Re: [Vo]:Rossi's behavior is more tragic than deceptive
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Who knows what to make of it. I am sure that NI is really working on it. Their VP wrote to Forbes, after all. Or they were working on it . . . Maybe Rossi threw them out. It would be better to be more precise. The VP of NI wrote a news release of a general nature saying that they assist many companies in fitting control systems to their products including Rossi's. That makes Rossi a customer of NI's and nothing more. And there are millions of those. Nothing about working with NI or what the VP wrote lends the slightest credibility to Rossi's claims.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi's behavior is more tragic than deceptive
Mary, NI is not publishing _such_ a press release on any NI customer (again: Remember the mentioning of CERN / LHC in the same section as Leonardo Corporation). We had this topic here before. Wolf On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Who knows what to make of it. I am sure that NI is really working on it. Their VP wrote to Forbes, after all. Or they were working on it . . . Maybe Rossi threw them out. It would be better to be more precise. The VP of NI wrote a news release of a general nature saying that they assist many companies in fitting control systems to their products including Rossi's. That makes Rossi a customer of NI's and nothing more. And there are millions of those. Nothing about working with NI or what the VP wrote lends the slightest credibility to Rossi's claims.
RE: [Vo]:Rossi's behavior is more tragic than deceptive
Have to agree with Mary on this one. The only NI statement's that I've seen were of a general nature. NI has a lot of customers in the high energy physics world, and other hi-tech environments. I've used they data acquisition modules a number of times (love the LAN-based high resolution DAQ module), and can see why they've been able to get their products into hi-tech areas. I highly doubt that NI would be actively involved, on a daily basis, with Rossi. Perhaps they would send an Applications Engineer to his location to advise them on proper use and configuration of their equipment, but that is all. It is even more unlikely that they would make any kind of endorsement. -Mark From: Mary Yugo [mailto:maryyu...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 11:44 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi's behavior is more tragic than deceptive On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Who knows what to make of it. I am sure that NI is really working on it. Their VP wrote to Forbes, after all. Or they were working on it . . . Maybe Rossi threw them out. It would be better to be more precise. The VP of NI wrote a news release of a general nature saying that they assist many companies in fitting control systems to their products including Rossi's. That makes Rossi a customer of NI's and nothing more. And there are millions of those. Nothing about working with NI or what the VP wrote lends the slightest credibility to Rossi's claims.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi's behavior is more tragic than deceptive
Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Have to agree with Mary on this one… ** ** The only NI statement’s that I’ve seen were of a general nature. NI has a lot of customers in the high energy physics world, and other hi-tech environments. A VP of NI wrote a letter to Forbes confirming the relationship. Yes, NI has millions of customers as Mary Yogo said, but they do not write millions of letters to Forbes. They would only do this for a customer they consider important. If it was just some guy who bought Lab View they would not confirm or deny it, even if he registered his name in the customer database. The people at NI are not fools. They know that Rossi is controversial. They would not confirm the relationship without careful consideration and deep knowledge of what he is doing. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi's behavior is more tragic than deceptive
Maybe they just got tired of the hundreds, if not thousands of annoying emails and phone calls from Rossi's fans, demanding a detailed accounting of just how great Rossi's invention really is? It isn't at all unusual for a company to release a statement on an issue that is generating more than typical interest. NI made the most insignificant acknowledgement possible (other than Never heard of the guy!). And that was only after Rossi's fans and associates generated considerable hype about the relationship. From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi's behavior is more tragic than deceptive Yes, NI has millions of customers as Mary Yogo said, but they do not write millions of letters to Forbes. They would only do this for a customer they consider important. If it was just some guy who bought Lab View they would not confirm or deny it, even if he registered his name in the customer database. The people at NI are not fools. They know that Rossi is controversial. They would not confirm the relationship without careful consideration and deep knowledge of what he is doing. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi's behavior is more tragic than deceptive
All I can find is this: There are thousands of researchers and engineers in the world trying to solve alternative energy challenges and National Instruments provides tools to many of these scientists. One example is the Leonardo Corporation who intends to use NI tools for various applications. Specific details are still in development. That says Rossi intends to eventually become a NI customer. So NI hasn't even confirmed a business relation - much less any knowledge of what Rossi is doing, let alone deep knowledge. Von: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 21:29 Donnerstag, 19.Januar 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Rossi's behavior is more tragic than deceptive Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Have to agree with Mary on this one… The only NI statement’s that I’ve seen were of a general nature. NI has a lot of customers in the high energy physics world, and other hi-tech environments. A VP of NI wrote a letter to Forbes confirming the relationship. Yes, NI has millions of customers as Mary Yogo said, but they do not write millions of letters to Forbes. They would only do this for a customer they consider important. If it was just some guy who bought Lab View they would not confirm or deny it, even if he registered his name in the customer database. The people at NI are not fools. They know that Rossi is controversial. They would not confirm the relationship without careful consideration and deep knowledge of what he is doing. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi's behavior is more tragic than deceptive
As long as Rossi pays for NI's hardware and software they are probably satisfied and don't mind the free advertising. They do not require a deep knowledge of what he is doing or even if his reactor works or not. On Thursday, January 19, 2012, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Have to agree with Mary on this one… The only NI statement’s that I’ve seen were of a general nature. NI has a lot of customers in the high energy physics world, and other hi-tech environments. A VP of NI wrote a letter to Forbes confirming the relationship. Yes, NI has millions of customers as Mary Yogo said, but they do not write millions of letters to Forbes. They would only do this for a customer they consider important. If it was just some guy who bought Lab View they would not confirm or deny it, even if he registered his name in the customer database. The people at NI are not fools. They know that Rossi is controversial. They would not confirm the relationship without careful consideration and deep knowledge of what he is doing. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi's behavior is more tragic than deceptive
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: As long as Rossi pays for NI's hardware and software they are probably satisfied and don't mind the free advertising. This would be the worst advertising imaginable!!! What corporation wants to be associated with Rossi? Do a Google search and you find hundreds of attacks against him. Check his background and you find it is dripping in scandal. This is NOT good PR for NI. Not, not, *not*. If I were them, I would not respond to Forbes, or I would say we can't comment on whether we are in a relationship with this company. They do not require a deep knowledge of what he is doing or even if his reactor works or not. If they do not have deep knowledge they are crazy to let themselves be associated it. John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com wrote: Maybe they just got tired of the hundreds, if not thousands of annoying emails and phone calls from Rossi's fans, demanding a detailed accounting of just how great Rossi's invention really is? In that case, all they have to do is issue a statement saying no comment. Or, as I said, we never talk about customer relationships of this nature. A company that is annoyed will deny everything and make no more comments. The lady in charge of PR at the company issued a statement about Rossi. So did a VP of development. Believe me, NI is aware of this at highest levels. As Mary Yugo pointed out, they have millions of customers. The VP does not know them all by name, and will not make statements about 999,900 of these customers. It isn't at all unusual for a company to release a statement on an issue that is generating more than typical interest. It is unusual for any company anywhere to make any statement pertaining to cold fusion. *Extremely* unusual! NI made the most insignificant acknowledgement possible . . . Nonsense. I can think up any number of less significant acknowledgement, starting with no comment. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi's behavior is more tragic than deceptive
Very good points Jed. Man - this has been the most fascinating day on Vortex in quite some time. On 01/19/2012 04:46 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com mailto:cheme...@gmail.com wrote: As long as Rossi pays for NI's hardware and software they are probably satisfied and don't mind the free advertising. This would be the worst advertising imaginable!!! What corporation wants to be associated with Rossi? Do a Google search and you find hundreds of attacks against him. Check his background and you find it is dripping in scandal. This is NOT good PR for NI. Not, not, _not_. If I were them, I would not respond to Forbes, or I would say we can't comment on whether we are in a relationship with this company. They do not require a deep knowledge of what he is doing or even if his reactor works or not. If they do not have deep knowledge they are crazy to let themselves be associated it. John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com mailto:john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com wrote: Maybe they just got tired of the hundreds, if not thousands of annoying emails and phone calls from Rossi's fans, demanding a detailed accounting of just how great Rossi's invention really is? In that case, all they have to do is issue a statement saying no comment. Or, as I said, we never talk about customer relationships of this nature. A company that is annoyed will deny everything and make no more comments. The lady in charge of PR at the company issued a statement about Rossi. So did a VP of development. Believe me, NI is aware of this at highest levels. As Mary Yugo pointed out, they have millions of customers. The VP does not know them all by name, and will not make statements about 999,900 of these customers. It isn't at all unusual for a company to release a statement on an issue that is generating more than typical interest. It is unusual for any company anywhere to make any statement pertaining to cold fusion. _Extremely_ unusual! NI made the most insignificant acknowledgement possible . . . Nonsense. I can think up any number of less significant acknowledgement, starting with no comment. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi's behavior is more tragic than deceptive
Jed, Great statement! And (just to point this one out again): The cherry on the pie in the press release is the mentioning of CERN / LHC in the sentence prior to the one about Leonardo Corporation / Rossi. Wolf Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com mailto:cheme...@gmail.com wrote: As long as Rossi pays for NI's hardware and software they are probably satisfied and don't mind the free advertising. This would be the worst advertising imaginable!!! What corporation wants to be associated with Rossi? Do a Google search and you find hundreds of attacks against him. Check his background and you find it is dripping in scandal. This is NOT good PR for NI. Not, not, _not_. If I were them, I would not respond to Forbes, or I would say we can't comment on whether we are in a relationship with this company. They do not require a deep knowledge of what he is doing or even if his reactor works or not. If they do not have deep knowledge they are crazy to let themselves be associated it. John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com mailto:john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com wrote: Maybe they just got tired of the hundreds, if not thousands of annoying emails and phone calls from Rossi's fans, demanding a detailed accounting of just how great Rossi's invention really is? In that case, all they have to do is issue a statement saying no comment. Or, as I said, we never talk about customer relationships of this nature. A company that is annoyed will deny everything and make no more comments. The lady in charge of PR at the company issued a statement about Rossi. So did a VP of development. Believe me, NI is aware of this at highest levels. As Mary Yugo pointed out, they have millions of customers. The VP does not know them all by name, and will not make statements about 999,900 of these customers. It isn't at all unusual for a company to release a statement on an issue that is generating more than typical interest. It is unusual for any company anywhere to make any statement pertaining to cold fusion. _Extremely_ unusual! NI made the most insignificant acknowledgement possible . . . Nonsense. I can think up any number of less significant acknowledgement, starting with no comment. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi's behavior is more tragic than deceptive
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: I respect your unwavering support for Rossi . . . If this is unwavering support what could I say to insult him?!? Your statement is absurd. but I totally disagree that using a NI control system lends any great credibilty to him. NI will sell system hardware and software to anyone that will pay, you can order online. Yes. And when you pay online, does the head of PR and a VP development write to a leading business magazine informing them of your purchase? They must be busy. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:Rossi's behavior is more tragic than deceptive
National Instruments did not initiate a press release. Check the original source at: http://pesn.com/2011/11/10/9601953_National_Instruments_signs_to_do_E-Cat_controls/ Enquiries to National Instruments from the likes of Sterling Allen prompted their press release (upon Rossi's approval/request). They had no intention of releasing their own press release until they were prompted to. Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 23:45:58 -0500 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi's behavior is more tragic than deceptive From: jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: I respect your unwavering support for Rossi . . . If this is unwavering support what could I say to insult him?!? Your statement is absurd. but I totally disagree that using a NI control system lends any great credibilty to him. NI will sell system hardware and software to anyone that will pay, you can order online. Yes. And when you pay online, does the head of PR and a VP development write to a leading business magazine informing them of your purchase? They must be busy. - Jed
