Re: [Vo]:The principle of the mutual energy
In reply to David Roberson's message of Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:55:46 -0400: Hi Dave, Yes, I should have explicitly added that this is only valid where the separation distance is <= the wavelength. Note however that because protons are massive relative to electrons, and because the Earth's magnetic field isn't very strong, the cyclotron frequency for some protons in the lower belt implies a wavelength that is roughly equal to the altitude. >Robin, > >It is my experience that the coupling falls off as 1/r to the third power at >large distances. > >Dave > > > > > > > >-Original Message- >From: mixent <mix...@bigpond.com> >To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> >Sent: Wed, Jul 20, 2016 12:04 am >Subject: Re: [Vo]:The principle of the mutual energy >>For example in my past self resonant coil experiments very efficient energy >>transfer between two air coils at a distance does not fit to magnetic >>coupling >>working for transformers, nor to standard electromagnetic wave transmission >>despite of presence of substantial electric and magnetic fields. These fields >>are now known as evanescent waves. May the coupling through evanescent >>waves >>have a similarity with the handshake described on this paper. >>OTH, I think self resonant coils (Tesla coils) could not be substituted by a >>LC >>tank. Coils can resonate in multiple frequencies at the same time and may >>cause >>some odd effects depending to waveshape and to geometry. >>BTW, Imrecons appears specialized in computer tomography. >>http://arxiv.org/abs/1606.08710 > >It is also well known that the energy transfer between resonant air coils drops >off as 1/R rather than 1/R^2. That's why I think it's possible that many so >called free energy experiments actually make use of resonance with the protons >in the inner Van Allen belt. The resonance wavelength may be about the same as >the altitude of the inner Van Allen belt for some protons. >Regards, > >Robin van Spaandonk > >http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html > Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
RE: [Vo]:The principle of the mutual energy
For what it’s worth, my recollection is that the 1/r loss applies to an infinite linear antenna. Thus it’s only an approximation for a real antenna. As for evanescent waves, I have not seen a measurement of their speed of initiation relative to the distance to the source that generates them. Are the evanescent fields established instantly as part of an entangled (coherent) system? They may be involved in coupling spin/angular momentum quanta exchange between orbital electrons and nuclear entities. The local B field in that it modifies the entangled energy states may be the mouse in the Rossi effect to produce necessary resonances to allow reaction to proceed or to stop reactions by eliminating resonant conditions. Bob Cook Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: Bob Higgins<mailto:rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 7:28 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:The principle of the mutual energy I may be remembering wrong, but I believe that the evanescent magnetic field strength falls off as 1/r^3 and the coupled evanescent power falls off as 1/r^6. For the propagating field, the strength of the magnetic field falls off as 1/r in free space and the coupled power falls off as 1/r^2. In cluttered environments, the propagating field falls off more quickly. The insertion loss of the coils is proportional to the loaded Q to unloaded Q ratio. On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 8:55 AM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote: > Robin, > > It is my experience that the coupling falls off as 1/r to the third power > at large distances. > > Dave > > > -Original Message- > From: mixent <mix...@bigpond.com> > To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Sent: Wed, Jul 20, 2016 12:04 am > Subject: Re: [Vo]:The principle of the mutual energy > >For example in my past self resonant coil experiments very efficient > energy > >transfer between two air coils at a distance does not fit to magnetic > coupling > >working for transformers, nor to standard electromagnetic wave > transmission > >despite of presence of substantial electric and magnetic fields. These > fields > >are now known as evanescent waves. May the coupling through evanescent > waves > >have a similarity with the handshake described on this paper. > >OTH, I think self resonant coils (Tesla coils) could not be substituted > by a LC > >tank. Coils can resonate in multiple frequencies at the same time and may > cause > >some odd effects depending to waveshape and to geometry. > >BTW, Imrecons appears specialized in computer tomography. > >http://arxiv.org/abs/1606.08710 > > It is also well known that the energy transfer between resonant air coils > drops > off as 1/R rather than 1/R^2. That's why I think it's possible that many so > called free energy experiments actually make use of resonance with the > protons > in the inner Van Allen belt. The resonance wavelength may be about the > same as > the altitude of the inner Van Allen belt for some protons. > Regards, > > Robin van Spaandonk > > http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html > >
Re: [Vo]:The principle of the mutual energy
I may be remembering wrong, but I believe that the evanescent magnetic field strength falls off as 1/r^3 and the coupled evanescent power falls off as 1/r^6. For the propagating field, the strength of the magnetic field falls off as 1/r in free space and the coupled power falls off as 1/r^2. In cluttered environments, the propagating field falls off more quickly. The insertion loss of the coils is proportional to the loaded Q to unloaded Q ratio. On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 8:55 AM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote: > Robin, > > It is my experience that the coupling falls off as 1/r to the third power > at large distances. > > Dave > > > -Original Message- > From: mixent <mix...@bigpond.com> > To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Sent: Wed, Jul 20, 2016 12:04 am > Subject: Re: [Vo]:The principle of the mutual energy > >For example in my past self resonant coil experiments very efficient > energy > >transfer between two air coils at a distance does not fit to magnetic > coupling > >working for transformers, nor to standard electromagnetic wave > transmission > >despite of presence of substantial electric and magnetic fields. These > fields > >are now known as evanescent waves. May the coupling through evanescent > waves > >have a similarity with the handshake described on this paper. > >OTH, I think self resonant coils (Tesla coils) could not be substituted > by a LC > >tank. Coils can resonate in multiple frequencies at the same time and may > cause > >some odd effects depending to waveshape and to geometry. > >BTW, Imrecons appears specialized in computer tomography. > >http://arxiv.org/abs/1606.08710 > > It is also well known that the energy transfer between resonant air coils > drops > off as 1/R rather than 1/R^2. That's why I think it's possible that many so > called free energy experiments actually make use of resonance with the > protons > in the inner Van Allen belt. The resonance wavelength may be about the > same as > the altitude of the inner Van Allen belt for some protons. > Regards, > > Robin van Spaandonk > > http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html > >
Re: [Vo]:The principle of the mutual energy
That is correct. It even goes to 1/4th power at longer distances. The coil are separated on air core RF transformers to increase the Q of the coils. This leads to better selectivity/ tuning. The coupling does go down. -Original Message- From: David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Wed, Jul 20, 2016 10:55 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:The principle of the mutual energy Robin, It is my experience that the coupling falls off as 1/r to the third power at large distances. Dave -Original Message- From: mixent <mix...@bigpond.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Wed, Jul 20, 2016 12:04 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:The principle of the mutual energy >For example in my past self resonant coil experiments very efficient energy >transfer between two air coils at a distance does not fit to magnetic coupling >working for transformers, nor to standard electromagnetic wave transmission >despite of presence of substantial electric and magnetic fields. These fields >are now known as evanescent waves. May the coupling through evanescent waves >have a similarity with the handshake described on this paper. >OTH, I think self resonant coils (Tesla coils) could not be substituted by a >LC >tank. Coils can resonate in multiple frequencies at the same time and may >cause >some odd effects depending to waveshape and to geometry. >BTW, Imrecons appears specialized in computer tomography. >http://arxiv.org/abs/1606.08710 It is also well known that the energy transfer between resonant air coils drops off as 1/R rather than 1/R^2. That's why I think it's possible that many so called free energy experiments actually make use of resonance with the protons in the inner Van Allen belt. The resonance wavelength may be about the same as the altitude of the inner Van Allen belt for some protons. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:The principle of the mutual energy
Robin, It is my experience that the coupling falls off as 1/r to the third power at large distances. Dave -Original Message- From: mixent <mix...@bigpond.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Wed, Jul 20, 2016 12:04 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:The principle of the mutual energy >For example in my past self resonant coil experiments very efficient energy >transfer between two air coils at a distance does not fit to magnetic coupling >working for transformers, nor to standard electromagnetic wave transmission >despite of presence of substantial electric and magnetic fields. These fields >are now known as evanescent waves. May the coupling through evanescent waves >have a similarity with the handshake described on this paper. >OTH, I think self resonant coils (Tesla coils) could not be substituted by a >LC >tank. Coils can resonate in multiple frequencies at the same time and may >cause >some odd effects depending to waveshape and to geometry. >BTW, Imrecons appears specialized in computer tomography. >http://arxiv.org/abs/1606.08710 It is also well known that the energy transfer between resonant air coils drops off as 1/R rather than 1/R^2. That's why I think it's possible that many so called free energy experiments actually make use of resonance with the protons in the inner Van Allen belt. The resonance wavelength may be about the same as the altitude of the inner Van Allen belt for some protons. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:The principle of the mutual energy
>For example in my past self resonant coil experiments very efficient energy >transfer between two air coils at a distance does not fit to magnetic coupling >working for transformers, nor to standard electromagnetic wave transmission >despite of presence of substantial electric and magnetic fields. These fields >are now known as evanescent waves. May the coupling through evanescent waves >have a similarity with the handshake described on this paper. >OTH, I think self resonant coils (Tesla coils) could not be substituted by a >LC >tank. Coils can resonate in multiple frequencies at the same time and may >cause >some odd effects depending to waveshape and to geometry. >BTW, Imrecons appears specialized in computer tomography. >http://arxiv.org/abs/1606.08710 It is also well known that the energy transfer between resonant air coils drops off as 1/R rather than 1/R^2. That's why I think it's possible that many so called free energy experiments actually make use of resonance with the protons in the inner Van Allen belt. The resonance wavelength may be about the same as the altitude of the inner Van Allen belt for some protons. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
RE: [Vo]:The principle of the mutual energy
This reminds me of Bill Beaty’s piece on “energy sucking” antennas which is much better written. It is a real phenomenon if it is explained precisely. http://amasci.com/tesla/tesceive.html From: H Ucar This theory appears to contradict to basic facts, I wonder authors did found a phenomenon or application to leading it. Even this theory fits well to a phenomenon hard to explain it would be very useful. For example in my past self resonant coil experiments very efficient energy transfer between two air coils at a distance does not fit to magnetic coupling working for transformers, nor to standard electromagnetic wave transmission despite of presence of substantial electric and magnetic fields. These fields are now known as evanescent waves. May the coupling through evanescent waves have a similarity with the handshake described on this paper. OTH, I think self resonant coils (Tesla coils) could not be substituted by a LC tank. Coils can resonate in multiple frequencies at the same time and may cause some odd effects depending to waveshape and to geometry. BTW, Imrecons appears specialized in computer tomography. http://arxiv.org/abs/1606.08710 The principle of the mutual energy Shuang-ren Zhao, Kevin Yang, Kang Yang, Xingang Yang and Xintie Yang∗ Imrecons Inc Abstract Many scientist do not agree the probability explanation of quantum mechanics. Einstein has said the God do not play dice. Advanced potential solution of Maxwell equations are not accept by most scientist. The reason of that is in the engineering it seems without advanced potential, everything still fine. We have proven if without advanced potential, it is not possible to satisfy the Maxwell equations. We also shown that it is not the Poynting vector related energy current transferring energy in the space and it is the mutual energy really did that. A important result of the mutual energy theorem is that the advanced potential can suck energy from the transmitter. This sucked energy is equal to the energy received at the receiver. Hence a transmitter can not send any energ y out without the receiver. The energy is transferred by the retarded potential together with an advanced potential. If the sucked energy is discrete, the summation of mutual energy current of the infinite background atoms or currents (which can be seen as receivers) is a random process. This means that the photon energy sent by the transmitter is actually grabbed by the receiver. Hence the photon from very beginning knows their destination which is the receiver applying the advanced potential to the transmitter. This receiver send advanced potential to the transmitter. This explanation also avoided the wave function collapse. We obtain the result the electromagnetic wave and photon are two concepts. Wave is the retarded potential and advanced potential and photon is a handshake process between receive and transmitter. The retarded potential first reached the receiver, cause the current in the receiver, the current of receive r send a advanced potential to the transmitter with a reversed time, in the same time, a photon minus-time-instantly runs from receiver to transmitter. In our normal feeling, the photon is still runs from the transmitter to the receiver with a positive time. Hence there is no any causality violation. The reason of light speed is also discussed.
[Vo]:The principle of the mutual energy
This theory appears to contradict to basic facts, I wonder authors did found a phenomenon or application to leading it. Even this theory fits well to a phenomenon hard to explain it would be very useful. For example in my past self resonant coil experiments very efficient energy transfer between two air coils at a distance does not fit to magnetic coupling working for transformers, nor to standard electromagnetic wave transmission despite of presence of substantial electric and magnetic fields. These fields are now known as evanescent waves. May the coupling through evanescent waves have a similarity with the handshake described on this paper. OTH, I think self resonant coils (Tesla coils) could not be substituted by a LC tank. Coils can resonate in multiple frequencies at the same time and may cause some odd effects depending to waveshape and to geometry. BTW, Imrecons appears specialized in computer tomography. http://arxiv.org/abs/1606.08710 The principle of the mutual energy Shuang-ren Zhao, Kevin Yang, Kang Yang, Xingang Yang and Xintie Yang∗ Imrecons Inc Abstract Many scientist do not agree the probability explanation of quantum mechanics. Einstein has said the God do not play dice. Advanced potential solution of Maxwell equations are not accept by most scientist. The reason of that is in the engineering it seems without advanced potential, everything still fine. We have proven if without advanced potential, it is not possible to satisfy the Maxwell equations. We also shown that it is not the Poynting vector related energy current transferring energy in the space and it is the mutual energy really did that. A important result of the mutual energy theorem is that the advanced potential can suck energy from the transmitter. This sucked energy is equal to the energy received at the receiver. Hence a transmitter can not send any energy out without the receiver. The energy is transferred by the retarded potential together with an advanced potential. If the sucked energy is discrete, the summation of mutual energy current of the infinite background atoms or currents (which can be seen as receivers) is a random process. This means that the photon energy sent by the transmitter is actually grabbed by the receiver. Hence the photon from very beginning knows their destination which is the receiver applying the advanced potential to the transmitter. This receiver send advanced potential to the transmitter. This explanatio n also avoided the wave function collapse. We obtain the result the electromagnetic wave and photon are two concepts. Wave is the retarded potential and advanced potential and photon is a handshake process between receive and transmitter. The retarded potential first reached the receiver, cause the current in the receiver, the current of receiver send a advanced potential to the transmitter with a reversed time, in the same time, a photon minus-time-instantly runs from receiver to transmitter. In our normal feeling, the photon is still runs from the transmitter to the receiver with a positive time. Hence there is no any causality violation. The reason of light speed is also discussed.
