[Vo]:Rossi-September- Was Power continuously monitored?
Hello, I had a thought about the self sustained Mode: If the power was not continuously monitored, then Rossi could have a remote switch in his pocket or elsewhere. The italian grid and the plug can supply 16 Amps @230V. This are 3.68 kW. If he activates the switch always when nobody is looking to the powermeter and if this makes 50% of time then this makes 1.84 kW and together with errors in temperature measurement this could make up the energy observed. Peter
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peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: If the power was not continuously monitored, then Rossi could have a remote switch in his pocket or elsewhere. The italian grid and the plug can supply 16 Amps @230V. This are 3.68 kW. If he activates the switch always when nobody is looking to the powermeter and if this makes 50% of time . . . This is highly unlikely for several reasons: The anomalous power greatly exceeded the total power that you can input with the joule heaters. There was anomalous heat when the heaters were turned on, which produced considerably more heat than the heaters alone delivered. In previous tests the power has been monitored consistently and these tests also produced excess heat. This method would produce easily detected waves of heat. Rossi would have to watch the power meters the whole time to make sure no one approached them. Someone would notice that he is doing that. - Jed
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Am 27.10.2011 15:52, schrieb Jed Rothwell: peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: If the power was not continuously monitored, then Rossi could have a remote switch in his pocket or elsewhere. The italian grid and the plug can supply 16 Amps @230V. This are 3.68 kW. If he activates the switch always when nobody is looking to the powermeter and if this makes 50% of time . . . This is highly unlikely for several reasons: The anomalous power greatly exceeded the total power that you can input with the joule heaters. There can be a secret heater. These are available here in small size with amazing power: http://www.rotfil.com/public/downloads/PDF-CAR-017-E.pdf Also note, the official current rating of the italian grid is 16A. Depending from the fuse, the current can be much higher for short periods of time. This is not a problem, if all cables and plugs are new and high quality then there is a very high security margin. There was anomalous heat when the heaters were turned on, which produced considerably more heat than the heaters alone delivered. This is easily explained with errors in temperature measurement or/and with a secret additional heater. In previous tests the power has been monitored consistently and these tests also produced excess heat. In which tests? At least during the Essen Kullander test it was only spotted at, but not automatically logged. The better multimeters have a recording possibility. It should be recorded and timestamped. This method would produce easily detected waves of heat. No. the temperature inside the e-cat would not change, only the amount of boiling. Also I think the thermal time constant should be rather large, more than some 10 minutes. Rossi would have to watch the power meters the whole time to make sure no one approached them. Someone would notice that he is doing that. No, if a trained person does this, nobody would notice. Think what magicians can do. Also he can use an automated person distance detection system or both in combination or another person does it. He could have the switchbutton in his shoe, for example. If somebody sees something unusual, this can be explained by the new high frequency device. Rossi always finds an explanation he is trained for 40 years or more. Peter
Re: [Vo]:Rossi-September- Was Power continuously monitored?
Hi, On 27-10-2011 17:35, Peter Heckert wrote: No, if a trained person does this, nobody would notice. Think what magicians can do. So now you think Rossi is an illusionist a-la David Copperfield or someone else who is attending ? Do you really think that this fits with Rossi's flamboyant behaviour ? Also he can use an automated person distance detection system or both in combination or another person does it. Do you really believe this would work FLAWLESS in the environment Rossi has created ? He could have the switchbutton in his shoe, for example. Don't you think this sounds like kinda James Bond gadgets in Italian shoes ? Then you can obviously also tell us who might be Rossi's Q or not ? If somebody sees something unusual, this can be explained by the new high frequency device. Rossi always finds an explanation he is trained for 40 years or more. Yes, Rossi is an amazing engineer with a lot of capabilities but it seems to me he is not (and looks like he does not want to be) sufficiently trained or experienced in the area of social-engineering skills, and do you truly believe that 40 years of training is sufficient to provide an acceptable explanation for any anomaly occurring ? Aren't you looking for conventional answers to explain a Phenomenon that in reality might be like it is Science Jim but not as we know it ? Don't you think it's time to think outside the box and free your mind ? Kind regards, MoB
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Am 27.10.2011 20:33, schrieb Man on Bridges: Hi, On 27-10-2011 17:35, Peter Heckert wrote: No, if a trained person does this, nobody would notice. Think what magicians can do. So now you think Rossi is an illusionist a-la David Copperfield or someone else who is attending ? Do you really think that this fits with Rossi's flamboyant behaviour ? Don't you think it's time to think outside the box and free your mind ? If it works or not does not depend from my mind. My mind is free enough to consider and evaluate all possibilities. I predicted the september demonstration correctly before it happened. If you scan this list, you will find my prediction: I bet with two persons. With number won I bet it works and with number two I bet it doesnt work and at the end both will want their money. I knew this before. At the beginning Rossi promised a conclusive test at bologna university. But he finally delivered a test good enough for unbiased people. This this not enough. He must deliver a test good enough for biased people. There are no unbiased people. Unbiased people are complete idiots that know nothing. Anybody else is biased in this or in the other direction. Rossis engineering abilities are obviously not good enough to do this what any plumber master could have done easily. Or he abuses his abilities to fool us. This is what I think. From the previous demonstrations I got the impression he is great in designing systems that nobody is able to measure. If he has some kilowatt to show then he could have done this in january. So, from the psychology of this all and the persons I come to the conclusion this all is mocked up. However my mind is free enough to be happy when I am proven false again all my expectations. Best, Peter
Re: [Vo]:Rossi-September- Was Power continuously monitored?
Peter Heckert wrote: The anomalous power greatly exceeded the total power that you can input with the joule heaters. There can be a secret heater. No, there could not be. The wire going into the reactor is not heavy enough to support the anomalous power that was produced. It would have burned up. There was no other wire. People lifted the reactor off the table and put it on a weight scale. They would have noticed a wire. Also, previous devices have been completely disassembled by experts. They saw no sign of heaters batteries or chemical fuel. I think you should put aside this fantasy. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi-September- Was Power continuously monitored?
Am 27.10.2011 20:55, schrieb Jed Rothwell: Peter Heckert wrote: The anomalous power greatly exceeded the total power that you can input with the joule heaters. There can be a secret heater. No, there could not be. The wire going into the reactor is not heavy enough to support the anomalous power that was produced. It would have burned up. No, it would not burn up. This cable lies free on the floor and in ambient air. Lets say it has a temperature 5 degrees above ambient under full load. It is probably designed this way that it works safely under worst case conditions and 70° ambient temperatue for infinite time. If it conducts 2 times the maximum rating current then it has 20° over ambient after some hours but less after a shorter time. Nobody would notice this under this circumstances and it will still be perfectly safe.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi-September- Was Power continuously monitored?
Hi, On 27-10-2011 21:04, Peter Heckert wrote: Am 27.10.2011 20:55, schrieb Jed Rothwell: Peter Heckert wrote: The anomalous power greatly exceeded the total power that you can input with the joule heaters. There can be a secret heater. No, there could not be. The wire going into the reactor is not heavy enough to support the anomalous power that was produced. It would have burned up. No, it would not burn up. This cable lies free on the floor and in ambient air. Lets say it has a temperature 5 degrees above ambient under full load. It is probably designed this way that it works safely under worst case conditions and 70° ambient temperatue for infinite time. If it conducts 2 times the maximum rating current then it has 20° over ambient after some hours but less after a shorter time. Nobody would notice this under this circumstances and it will still be perfectly safe. WRONG! Have you ever seen what happens to a certified extension cord which is used for twice or more the current for a longer period? Well it becomes hot, and the neoprene around it will finally melt and what happens, is that the Live and Neutral wire will create a short-circuit with sparks and you think no-one will notice this? Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Rossi-September- Was Power continuously monitored?
Peter Heckert wrote: No, it would not burn up. This cable lies free on the floor and in ambient air. In your dreams. But okay suppose that is true. How do you explain the fact that when there was power going in and when people were looking at the meter, after anomalous power began, more power was coming out than was going in. It was hotter than it had been with electric power only before that. There was only 1 wire, and it was metered. Never mind. I am sure you will wave your hands and come up with some contrived explanation. A pathological skeptic is someone who will believe any number of impossible things rather than the obvious, indisputable truth. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi-September- Was Power continuously monitored?
Am 27.10.2011 21:25, schrieb Man on Bridges: Hi, On 27-10-2011 21:04, Peter Heckert wrote: Am 27.10.2011 20:55, schrieb Jed Rothwell: Peter Heckert wrote: The anomalous power greatly exceeded the total power that you can input with the joule heaters. There can be a secret heater. No, there could not be. The wire going into the reactor is not heavy enough to support the anomalous power that was produced. It would have burned up. No, it would not burn up. This cable lies free on the floor and in ambient air. Lets say it has a temperature 5 degrees above ambient under full load. It is probably designed this way that it works safely under worst case conditions and 70° ambient temperatue for infinite time. If it conducts 2 times the maximum rating current then it has 20° over ambient after some hours but less after a shorter time. Nobody would notice this under this circumstances and it will still be perfectly safe. WRONG! Have you ever seen what happens to a certified extension cord which is used for twice or more the current for a longer period? Well it becomes hot, and the neoprene around it will finally melt and what happens, is that the Live and Neutral wire will create a short-circuit with sparks and you think no-one will notice this? This can happen if it is partially broken. If it is new not. The temperature above ambient is proportional to the squared current. Now put a cable under maximum load and measure the overtemperature. Then you can calculate the current where the isolation melts if you know the melting point. Of course if it is broken it will start to burn there and earlier.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi-September- Was Power continuously monitored?
This chart gives the fusing (melting) current for different sized copper wires: http://www.interfacebus.com/Copper_Wire_AWG_SIze.html T
