[Vo]:Re: Rydberg Matter and electron orbitals
Entangled and coherent when when applied to a system of stored energy means the same thing. Such a system is a otherwise called a quantum mechanical system and is coupled by various force fields that can allow transmission of energy within and between different parts of the system separated by some finite distance. Is this your understanding of the term “entangled”. It is not clear whether you agree with the opinion you have noted below. I would disagree with the idea of the opinion that: >>That means that all the atoms act in lock step so that the aggregation can be >>considered a superatom. >>For this to be so, all individual atoms are in the same energy state, all >>electrons are synchronized in their orbits, all spins are identical, it can >>be thought of as all members of the >>aggregation are identical twins. I know of no coherent where all electrons are synchronized in their orbits. Some coherent systems may not have any unique electrons, only positrons and anti protons for example. It would be helpful to give some examples of what you are describing. Bob Cook From: Axil Axil Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 11:55 AM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Rydberg Matter and electron orbitals There is an opinion around that says that all atoms that comprise rydberg matter are entangled. In this state, a cluster of N atoms form a lattice in which each member of this aggregation is identical to all the other members of the aggregation. That means that all the atoms act in lock step so that the aggregation can be considered a superatom. For this to be so, all individual atoms are in the same energy state, all electrons are synchronized in their orbits, all spins are identical, it can be thought of as all members of the aggregation are identical twins. On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Bob Cook wrote: One key feature that Higgins has identified is the nature of the outer (way out) electron. He noted that it is planar in nature and the outer electron can exhibit different shapes and angular momentum and interact with nuclei. in the RM to hold it together---a bond. Such bonding suggests a coherent QM system. I would conjecture that if Li were the nuclei that had formed RM that such a loose electron might also interact with other local nuclei, for example H and or Ni in a solid state nano system to form a fairly large coherent system. The low energy changes may resonate with energy changes of nuclei and provide a mechanism for transfer of nuclear energy to the loose electrons of the coherent system. Different RM orbitals may, as Higgins suggests, provide a variety of spin and angular momentum equivalent to phonic (vibrational) energy for the nano system. A large enough system may be able to accept a large amount of nuclear energy that is associated with transmutation or fusion of nuclei. System temperatures with its characteristic spectrum of phonic energy, magnetic fields (either static or variable) and other forms of small energy additions and/or removal, may all be important in establishing energy and angular momentum states within a coherent system to allow a major nuclear transition to occur. It should be noted that the ambient magnetic field acts to establish energy states for the loosely bound electrons and may orient the RM to facilitate coupling of nuclear magnetic states with the electron orbital states. One thought about the dense RM is that the use of lasers may be to actually cool the atoms to remove energy of their electrons. Laser cooling is used to reach very low cryogenic temperatures. The common notion that the Holmlid laser adds energy may be wrong. I am not sure what the experimental data suggests is happening. Holmlid statements would seem to indicate that energy is removed to form his suspected dense H(0) which then reacts to provide the excess energy, muons etc. Bob Cook From: Bob Higgins Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 1:10 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rydberg Matter and electron orbitals In RM of hydrogen, I there is only one electron, and it is in the orbital for that high energy state. Maybe it is considered a Rydberg orbital, where the S orbital would be lower (ground) energy and spherical. I don't know much about RM with other atoms, but I think it is just an outer electron in such a Rydberg orbital and the rest of the electrons are pretty much in their ordinary orbitals as though it were an ion, having lost one electron. The Rydberg electron would be so far away, as far as the rest of the electrons were concerned, it probably seems like it is gone. On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Stephen Cooke wrote: Thanks Bob, That it helps a lot I must admit I have a lot to learn about Rydberg matter. Would these highly excited and Bohr atom like elliptical orbitals still correspond to some kind
Re: [Vo]:Re: Rydberg Matter and electron orbitals
There is an opinion around that says that all atoms that comprise rydberg matter are entangled. In this state, a cluster of N atoms form a lattice in which each member of this aggregation is identical to all the other members of the aggregation. That means that all the atoms act in lock step so that the aggregation can be considered a superatom. For this to be so, all individual atoms are in the same energy state, all electrons are synchronized in their orbits, all spins are identical, it can be thought of as all members of the aggregation are identical twins. On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Bob Cook wrote: > One key feature that Higgins has identified is the nature of the outer > (way out) electron. He noted that it is planar in nature and the outer > electron can exhibit different shapes and angular momentum and interact > with nuclei. in the RM to hold it together---a bond. Such bonding > suggests a coherent QM system. > > I would conjecture that if Li were the nuclei that had formed RM that such > a loose electron might also interact with other local nuclei, for example > H and or Ni in a solid state nano system to form a fairly large coherent > system. The low energy changes may resonate with energy changes of nuclei > and provide a mechanism for transfer of nuclear energy to the loose > electrons of the coherent system. Different RM orbitals may, as Higgins > suggests, provide a variety of spin and angular momentum equivalent to > phonic (vibrational) energy for the nano system. A large enough system may > be able to accept a large amount of nuclear energy that is associated with > transmutation or fusion of nuclei. System temperatures with its > characteristic spectrum of phonic energy, magnetic fields (either static or > variable) and other forms of small energy additions and/or removal, may all > be important in establishing energy and angular momentum states within a > coherent system to allow a major nuclear transition to occur. > > It should be noted that the ambient magnetic field acts to establish > energy states for the loosely bound electrons and may orient the RM to > facilitate coupling of nuclear magnetic states with the electron orbital > states. > > One thought about the dense RM is that the use of lasers may be to > actually cool the atoms to remove energy of their electrons. Laser cooling > is used to reach very low cryogenic temperatures. The common notion that > the Holmlid laser adds energy may be wrong. I am not sure what the > experimental data suggests is happening. Holmlid statements would seem to > indicate that energy is removed to form his suspected dense H(0) which then > reacts to provide the excess energy, muons etc. > > Bob Cook > > *From:* Bob Higgins > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 11, 2016 1:10 PM > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Rydberg Matter and electron orbitals > > In RM of hydrogen, I there is only one electron, and it is in the orbital > for that high energy state. Maybe it is considered a Rydberg orbital, > where the S orbital would be lower (ground) energy and spherical. I don't > know much about RM with other atoms, but I think it is just an outer > electron in such a Rydberg orbital and the rest of the electrons are pretty > much in their ordinary orbitals as though it were an ion, having lost one > electron. The Rydberg electron would be so far away, as far as the rest of > the electrons were concerned, it probably seems like it is gone. > > On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Stephen Cooke > wrote: > >> Thanks Bob, >> >> That it helps a lot I must admit I have a lot to learn about Rydberg >> matter. Would these highly excited and Bohr atom like elliptical orbitals >> still correspond to some kind of quantum mechanical orbital? Perhaps a >> highly excited S orbital or something? Even highly excited P, D, F and G >> orbitals would tend to have more complex shapes I think? I suppose it would >> depend on the orbitals angular momentum. I suppose we might also need to >> consider the spin as well as angular momentum though in the models if >> quantum mechanical models are used. Perhaps at these energies the Bohr >> Model fits better the observed behavior. >> >> >> On 11 mei 2016, at 20:05, Bob Higgins wrote: >> >> Stephen, My understanding is that Rydberg hydrogen is highly excited >> hydrogen - it is just below an energy that the hydrogen would be ionized. >> In fact, small energy inputs to hydrogen in a Rydberg state will ionize >> it. As I understand the orbitals for Rydberg state hydrogen they are huge >> diameter flattened ellipsoids. Because of this, it is not too far off to >> consider it like a Bohr model. In Rydberg Matter (RM), all of the atoms >> have an electron in a large flattened ellipsoid shape which now loops some >> of the other nuclei in the RM to hold it together. RM naturally forms as a >> large planar "snowflake", but can easily be warped in a field gradient. RM >> is well characterized from its rot
[Vo]:Re: Rydberg Matter and electron orbitals
One key feature that Higgins has identified is the nature of the outer (way out) electron. He noted that it is planar in nature and the outer electron can exhibit different shapes and angular momentum and interact with nuclei. in the RM to hold it together---a bond. Such bonding suggests a coherent QM system. I would conjecture that if Li were the nuclei that had formed RM that such a loose electron might also interact with other local nuclei, for example H and or Ni in a solid state nano system to form a fairly large coherent system. The low energy changes may resonate with energy changes of nuclei and provide a mechanism for transfer of nuclear energy to the loose electrons of the coherent system. Different RM orbitals may, as Higgins suggests, provide a variety of spin and angular momentum equivalent to phonic (vibrational) energy for the nano system. A large enough system may be able to accept a large amount of nuclear energy that is associated with transmutation or fusion of nuclei. System temperatures with its characteristic spectrum of phonic energy, magnetic fields (either static or variable) and other forms of small energy additions and/or removal, may all be important in establishing energy and angular momentum states within a coherent system to allow a major nuclear transition to occur. It should be noted that the ambient magnetic field acts to establish energy states for the loosely bound electrons and may orient the RM to facilitate coupling of nuclear magnetic states with the electron orbital states. One thought about the dense RM is that the use of lasers may be to actually cool the atoms to remove energy of their electrons. Laser cooling is used to reach very low cryogenic temperatures. The common notion that the Holmlid laser adds energy may be wrong. I am not sure what the experimental data suggests is happening. Holmlid statements would seem to indicate that energy is removed to form his suspected dense H(0) which then reacts to provide the excess energy, muons etc. Bob Cook From: Bob Higgins Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 1:10 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rydberg Matter and electron orbitals In RM of hydrogen, I there is only one electron, and it is in the orbital for that high energy state. Maybe it is considered a Rydberg orbital, where the S orbital would be lower (ground) energy and spherical. I don't know much about RM with other atoms, but I think it is just an outer electron in such a Rydberg orbital and the rest of the electrons are pretty much in their ordinary orbitals as though it were an ion, having lost one electron. The Rydberg electron would be so far away, as far as the rest of the electrons were concerned, it probably seems like it is gone. On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Stephen Cooke wrote: Thanks Bob, That it helps a lot I must admit I have a lot to learn about Rydberg matter. Would these highly excited and Bohr atom like elliptical orbitals still correspond to some kind of quantum mechanical orbital? Perhaps a highly excited S orbital or something? Even highly excited P, D, F and G orbitals would tend to have more complex shapes I think? I suppose it would depend on the orbitals angular momentum. I suppose we might also need to consider the spin as well as angular momentum though in the models if quantum mechanical models are used. Perhaps at these energies the Bohr Model fits better the observed behavior. On 11 mei 2016, at 20:05, Bob Higgins wrote: Stephen, My understanding is that Rydberg hydrogen is highly excited hydrogen - it is just below an energy that the hydrogen would be ionized. In fact, small energy inputs to hydrogen in a Rydberg state will ionize it. As I understand the orbitals for Rydberg state hydrogen they are huge diameter flattened ellipsoids. Because of this, it is not too far off to consider it like a Bohr model. In Rydberg Matter (RM), all of the atoms have an electron in a large flattened ellipsoid shape which now loops some of the other nuclei in the RM to hold it together. RM naturally forms as a large planar "snowflake", but can easily be warped in a field gradient. RM is well characterized from its rotational spectrum. OTOH, the ultra-dense form is nearly pure imagination at this point, based on very slim data. If an ultra-dense form happens, how could it be formed from high energy matter like RM? Normally the very small is only achieved when substantial energy is removed from the system. On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 10:26 AM, Stephen Cooke wrote: Has anyone looked at RM from the point of view of quantum mechanical electron orbitals? If so could you help me understand some crazy thoughts and questions I have about it ? I understand Rydberg hydrogen matter typically forms from excited hydrogen atoms in some way. Most literature seems to represent the electron orbits in Rydberg H
