[Vo]:Rossi's behavior is more tragic than deceptive
Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: This is more than chaos. He has buried himself. How can anybody believe a word of what he says anymore? As I have said dozens of times: You would have to be _crazy_ to believe a word he says about his business. Just to give one example, he said there was a world-class corporation investing in his company. That turned out to be Ampenergo, which is a start-up with no money as far as I know. You have to understand, Rossi likes to bury himself. He thrives on chaos. Rossi could have hundreds of millions of euros by now if he would only act reasonably. Instead, he gets himself in trouble, breaks contracts, tells people conflicting things, and stirs up trouble for no reason. He would rather make $1 by playing mind games and manipulating people than $100 by conventional, straightforward methods. He is not the only person like this. There are sane people who cannot bring themselves to tell the truth. People such as author James Frey. He did not ship the plant. The plant is not in test by anybody. There is no NI control system hooked to that plant. Who knows what to make of it. I am sure that NI is really working on it. Their VP wrote to Forbes, after all. Or they were working on it . . . Maybe Rossi threw them out. Is there really a customer who will paid $2 million and are OK to have the plant still not delivered or working or hooked to a test system? Is there really a US factory? Is there really a order for 12 more E-Cat plants? Is there really another 1 MW customer? Don't bother asking such questions. He will give you a dozen different conflicting answers. He will say whatever pops into his head. I cannot judge whether this is genuine confabulation in the medical sense, or just someone who enjoys telling tall tales and playing mind games. The reason I say Rossi is not lying in the usual sense is that he makes no effort to cover up or explain away his previous statements. I think he feels the truth does not matter. One day he says he shipped the reactor; the next day he says no, he didn't. Actually it is not anyone's business whether he shipped or not, so he should say that's confidential instead of making stuff up. His behavior is sometimes so bizarre it goes over the edge. Perhaps he is responding to stress. To be blunt, it seems a little crazy. I am no doctor, but it reminds of confabulation, which is something like: Did I tell you I met with the Queen of England the other day . . . [10 minutes later] Did I say the Queen of England? I meant a local drag queen, here in Atlanta [10 more minutes] The neighbor's dog is named Queenie, I see her every morning. That's what I meant. If it is confabulation or something similar, it is not something you should get upset about. You should not poke fun at it either, as Jones Beene has been doing. Whether it is mental illness or not, Rossi's behavior is tragic. More tragic than deceptive, in my opinion. - Jed
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On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Who knows what to make of it. I am sure that NI is really working on it. Their VP wrote to Forbes, after all. Or they were working on it . . . Maybe Rossi threw them out. It would be better to be more precise. The VP of NI wrote a news release of a general nature saying that they assist many companies in fitting control systems to their products including Rossi's. That makes Rossi a customer of NI's and nothing more. And there are millions of those. Nothing about working with NI or what the VP wrote lends the slightest credibility to Rossi's claims.
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Mary, NI is not publishing _such_ a press release on any NI customer (again: Remember the mentioning of CERN / LHC in the same section as Leonardo Corporation). We had this topic here before. Wolf On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Who knows what to make of it. I am sure that NI is really working on it. Their VP wrote to Forbes, after all. Or they were working on it . . . Maybe Rossi threw them out. It would be better to be more precise. The VP of NI wrote a news release of a general nature saying that they assist many companies in fitting control systems to their products including Rossi's. That makes Rossi a customer of NI's and nothing more. And there are millions of those. Nothing about working with NI or what the VP wrote lends the slightest credibility to Rossi's claims.
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Have to agree with Mary on this one. The only NI statement's that I've seen were of a general nature. NI has a lot of customers in the high energy physics world, and other hi-tech environments. I've used they data acquisition modules a number of times (love the LAN-based high resolution DAQ module), and can see why they've been able to get their products into hi-tech areas. I highly doubt that NI would be actively involved, on a daily basis, with Rossi. Perhaps they would send an Applications Engineer to his location to advise them on proper use and configuration of their equipment, but that is all. It is even more unlikely that they would make any kind of endorsement. -Mark From: Mary Yugo [mailto:maryyu...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 11:44 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi's behavior is more tragic than deceptive On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Who knows what to make of it. I am sure that NI is really working on it. Their VP wrote to Forbes, after all. Or they were working on it . . . Maybe Rossi threw them out. It would be better to be more precise. The VP of NI wrote a news release of a general nature saying that they assist many companies in fitting control systems to their products including Rossi's. That makes Rossi a customer of NI's and nothing more. And there are millions of those. Nothing about working with NI or what the VP wrote lends the slightest credibility to Rossi's claims.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi's behavior is more tragic than deceptive
Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Have to agree with Mary on this one… ** ** The only NI statement’s that I’ve seen were of a general nature. NI has a lot of customers in the high energy physics world, and other hi-tech environments. A VP of NI wrote a letter to Forbes confirming the relationship. Yes, NI has millions of customers as Mary Yogo said, but they do not write millions of letters to Forbes. They would only do this for a customer they consider important. If it was just some guy who bought Lab View they would not confirm or deny it, even if he registered his name in the customer database. The people at NI are not fools. They know that Rossi is controversial. They would not confirm the relationship without careful consideration and deep knowledge of what he is doing. - Jed
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Maybe they just got tired of the hundreds, if not thousands of annoying emails and phone calls from Rossi's fans, demanding a detailed accounting of just how great Rossi's invention really is? It isn't at all unusual for a company to release a statement on an issue that is generating more than typical interest. NI made the most insignificant acknowledgement possible (other than Never heard of the guy!). And that was only after Rossi's fans and associates generated considerable hype about the relationship. From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi's behavior is more tragic than deceptive Yes, NI has millions of customers as Mary Yogo said, but they do not write millions of letters to Forbes. They would only do this for a customer they consider important. If it was just some guy who bought Lab View they would not confirm or deny it, even if he registered his name in the customer database. The people at NI are not fools. They know that Rossi is controversial. They would not confirm the relationship without careful consideration and deep knowledge of what he is doing. - Jed
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All I can find is this: There are thousands of researchers and engineers in the world trying to solve alternative energy challenges and National Instruments provides tools to many of these scientists. One example is the Leonardo Corporation who intends to use NI tools for various applications. Specific details are still in development. That says Rossi intends to eventually become a NI customer. So NI hasn't even confirmed a business relation - much less any knowledge of what Rossi is doing, let alone deep knowledge. Von: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 21:29 Donnerstag, 19.Januar 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Rossi's behavior is more tragic than deceptive Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Have to agree with Mary on this one… The only NI statement’s that I’ve seen were of a general nature. NI has a lot of customers in the high energy physics world, and other hi-tech environments. A VP of NI wrote a letter to Forbes confirming the relationship. Yes, NI has millions of customers as Mary Yogo said, but they do not write millions of letters to Forbes. They would only do this for a customer they consider important. If it was just some guy who bought Lab View they would not confirm or deny it, even if he registered his name in the customer database. The people at NI are not fools. They know that Rossi is controversial. They would not confirm the relationship without careful consideration and deep knowledge of what he is doing. - Jed
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As long as Rossi pays for NI's hardware and software they are probably satisfied and don't mind the free advertising. They do not require a deep knowledge of what he is doing or even if his reactor works or not. On Thursday, January 19, 2012, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Have to agree with Mary on this one… The only NI statement’s that I’ve seen were of a general nature. NI has a lot of customers in the high energy physics world, and other hi-tech environments. A VP of NI wrote a letter to Forbes confirming the relationship. Yes, NI has millions of customers as Mary Yogo said, but they do not write millions of letters to Forbes. They would only do this for a customer they consider important. If it was just some guy who bought Lab View they would not confirm or deny it, even if he registered his name in the customer database. The people at NI are not fools. They know that Rossi is controversial. They would not confirm the relationship without careful consideration and deep knowledge of what he is doing. - Jed
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Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: As long as Rossi pays for NI's hardware and software they are probably satisfied and don't mind the free advertising. This would be the worst advertising imaginable!!! What corporation wants to be associated with Rossi? Do a Google search and you find hundreds of attacks against him. Check his background and you find it is dripping in scandal. This is NOT good PR for NI. Not, not, *not*. If I were them, I would not respond to Forbes, or I would say we can't comment on whether we are in a relationship with this company. They do not require a deep knowledge of what he is doing or even if his reactor works or not. If they do not have deep knowledge they are crazy to let themselves be associated it. John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com wrote: Maybe they just got tired of the hundreds, if not thousands of annoying emails and phone calls from Rossi's fans, demanding a detailed accounting of just how great Rossi's invention really is? In that case, all they have to do is issue a statement saying no comment. Or, as I said, we never talk about customer relationships of this nature. A company that is annoyed will deny everything and make no more comments. The lady in charge of PR at the company issued a statement about Rossi. So did a VP of development. Believe me, NI is aware of this at highest levels. As Mary Yugo pointed out, they have millions of customers. The VP does not know them all by name, and will not make statements about 999,900 of these customers. It isn't at all unusual for a company to release a statement on an issue that is generating more than typical interest. It is unusual for any company anywhere to make any statement pertaining to cold fusion. *Extremely* unusual! NI made the most insignificant acknowledgement possible . . . Nonsense. I can think up any number of less significant acknowledgement, starting with no comment. - Jed
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Very good points Jed. Man - this has been the most fascinating day on Vortex in quite some time. On 01/19/2012 04:46 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com mailto:cheme...@gmail.com wrote: As long as Rossi pays for NI's hardware and software they are probably satisfied and don't mind the free advertising. This would be the worst advertising imaginable!!! What corporation wants to be associated with Rossi? Do a Google search and you find hundreds of attacks against him. Check his background and you find it is dripping in scandal. This is NOT good PR for NI. Not, not, _not_. If I were them, I would not respond to Forbes, or I would say we can't comment on whether we are in a relationship with this company. They do not require a deep knowledge of what he is doing or even if his reactor works or not. If they do not have deep knowledge they are crazy to let themselves be associated it. John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com mailto:john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com wrote: Maybe they just got tired of the hundreds, if not thousands of annoying emails and phone calls from Rossi's fans, demanding a detailed accounting of just how great Rossi's invention really is? In that case, all they have to do is issue a statement saying no comment. Or, as I said, we never talk about customer relationships of this nature. A company that is annoyed will deny everything and make no more comments. The lady in charge of PR at the company issued a statement about Rossi. So did a VP of development. Believe me, NI is aware of this at highest levels. As Mary Yugo pointed out, they have millions of customers. The VP does not know them all by name, and will not make statements about 999,900 of these customers. It isn't at all unusual for a company to release a statement on an issue that is generating more than typical interest. It is unusual for any company anywhere to make any statement pertaining to cold fusion. _Extremely_ unusual! NI made the most insignificant acknowledgement possible . . . Nonsense. I can think up any number of less significant acknowledgement, starting with no comment. - Jed
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Jed, Great statement! And (just to point this one out again): The cherry on the pie in the press release is the mentioning of CERN / LHC in the sentence prior to the one about Leonardo Corporation / Rossi. Wolf Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com mailto:cheme...@gmail.com wrote: As long as Rossi pays for NI's hardware and software they are probably satisfied and don't mind the free advertising. This would be the worst advertising imaginable!!! What corporation wants to be associated with Rossi? Do a Google search and you find hundreds of attacks against him. Check his background and you find it is dripping in scandal. This is NOT good PR for NI. Not, not, _not_. If I were them, I would not respond to Forbes, or I would say we can't comment on whether we are in a relationship with this company. They do not require a deep knowledge of what he is doing or even if his reactor works or not. If they do not have deep knowledge they are crazy to let themselves be associated it. John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com mailto:john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com wrote: Maybe they just got tired of the hundreds, if not thousands of annoying emails and phone calls from Rossi's fans, demanding a detailed accounting of just how great Rossi's invention really is? In that case, all they have to do is issue a statement saying no comment. Or, as I said, we never talk about customer relationships of this nature. A company that is annoyed will deny everything and make no more comments. The lady in charge of PR at the company issued a statement about Rossi. So did a VP of development. Believe me, NI is aware of this at highest levels. As Mary Yugo pointed out, they have millions of customers. The VP does not know them all by name, and will not make statements about 999,900 of these customers. It isn't at all unusual for a company to release a statement on an issue that is generating more than typical interest. It is unusual for any company anywhere to make any statement pertaining to cold fusion. _Extremely_ unusual! NI made the most insignificant acknowledgement possible . . . Nonsense. I can think up any number of less significant acknowledgement, starting with no comment. - Jed
[Vo]:Rossi's behavior is more tragic than deceptive
Jed, I respect your unwavering support for Rossi but I totally disagree that using a NI control system lends any great credibilty to him. NI will sell system hardware and software to anyone that will pay, you can order online. I worked many years installing large industrial control systems for a company 30 times larger than NI and we had many customers that we just delivered harware and software to and they configured and programmed their own systems. If Rossi's system actually works it is good press for NI. if it doesn't I don't think anyone will blame Ni since they are a respectable company with thousands of satisfied customers.. I programmed many control systems where the customer retained the deep knowledge of what was going on inside their reactor vessels and we just programmed tuned the pressure, temperature and flow control loops and interlocks, etc. Each e-cat only has 3 or 4 control loops that i see which is a simple system. You are making a big deal about nothing. Rossi has obviously spent alot of time and somebody's money building that 1MW e-cat. As far as i can tell he has been working on that one unit since at least last september so at this rate he is going to fall way behind his production targets... On Thursday, January 19, 2012, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: As long as Rossi pays for NI's hardware and software they are probably satisfied and don't mind the free advertising. This would be the worst advertising imaginable!!! What corporation wants to be associated with Rossi? Do a Google search and you find hundreds of attacks against him. Check his background and you find it is dripping in scandal. This is NOT good PR for NI. Not, not, not. If I were them, I would not respond to Forbes, or I would say we can't comment on whether we are in a relationship with this company. They do not require a deep knowledge of what he is doing or even if his reactor works or not. If they do not have deep knowledge they are crazy to let themselves be associated it. John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com wrote: Maybe they just got tired of the hundreds, if not thousands of annoying emails and phone calls from Rossi's fans, demanding a detailed accounting of just how great Rossi's invention really is? In that case, all they have to do is issue a statement saying no comment. Or, as I said, we never talk about customer relationships of this nature. A company that is annoyed will deny everything and make no more comments. The lady in charge of PR at the company issued a statement about Rossi. So did a VP of development. Believe me, NI is aware of this at highest levels. As Mary Yugo pointed out, they have millions of customers. The VP does not know them all by name, and will not make statements about 999,900 of these customers. It isn't at all unusual for a company to release a statement on an issue that is generating more than typical interest. It is unusual for any company anywhere to make any statement pertaining to cold fusion. Extremely unusual! NI made the most insignificant acknowledgement possible . . . Nonsense. I can think up any number of less significant acknowledgement, starting with no comment. - Jed
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Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: I respect your unwavering support for Rossi . . . If this is unwavering support what could I say to insult him?!? Your statement is absurd. but I totally disagree that using a NI control system lends any great credibilty to him. NI will sell system hardware and software to anyone that will pay, you can order online. Yes. And when you pay online, does the head of PR and a VP development write to a leading business magazine informing them of your purchase? They must be busy. - Jed
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National Instruments did not initiate a press release. Check the original source at: http://pesn.com/2011/11/10/9601953_National_Instruments_signs_to_do_E-Cat_controls/ Enquiries to National Instruments from the likes of Sterling Allen prompted their press release (upon Rossi's approval/request). They had no intention of releasing their own press release until they were prompted to. Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 23:45:58 -0500 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi's behavior is more tragic than deceptive From: jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: I respect your unwavering support for Rossi . . . If this is unwavering support what could I say to insult him?!? Your statement is absurd. but I totally disagree that using a NI control system lends any great credibilty to him. NI will sell system hardware and software to anyone that will pay, you can order online. Yes. And when you pay online, does the head of PR and a VP development write to a leading business magazine informing them of your purchase? They must be busy. - Jed
