess energy. * Still in progress with a schedule of up to two months * Old cells have excess energy of about 2-3 times input * New ones plan an excess of about 200 times the energy input . . . * Patents are filed and pending * Some collaboration with a major U.S. institution including 3 days in the Siena lab . . . * Confirms the presence of 6-7 Mev Protons . . . END QUOTES Piantelli has loads of academic credibility. He is been supported for many years by an Italian automobile manufacturer. I wish I could recall which one. As you see from the photos of his lab he has top-notch equipment. He has been working slowly, in contrast to Rossi. Mike Melich remarked that Piantelli comes from part of Italy where there is a large monastery they began building in A.D. 1346. They are still not finished. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Piantelli's amazing claims
On 2011-11-29 20:38, Jed Rothwell wrote: Original source in Italian: http://www.energeticambiente.it/sistemi-idrogeno-nikel/14742857-novita-cella-piantelli.html Hopefully we will have additional news on Piantelli by Roy Virgilio soon. There were supposed to be some by the second half of November but it looks like this got delayed a bit. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Piantelli's amazing claims
Am 29.11.2011 20:38, schrieb Jed Rothwell: Piantelli has loads of academic credibility. He is been supported for many years by an Italian automobile manufacturer. I wish I could recall which one. So far I have read this was Fiat Avio SpA, which was Fiat's aviation business. They sold it some time ago. Peter
Re: [Vo]:Piantelli's amazing claims
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:38:04 -0500: Hi, [snip] * Confirms the presence of 6-7 Mev Protons The suggestion that 6-7 MeV protons are responsible doesn't add up. If you bombard Nickel with 6-7 MeV protons you don't get enough energy from the fusion reactions to accelerate the original protons (otherwise this method would have been employed years ago). It also leaves open the question of where the 6-7 MeV protons came from in the first place. IOW this sounds like a half-baked theory. Of course it's possible that either a small Hydrino molecule or IRH is fusing with the Ni, and the energy is being carried away by unfused protons, some of which achieve an energy of 6-7 MeV. A few of these would then also undergo the occasional fusion reaction, contributing a little extra. However most of the energy must of necessity come from the original reaction that gave the protons their energy. Note also that 6-7 MeV is the energy that you get from fusing a proton with a Ni nucleus, so a likely reaction is the fusion of a Hydrino molecule with a Ni nucleus, where one of the two protons fuses, and the other is ejected carrying the energy of the fusion reaction of the first proton. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Piantelli's amazing claims
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 3:59 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:38:04 -0500: Note also that 6-7 MeV is the energy that you get from fusing a proton with a Ni nucleus, so a likely reaction is the fusion of a Hydrino molecule with a Ni nucleus, where one of the two protons fuses, and the other is ejected carrying the energy of the fusion reaction of the first proton. So, you don't buy Piantelli's theory that H- ions are formed within the lattice by capturing an extra electron then the entire ion is being captured by the Ni nucleus due to the H- ion overcoming the Coulomb barrier? T
Re: [Vo]:Piantelli's amazing claims
“where one of the two protons fuses, and the other is ejected carrying the energy of the fusion reaction of the first proton.” Could these two protons derive from a cooper pair of protons coming from a Bose-Einstein condensate of entangled protons? On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 3:59 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:38:04 -0500: Hi, [snip] * Confirms the presence of 6-7 Mev Protons The suggestion that 6-7 MeV protons are responsible doesn't add up. If you bombard Nickel with 6-7 MeV protons you don't get enough energy from the fusion reactions to accelerate the original protons (otherwise this method would have been employed years ago). It also leaves open the question of where the 6-7 MeV protons came from in the first place. IOW this sounds like a half-baked theory. Of course it's possible that either a small Hydrino molecule or IRH is fusing with the Ni, and the energy is being carried away by unfused protons, some of which achieve an energy of 6-7 MeV. A few of these would then also undergo the occasional fusion reaction, contributing a little extra. However most of the energy must of necessity come from the original reaction that gave the protons their energy. Note also that 6-7 MeV is the energy that you get from fusing a proton with a Ni nucleus, so a likely reaction is the fusion of a Hydrino molecule with a Ni nucleus, where one of the two protons fuses, and the other is ejected carrying the energy of the fusion reaction of the first proton. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
