Re: [Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-07 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Sounds like the DOE is getting involved

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/us-energy-chief-offers-japan-aid-nuke-cleanup-20737047


On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 10:46 AM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote:

 David Suzuki issues ominous warning for damaged Fukushima plant


 http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-buzz/david-suzuki-issues-ominous-warning-damaged-fukushima-plant-195522191.html

 David Suzuki has issued an ominous warning about the state of Fukushima's
 nuclear power plant.

 Fukushima is the most terrifying situation I can imagine, the
 environmental activist and host of the Nature of Things said last week at
 the University of Alberta's symposium Letting in the Light: Science to
 Guide Public Water Policy in the 21st Century.

 Three out of the four plants were destroyed in the earthquake and in the
 tsunami. The fourth one has been so badly damaged that the fear is, if
 there's another earthquake of a seven or above that, that building will go
 and then all hell breaks loose. And the probably of a seven or above
 earthquake in the next three years is over 95 per cent, Suzuki said.

 He added that a recent study found another earthquake could require
 evacuation of the entire North American coast — and as for Japan — bye
 bye, Suzuki said.





Re: [Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-07 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/radiation-japan-nuclear-plant-arrives-alaska-coast-145848911.html

I live on the west coast.  Joy.


On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 2:44 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote:

 Sounds like the DOE is getting involved


 http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/us-energy-chief-offers-japan-aid-nuke-cleanup-20737047


 On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 10:46 AM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote:

 David Suzuki issues ominous warning for damaged Fukushima plant


 http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-buzz/david-suzuki-issues-ominous-warning-damaged-fukushima-plant-195522191.html

 David Suzuki has issued an ominous warning about the state of Fukushima's
 nuclear power plant.

 Fukushima is the most terrifying situation I can imagine, the
 environmental activist and host of the Nature of Things said last week at
 the University of Alberta's symposium Letting in the Light: Science to
 Guide Public Water Policy in the 21st Century.

 Three out of the four plants were destroyed in the earthquake and in the
 tsunami. The fourth one has been so badly damaged that the fear is, if
 there's another earthquake of a seven or above that, that building will go
 and then all hell breaks loose. And the probably of a seven or above
 earthquake in the next three years is over 95 per cent, Suzuki said.

 He added that a recent study found another earthquake could require
 evacuation of the entire North American coast — and as for Japan — bye
 bye, Suzuki said.






Re: [Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
This is silly. The fourth reactor is not badly damaged. The fuel rods will
be removed from it soon. Even if another earthquake of the same magnitude
occurs the building will not collapse. The reactor buildings were not
seriously damaged by earthquake itself. Even if they had been at epicenter,
if they had not been running, they would not have been seriously damaged.
The major damage was caused by a chain of events:

The earthquake triggered a tsunami.

The tsunami destroyed the auxiliary generators and generator fuel supplies.

After the reactor SCRAM the reactor cores could not be kept cool.

The hot reactor cores melted down, bringing the rods closer together, and
intensifying the heat.

The intense heat fractured the water into free hydrogen and oxygen. The
recombination explosion destroyed the plant buildings.

So, if the reactors had not been running there would be no disaster. Or, if
the auxiliary generators and fuel supplies had been protected from the
tsunami, which would not have been difficult. Or, if someone had noticed
the generator early in the crisis ran out of fuel at night. (It is
understandable that they did not notice, given the chaos and danger.) A
long chain of unfortunate events caused this disaster. Any one of them
might have been prevented. The same is true of many other major disasters,
such as the Titanic and the crash of the DC-10 in June 1972. (See the book
Destination Disaster.)

Furthermore, the notion that we would have to evacuate all of Japan or the
U.S. West Coast is preposterous. The effects of the Fukushima disaster are
bad enough already. We don't need this kind of hysteria making them seem
even worse than they are.

- Jed


Re: [Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-07 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Another tsunami could come up and dredge all that out to the ocean and
currents will drag it over to the west coast of NA.

Tsnuami is a japanese word for a reason.

On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 6:45 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 This is silly. The fourth reactor is not badly damaged. The fuel rods will
 be removed from it soon. Even if another earthquake of the same magnitude
 occurs the building will not collapse. The reactor buildings were not
 seriously damaged by earthquake itself. Even if they had been at epicenter,
 if they had not been running, they would not have been seriously damaged.
 The major damage was caused by a chain of events:

 The earthquake triggered a tsunami.

 The tsunami destroyed the auxiliary generators and generator fuel supplies.

 After the reactor SCRAM the reactor cores could not be kept cool.

 The hot reactor cores melted down, bringing the rods closer together, and
 intensifying the heat.

 The intense heat fractured the water into free hydrogen and oxygen. The
 recombination explosion destroyed the plant buildings.

 So, if the reactors had not been running there would be no disaster. Or,
 if the auxiliary generators and fuel supplies had been protected from the
 tsunami, which would not have been difficult. Or, if someone had noticed
 the generator early in the crisis ran out of fuel at night. (It is
 understandable that they did not notice, given the chaos and danger.) A
 long chain of unfortunate events caused this disaster. Any one of them
 might have been prevented. The same is true of many other major disasters,
 such as the Titanic and the crash of the DC-10 in June 1972. (See the book
 Destination Disaster.)

 Furthermore, the notion that we would have to evacuate all of Japan or the
 U.S. West Coast is preposterous. The effects of the Fukushima disaster are
 bad enough already. We don't need this kind of hysteria making them seem
 even worse than they are.

 - Jed




Re: [Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
Jed,

There will always be a series of events that lead up to any/all disasters
of this sort.  The fact is we have had at least 3 major nuclear incidents
in 35 years, that is once every approx. 12 years.  Expect another one
within the same period.

So, if the reactors had not been running there would be no disaster

Idle, loaded reactors, and spent fuel pools still require continuous
cooling water.

Stewart




On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 This is silly. The fourth reactor is not badly damaged. The fuel rods will
 be removed from it soon. Even if another earthquake of the same magnitude
 occurs the building will not collapse. The reactor buildings were not
 seriously damaged by earthquake itself. Even if they had been at epicenter,
 if they had not been running, they would not have been seriously damaged.
 The major damage was caused by a chain of events:

 The earthquake triggered a tsunami.

 The tsunami destroyed the auxiliary generators and generator fuel supplies.

 After the reactor SCRAM the reactor cores could not be kept cool.

 The hot reactor cores melted down, bringing the rods closer together, and
 intensifying the heat.

 The intense heat fractured the water into free hydrogen and oxygen. The
 recombination explosion destroyed the plant buildings.

 So, if the reactors had not been running there would be no disaster. Or,
 if the auxiliary generators and fuel supplies had been protected from the
 tsunami, which would not have been difficult. Or, if someone had noticed
 the generator early in the crisis ran out of fuel at night. (It is
 understandable that they did not notice, given the chaos and danger.) A
 long chain of unfortunate events caused this disaster. Any one of them
 might have been prevented. The same is true of many other major disasters,
 such as the Titanic and the crash of the DC-10 in June 1972. (See the book
 Destination Disaster.)

 Furthermore, the notion that we would have to evacuate all of Japan or the
 U.S. West Coast is preposterous. The effects of the Fukushima disaster are
 bad enough already. We don't need this kind of hysteria making them seem
 even worse than they are.

 - Jed




Re: [Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-07 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Yeah, and the Japanese are amongst the most safety conscious, technically
advanced, and nuclear sophisticated cultures in the entire world.

The fact that they were so unready for this does not bode well for the rest
of the world.


On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 7:00 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:

 Jed,

 There will always be a series of events that lead up to any/all disasters
 of this sort.  The fact is we have had at least 3 major nuclear incidents
 in 35 years, that is once every approx. 12 years.  Expect another one
 within the same period.

 So, if the reactors had not been running there would be no disaster

 Idle, loaded reactors, and spent fuel pools still require continuous
 cooling water.

 Stewart




 On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:

 This is silly. The fourth reactor is not badly damaged. The fuel rods
 will be removed from it soon. Even if another earthquake of the same
 magnitude occurs the building will not collapse. The reactor buildings were
 not seriously damaged by earthquake itself. Even if they had been at
 epicenter, if they had not been running, they would not have been seriously
 damaged. The major damage was caused by a chain of events:

 The earthquake triggered a tsunami.

 The tsunami destroyed the auxiliary generators and generator fuel
 supplies.

 After the reactor SCRAM the reactor cores could not be kept cool.

 The hot reactor cores melted down, bringing the rods closer together, and
 intensifying the heat.

 The intense heat fractured the water into free hydrogen and oxygen. The
 recombination explosion destroyed the plant buildings.

 So, if the reactors had not been running there would be no disaster. Or,
 if the auxiliary generators and fuel supplies had been protected from the
 tsunami, which would not have been difficult. Or, if someone had noticed
 the generator early in the crisis ran out of fuel at night. (It is
 understandable that they did not notice, given the chaos and danger.) A
 long chain of unfortunate events caused this disaster. Any one of them
 might have been prevented. The same is true of many other major disasters,
 such as the Titanic and the crash of the DC-10 in June 1972. (See the book
 Destination Disaster.)

 Furthermore, the notion that we would have to evacuate all of Japan or
 the U.S. West Coast is preposterous. The effects of the Fukushima disaster
 are bad enough already. We don't need this kind of hysteria making them
 seem even worse than they are.

 - Jed





Re: [Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:

Another tsunami could come up and dredge all that out to the ocean and
 currents will drag it over to the west coast of NA.


No, that is not possible. A tsunami does not dredge the ocean. You can see
what it does in the many videos taken of the disaster. A wave, by
definition, does not drag on the bottom of the ocean, or disturb it. The
water moves up, and then down. There is no back-and-forth motion in a wave.
If it did drag, the energy from the wave would soon be dissipated and the
wave would vanish. The energy is released when the wave reaches a shallow.
That is why the wave then stops moving, rather than crossing the entire
continent.

Even if the radioactive debris in the shallows is moved by the passing
wave, it would fall right back to the bottom again. Or it would be washed
ashore, I suppose. It is not going to be transported to the West Coast of
North America. Some floating debris did reach the West Coast. If
radioactive debris floats, it would be everywhere in the ocean already.



 Tsunami is a japanese word for a reason.


Yes. The reason is that the older English word, tidal wave, is
technically inaccurate. It has nothing to do with the tide.

The Japanese word is 津波. The first character means port, harbor. The
second is wave. In other words, a wave that reaches into the harbor or
anchorage.

- Jed


Re: [Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:


 So, if the reactors had not been running there would be no disaster

 Idle, loaded reactors, and spent fuel pools still require continuous
 cooling water.


There was no disaster in the fourth reactor. Therefore, the cooling
capacity was sufficient, even though it was greatly reduced. (Some of the
emergency cooling systems survived the tsunami.) The cooling pool needs
much less cooling capacity than a reactor core right after a SCRAM.

- Jed


Re: [Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote:


 There was no disaster in the fourth reactor.


In fact, TEPCO was planning to restart the fourth reactor, until the Prime
Minister and the press heard about it. This was before the government
decided to shut down nearly every nuke in Japan.

- Jed


Re: [Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-07 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
 A tsunami does not dredge the ocean.

Ahh, ok.   Who are you talking to, btw?




On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:

 Another tsunami could come up and dredge all that out to the ocean and
 currents will drag it over to the west coast of NA.


 No, that is not possible. A tsunami does not dredge the ocean. You can see
 what it does in the many videos taken of the disaster. A wave, by
 definition, does not drag on the bottom of the ocean, or disturb it. The
 water moves up, and then down. There is no back-and-forth motion in a wave.
 If it did drag, the energy from the wave would soon be dissipated and the
 wave would vanish. The energy is released when the wave reaches a shallow.
 That is why the wave then stops moving, rather than crossing the entire
 continent.

 Even if the radioactive debris in the shallows is moved by the passing
 wave, it would fall right back to the bottom again. Or it would be washed
 ashore, I suppose. It is not going to be transported to the West Coast of
 North America. Some floating debris did reach the West Coast. If
 radioactive debris floats, it would be everywhere in the ocean already.



 Tsunami is a japanese word for a reason.


 Yes. The reason is that the older English word, tidal wave, is
 technically inaccurate. It has nothing to do with the tide.

 The Japanese word is 津波. The first character means port, harbor. The
 second is wave. In other words, a wave that reaches into the harbor or
 anchorage.

 - Jed




RE: [Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-07 Thread Jones Beene
 

Blaze Spinnaker wrote:

 

Another tsunami could come up and dredge all that out to the ocean and currents 
will drag it over to the west coast of NA.

 

 

What the West Coast should be terrified of … in terms of a potential nuclear 
catastrophe - has nothing to do with Japan. 

 

http://rt.com/usa/san-onofre-plant-california-129/

 

“The San Onofre facility was opened in the late 1960s and has been upgraded 
since then, although not without incident. Engineers at the Bechtel Group Inc. 
of San Francisco installed a 420-ton nuclear reactor vessel at the facility in 
1977, only to be publically humiliated when it was realized that the plant was 
constructed backwards.”

 

This facility has been refueled perhaps 10 times by now. How much spent fuel is 
really onsite? They claim 3500 spent fuel assemblies which usually weigh about 
1000 pounds each. That would be more than Fukushima, no? 

 

 



Re: [Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-07 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
There was no disaster in the fourth reactor.

You should update the Wikipedia with your knowledge here.  They're working
under a different set of assumptions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster

On 15 March, an explosion damaged the fourth floor rooftop area of unit 4.
Japan's nuclear safety http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_safety agency
NISA reported two large holes in a wall of the outer building of unit 4
after the explosion. It was reported that water in the spent fuel pool
might be boiling. Radiation inside the unit 4 control room prevented
workers from staying there permanently..In October 2012, the former
Japanese Ambassador to both Switzerland and Senegal Mitsuhei Murata said
that ground under Fukushima unit 4 was sinking, and the structure may
collapse.[103]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster#cite_note-103
[104]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster#cite_note-104





On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:


 So, if the reactors had not been running there would be no disaster

 Idle, loaded reactors, and spent fuel pools still require continuous
 cooling water.


 There was no disaster in the fourth reactor. Therefore, the cooling
 capacity was sufficient, even though it was greatly reduced. (Some of the
 emergency cooling systems survived the tsunami.) The cooling pool needs
 much less cooling capacity than a reactor core right after a SCRAM.

 - Jed




Re: [Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
Right,

But they still need water.  Good thing they had an ocean close by to hide
their sins.


On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:


 So, if the reactors had not been running there would be no disaster

 Idle, loaded reactors, and spent fuel pools still require continuous
 cooling water.


 There was no disaster in the fourth reactor. Therefore, the cooling
 capacity was sufficient, even though it was greatly reduced. (Some of the
 emergency cooling systems survived the tsunami.) The cooling pool needs
 much less cooling capacity than a reactor core right after a SCRAM.

 - Jed




Re: [Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-07 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
“The San Onofre facility was opened in the late 1960s and has been upgraded
since then, although not without incident. Engineers at the Bechtel Group
Inc. of San Francisco installed a 420-ton nuclear reactor vessel at the
facility in 1977, only to be publically humiliated when it was realized
that the plant was constructed backwards.”

Yeah, don't they have bad earthquakes out there too?


On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:



 Blaze Spinnaker wrote:



  Another tsunami could come up and dredge all that out to the ocean and
 currents will drag it over to the west coast of NA.





 What the West Coast should be terrified of … in terms of a potential
 nuclear catastrophe - has nothing to do with Japan.



 http://rt.com/usa/san-onofre-plant-california-129/



 “The San Onofre facility was opened in the late 1960s and has been
 upgraded since then, although not without incident. Engineers at the
 Bechtel Group Inc. of San Francisco installed a 420-ton nuclear reactor
 vessel at the facility in 1977, only to be publically humiliated when it
 was realized that the plant was constructed backwards.”



 This facility has been refueled perhaps 10 times by now. How much spent
 fuel is really onsite? They claim 3500 spent fuel assemblies which usually
 weigh about 1000 pounds each. That would be more than Fukushima, no?







Re: [Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-07 Thread James Bowery
Speaking of which, what would actually happen if they just dumped all the
waste into the ocean?  I mean what do the _numbers_ look like?  The ocean
is _very_ big.


On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:19 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:

 Right,

 But they still need water.  Good thing they had an ocean close by to hide
 their sins.


 On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:

 ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:


 So, if the reactors had not been running there would be no disaster

 Idle, loaded reactors, and spent fuel pools still require continuous
 cooling water.


 There was no disaster in the fourth reactor. Therefore, the cooling
 capacity was sufficient, even though it was greatly reduced. (Some of the
 emergency cooling systems survived the tsunami.) The cooling pool needs
 much less cooling capacity than a reactor core right after a SCRAM.

 - Jed





Re: [Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
We need to ask the Tuna


On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:35 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:

 Speaking of which, what would actually happen if they just dumped all the
 waste into the ocean?  I mean what do the _numbers_ look like?  The ocean
 is _very_ big.


 On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:19 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:

 Right,

 But they still need water.  Good thing they had an ocean close by to hide
 their sins.


 On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:

 ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:


 So, if the reactors had not been running there would be no disaster

 Idle, loaded reactors, and spent fuel pools still require continuous
 cooling water.


 There was no disaster in the fourth reactor. Therefore, the cooling
 capacity was sufficient, even though it was greatly reduced. (Some of the
 emergency cooling systems survived the tsunami.) The cooling pool needs
 much less cooling capacity than a reactor core right after a SCRAM.

 - Jed






Re: [Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-07 Thread James Bowery
Bad advice. Tuna don't do numbers any better than
chickenshttp://www.treehugger.com/green-food/chickens-out-perform-toddlers-math-tests.html
.


On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:39 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:

 We need to ask the Tuna


 On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:35 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:

 Speaking of which, what would actually happen if they just dumped all the
 waste into the ocean?  I mean what do the _numbers_ look like?  The ocean
 is _very_ big.


 On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:19 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.comwrote:

 Right,

 But they still need water.  Good thing they had an ocean close by to
 hide their sins.


 On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:

 ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:


 So, if the reactors had not been running there would be no disaster

 Idle, loaded reactors, and spent fuel pools still require continuous
 cooling water.


 There was no disaster in the fourth reactor. Therefore, the cooling
 capacity was sufficient, even though it was greatly reduced. (Some of the
 emergency cooling systems survived the tsunami.) The cooling pool needs
 much less cooling capacity than a reactor core right after a SCRAM.

 - Jed







Re: [Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:

There was no disaster in the fourth reactor.

 You should update the Wikipedia with your knowledge here.  They're working
 under a different set of assumptions.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster

 On 15 March, an explosion damaged the fourth floor rooftop area of unit
 4. Japan's nuclear safety http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_safety agency
 NISA reported two large holes in a wall of the outer building of unit 4
 after the explosion.


Huh. That must have been after TEPCO talked about restarting it. Or maybe
the TEPCO bean counter who talked about that was not aware of the extent of
the damage. Anyway, it caused a brouhaha when they talked about restarting
#4. The Prime Minister responded, ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR EVER-LOVING
MIND?!?? Only in Japanese.

If the other three had been damaged only to that extent it would not be a
disaster. It would be no worse than the earthquake damage to the
Kashiwazaki-Kariwa plant by the earthquake in 2007, which was no big deal.

It looks like they are hoping to restart Kashiwazaki-Kariwa next July.
That's a good thing, from the point of view of global warming. It is the
biggest nuke complex in the world.

- Jed


Re: [Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-07 Thread Axil Axil
http://www.bikiniatoll.com/whatrad.html

IMHO, LENR nanoparticle based reactions in the ocean neutralize radioactive
isotopes. For example, the ocean around Bikini  atoll is now clean and it
has be clean for a long time now..


On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:35 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:

 Speaking of which, what would actually happen if they just dumped all the
 waste into the ocean?  I mean what do the _numbers_ look like?  The ocean
 is _very_ big.


 On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:19 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:

 Right,

 But they still need water.  Good thing they had an ocean close by to hide
 their sins.


 On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:

 ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:


 So, if the reactors had not been running there would be no disaster

 Idle, loaded reactors, and spent fuel pools still require continuous
 cooling water.


 There was no disaster in the fourth reactor. Therefore, the cooling
 capacity was sufficient, even though it was greatly reduced. (Some of the
 emergency cooling systems survived the tsunami.) The cooling pool needs
 much less cooling capacity than a reactor core right after a SCRAM.

 - Jed






Re: [Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
I agree, we are all immersed in weakly ionizing radiation all of the time,
worse during storms or if you happen to live near a Doppler weather radar
tower...

You guys might want to check out my Google Earth maps of 10 months of
increased fish kills, algae blooms, sinkholes and waterspouts, they are
concentrated around Doppler Towers which pump out 0.25 - 1.25 MW of
continuous low frequency, penetrating radiation, some of which I now
believe is attenuated in the atmosphere and reflecting down through our
heads, possibly driving up autism rates and making it so grandpa cannot
remember your name...

Stewart
darkmattersalot.com


On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://www.bikiniatoll.com/whatrad.html

 IMHO, LENR nanoparticle based reactions in the ocean neutralize
 radioactive isotopes. For example, the ocean around Bikini  atoll is now
 clean and it has be clean for a long time now..


 On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:35 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:

 Speaking of which, what would actually happen if they just dumped all the
 waste into the ocean?  I mean what do the _numbers_ look like?  The ocean
 is _very_ big.


 On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:19 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.comwrote:

 Right,

 But they still need water.  Good thing they had an ocean close by to
 hide their sins.


 On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:

 ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:


 So, if the reactors had not been running there would be no disaster

 Idle, loaded reactors, and spent fuel pools still require continuous
 cooling water.


 There was no disaster in the fourth reactor. Therefore, the cooling
 capacity was sufficient, even though it was greatly reduced. (Some of the
 emergency cooling systems survived the tsunami.) The cooling pool needs
 much less cooling capacity than a reactor core right after a SCRAM.

 - Jed







[Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-06 Thread pagnucco
David Suzuki issues ominous warning for damaged Fukushima plant

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-buzz/david-suzuki-issues-ominous-warning-damaged-fukushima-plant-195522191.html

David Suzuki has issued an ominous warning about the state of Fukushima's
nuclear power plant.

Fukushima is the most terrifying situation I can imagine, the
environmental activist and host of the Nature of Things said last week at
the University of Alberta's symposium Letting in the Light: Science to
Guide Public Water Policy in the 21st Century.

Three out of the four plants were destroyed in the earthquake and in the
tsunami. The fourth one has been so badly damaged that the fear is, if
there's another earthquake of a seven or above that, that building will go
and then all hell breaks loose. And the probably of a seven or above
earthquake in the next three years is over 95 per cent, Suzuki said.

He added that a recent study found another earthquake could require
evacuation of the entire North American coast — and as for Japan — bye
bye, Suzuki said.