RE: [Vo]:Defkalion Testing
Terry the interrygator asks: "How old is your hotmail account?" Good question! Enquiring minds want to know... But being the well seasoned troll that MY is, he probably has several alter-egos so when one of them is banned, and questions arise as to when #2 started, as is the case here, he can always claim that alter-ego #1 and #2 were posting during the same period; that #2 didn't 'just' start after #1 was banned... as if that's some kind of proof that they are two different people! -m -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 4:38 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Testing On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Jarold McWilliams wrote: > Just more useless speculation that you are wrong about. I was on DGT while MY was there, and I told her/him to be more patient until more information was released. Well, we are familiar with MPD. How old is your hotmail account? T
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Testing
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Jarold McWilliams wrote: > I can prove that I've had it since April, 2010, but I think I've had it since > about 2008. We're playin' the joker, Oldjar. Wild card. Chill. T
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Testing
I can prove that I've had it since April, 2010, but I think I've had it since about 2008. On Feb 15, 2012, at 6:38 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Jarold McWilliams > wrote: > >> Just more useless speculation that you are wrong about. I was on DGT while >> MY was there, and I told her/him to be more patient until more information >> was released. > > Well, we are familiar with MPD. How old is your hotmail account? > > T > >
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On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Jarold McWilliams wrote: > Just more useless speculation that you are wrong about. I was on DGT while > MY was there, and I told her/him to be more patient until more information > was released. Well, we are familiar with MPD. How old is your hotmail account? T
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Jarold sez: > It's my deadline based on the things both Rossi and Defkalion said. > If nothing happens by that time, I will stop paying attention to this > drama and consider that it is most likely a fraud. Well shoot! So Rossi has finally violated your deadline, and now you're miffed. You've lost your patience and as such, Rossi has now become a really bad guy. Who knows what Rossi's actual deadlines are. I don't think Rossi even knows. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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It's my deadline based on the things both Rossi and Defkalion said. If nothing happens by that time, I will stop paying attention to this drama and consider that it is most likely a fraud. On Feb 15, 2012, at 3:41 PM, Patrick Ellul wrote: > Hi Jarold, > > What will exactly happen on your self-imposed deadline date? > > Regards, > Patrick > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Jarold McWilliams > wrote: > I've been on the fence until just a couple of days ago when I heard Rossi's > terrible excuse for not even giving Smith's proposal a chance. I want real > answers for his refusal instead of snakes and clowns. Some other things > Rossi has said haven't come to fruition. I'm using his timeline, and he > hasn't delivered. Rossi's actions over the last couple of weeks have made me > think that there is a greater chance of him being a fraud. I'll wait until > my original deadline of March 31, but there really needs to start being some > answers instead of speculation. > > On Feb 15, 2012, at 1:42 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: > >> Oh no… sounds like MaryYugo’s brother… only worse. >> >> Jarold, GET OVER IT! >> Just wait it out like the rest of us… >> >> Or, get some people and equipment together and try to replicate it like a >> few of us… >> >> If it makes you feel good, just call it a fraud and move on… nothing to see >> here. >> >> -Mark >> >> From: Jarold McWilliams [mailto:oldja...@hotmail.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 10:48 AM >> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com >> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Testing >> >> I have been very patient with all of this. I was willing to wait until >> March 31, and even then I wouldn't consider it 100% fraud with no tests. >> Rossi is a liar if he doesn't even look into conducting a test with Smith, >> and there is no reason to believe anything he says with no proof. >> On Feb 15, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Robert Leguillon wrote: >> >> >> > > > > > -- > Patrick > > www.tRacePerfect.com > The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect! > The quickest puzzle ever! >
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Just more useless speculation that you are wrong about. I was on DGT while MY was there, and I told her/him to be more patient until more information was released. Rossi refused to do something that he said he was going to do. On Feb 15, 2012, at 4:22 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint > wrote: >> Oh no… sounds like MaryYugo’s brother… only worse. > > Well, hmmm. He did appear on PDGT *after* MY's ban there. And here . . . > > T > >
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>From Jarold ... > ... I want real answers for his refusal instead of snakes and clowns. Patience grasshopper. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: > Oh no… sounds like MaryYugo’s brother… only worse. Well, hmmm. He did appear on PDGT *after* MY's ban there. And here . . . T
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Hi Jarold, What will exactly happen on your self-imposed deadline date? Regards, Patrick On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Jarold McWilliams wrote: > I've been on the fence until just a couple of days ago when I heard > Rossi's terrible excuse for not even giving Smith's proposal a chance. I > want real answers for his refusal instead of snakes and clowns. Some other > things Rossi has said haven't come to fruition. I'm using his timeline, > and he hasn't delivered. Rossi's actions over the last couple of weeks > have made me think that there is a greater chance of him being a fraud. > I'll wait until my original deadline of March 31, but there really needs > to start being some answers instead of speculation. > > On Feb 15, 2012, at 1:42 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: > > Oh no… sounds like MaryYugo’s brother… only worse. > ** ** > Jarold, GET OVER IT! > Just wait it out like the rest of us… > ** ** > Or, get some people and equipment together and try to replicate it like a > few of us… > ** ** > If it makes you feel good, just call it a fraud and move on… nothing to > see here. > ** ** > -Mark > ** ** > *From:* Jarold McWilliams [mailto:oldja...@hotmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2012 10:48 AM > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Testing > ** ** > I have been very patient with all of this. I was willing to wait until > March 31, and even then I wouldn't consider it 100% fraud with no tests. > Rossi is a liar if he doesn't even look into conducting a test with Smith, > and there is no reason to believe anything he says with no proof. > On Feb 15, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Robert Leguillon wrote: > > > > ** ** > > > -- Patrick www.tRacePerfect.com The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect! The quickest puzzle ever!
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Testing
I've been on the fence until just a couple of days ago when I heard Rossi's terrible excuse for not even giving Smith's proposal a chance. I want real answers for his refusal instead of snakes and clowns. Some other things Rossi has said haven't come to fruition. I'm using his timeline, and he hasn't delivered. Rossi's actions over the last couple of weeks have made me think that there is a greater chance of him being a fraud. I'll wait until my original deadline of March 31, but there really needs to start being some answers instead of speculation. On Feb 15, 2012, at 1:42 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: > Oh no… sounds like MaryYugo’s brother… only worse. > > Jarold, GET OVER IT! > Just wait it out like the rest of us… > > Or, get some people and equipment together and try to replicate it like a few > of us… > > If it makes you feel good, just call it a fraud and move on… nothing to see > here. > > -Mark > > From: Jarold McWilliams [mailto:oldja...@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 10:48 AM > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Testing > > I have been very patient with all of this. I was willing to wait until March > 31, and even then I wouldn't consider it 100% fraud with no tests. Rossi is > a liar if he doesn't even look into conducting a test with Smith, and there > is no reason to believe anything he says with no proof. > On Feb 15, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Robert Leguillon wrote: > > >
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Oh no. sounds like MaryYugo's brother. only worse. Jarold, GET OVER IT! Just wait it out like the rest of us. Or, get some people and equipment together and try to replicate it like a few of us. If it makes you feel good, just call it a fraud and move on. nothing to see here. -Mark From: Jarold McWilliams [mailto:oldja...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 10:48 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Testing I have been very patient with all of this. I was willing to wait until March 31, and even then I wouldn't consider it 100% fraud with no tests. Rossi is a liar if he doesn't even look into conducting a test with Smith, and there is no reason to believe anything he says with no proof. On Feb 15, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Robert Leguillon wrote:
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Man began using fire/combustion approx. 46,000 years ago and we are still using combustion as our primary energy source. I think you should be patient and wait a few more weeks... The frustration from Rossi is "Nothing from Nothing leaves Nothing" Let's continue to hope we get something. I have hopes that DGT will present independent results over the next few weeks/months. On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Jarold McWilliams wrote: > I have been very patient with all of this. I was willing to wait until > March 31, and even then I wouldn't consider it 100% fraud with no tests. > Rossi is a liar if he doesn't even look into conducting a test with Smith, > and there is no reason to believe anything he says with no proof. > > On Feb 15, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Robert Leguillon wrote: > > From Jarold: > /snip/ > "and what does that say about Defkalion who is only in the LENR business > because of Rossi. If no valid tests are performed by either group by March > 31, this whole thing is most likely a fraud." > /snip/ > > "Defkalion GT was not invited and did not participate officially in any > public demonstration nor the preparation of any other third party's public > event related to LENR devises [sic], since 17th of January 2011." ( > http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=258&p=3300#p3300 > ) > When Rossi allegedly failed to meet contractual requirements, Defkalion > went silent. As the relationship was severed, between July to October of > 2011, they weren't releasing any information. These are the expected > actions of someone reassessing their lot. > The impression that I get (baseless speculation) is that Rossi *may* have > misled Defkalion as to his success with Ni-H, and his alleged catalyst. > But, possibly, his core idea of using micro/nano nickel was indeed a > breakthrough. When Defkalion pushed forward on their own, they may have > found a way to get reliable, controllable, excess heat. > Their silence-then-reemergence is interesting. Where Rossi's past may be > entirely consistent with that of someone profiting from outrageous claims, > the named Defkalion directors do not strike me as a group of > con-artists. If the scenario really were that they were "victims of a > con", what are the odds that they could all be brought on board to > perpetuate the scam? These are former chairmen, presidents, and even an > ambassador. > > Aside from a few photos/videos, there has been no evidence that Defkalion > does, or does not have the technology. Inviting people inside, and > promising upcoming independent testing, are great signs that they believe > they do. It is wrong to place arbitrary time frames on what appears to > be a more reasoned approach. They are not obligated to provide us with > anything, but they seem to understand that there is a wall of doubt to > overcome. Moreover, they finally seem ready to address those doubts. > They've even claimed that most of third party tests will be streamed on the > Internet, if the testers agree ( > http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=926&start=200 > ). > > Patience. > > R.L. > > >
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I have been very patient with all of this. I was willing to wait until March 31, and even then I wouldn't consider it 100% fraud with no tests. Rossi is a liar if he doesn't even look into conducting a test with Smith, and there is no reason to believe anything he says with no proof. On Feb 15, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Robert Leguillon wrote: > From Jarold: > /snip/ > "and what does that say about Defkalion who is only in the LENR business > because of Rossi. If no valid tests are performed by either group by March > 31, this whole thing is most likely a fraud." > /snip/ > > "Defkalion GT was not invited and did not participate officially in any > public demonstration nor the preparation of any other third party's public > event related to LENR devises [sic], since 17th of January 2011." > (http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=258&p=3300#p3300) > When Rossi allegedly failed to meet contractual requirements, Defkalion went > silent. As the relationship was severed, between July to October of 2011, > they weren't releasing any information. These are the expected actions of > someone reassessing their lot. > The impression that I get (baseless speculation) is that Rossi may have > misled Defkalion as to his success with Ni-H, and his alleged catalyst. But, > possibly, his core idea of using micro/nano nickel was indeed a breakthrough. > When Defkalion pushed forward on their own, they may have found a way to get > reliable, controllable, excess heat. > Their silence-then-reemergence is interesting. Where Rossi's past may be > entirely consistent with that of someone profiting from outrageous claims, > the named Defkalion directors do not strike me as a group of con-artists. If > the scenario really were that they were "victims of a con", what are the odds > that they could all be brought on board to perpetuate the scam? These are > former chairmen, presidents, and even an ambassador. > > Aside from a few photos/videos, there has been no evidence that Defkalion > does, or does not have the technology. Inviting people inside, and promising > upcoming independent testing, are great signs that they believe they do. It > is wrong to place arbitrary time frames on what appears to be a more reasoned > approach. They are not obligated to provide us with anything, but they seem > to understand that there is a wall of doubt to overcome. Moreover, they > finally seem ready to address those doubts. They've even claimed that most > of third party tests will be streamed on the Internet, if the testers agree > (http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=926&start=200). > > Patience. > > R.L.
