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2012/2/16 OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com: So Rossi doesn't take money from investors, but he does take money from the sale of licenses for an unreliable product. Is this a responsible way to run a business? Harry, what's your point? Surely you realize the fact that many within the Vort Collective question Rossi's business practices. And so do I. It's exacerbated by the fact that Rossi tells us only what he wants to tell us, so who the hell really knows what is happening. I also know that I'm not in Rossi's shoes. Are you in his shoes? Do you really know what's happening? Rossi doesn't just selectively reveal information about the state his business he also lies about the state of his business. I don't think the misinformation is part of some brilliant business stragety. Instead, I think he lies out of a sense of shame of appearing falliable and therefore weak. Perhaps he behaves this way because he his mother or father did not tolerate failure. Anyway a recognition of your own weakness is essential for success in any endeavour. harry
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2012/2/18 Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com: Perhaps he behaves this way because he his mother or father did not tolerate failure. Or poor potty training. T
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The uncorrect persons do not respect the NDA and our attorneys take care of them. Ominous. T
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Regarding: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=580cpage=3#comment-185662 Andrea Rossi February 16th, 2012 at 7:21 AM IMPORTANT: PLEASE READ CAREFULLY Information regarding Leonardo Corporation’s Commercial License Policy: Since some clown ( probably a “millionaire” clown, who has teamed up with a puppet snake) has put on the net an unvalid invoice from Leonardo Corporation, while our attorneys are working on the issue, I deem opportune to clarify the policy of Leonardo Corporation regarding the commercial licenses. We give exclusive commercial licenses for limited territories. When the interested persons ask to us a commercial license to sell the E-Cats we make an offer. The price of the license depends on many factors, regarding the Territory. If the interested persons agree upon the text that we propose, we send a text of an agreement, which is obviously covered by NDA. The uncorrect persons do not respect the NDA and our attorneys take care of them. After the interested persons sign the agreement, we send an invoice, and the agreement is deemed valid only after the payment of the license fee is done within the term agreed. If the payment is not done, the agreement expires and that invoice for which the payment has not been made is compensated in the accounting by a credit memo. When a Customer asks to buy a product of Leonardo Corp, he is addressed to the proper licensee. All the persons interested to our commercial licenses can send the request and a description of their organization to: i...@leonardocorp1996.com I must add that practically all the world’s Territories have been already licensed. Soon we will organize a convention of all our Licensees, for the presentation of the E-Cat, in the final shape that will be marketed, and in that occasion we will give the full list of all our Licensees. The most important Territories in which we have not yet found the right licensee are: 1- Russia 2- Japan We take this occasion to solicit the People interested to these territories to contact us. Attention: we give the licences only to Organizations which are settled inside the Territories for which they want to buy the license. Warm Regards, Andrea Rossi CEO of Leonardo Corp. I assume this is in reference to the following PDF file of an alleged INVOICE posted on Krivit's NET site: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/Solihin-Millin/20120127Rossi-Invoice-Redact.pdf Rossi's seems to be claiming this alleged document is nothing more than a complete fabrication. I see three possible scenarios that come to mind in regards to what this could possibly mean for Krivit. SCENARIO ONE: Depending on how one interprets what Rossi is actually saying here it still seems conceivable to me that Leonardo Corp actually did send this document to Bryon New Energy Charitable Trust. However, it's not clear to me whether the document was an actual bill or just an initial proposal to pay a certain amount of money in exchange for a product. It's possible the invoice Krivit received was incomplete, meaning that there may have been additional pages containing wording that spelled out specific terms and conditions. In my own experience requests (invoices) for services or products between interested parties are sent out all the time with dollar figures attached on the last page. It's all part of the on-going negotiation process. It's called bargaining! Negotiations of this nature are typically done IN PRIVATE. In my view, if this really was a document pertaining to a private on-going negotiation process I think it was unethical for Krivit to have posted it. Perhaps someone with some lawyer experience can comment more on this conjecture of mine, and clarify any misconceptions I might have created. Jones! You up to the challenge? SCENARIO TWO: Krivit deliberately and with full knowledge posted out on NET what he knew to be a fabrication in an attempt to defame Rossi. (I find this very hard to believe. In fact I don't believe it.) SCENARIO THREE: Someone Krivit presumably believes to be a trusted source gave him this invoice. The trusted source convinced Krivit that it was an authentic invoice. Krivit, wanting to believe it was an authentic document, subsequently posted out on NET in an attempt to defame Rossi. It also implies that Krivit was himself scammed. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Nowhere does Rossi say the invoice is fabricated. He just says it is 'unvalid', which apart from not entirely correct or usual English, is a bit vague, and maybe intentionally so. (he might be conveniently hiding behind his language barrier, here, knowing he gives the impression that it is fabricated, but keeping options open in case more evidence pops up). My feeling is that the invoice is real. The rest of the message very much acknowledges that he has indeed been selling commercial licenses bound to territories, so I wouldn't know why the Byron New Energy Charity Trust couldn't be one of them. [ Nor do I understand exactly why that would incriminate Rossi much ] Rossi puts his faith in the strangest people (remember Rossi allowing Stirling Allen to build his official website? You may think what you want of Stirling, a lot of that was discussed earlier this week, but one thing is clear: he can NOT build a decent website). The 'unvalid' theoretically might more indirectly refer to the 'invalidness' of the act of bringing the invoice out to the public, which must probably conflict with the NDA he had with Byron, and that is what his attorneys are looking at. Final remark: the invoice # (101) is interesting. Either he has sent 100 previous invoices, or it is hist first. I know when I was 20 and had my first company, I started my first invoice with # 101 for not wanting to show that I was such a rookie. Andre On 02/16/2012 12:10 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: Regarding: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=580cpage=3#comment-185662 Andrea Rossi February 16th, 2012 at 7:21 AM IMPORTANT: PLEASE READ CAREFULLY Information regarding Leonardo Corporation’s Commercial License Policy: Since some clown ( probably a “millionaire” clown, who has teamed up with a puppet snake) has put on the net an unvalid invoice from Leonardo Corporation, while our attorneys are working on the issue, I deem opportune to clarify the policy of Leonardo Corporation regarding the commercial licenses. We give exclusive commercial licenses for limited territories. When the interested persons ask to us a commercial license to sell the E-Cats we make an offer. The price of the license depends on many factors, regarding the Territory. If the interested persons agree upon the text that we propose, we send a text of an agreement, which is obviously covered by NDA. The uncorrect persons do not respect the NDA and our attorneys take care of them. After the interested persons sign the agreement, we send an invoice, and the agreement is deemed valid only after the payment of the license fee is done within the term agreed. If the payment is not done, the agreement expires and that invoice for which the payment has not been made is compensated in the accounting by a credit memo. When a Customer asks to buy a product of Leonardo Corp, he is addressed to the proper licensee. All the persons interested to our commercial licenses can send the request and a description of their organization to: i...@leonardocorp1996.com I must add that practically all the world’s Territories have been already licensed. Soon we will organize a convention of all our Licensees, for the presentation of the E-Cat, in the final shape that will be marketed, and in that occasion we will give the full list of all our Licensees. The most important Territories in which we have not yet found the right licensee are: 1- Russia 2- Japan We take this occasion to solicit the People interested to these territories to contact us. Attention: we give the licences only to Organizations which are settled inside the Territories for which they want to buy the license. Warm Regards, Andrea Rossi CEO of Leonardo Corp. I assume this is in reference to the following PDF file of an alleged INVOICE posted on Krivit's NET site: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/Solihin-Millin/20120127Rossi-Invoice-Redact.pdf Rossi's seems to be claiming this alleged document is nothing more than a complete fabrication. I see three possible scenarios that come to mind in regards to what this could possibly mean for Krivit. SCENARIO ONE: Depending on how one interprets what Rossi is actually saying here it still seems conceivable to me that Leonardo Corp actually did send this document to Bryon New Energy Charitable Trust. However, it's not clear to me whether the document was an actual bill or just an initial proposal to pay a certain amount of money in exchange for a product. It's possible the invoice Krivit received was incomplete, meaning that there may have been additional pages containing wording that spelled out specific terms and conditions. In my own experience requests (invoices) for services or products between interested parties are sent out all the time with dollar figures attached on the last page. It's all part of the on-going negotiation process. It's called bargaining! Negotiations of this nature are typically done IN PRIVATE. In my
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2012/2/16 Andre Blum andre_vor...@blums.nl: Nowhere does Rossi say the invoice is fabricated. He just says it is 'unvalid', which apart from not entirely correct or usual English, is a bit vague, and maybe intentionally so. (he might be conveniently hiding behind his language barrier, here, knowing he gives the impression that it is fabricated, but keeping options open in case more evidence pops up). My feeling is that the invoice is real. The rest of the message very much acknowledges that he has indeed been selling commercial licenses bound to territories, so I wouldn't know why the Byron New Energy Charity Trust couldn't be one of them. [ Nor do I understand exactly why that would incriminate Rossi much ] Agreed. See this paragraph of Rossi's post; After the interested persons sign the agreement, we send an invoice, and the agreement is deemed valid only after the payment of the license fee is done within the term agreed. If the payment is not done, the agreement expires and that invoice for which the payment has not been made is compensated in the accounting by a credit memo. So basically he seems to be saying that invoice is 'unvalid' because Byron never paid him. Rob
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So Rossi doesn't take money from investors, but he does take money from the sale of licenses for an unreliable product. Is this a responsible way to run a business? Harry On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.comwrote: Hello group, This is straight from JONP. I think it's interesting. Be warned, that Rossi has edited this message a few times and added more information in the process, so try checking from time to time if it differs from the version on his blog while it's hot : http://www.journal-of-nuclear-**physics.com/?p=580cpage=3#** comment-185662http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=580cpage=3#comment-185662 Andrea Rossi February 16th, 2012 at 7:21 AM IMPORTANT: PLEASE READ CAREFULLY Information regarding Leonardo Corporation’s Commercial License Policy: Since some clown ( probably a “millionaire” clown, who has teamed up with a puppet snake) has put on the net an unvalid invoice from Leonardo Corporation, while our attorneys are working on the issue, I deem opportune to clarify the policy of Leonardo Corporation regarding the commercial licenses. We give exclusive commercial licenses for limited territories. When the interested persons ask to us a commercial license to sell the E-Cats we make an offer. The price of the license depends on many factors, regarding the Territory. If the interested persons agree upon the text that we propose, we send a text of an agreement, which is obviously covered by NDA. The uncorrect persons do not respect the NDA and our attorneys take care of them. After the interested persons sign the agreement, we send an invoice, and the agreement is deemed valid only after the payment of the license fee is done within the term agreed. If the payment is not done, the agreement expires and that invoice for which the payment has not been made is compensated in the accounting by a credit memo. When a Customer asks to buy a product of Leonardo Corp, he is addressed to the proper licensee. All the persons interested to our commercial licenses can send the request and a description of their organization to: i...@leonardocorp1996.com I must add that practically all the world’s Territories have been already licensed. Soon we will organize a convention of all our Licensees, for the presentation of the E-Cat, in the final shape that will be marketed, and in that occasion we will give the full list of all our Licensees. The most important Territories in which we have not yet found the right licensee are: 1- Russia 2- Japan We take this occasion to solicit the People interested to these territories to contact us. Attention: we give the licences only to Organizations which are settled inside the Territories for which they want to buy the license. Warm Regards, Andrea Rossi CEO of Leonardo Corp. Cheers, S.A.
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So Rossi doesn't take money from investors, but he does take money from the sale of licenses for an unreliable product. Is this a responsible way to run a business? Harry, what's your point? Surely you realize the fact that many within the Vort Collective question Rossi's business practices. And so do I. It's exacerbated by the fact that Rossi tells us only what he wants to tell us, so who the hell really knows what is happening. I also know that I'm not in Rossi's shoes. Are you in his shoes? Do you really know what's happening? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks