RE: [Vo]:Znidarsic's constant
Avagadro's number is used to convert natural unit mass to conventional a conventional unit: Space-time Units Conventional Units s space 4.558816?10-6 cm4.558816?10-6 cm t time1.520655?10-16 sec 1.520655?10-16 sec s/t speed 2.997930?1010 cm/sec2.997930?1010 cm/sec s/t2acceleration1.971473?1026 cm/sec2 1.971473?1026 cm/sec2 t/s energy 3.335635?10-11 see/cm 1.49175?10-3 ergs t/s2force 7.316889?10-6 sec/cm2 3.27223?102 dynes t/s4pressure3.520646?105 sec/cm41.57449?1013 dynes/cm2 t2/s2 momentum1.112646?10-21 sec2/cm2 4.97593?10-14 g-cm/sec t3/s3 inertial mass 3.711381?10-32 sec3/cm3 1.65979?10-24 g from: http://library.rstheory.org/books/nbm/13.html -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 10:53 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Znidarsic's constant In reply to Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.'s message of Fri, 20 Apr 2012 19:09:27 -0700: Hi, [snip] Only three values are needed to perform all calculations: c, the Rydberg frequency, and Avagadro's number. Almost any three natural constants are enough to derive all the rest. This is well known in physics. However Avogadro's number is not a natural constant, because it's based upon our definition of the gram, which is arbitrary. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Znidarsic's constant
Thanks all. The reciprocal units are confusing to me. We usedreciprocal units in a solid state physics course to plot the velocity of phonons in a solid. The plot looked like a U. Its slope was the speed of the phonons. It was also confusing. The constant is a velocity. I believe it is the velocity of quantum transition. Instead of computing the position of electrons in the hydrogen atom from Planck's constant and the stationary energy levels, I computed the emitted energies from my constant and the velocity of the in between state. It would be just a numbers game if it were not so strongly correlated to the process of cold fusion. As far as Jones comment as finally..Its is finally not.. this was done 15 years ago. Jones did ask a good question of why hydrogen in nickle and why deuterium in palladium. It must have something to do with a resonant condition at that speed. Helium in another metal may work at a different pressure and frequency. I am trying this trying to achieve another result. Frank Znidarsic
Re: [Vo]:Znidarsic's constant
On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 7:09 AM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: As far as Jones comment as finally..Its is finally not.. this was done 15 years ago. Jones did ask a good question of why hydrogen in nickle and why deuterium in palladium. It must have something to do with a resonant condition at that speed. Helium in another metal may work at a different pressure and frequency. I am trying this trying to achieve another result. I was wondering about dissociation. Can anyone clarify -- will hydrogen dissociate in any metal that is acting as a cathode, e.g., Pd, or will it only dissociate in a metal with a crystalline structure of a small enough size? Eric
Re: [Vo]:Znidarsic's constant
The hydrogen must be in the mono atomic form and stripped of its electrons. H2 absorbers such as carbon nano tubes do not appear to work. Frank z -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Apr 21, 2012 3:25 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Znidarsic's constant On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 7:09 AM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: As far as Jones comment as finally..Its is finally not.. this was done 15 years ago. Jones did ask a good question of why hydrogen in nickle and why deuterium in palladium. It must have something to do with a resonant condition at that speed. Helium in another metal may work at a different pressure and frequency. I am trying this trying to achieve another result. I was wondering about dissociation. Can anyone clarify -- will hydrogen dissociate in any metal that is acting as a cathode, e.g., Pd, or will it only dissociate in a metal with a crystalline structure of a small enough size? Eric
Re: [Vo]:Znidarsic's constant
In reply to Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.'s message of Sat, 21 Apr 2012 06:29:17 -0700: Hi, [snip] The definition of the gm was made, independent of any natural constants. It was originally intended to be the weight of a cubic centimeter of water. 1 cm = 1 meter / 100. See http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_a_metric_meter for the original definition of the meter:- A meter is a fractional part of the circumference of the earth. Historically that is almost correct. It was the distance between marks on a metal bar which represented 1/10,000,000 (one ten millionth) of the distance between the equator and the north pole on the meridian passing through Paris. Avogadro's number is defined as the number of atoms in 12 grams of Carbon 12. So it derives from the size of the Earth, the density of water, and the atomic mass of C12. It is not a natural constant. Perhaps needless to say, the size of the Earth is completely arbitrary. It is only one of trillions of planets in the Universe. Using Avogadro's number as a fundamental constant is just rearranging the deck chairs (i.e. algebra). Avagadro's number is used to convert natural unit mass to conventional a conventional unit: Space-time Units Conventional Units s space 4.558816?10-6 cm4.558816?10-6 cm t time1.520655?10-16 sec 1.520655?10-16 sec s/tspeed 2.997930?1010 cm/sec2.997930?1010 cm/sec s/t2 acceleration1.971473?1026 cm/sec2 1.971473?1026 cm/sec2 t/senergy 3.335635?10-11 see/cm 1.49175?10-3 ergs t/s2 force 7.316889?10-6 sec/cm2 3.27223?102 dynes t/s4 pressure3.520646?105 sec/cm41.57449?1013 dynes/cm2 t2/s2 momentum1.112646?10-21 sec2/cm2 4.97593?10-14 g-cm/sec t3/s3 inertial mass 3.711381?10-32 sec3/cm3 1.65979?10-24 g Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Znidarsic's constant
In reply to fznidar...@aol.com's message of Sat, 21 Apr 2012 10:09:14 -0400 (EDT): Hi Frank, [snip] Thanks all. The reciprocal units are confusing to me. We usedreciprocal units in a solid state physics course to plot the velocity of phonons in a solid. The plot looked like a U. Its slope was the speed of the phonons. It was also confusing. The constant is a velocity. I believe it is the velocity of quantum transition. Instead of computing the position of electrons in the hydrogen atom from Planck's constant and the stationary energy levels, I computed the emitted energies from my constant and the velocity of the in between state. It would be just a numbers game if it were not so strongly correlated to the process of cold fusion. As far as Jones comment as finally..Its is finally not.. this was done 15 years ago. Jones did ask a good question of why hydrogen in nickle and why deuterium in palladium. It must have something to do with a resonant condition at that speed. If you haven't already, you should look at the papers of Dr. Robert Bass. They provide this resonant connection. (I suspect they are among the papers from Dr. Bass recently placed in the library.) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Znidarsic's constant
Frank, First, for the sake of clarity, a hydrogen atom stripped of electrons is a proton, has a +1 charge and can be called a hydrogen ion or better a hydrogen cation. A proton with one electron can be called a hydrogen atom with no charge and can be considered to be in an unstable exited state, readily able to combine with an identical twin sister to yield H2 molecule plus energy. A proton with 2electrons called a hydride ion has a -1 charge and is classed as an anion. The 2 electrons fit into what some people call the S shell. All atoms in motion have a natural propensity to cool or lose energy by emitting radiation if surrounded by matter at a lower temperature. The radiation is called electromagnetic and is described by the term photon at times. The photons emitted usually are not evenly distributed as far as wave lengths being more characteristic of system circumstances. Statistical Mechanics and Statistical Thermodynamics are the bases of my ability to understand modern trends of out of the box suggestions here, having taught both. Carbon nano structures usually can be thought of as polymers of a simple benzene ring configuration yielding planar, spherical, cup, cone, tube and etc. geometric formats. I say this for clarity and pray the the colleagues here pin down what they are discussing, thus avoiding much of the back and forth explanations. Now, it was reported here at one point that plasma within a hydrocarbon atmosphere does yield generous quantities of nano carbon cones containing protons. I prefer to refer to this system as a method of trapping and containing protons by way of nano technology stabilization. Love your comments, keep them coming and intrigued by your theories, especially Znidarsic's constant. Regards, Intensity fznidar...@aol.com wrote: The hydrogen must be in themono atomicform and stripped of its electrons. H2absorberssuch as carbon nano tubes do not appear to work. Frank z -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Apr 21, 2012 3:25 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Znidarsic's constant On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 7:09 AM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: As far as Jones comment as finally..Its is finally not.. this was done 15 years ago. Jones did ask a good question of why hydrogen in nickle and whydeuteriumin palladium. It must have something to do with aresonantconditionat that speed. Helium in another metal may work at a different pressure and frequency. I am trying this trying to achieve another result. I was wondering about dissociation. Can anyone clarify -- will hydrogen dissociate in any metal that is acting as a cathode, e.g., Pd, or will it only dissociate in a metal with a crystallinestructure of a small enough size? Eric
[Vo]:Znidarsic's constant
Hi Frank, This is resent from last May (slightly edited): This profound article is the only paper I know of that explains what a magnetic field really is, and also contains a remarkable new look at dimensional analysis: The Dimensions of Motion I think a satisfying view of time is that the universe consists of Nothing But Motion, the physics of Dewey B. Larson's Reciprocal System -- that is the primary constituent of the universe is a unit of motion which is space/time and it can support 3 dimensions of motion, so space and time are just aspects of motion and both are 3D. This model explains many things that conventional physics has no clue about and enables calculation of fundamental values from basic premises alone, such as planck's constant, lifetime of the neutron, melting points of elements etc. Only three values are needed to perform all calculations: c, the Rydberg frequency, and Avagadro's number. http://rstheory.org/video/dbl-1978 http://rstheory.org/video/rs-101 Other Reciprocal System websites: Early RS website RS official website Dr. Bruce Peret's website LRC A new periodic chart: http://www.lrcphysics.com/wheel/
Re: [Vo]:Znidarsic's constant
In reply to Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.'s message of Fri, 20 Apr 2012 19:09:27 -0700: Hi, [snip] Only three values are needed to perform all calculations: c, the Rydberg frequency, and Avagadro's number. Almost any three natural constants are enough to derive all the rest. This is well known in physics. However Avogadro's number is not a natural constant, because it's based upon our definition of the gram, which is arbitrary. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
