[Vo]:Re: Mats Lewan on Steam Quality
Jed, how can you made such measurements without even a water trap? Why you can't realize that? It's a 2 million trade. The expert didn't add even a simple water trap. It's amazing! -Messaggio originale- From: Jed Rothwell Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 2:45 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality Mattia Rizzi wrote: The point 2 is CRITICAL when the measuremnt is done with point 1, because without using a demister you made a mesuremnt error that *over-extimate* the real energy produced. Over-estimate by how much? 470 kW? I doubt it. The exact power level does not matter. An hour after you turn off input power, the pipe coming out out would be at room temperature. It would be obvious there is no heat. You do not need high precision to prove the thing is producing anomalous heat. The colonel's methods are standard HVAC techniques, and they are fine. Anyone can always think of a more precise way, to make a measurement. The question is: Will the extra precision add to the confidence of the result? Or will it only add meaningless extra digits of precision while confusing the issue with extra layers of complexity? The suggestions made here by skeptics will have the latter effect. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Re: Mats Lewan on Steam Quality
Mattia Rizzi wrote: Jed, how can you made such measurements without even a water trap? That was a water trap. You can see it trapped water and condensate. Presumably when steam began coming out, they closed it. That's how people operate steam engines, as I mentioned. Why you can't realize that? It's a 2 million trade. The expert didn't add even a simple water trap. It's amazing! No, it isn't. I suggest you watch someone test a boiler sometime, or run an old fashioned steam engine. Once the pipes fill with steam and the temperature goes over 100°C and stays there, the pipes do not later magically fill with water or condensate again. - Jed
[Vo]:Re: Mats Lewan on Steam Quality
That was a water trap. You can see it trapped water and condensate. This isn't a water trap. A water trap is a U shaped tube. It physically force water to go down. See it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trap_%28plumbing%29 What they made is a small hole inside the tube, like a T. Not U-shaped tube. This not constrain water to go down, especially when there is a high wind made by the steam. -Messaggio originale- From: Jed Rothwell Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 3:01 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Mats Lewan on Steam Quality Mattia Rizzi wrote: Jed, how can you made such measurements without even a water trap? That was a water trap. You can see it trapped water and condensate. Presumably when steam began coming out, they closed it. That's how people operate steam engines, as I mentioned. Why you can't realize that? It's a 2 million trade. The expert didn't add even a simple water trap. It's amazing! No, it isn't. I suggest you watch someone test a boiler sometime, or run an old fashioned steam engine. Once the pipes fill with steam and the temperature goes over 100°C and stays there, the pipes do not later magically fill with water or condensate again. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Re: Mats Lewan on Steam Quality
I think the thing that is missing from this discussion is that, assuming Domenico Fioravanti is really working for The Customer (who is seeming like a missing player from the Matrix series, similar to The Engineer, The Architect, etc), Col. Fioravanti has been present for a while. He is documented to have been present in the October 6th demonstration and has likely been hanging around the eCat plant for a good while. Everyone seems to want to believe that what we are witnessing is Andrea Rossi's attemptimg to convince the world that his reaction is real and, thusly, he needs to be running experiments with proper controls and measuring devices. Well folks, that is NOT AR's goal in all this fanfare. His goal is to become rich and, oh, by the way, save the world and go down in history. If you wish to see proper science conducted on the Rossi Reactor, you're gonna have to ante up and go buy yourself an eCat. That is likely what someone has just done right before our eyes. And Andrea Rossi is grinning from ear to ear because, it appears, someone gave him some money . . . lots of money. Now he gets to keep that beautiful wife and buy that nice Villa in Miami with hot and cold running maids. Oh, and did I mention, he might just have saved the world? Meanwhile, elsewhere in the nascent world, someone queried DGT about who invented their reactor core. Their response was not what I expected: All resonable questions raised in this forum will be answered in due time. This includes your question also . Thank you http://defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=374 T T
[Vo]:Re: Mats Lewan on Steam Quality
I add another piece: the TEG patent was rejected from EPO for lack of novelty. -Messaggio originale- From: Robert Leguillon Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:50 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality I know that this post is going to ruffle some feathers, but: He has indeed done stints in jail. He has repeatedly claimed incredible strides in developing rare technology, and has seen things go awry in delivery. Petroldragon appeared totally revolutionary. The telling of this story varies greatly, and the most detailed accounts come from the accused - Rossi. It is not palatable to go over allegations, but it is undisputed that he ended up in jail, with stockpiled waste. But in his telling, it was a mafia conspiracy. Leonardo Technologies, Inc. demonstrated a Thermo Electric device at 20% efficiency, when the norm was 4%. I am actually curious if this demonstration involved boiling water. (If anyone can find info on the University of New Hampshire testing, this could be incredibly telling). According to the Army pdf below: When it can time to deliver, his facility caught fire. Then he moved production, and the subcontractors failed. Upwards of 75% of his units didn't work at all, and the remaining gave 1 watt instead of 800-1000W. When he was bailed out to the point that true experts were building him new assembly procedures, he finally built working devices that performed right on par with existing technology. http://dodfuelcell.cecer.army.mil/library_items/Thermo(2004).pdf Ni-H technology may indeed be valid. Rossi may have indeed contributed greatly by using nano-nickel. But, when these tests leave questions, tread very, very lightly in proclamations of faith. Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Peter Heckert wrote: This is how he appears to you, and this is why he doesnt invite you. He wants to look like a crook? This is complicated reverse psychology. It could easily backfire I suppose, and have the opposite effect. I suppose he also wanted the authorities to send him to jail years ago. It was part of his long-range scheme to make himself look like a criminal, so that he could then use reverse psychology to make himself not look like a criminal. I don't buy that. He doesnt invite people that love to discuss and ask difficult questions. He does invite such people. They discuss things to a fair-thee-well. They ask difficult questions. He seldom answers those questions. However he does not have to. His machine answers your questions, if you understand first principle physics. Of course, with you or me this wouldnt work. Therefore he doesnt invite you or Brian Josephson. Actually, he did but Josephson could not attend. Therefore he presents a leaking ecat to NASA researchers and sents them home. After it spectacularly failed to work and everyone got angry. You are saying this is reverse psychology. He calls people in, does demonstrations that fail, and he does this in order to convince people that the technology actually works. Right? Kind of the way he has himself sent to jail to prove he is an honest man. There has to be an easier way to establish credibility. - Jed
