Re: [Vo]:OT: Why Chernobyl ?

[Terry Blanton]

Yes, he offed himself; but, with nukes it wouldn't be JUST him.

On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 4:03 PM Robin 
wrote:

> In reply to  Robin's message of Sat, 12 Mar 2022 07:58:26 +1100:
> Hi,
>
> ...more worried than he appears...
>
> [snip]
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk 
>
>

Re: [Vo]:OT: Why Chernobyl ?

[Robin]

In reply to  Robin's message of Sat, 12 Mar 2022 07:58:26 +1100:
Hi,

...more worried than he appears...

[snip]
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk 

Re: [Vo]:OT: Why Chernobyl ?

[Robin]

In reply to  Terry Blanton's message of Fri, 11 Mar 2022 14:51:54 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>Rumors are that Poutain ('whore' in french) has a terminal illness.

Any rumor might be true, but if I had a terminal illness, I think I would 
probably look more worried that he appears to
be, judging by the footage I have seen of him on TV.
>
>If Hitler had a nuclear push button, would he have taken the world with him
>or just offed himself?

I suspect that if he had had nuclear weapons, he would have used them, and 
history might have turned out very
differently.
BTW IIRC history records that he did off himself.
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk 

Re: [Vo]:OT: Why Chernobyl ?

[Terry Blanton]

Rumors are that Poutain ('whore' in french) has a terminal illness.

If Hitler had a nuclear push button, would he have taken the world with him
or just offed himself?

On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 1:40 PM Robin 
wrote:

> In reply to  Terry Blanton's message of Fri, 11 Mar 2022 12:32:21 -0500:
> Hi,
> [snip]
> >These are detonated underwater (assuming the drone submarines actually
> >exist).  The tsunami is likely more deadly than a purely atmospheric
> >explosion.
>
> The most recent Richter scale 9 underwater Earthquake near Indonesia a few
> years back created a tsunami that crossed
> half the planet, and IIRC killed in total about 20 people. A 100 MT
> bomb exploded on one of the Worlds mega cities
> would annihilate the whole city, and kill everyone in it. The loss of life
> would be in the millions.
>
> There is another reason not to use nuclear weapons:- The fallout from your
> own bombs will get carried around the planet
> by the jet stream and end up killing many of your own people.
> Nuclear weapons are lose - lose.
> In fact war in general is lose - lose. It always results in loss of both
> life and property, and sets the whole of
> society back. As a race, humanity is much too quick to solve its problems
> by killing someone else.
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk 
>
>

Re: [Vo]:OT: Why Chernobyl ?

[Robin]

In reply to  Terry Blanton's message of Fri, 11 Mar 2022 12:32:21 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>These are detonated underwater (assuming the drone submarines actually
>exist).  The tsunami is likely more deadly than a purely atmospheric
>explosion.

The most recent Richter scale 9 underwater Earthquake near Indonesia a few 
years back created a tsunami that crossed
half the planet, and IIRC killed in total about 20 people. A 100 MT bomb 
exploded on one of the Worlds mega cities
would annihilate the whole city, and kill everyone in it. The loss of life 
would be in the millions.

There is another reason not to use nuclear weapons:- The fallout from your own 
bombs will get carried around the planet
by the jet stream and end up killing many of your own people.
Nuclear weapons are lose - lose.
In fact war in general is lose - lose. It always results in loss of both life 
and property, and sets the whole of
society back. As a race, humanity is much too quick to solve its problems by 
killing someone else.
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk 

Re: [Vo]:OT: Why Chernobyl ?

[Terry Blanton]

On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 1:25 AM Robin 
wrote:

> I think 100 MT is about the limit. When they get that big they punch a
> hole in the atmosphere, which reduces the
> pressure.
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk 
>

These are detonated underwater (assuming the drone submarines actually
exist).  The tsunami is likely more deadly than a purely atmospheric
explosion.

Re: [Vo]:OT: Why Chernobyl ?

[Robin]

In reply to  Terry Blanton's message of Thu, 10 Mar 2022 23:20:37 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>To get Fidel or to kill a country's leader?

Assassination in general. Poison seems to be the preferred method.

>
>The first was a given.  They have had less luck with the latter in Ukraine.
>
>They do, however, appear to be setting up the world for biowarfare.  After
>our experience with the pandemic, I think I prefer that over their nukes:
>
>https://www.sandboxx.us/blog/russias-massively-powerful-nukes-are-strategic-duds/
>
>100 MT?

I think 100 MT is about the limit. When they get that big they punch a hole in 
the atmosphere, which reduces the
pressure.
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk 

Re: [Vo]:OT: Why Chernobyl ?

[Terry Blanton]

To get Fidel or to kill a country's leader?

The first was a given.  They have had less luck with the latter in Ukraine.

They do, however, appear to be setting up the world for biowarfare.  After
our experience with the pandemic, I think I prefer that over their nukes:

https://www.sandboxx.us/blog/russias-massively-powerful-nukes-are-strategic-duds/

100 MT?

On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 4:32 PM Robin 
wrote:

> In reply to  Terry Blanton's message of Thu, 10 Mar 2022 16:00:43 -0500:
> Hi,
> [snip]
> >Try as they might, they never got Fidel.
>
> The Russians don't appear to find it very difficult.
>
> >
> >On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 1:52 PM Robin 
> >wrote:
> >
> >> In reply to  Terry Blanton's message of Thu, 10 Mar 2022 10:52:00 -0500:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> There are much easier and more conventional ways to assassinate
> >> someonebut nobody does it...you might consider
> >> asking yourself why...and what truth that reveals regarding your own
> >> government.
> >>
> >> [snip]
> >> >If you can land an unmanned rocket on a drone ship in the ocean, no
> reason
> >> >you can't drop a small tungsten rod from a Starlink satellite through
> the
> >> >brain of a Russian general...or president.
> >> >
> >> >On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 9:14 PM Jones Beene 
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Terry Blanton wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Surely not:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> https://cleantechnica.com/2022/03/07/would-russia-be-invading-ukraine-right-now-if-elon-musk-hadnt-shifted-the-course-of-automotive-history/
> >> >>
> >> >> As almost everyone suspects - Elon is not the kind of genius that you
> >> want
> >> >> as your enemy.
> >> >>
> >> >> For one thing the hostilities so far have cost him billions with no
> end
> >> in
> >> >> sight. For another, Ukraine has a lot of lithium. Therefore, it would
> >> not
> >> >> surprise us if he is already in round the clock development of a
> >> completely
> >> >> new and bizarre type of weapon that will end the conflict "naturally"
> >> and
> >> >> to the satisfaction of most of the world.
> >> >>
> >> >> With his own satellite fleet in place, for starters - the
> possibilities
> >> >> for taking action at the highest level, so to to speak, yet with
> >> "plausible
> >> >> deniability" seems doable if not more like fiction. Say... what kind
> of
> >> >> game changing weapon from SciFi  can you imagine that Elon Musk could
> >> have
> >> >> already have prototyped?
> >> >>
> >> >> Gamma laser is one. Bottom line - Do not be surprised if Vlad is
> struck
> >> >> down silently during one of his propaganda tirades - perhaps by
> cardiac
> >> >> arrest ... and in the end it looks entirely like a health issue.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Robin van Spaandonk 
> >>
> >>
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk 
>
>

Re: [Vo]:OT: Why Chernobyl ?

[Robin]

In reply to  Terry Blanton's message of Thu, 10 Mar 2022 16:00:43 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>Try as they might, they never got Fidel.

The Russians don't appear to find it very difficult.

>
>On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 1:52 PM Robin 
>wrote:
>
>> In reply to  Terry Blanton's message of Thu, 10 Mar 2022 10:52:00 -0500:
>> Hi,
>>
>> There are much easier and more conventional ways to assassinate
>> someonebut nobody does it...you might consider
>> asking yourself why...and what truth that reveals regarding your own
>> government.
>>
>> [snip]
>> >If you can land an unmanned rocket on a drone ship in the ocean, no reason
>> >you can't drop a small tungsten rod from a Starlink satellite through the
>> >brain of a Russian general...or president.
>> >
>> >On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 9:14 PM Jones Beene  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Terry Blanton wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Surely not:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> https://cleantechnica.com/2022/03/07/would-russia-be-invading-ukraine-right-now-if-elon-musk-hadnt-shifted-the-course-of-automotive-history/
>> >>
>> >> As almost everyone suspects - Elon is not the kind of genius that you
>> want
>> >> as your enemy.
>> >>
>> >> For one thing the hostilities so far have cost him billions with no end
>> in
>> >> sight. For another, Ukraine has a lot of lithium. Therefore, it would
>> not
>> >> surprise us if he is already in round the clock development of a
>> completely
>> >> new and bizarre type of weapon that will end the conflict "naturally"
>> and
>> >> to the satisfaction of most of the world.
>> >>
>> >> With his own satellite fleet in place, for starters - the possibilities
>> >> for taking action at the highest level, so to to speak, yet with
>> "plausible
>> >> deniability" seems doable if not more like fiction. Say... what kind of
>> >> game changing weapon from SciFi  can you imagine that Elon Musk could
>> have
>> >> already have prototyped?
>> >>
>> >> Gamma laser is one. Bottom line - Do not be surprised if Vlad is struck
>> >> down silently during one of his propaganda tirades - perhaps by cardiac
>> >> arrest ... and in the end it looks entirely like a health issue.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Robin van Spaandonk 
>>
>>
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk 

Re: [Vo]:OT: Why Chernobyl ?

[Terry Blanton]

Try as they might, they never got Fidel.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 1:52 PM Robin 
wrote:

> In reply to  Terry Blanton's message of Thu, 10 Mar 2022 10:52:00 -0500:
> Hi,
>
> There are much easier and more conventional ways to assassinate
> someonebut nobody does it...you might consider
> asking yourself why...and what truth that reveals regarding your own
> government.
>
> [snip]
> >If you can land an unmanned rocket on a drone ship in the ocean, no reason
> >you can't drop a small tungsten rod from a Starlink satellite through the
> >brain of a Russian general...or president.
> >
> >On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 9:14 PM Jones Beene  wrote:
> >
> >> Terry Blanton wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Surely not:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://cleantechnica.com/2022/03/07/would-russia-be-invading-ukraine-right-now-if-elon-musk-hadnt-shifted-the-course-of-automotive-history/
> >>
> >> As almost everyone suspects - Elon is not the kind of genius that you
> want
> >> as your enemy.
> >>
> >> For one thing the hostilities so far have cost him billions with no end
> in
> >> sight. For another, Ukraine has a lot of lithium. Therefore, it would
> not
> >> surprise us if he is already in round the clock development of a
> completely
> >> new and bizarre type of weapon that will end the conflict "naturally"
> and
> >> to the satisfaction of most of the world.
> >>
> >> With his own satellite fleet in place, for starters - the possibilities
> >> for taking action at the highest level, so to to speak, yet with
> "plausible
> >> deniability" seems doable if not more like fiction. Say... what kind of
> >> game changing weapon from SciFi  can you imagine that Elon Musk could
> have
> >> already have prototyped?
> >>
> >> Gamma laser is one. Bottom line - Do not be surprised if Vlad is struck
> >> down silently during one of his propaganda tirades - perhaps by cardiac
> >> arrest ... and in the end it looks entirely like a health issue.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk 
>
>

Re: [Vo]:OT: Why Chernobyl ?

[Robin]

In reply to  Terry Blanton's message of Thu, 10 Mar 2022 10:52:00 -0500:
Hi,

There are much easier and more conventional ways to assassinate someonebut 
nobody does it...you might consider
asking yourself why...and what truth that reveals regarding your own government.

[snip]
>If you can land an unmanned rocket on a drone ship in the ocean, no reason
>you can't drop a small tungsten rod from a Starlink satellite through the
>brain of a Russian general...or president.
>
>On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 9:14 PM Jones Beene  wrote:
>
>> Terry Blanton wrote:
>>
>>
>> Surely not:
>>
>>
>> https://cleantechnica.com/2022/03/07/would-russia-be-invading-ukraine-right-now-if-elon-musk-hadnt-shifted-the-course-of-automotive-history/
>>
>> As almost everyone suspects - Elon is not the kind of genius that you want
>> as your enemy.
>>
>> For one thing the hostilities so far have cost him billions with no end in
>> sight. For another, Ukraine has a lot of lithium. Therefore, it would not
>> surprise us if he is already in round the clock development of a completely
>> new and bizarre type of weapon that will end the conflict "naturally" and
>> to the satisfaction of most of the world.
>>
>> With his own satellite fleet in place, for starters - the possibilities
>> for taking action at the highest level, so to to speak, yet with "plausible
>> deniability" seems doable if not more like fiction. Say... what kind of
>> game changing weapon from SciFi  can you imagine that Elon Musk could have
>> already have prototyped?
>>
>> Gamma laser is one. Bottom line - Do not be surprised if Vlad is struck
>> down silently during one of his propaganda tirades - perhaps by cardiac
>> arrest ... and in the end it looks entirely like a health issue.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk 

Re: [Vo]:OT: Why Chernobyl ?

[Terry Blanton]

If you can land an unmanned rocket on a drone ship in the ocean, no reason
you can't drop a small tungsten rod from a Starlink satellite through the
brain of a Russian general...or president.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 9:14 PM Jones Beene  wrote:

> Terry Blanton wrote:
>
>
> Surely not:
>
>
> https://cleantechnica.com/2022/03/07/would-russia-be-invading-ukraine-right-now-if-elon-musk-hadnt-shifted-the-course-of-automotive-history/
>
> As almost everyone suspects - Elon is not the kind of genius that you want
> as your enemy.
>
> For one thing the hostilities so far have cost him billions with no end in
> sight. For another, Ukraine has a lot of lithium. Therefore, it would not
> surprise us if he is already in round the clock development of a completely
> new and bizarre type of weapon that will end the conflict "naturally" and
> to the satisfaction of most of the world.
>
> With his own satellite fleet in place, for starters - the possibilities
> for taking action at the highest level, so to to speak, yet with "plausible
> deniability" seems doable if not more like fiction. Say... what kind of
> game changing weapon from SciFi  can you imagine that Elon Musk could have
> already have prototyped?
>
> Gamma laser is one. Bottom line - Do not be surprised if Vlad is struck
> down silently during one of his propaganda tirades - perhaps by cardiac
> arrest ... and in the end it looks entirely like a health issue.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:OT: Why Chernobyl ?

[Jones Beene]

Terry Blanton wrote: 
 
 Surely not:
https://cleantechnica.com/2022/03/07/would-russia-be-invading-ukraine-right-now-if-elon-musk-hadnt-shifted-the-course-of-automotive-history/
As almost everyone suspects - Elon is not the kind of genius that you want as 
your enemy. 

For one thing the hostilities so far have cost him billions with no end in 
sight. For another, Ukraine has a lot of lithium. Therefore, it would not 
surprise us if he is already in round the clock development of a completely new 
and bizarre type of weapon that will end the conflict "naturally" and to the 
satisfaction of most of the world.

With his own satellite fleet in place, for starters - the possibilities for 
taking action at the highest level, so to to speak, yet with "plausible 
deniability" seems doable if not more like fiction. Say... what kind of game 
changing weapon from SciFi  can you imagine that Elon Musk could have already 
have prototyped?
Gamma laser is one. Bottom line - Do not be surprised if Vlad is struck down 
silently during one of his propaganda tirades - perhaps by cardiac arrest ... 
and in the end it looks entirely like a health issue. 





  


  

Re: [Vo]:OT: Why Chernobyl ?

[Terry Blanton]

Surely not:

https://cleantechnica.com/2022/03/07/would-russia-be-invading-ukraine-right-now-if-elon-musk-hadnt-shifted-the-course-of-automotive-history/

On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 3:25 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:

> Not to mention lithium:
>
>
> https://gmk.center/en/news/european-lithium-to-buy-ukrainian-lithium-mines-in-a-year/
>
> On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 3:00 PM Jones Beene  wrote:
>
>>
>> *Ukraine is about the size of Texas and has a population of over 40
>> million. *
>>
>> *In terms of economic potential - Ukraine ranks:*
>>
>> *1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores*
>>
>> *2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in terms of titanium ore
>> reserves*
>>
>> *2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores *
>>
>> *2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons)*
>>
>> *2nd place in Europe in terms of mercury ore reserves*
>>
>> *3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in shale gas reserves (22
>> trillion cubic meters)*
>>
>> *4th in the world by the total value of natural resources*
>>
>> *7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons)*
>>
>> *Ukraine is an important agricultural country:*
>>
>> *1st in Europe in terms of arable land area*
>>
>> *3rd place in the world by the area of black soil (25% of world's volume)*
>>
>> *1st place in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil*
>>
>> *2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley
>> exports*
>>
>> *3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world*
>>
>> *4th largest producer of potatoes in the world*
>>
>> *5th largest rye producer in the world*
>>
>> *5th place in the world in bee production (75,000 tons)*
>>
>> *8th place in the world in wheat exports*
>>
>> *9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs*
>>
>> *16th place in the world in cheese exports*
>>
>> *Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people.*
>>
>> *1st in Europe in ammonia production*
>>
>> *Europe's 2nd’s and the world’s 4th largest natural gas pipeline system*
>>
>> *3rd largest in Europe and 8th largest in the world in terms of installed
>> capacity of nuclear power plants*
>>
>> *3rd place in Europe and 11th in the world in terms of rail network
>> length (21,700 km)*
>>
>> *3rd largest iron exporter in the world*
>>
>> *4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world*
>>
>> *4th world's largest manufacturer of rocket launchers*
>> *10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons)*
>>
>>
>> *... not sure how accurate this list is - but I bet Vlad knows for
>> sure...*
>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:OT: Why Chernobyl ?

[Terry Blanton]

Not to mention lithium:

https://gmk.center/en/news/european-lithium-to-buy-ukrainian-lithium-mines-in-a-year/

On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 3:00 PM Jones Beene  wrote:

>
> *Ukraine is about the size of Texas and has a population of over 40
> million. *
>
> *In terms of economic potential - Ukraine ranks:*
>
> *1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores*
>
> *2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in terms of titanium ore
> reserves*
>
> *2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores *
>
> *2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons)*
>
> *2nd place in Europe in terms of mercury ore reserves*
>
> *3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in shale gas reserves (22
> trillion cubic meters)*
>
> *4th in the world by the total value of natural resources*
>
> *7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons)*
>
> *Ukraine is an important agricultural country:*
>
> *1st in Europe in terms of arable land area*
>
> *3rd place in the world by the area of black soil (25% of world's volume)*
>
> *1st place in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil*
>
> *2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley
> exports*
>
> *3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world*
>
> *4th largest producer of potatoes in the world*
>
> *5th largest rye producer in the world*
>
> *5th place in the world in bee production (75,000 tons)*
>
> *8th place in the world in wheat exports*
>
> *9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs*
>
> *16th place in the world in cheese exports*
>
> *Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people.*
>
> *1st in Europe in ammonia production*
>
> *Europe's 2nd’s and the world’s 4th largest natural gas pipeline system*
>
> *3rd largest in Europe and 8th largest in the world in terms of installed
> capacity of nuclear power plants*
>
> *3rd place in Europe and 11th in the world in terms of rail network length
> (21,700 km)*
>
> *3rd largest iron exporter in the world*
>
> *4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world*
>
> *4th world's largest manufacturer of rocket launchers*
> *10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons)*
>
>
> *... not sure how accurate this list is - but I bet Vlad knows for sure...*
>
>

Re: [Vo]:OT: Why Chernobyl ?

[Jones Beene]

Ukraine is about the size of Texas and has a population of over 40 million. 

In terms of economic potential - Ukraine ranks:
1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores

2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in terms of titanium ore 
reserves
2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores 

2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons)

2nd place in Europe in terms of mercury ore reserves

3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in shale gas reserves (22 
trillion cubic meters)

4th in the world by the total value of natural resources

7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons)

Ukraine is an important agricultural country:

1st in Europe in terms of arable land area

3rd place in the world by the area of black soil (25% of world's volume)

1st place in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil

2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley exports

3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world

4th largest producer of potatoes in the world

5th largest rye producer in the world

5th place in the world in bee production (75,000 tons)

8th place in the world in wheat exports

9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs

16th place in the world in cheese exports

Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people.

1st in Europe in ammonia production

Europe's 2nd’s and the world’s 4th largest natural gas pipeline system

3rd largest in Europe and 8th largest in the world in terms of installed 
capacity of nuclear power plants

3rd place in Europe and 11th in the world in terms of rail network length 
(21,700 km)

3rd largest iron exporter in the world

4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world

4th world's largest manufacturer of rocket launchers
10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons)
... not sure how accurate this list is - but I bet Vlad knows for sure...

  

Re: [Vo]:OT: Why Chernobyl ?

[Andrew Meulenberg]

Excellent talk and pertains to the present as well.

On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 7:34 AM  wrote:

> Jurg,
>
>
>
> You might watch this professor of international affairs who is very
> learned about the Ukraine. https://youtu.be/JrMiSQAGOS4
>
>
>
> Russ
>
>
>
> *From:* Jürg Wyttenbach 
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 24, 2022 5:04 PM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:OT: Why Chernobyl ?
>
>
>
> Putin is obviously suffering from Chemotherapy!
>
>
>
> The videos from the most recent meetings did show that he has problems
> with walking/coordination. It also did fear infection.
>
> So the question is whether his brain is damaged or he just wants a revenge
> for all his failed politics like Maidan.
>
> Tschernobyl is an empty space thus an ideal protected basis. All reactors
> are shut since quite some time (2015).
>
> J.W.
>
> On 24.02.2022 22:52, bobcook39...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> It is u[ wind of Russia and Bellarus and a threat if it leaks into staging
> areas for the invas
>
>
>
> FRC
>
>
>
> *From: *Jones Beene 
> *Sent: *Thursday, February 24, 2022 1:38 PM
> *To: *vortex 
> *Subject: *[Vo]:OT: Why Chernobyl ?
>
>
>
> Many observers were surprised that one of the first Ukraine invasion
> targets for Russia was the cursed Chernobyl site.
>
>
>
> Why ?
>
>
>
> Given that the bottom line is going to be very costly for Putin - there
> must be a hidden agenda here.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Jürg Wyttenbach
>
> Bifangstr. 22
>
> 8910 Affoltern am Albis
>
>
>
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Re: [Vo]:OT: Why Chernobyl ?

[Jones Beene]

 russ.geo...@gmail.com wrote: 

> You might watch this professor of international affairs who is very learned 
> about the Ukraine. https://youtu.be/JrMiSQAGOS4
 Very prophetic. If we "follow the buck" the main overall motivation for 
invasion, as always, seems to be oil.
There could be a subplot however - given the history of the region. "Buck" has 
several meanings besides money.
Going back almost 20 years to earlier conflicts in the former Soviet republics 
(e.g. the other Georgia) materials for a so-called "dirty bomb" were found - 
there are alarming similarities.

https://americanintelligence.us/dirty-bomb-materials-siezed-in-georgia/
Chernobyl of course is a prime resource for materials for such a "payback" 
weapon. It may be too late to change that situation - but the beautiful Moscow 
subway would not be a smart place to visit until this situation is resolved.

  

RE: [Vo]:OT: Why Chernobyl ?

[russ.george]

Jurg,

 

You might watch this professor of international affairs who is very learned 
about the Ukraine. https://youtu.be/JrMiSQAGOS4

 

Russ

 

From: Jürg Wyttenbach  
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2022 5:04 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: Why Chernobyl ?

 

Putin is obviously suffering from Chemotherapy!

 

The videos from the most recent meetings did show that he has problems with 
walking/coordination. It also did fear infection.

So the question is whether his brain is damaged or he just wants a revenge for 
all his failed politics like Maidan.

Tschernobyl is an empty space thus an ideal protected basis. All reactors are 
shut since quite some time (2015). 

J.W.

On 24.02.2022 22:52, bobcook39...@hotmail.com <mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com> 
 wrote:

It is u[ wind of Russia and Bellarus and a threat if it leaks into staging 
areas for the invas

 

FRC

 

From: Jones Beene <mailto:jone...@pacbell.net> 
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2022 1:38 PM
To: vortex <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> 
Subject: [Vo]:OT: Why Chernobyl ?

 

Many observers were surprised that one of the first Ukraine invasion targets 
for Russia was the cursed Chernobyl site. 

 

Why ? 

 

Given that the bottom line is going to be very costly for Putin - there must be 
a hidden agenda here.

 

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Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr. 22
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Re: [Vo]:OT: Why Chernobyl ?

[Terry Blanton]

Simple, it's on the way to Kyiv from Belarus.

On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 5:03 PM Jürg Wyttenbach  wrote:

> Putin is obviously suffering from Chemotherapy!
>
>
> The videos from the most recent meetings did show that he has problems
> with walking/coordination. It also did fear infection.
>
> So the question is whether his brain is damaged or he just wants a revenge
> for all his failed politics like Maidan.
>
> Tschernobyl is an empty space thus an ideal protected basis. All reactors
> are shut since quite some time (2015).
>
> J.W.
> On 24.02.2022 22:52, bobcook39...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> It is u[ wind of Russia and Bellarus and a threat if it leaks into staging
> areas for the invas
>
>
>
> FRC
>
>
>
> *From: *Jones Beene 
> *Sent: *Thursday, February 24, 2022 1:38 PM
> *To: *vortex 
> *Subject: *[Vo]:OT: Why Chernobyl ?
>
>
>
> Many observers were surprised that one of the first Ukraine invasion
> targets for Russia was the cursed Chernobyl site.
>
>
>
> Why ?
>
>
>
> Given that the bottom line is going to be very costly for Putin - there
> must be a hidden agenda here.
>
>
>
> --
> Jürg Wyttenbach
> Bifangstr. 22
> 8910 Affoltern am Albis
>
> +41 44 760 14 18
> +41 79 246 36 06
>
>

Re: [Vo]:OT: Why Chernobyl ?

[Jürg Wyttenbach]

Putin is obviously suffering from Chemotherapy!


The videos from the most recent meetings did show that he has problems 
with walking/coordination. It also did fear infection.


So the question is whether his brain is damaged or he just wants a 
revenge for all his failed politics like Maidan.


Tschernobyl is an empty space thus an ideal protected basis. All 
reactors are shut since quite some time (2015).


J.W.

On 24.02.2022 22:52, bobcook39...@hotmail.com wrote:


It is u[ wind of Russia and Bellarus and a threat if it leaks into 
staging areas for the invas


FRC

*From: *Jones Beene 
*Sent: *Thursday, February 24, 2022 1:38 PM
*To: *vortex 
*Subject: *[Vo]:OT: Why Chernobyl ?

Many observers were surprised that one of the first Ukraine invasion 
targets for Russia was the cursed Chernobyl site.


Why ?

Given that the bottom line is going to be very costly for Putin - 
there must be a hidden agenda here.



--
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr. 22
8910 Affoltern am Albis

+41 44 760 14 18
+41 79 246 36 06

RE: [Vo]:OT: Why Chernobyl ?

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

It is u[ wind of Russia and Bellarus and a threat if it leaks into staging 
areas for the invas

FRC

From: Jones Beene
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2022 1:38 PM
To: vortex
Subject: [Vo]:OT: Why Chernobyl ?

Many observers were surprised that one of the first Ukraine invasion targets 
for Russia was the cursed Chernobyl site.

Why ?

Given that the bottom line is going to be very costly for Putin - there must be 
a hidden agenda here.