RE: [Vo]:What Happened in CE 774?
Hi Jones, Terry, I just saw the subject's message (http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg66408.html) yesterday, while searching the vortex-l archives. I unsubscribed from vortex-l months ago, because I was unable to keep up, mostly because of the amount of Rossi related stuff. Regarding the unusual event at AD 774 and the references to the nature article, A signature of cosmic-ray increase in AD 774–775 from tree rings in Japan http://www.nature.com/news/mysterious-radiation-burst-recorded-in-tree-rings-1.10768 http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v486/n7402/full/nature11123.html I did not read the paper, but just by looking at the abstract, there are a couple of strong hints that the cosmic-ray increase could be related to Eta Carinae: 1) the paper mentions that the event occurs suddenly and is of short duration, i.e. did not appear un previous nor subsequent years records, which matches with Eta Carinae's events. 2) the first recorded Eta Carinae spectroscopic event was in July 1870 (1870.60) (http://etacar.umn.edu/). Subtracting 1870.6 from 774.5 (assuming that the sudden cosmic-ray increase took place at the middle of 774), we obtain 1096.1, which is an almost integral multiple of Eta Carinae's spectroscopic events period(!), which is 5.539 years: 1096.1/5.539 = 197.89 (A period of 5.536 years, by the way, gives us an almost integer value of 197.995) Assuming that the event took place at the beginning of AD 774, we obtain (1870.6-774)/5.539 = 197.978, which is in excellent agreement. And assuming the end of 774, we get (1870.6-774.9)/5.539 = 197.815, which is still in good agreement. So, if Eta Carinae's spectroscopic events were regular also in the past; which is relatively safe to assume if the events are related to the dynamics of a binary system (which is the main proposed cause), an unusually strong explosion or cosmic-ray emission took place there, 8000 years before 774 AD, and affected Earth in AD 774. That is, the year 774 would be one in which a particularly powerful EtaCar spectroscopic event arrived. Regarging north/south variations, I was unable to detect direct correlations between north/south solar hemisphere sunspot activity and Eta Carinae events. In fact, it seems a certain inverse correlation is more probably observed. This may be related to a kind of amplification effect, or gavitational lens effect, as recently mentioned in other posts http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg86440.html Maybe the Sun's own southern hemisphere acts as a lens for the north hemisphere, where the sunspots appear. In that case, when analyzing (Earth's) north and south hemisphere C14 levels in trees, something similar could be found. Best regards, Mauro
Re: [Vo]:What Happened in CE 774?
On 09/30/2013 08:53 AM, Mauro Lacy wrote: ... Assuming that the event took place at the beginning of AD 774, we obtain (1870.6-774)/5.539 = 197.978, which is in excellent agreement. And assuming the end of 774, we get (1870.6-774.9)/5.539 = 197.815, which is still in good agreement. Needless to say, unless more precise timing data is available, there's a 18% chance (1/5.539) that this result is just the effect of chance, and chance alone. 18% is far from accepted scientific standards for correlation, by the way (p-value = 0.05, at the very least). A monthly resolution for the event would provide an acceptable p-value 1/(12*5.539) = 0.015 to accept or reject the null hypothesis. In fact, a 2 or 3 months window for the event will still be considered fine. Finally, the event can be a combined effect: Eta Car spectroscopic event contributing to cause a major solar flare, which causes in turn the sudden increase in C14 in tree rings. That would allow for a certain delay in the C14 data, which would occur after (but not before), Eta Carinae's event. Regards, Mauro
RE: [Vo]:What Happened in CE 774?
Hi Mauro, Thanks for bringing this point up again. Being in the Southern hemisphere, EC is probably harder for you to forget :) Periodically we delve in-and-out of cosmological ramblings on Vortex, looking for the possible LENR connection (or rather an external stimulus to LENR) and to be honest, when the Solar 11 year cycle came up this time - I completely forgot about the Eta Carinae connection. Given this known cycle, we probably do not need to invoke any other source for variations in solar activity. But that does not mean that the energy from EC is not dark for the most part. In fact dark energy may coincide with bright energy. http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2012/0208/Breathtaking-Carina-nebula-photo- provides-window-into-star-nursery Some of the other details are in this post below, including the remarkable coincidence that its 5.5+ year cycle is almost exactly half the solar 11 year cycle (which is not precise anyway). As for the doubling, we can surmise that precession of EC would mean that we feel only every second cycle. Because of EC's proximity to us - we often get more cosmic energy coming in from this single unstable zone (nebula not a black hole) than from the rest of our galaxy, including its several black holes. http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg63181.html Jones -Original Message- From: Mauro Lacy Hi Jones, Terry, I just saw the subject's message (http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg66408.html) yesterday, while searching the vortex-l archives. I unsubscribed from vortex-l months ago, because I was unable to keep up, mostly because of the amount of Rossi related stuff. Regarding the unusual event at AD 774 and the references to the nature article, A signature of cosmic-ray increase in AD 774-775 from tree rings in Japan http://www.nature.com/news/mysterious-radiation-burst-recorded-in-tree-rings -1.10768 http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v486/n7402/full/nature11123.html I did not read the paper, but just by looking at the abstract, there are a couple of strong hints that the cosmic-ray increase could be related to Eta Carinae: 1) the paper mentions that the event occurs suddenly and is of short duration, i.e. did not appear un previous nor subsequent years records, which matches with Eta Carinae's events. 2) the first recorded Eta Carinae spectroscopic event was in July 1870 (1870.60) (http://etacar.umn.edu/). Subtracting 1870.6 from 774.5 (assuming that the sudden cosmic-ray increase took place at the middle of 774), we obtain 1096.1, which is an almost integral multiple of Eta Carinae's spectroscopic events period(!), which is 5.539 years: 1096.1/5.539 = 197.89 (A period of 5.536 years, by the way, gives us an almost integer value of 197.995) Assuming that the event took place at the beginning of AD 774, we obtain (1870.6-774)/5.539 = 197.978, which is in excellent agreement. And assuming the end of 774, we get (1870.6-774.9)/5.539 = 197.815, which is still in good agreement. So, if Eta Carinae's spectroscopic events were regular also in the past; which is relatively safe to assume if the events are related to the dynamics of a binary system (which is the main proposed cause), an unusually strong explosion or cosmic-ray emission took place there, 8000 years before 774 AD, and affected Earth in AD 774. That is, the year 774 would be one in which a particularly powerful EtaCar spectroscopic event arrived. Regarging north/south variations, I was unable to detect direct correlations between north/south solar hemisphere sunspot activity and Eta Carinae events. In fact, it seems a certain inverse correlation is more probably observed. This may be related to a kind of amplification effect, or gavitational lens effect, as recently mentioned in other posts http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg86440.html Maybe the Sun's own southern hemisphere acts as a lens for the north hemisphere, where the sunspots appear. In that case, when analyzing (Earth's) north and south hemisphere C14 levels in trees, something similar could be found. Best regards, Mauro
[Vo]:What Happened in CE 774?
http://www.nature.com/news/mysterious-radiation-burst-recorded-in-tree-rings-1.10768 Just over 1,200 years ago, the planet was hit by an extremely intense burst of high-energy radiation of unknown cause, scientists studying tree-ring data have found. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature11123.html Is it possible that our sun generated an unprecedented energy burst? T
Re: [Vo]:What Happened in CE 774?
I agree with you Terry that it could likely be some form of solar event. Maybe you should check the historical sun spot record if available for that time frame to get some form of correlation. It also makes one wonder if similar, ever more powerful, events in history have resulted in a driving mechanism for evolution. The poor creatures around during such an occasion would not even know what hit them! If this type of event happens frequently in the history of life on earth one would expect DNA to have a built in mechanism to correct for a moderate radiation burst. I do recall reading about repeated sequences within our DNA and these bursts might indicate a good reason for that to be true. Dave -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Jun 5, 2012 8:37 am Subject: [Vo]:What Happened in CE 774? http://www.nature.com/news/mysterious-radiation-burst-recorded-in-tree-rings-1.10768 Just over 1,200 years ago, the planet was hit by an extremely intense urst of high-energy radiation of unknown cause, scientists studying ree-ring data have found. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature11123.html Is it possible that our sun generated an unprecedented energy burst? T
RE: [Vo]:What Happened in CE 774?
Interesting but was it from our sun, and/or was our sun triggered. This was based on tree-ring data in Japan and North America, but I wonder about South America. If there was a substantial variation between North and South it could tell us something - although there are weather mechanisms for mixing radiocarbon between hemispheres. Mauro Lacy may know this, since he follows the subject area. If the 14Carbon increase were higher in the Southern Hemisphere, for instance, then my bet for the culprit is an x-ray burst from eta Carinae. It is the death star that produces massive directed cosmic rays at times - and we do not know how far back its instability began. http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg63181.html If the rate of 14C in tree rings were found to be less in the Southern Hemisphere, it would probably rule out this particular source, which at various times has been the brightest star in the night-time sky (Sirius is normally brighter but it is only 8+ light years away while eta Carinae, even at its enormous distance of 8,000 ly - has been as bright as Sirius at times. -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton http://www.nature.com/news/mysterious-radiation-burst-recorded-in-tree-rings -1.10768 Just over 1,200 years ago, the planet was hit by an extremely intense burst of high-energy radiation of unknown cause, scientists studying tree-ring data have found. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature11123.html Is it possible that our sun generated an unprecedented energy burst? T attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:What Happened in CE 774?
Maybe it was due to a terrestial LENR event belched up by volcano. Harry On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:59 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I agree with you Terry that it could likely be some form of solar event. Maybe you should check the historical sun spot record if available for that time frame to get some form of correlation. It also makes one wonder if similar, ever more powerful, events in history have resulted in a driving mechanism for evolution. The poor creatures around during such an occasion would not even know what hit them! If this type of event happens frequently in the history of life on earth one would expect DNA to have a built in mechanism to correct for a moderate radiation burst. I do recall reading about repeated sequences within our DNA and these bursts might indicate a good reason for that to be true. Dave -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Jun 5, 2012 8:37 am Subject: [Vo]:What Happened in CE 774? http://www.nature.com/news/mysterious-radiation-burst-recorded-in-tree-rings-1.10768 Just over 1,200 years ago, the planet was hit by an extremely intense burst of high-energy radiation of unknown cause, scientists studying tree-ring data have found. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature11123.html Is it possible that our sun generated an unprecedented energy burst? T
