RE: [Vo]:Understanding BLP: Chapter Two

2014-01-23 Thread Mike Carrell 
Bingo! That's the guy. He sold the company, I 'm happy that it still exists,
but O/U performance is not claimed; it's just a good heater for wastewater.
J. Mike Carrell

 

From: Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. [mailto:hoyt-stea...@cox.net] 
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 1:31 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Understanding BLP: Chapter Two

 

That's gotta be the Griggs Hydrosonic Pump, still in production I think.

 

 

From: Mike Carrell [mailto:mi...@medleas.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 11:23 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Understanding BLP: Chapter Two

 

Years ago an industrial water heater was marketed sing cavitation. The sales
point was that it could use wastewater, but tests showed that it was an
over-unity device. Over-unity was not 'claimed'. I don't know if they are
still in business.  Several investigators in the CF field used cavitation as
a mode.

 

Mills, in his work over the years has collected hydrinos in liquid-nitrogen
trap and solid fuels; verified by independent laboratories. His methods and
experiments have no relation to the Papp device. As far as I know, the
physics/chemistry of the Papp device has not been clarified or duplicated.
It remains an engaging topic for speculation.

 

Mike Carrell

 

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 2:16 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Understanding BLP: Chapter Two

 

The cavitation experiments by LeClair show that water subjected to plasma
cooling will produce nanoparticles of solid water formed from cooling water
plasma.

 

These small crystalline particles are the active agent in many water based
nanoplasmonic LENR reactions including cavitation.

 

I believe that water that has undergone of period of cavitation or spark
discharge will contain sufficient numbers of nanoparticles to demonstrate
Papp like water explosions when subjected to intense photon irradiation.

 

http://en.wikipedia..org/wiki/Molecular_sieve
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_sieve> 

 

A molecular sieve is a material with very small holes of precise and uniform
size. These holes are small enough to block large molecules while allowing
small molecules to pass. Many molecular sieves are used as
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desiccant> desiccants. Some examples include
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activated_charcoal> Activated charcoal and
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silica_gel> silica gel

 

As in the movie
<http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=
0CEgQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FThe_Andromeda_Strain&ei
=kxLgUoT_BOLjsAT-7IKQDw&usg=AFQjCNGjp3IWIwQyDUQcRJrZCUZFU8S53A&sig2=AnTTdlHO
b36ZT1F6_3KZ-A&bvm=bv.59568121,d.cWc> The Andromeda Strain, these sieves can
remove the Nano crystals from the cooled plasma flow,  If hydrinos exist,
they will not be filtered out of the condensed water. If the active agent is
the nanoparticles, then the reaction will stop. 

 

To prove this, Mills can use a proper sized molecular sieve to determine
experimentally that hydrinos are the active agent in the Mills reaction (AKA
the Papp reaction and/or the LeClair reaction and/or the Santilli reaction} 

 

On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Mike Carrell  wrote:

I am pleased by the stir created by my previous post on this thread. I also
now have a better understanding of the BLP posts. Readers have been fixated
on the press release and the patent application and overlooked the paper
"Solid Fuels that Form HOH Catalyst" which contains the key  to
understanding.

 

HOH designates *nascent H2O* which must be formed by a chemical reaction
apart from fluid water to have energy level necessary for catalysis. Several
molecules are cited. When fluid water is added, and the mass elevated to an
activation temperature, HOH is formed and available H atoms are induced to
the hydrino state with intense release of energy. This is tested in the
paper.

 

The BLP device forms pellets which are hydrated and then placed in a
reaction chamber where a short, powerful pulse of electric current elevates
the pellet to the activation temperature, causing an explosive release of
energy which is to be captured by an MHD coverter.

 

The megawatts of power cited in the press release is scientifically
accurate, but easily misunderstood in a rush to judgment based on cursory
inspection. Apparently the pellet is not destroyed and can be rehydrated and
reused, so it s not a consumable.

 

The patent application has an illustration of two cylinder reciprocating
engine. I believe that is a 'placeholder' against anyone who claims
something of the sort as an implementation of the BLP process.

 

Members of Vortex may see a semblance to the earlier work of Papp and
Stanley Meyer who produced dramatic demonstrations that could not be
explained or duplicated.

RE: [Vo]:Understanding BLP: Chapter Two

2014-01-23 Thread Mike Carrell 
Dave,, it has been a long time and my memory is a b it hazy. You might ask Jed 
Rothwell for more details. This guy was a careful engineer who built a device 
consisting of a large cylinder rotating in a close enclosure by a husky motor. 
The drum hat pits on its periphery to created turbulence. His idea was to heat 
wastewater without a boiler such that contaminants would not matter. As part of 
his tests, he provided an in-line dynamometer so he could measure the 
mechanical power input to the rotor. He had multiple thermometer measuring the 
inlet and out let temperatures, and a flowmeter. He was surprised that his 
measurements indicated over-unity performance. He approached Gene Mallove for 
an explanation. Gene was then operating a small testing laboratory for ‘new 
energy’ inventors. Gene bought a copy of the device with a grant from Arthur C. 
Clarke ans set it up in his lab. As received, the ekectric motor axis and the 
drum axis were not in sufficient alignment to safely operate the machine, and 
there was no in-line dynamometer, so it sat idle. Some time later a pair of 
guys surface with a ‘kinetic Furnace’ which thought to O?U. Gene’s guys made 
considerable effort in testing, concluding that O/U performance could not be 
verified. It was written up in Infinite Energy magazine. Some copies might 
still be available. About the same time a company in Russia was selling a space 
heater fir rooms with a motor-driven cavitator to heat the water. O/U was 
claimed, but no independent measurements were made. Other experiments with 
cavitation centered on high velocities when a bubble collapsed. I even saw a 
well-done experiment entered into a Philadelphia science fair where I was a 
judge. There is more ‘lore’ but no definite outcome. 

 

Mike

 

From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 1:38 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Understanding BLP: Chapter Two

 

Mike, do you believe that those older cavitation devices operated at over 
unity?  My main concern is that it is so difficult to make accurate 
measurements of that type when the answer is so very close to 1.  Too bad the 
effective gain was not significantly higher.  That would make our lives a lot 
easier unless we happened to be too close to one of those devices exhibiting 
too much gain!  :-) 

 

Dave



-Original Message-
From: Mike Carrell 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Thu, Jan 23, 2014 1:23 pm
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Understanding BLP: Chapter Two

Years ago an industrial water heater was marketed sing cavitation. The sales 
point was that it could use wastewater, but tests showed that it was an 
over-unity device. Over-unity was not ‘claimed’. I don’t know if they are still 
in business.  Several investigators in the CF field used cavitation as a mode.

 

Mills, in his work over the years has collected hydrinos in liquid-nitrogen 
trap and solid fuels; verified by independent laboratories. His methods and 
experiments have no relation to the Papp device. As far as I know, the 
physics/chemistry of the Papp device has not been clarified or duplicated. It 
remains an engaging topic for speculation.

 

Mike Carrell

 

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com <mailto:janap...@gmail.com?> ] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 2:16 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Understanding BLP: Chapter Two

 

The cavitation experiments by LeClair show that water subjected to plasma 
cooling will produce nanoparticles of solid water formed from cooling water 
plasma.

 

These small crystalline particles are the active agent in many water based 
nanoplasmonic LENR reactions including cavitation.

 

I believe that water that has undergone of period of cavitation or spark 
discharge will contain sufficient numbers of nanoparticles to demonstrate Papp 
like water explosions when subjected to intense photon irradiation.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_sieve

 

A molecular sieve is a material with very small holes of precise and uniform 
size. These holes are small enough to block large molecules while allowing 
small molecules to pass. Many molecular sieves are used as  
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desiccant> desiccants. Some examples include  
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activated_charcoal> Activated charcoal and  
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silica_gel> silica gel

 

As in the movie  
<http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=0CEgQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FThe_Andromeda_Strain&ei=kxLgUoT_BOLjsAT-7IKQDw&usg=AFQjCNGjp3IWIwQyDUQcRJrZCUZFU8S53A&sig2=AnTTdlHOb36ZT1F6_3KZ-A&bvm=bv.59568121,d.cWc>
 The Andromeda Strain, these sieves can remove the Nano crystals from the 
cooled plasma flow,  If hydrinos exist, they will not be filtered out of the 
condensed water. If the active agent is the nanoparticles, then the reaction 
will stop. 

 

To prove this,

Re: [Vo]:Understanding BLP: Chapter Two

2014-01-23 Thread Axil Axil 
What path both Papp and Gries have done is not ignite( implying
combustion), they have produced supersonic expansion of plasma under spark
discharge.

That is exactly what Mills will demonstrate.

Like you, the world class patent expert was not aware that a public
discloser of the plasma expansion process under electric arc stimulation
has be publically demonstrated. Sorry.




On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Mike Carrell  wrote:

> What matters with patents is the specific wording of claims. Mills has on
> his board of directors a world-class expert in intellectual property.
> Igniting hydrogen with a spark in itself is not patentable: What Mills is
> doing is much more than that.
>
> Mike Carrell
>
>
>
> *From:* ChemE Stewart [mailto:cheme...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 23, 2014 3:09 PM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Understanding BLP: Chapter Two
>
>
>
> I am no patent atty but I think the US Law changed last year from first to
> disclose to first to file, or something to that effect...
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
> Russ Gries has publically documented his experiment on the spark induced
> explosive expansion of hydrogen on YouTube. Under the new U.S. patent laws,
> doesn’t that give Russ the first to reveal patent rights to that process?
>
>
>
> Papp has the water IP rights tied down back in the 70's.
>
>
>
> That gives Mills nowhere to go for IP rights it seems to me.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
> *As far as I know, the physics/chemistry of the Papp device has not been
> clarified or duplicated.*
>
> For your information, the explosive expansion of hydrogen, helium, and
> mixed noble gases have been demonstrated by Both Bob Rohner and Russ Gries
> among others in a cylinder/piston format. Russ has produced a theory paper.
>
>
> As of today, nobody has proved overunity power production (besides Papp)
> from this explosive plasma expansion including Mills.
>
> The energy gain in this water/hydrogen/spark combo must be low because of
> the amount of engineering care that must be applied to get the COP of such
> a system over one.
>
> *Mills, in his work over the years has collected hydrinos in
> liquid-nitrogen trap and solid fuels; verified by independent laboratories*.
>
>
> This information is exciting. If you would be so kind, explain to me how
> these hydrinos are judged to be solely atoms and not atomic clusters,
> include how Mills can tell the difference between atoms and small atomic
> clusters in the material that he has isolated.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> This Email has been scanned for all viruses by Medford Leas I.T.
> Department.
>
>

RE: [Vo]:Understanding BLP: Chapter Two

2014-01-23 Thread Mike Carrell 
What matters with patents is the specific wording of claims. Mills has on
his board of directors a world-class expert in intellectual property.
Igniting hydrogen with a spark in itself is not patentable: What Mills is
doing is much more than that. 

Mike Carrell 

 

From: ChemE Stewart [mailto:cheme...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 3:09 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Understanding BLP: Chapter Two

 

I am no patent atty but I think the US Law changed last year from first to
disclose to first to file, or something to that effect...

 

On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

Russ Gries has publically documented his experiment on the spark induced
explosive expansion of hydrogen on YouTube. Under the new U.S. patent laws,
doesn't that give Russ the first to reveal patent rights to that process?

 

Papp has the water IP rights tied down back in the 70's.

 

That gives Mills nowhere to go for IP rights it seems to me.

 


 


 

On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

As far as I know, the physics/chemistry of the Papp device has not been
clarified or duplicated.

For your information, the explosive expansion of hydrogen, helium, and mixed
noble gases have been demonstrated by Both Bob Rohner and Russ Gries among
others in a cylinder/piston format. Russ has produced a theory paper.


As of today, nobody has proved overunity power production (besides Papp)
from this explosive plasma expansion including Mills.

The energy gain in this water/hydrogen/spark combo must be low because of
the amount of engineering care that must be applied to get the COP of such a
system over one.

Mills, in his work over the years has collected hydrinos in liquid-nitrogen
trap and solid fuels; verified by independent laboratories. 

This information is exciting. If you would be so kind, explain to me how
these hydrinos are judged to be solely atoms and not atomic clusters,
include how Mills can tell the difference between atoms and small atomic
clusters in the material that he has isolated.

 

 



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Re: [Vo]:Understanding BLP: Chapter Two

2014-01-23 Thread Axil Axil 
FYI
Implementation of the Leahy-Smith America Invents Act

The U.S. patent system has granted patents to the person who could
substantiate that they were the “first to invent.” Fairly liberal
mechanisms existed that created a “grace period” allowing inventors to
receive patents from applications filed up to 12 months after public
disclosure of their invention.

The recently enacted law will soon shift the U.S. patent system to a
“first-to-file” system, more closely aligned to the patent practices in the
rest of the world. In many foreign jurisdictions, any public disclosure
prior to the filing of a patent application renders the invention
unpatentable. The new patent law brings the U.S. very close to this
situation.
Public Disclosure May Negate Patent Rights

A long-standing requirement in U.S. patent law is that inventions must be
“novel,” meaning the claimed invention must be different from what has
already been discovered, invented, published, sold, or previously known or
used by another (referred to in patent law as “prior art”). Under the new
law, this requirement will be more strictly enforced with respect to
“public disclosures,” so that any information that is available to the
public prior to the filing date of the application is considered prior art.
What is a Public Disclosure?

A “disclosure” may include written documents (e.g., manuscripts, book
chapters, theses, journal articles, posters, abstracts, grant proposals,
etc.), oral communications (e.g., thesis defenses, seminars, or meetings),
public use of research materials and prototypes, or sale or offer for sale
of research materials and prototypes.

Presentations to fellow researchers and students are generally not
considered “public” disclosures, as long as the session is not open to the
public or to visitors from any companies or other institutions. Discussing
your invention with a researcher at another university or a representative
of a corporation may be considered a public disclosure, depending on what
information is shared.
Exceptions for Public Disclosures are Risky and Narrow

While some narrow exceptions exist in the new patent law regarding public
disclosures by inventors of their own work, they are complex and it is
unclear how the new law will be interpreted and applied by the USPTO.

These exceptions may not protect against third-party disclosures becoming
prior art and, therefore, are risky to rely on. It is also possible that a
person could file a patent application based largely on your public
disclosure, and even if you could prove that fact, your rights in a
subsequent patent application may be diminished. To preserve patent rights,
researchers must act with an abundance of caution and discuss all
disclosures  prior to any disclosure events.


On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 3:08 PM, ChemE Stewart  wrote:

> I am no patent atty but I think the US Law changed last year from first to
> disclose to first to file, or something to that effect...
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
>> Russ Gries has publically documented his experiment on the spark induced
>> explosive expansion of hydrogen on YouTube. Under the new U.S. patent laws,
>> doesn’t that give Russ the first to reveal patent rights to that process?
>>
>>
>>
>> Papp has the water IP rights tied down back in the 70's.
>>
>>
>>
>> That gives Mills nowhere to go for IP rights it seems to me.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>>
>>> *As far as I know, the physics/chemistry of the Papp device has not been
>>> clarified or duplicated.*
>>>
>>> For your information, the explosive expansion of hydrogen, helium, and
>>> mixed noble gases have been demonstrated by Both Bob Rohner and Russ Gries
>>> among others in a cylinder/piston format. Russ has produced a theory paper.
>>>
>>>
>>> As of today, nobody has proved overunity power production (besides Papp)
>>> from this explosive plasma expansion including Mills.
>>>
>>> The energy gain in this water/hydrogen/spark combo must be low because
>>> of the amount of engineering care that must be applied to get the COP of
>>> such a system over one.
>>>
>>> *Mills, in his work over the years has collected hydrinos in
>>> liquid-nitrogen trap and solid fuels; verified by independent laboratories*.
>>>
>>>
>>> This information is exciting. If you would be so kind, explain to me how
>>> these hydrinos are judged to be solely atoms and not atomic clusters,
>>> include how Mills can tell the difference between atoms and small atomic
>>> clusters in the material that he has isolated.
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Understanding BLP: Chapter Two

2014-01-23 Thread ChemE Stewart 
I am no patent atty but I think the US Law changed last year from first to
disclose to first to file, or something to that effect...


On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> Russ Gries has publically documented his experiment on the spark induced
> explosive expansion of hydrogen on YouTube. Under the new U.S. patent laws,
> doesn’t that give Russ the first to reveal patent rights to that process?
>
>
>
> Papp has the water IP rights tied down back in the 70's.
>
>
>
> That gives Mills nowhere to go for IP rights it seems to me.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
>> *As far as I know, the physics/chemistry of the Papp device has not been
>> clarified or duplicated.*
>>
>> For your information, the explosive expansion of hydrogen, helium, and
>> mixed noble gases have been demonstrated by Both Bob Rohner and Russ Gries
>> among others in a cylinder/piston format. Russ has produced a theory paper.
>>
>>
>> As of today, nobody has proved overunity power production (besides Papp)
>> from this explosive plasma expansion including Mills.
>>
>> The energy gain in this water/hydrogen/spark combo must be low because of
>> the amount of engineering care that must be applied to get the COP of such
>> a system over one.
>>
>> *Mills, in his work over the years has collected hydrinos in
>> liquid-nitrogen trap and solid fuels; verified by independent laboratories*.
>>
>>
>> This information is exciting. If you would be so kind, explain to me how
>> these hydrinos are judged to be solely atoms and not atomic clusters,
>> include how Mills can tell the difference between atoms and small atomic
>> clusters in the material that he has isolated.
>>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Understanding BLP: Chapter Two

2014-01-23 Thread Axil Axil 
Russ Gries has publically documented his experiment on the spark induced
explosive expansion of hydrogen on YouTube. Under the new U.S. patent laws,
doesn’t that give Russ the first to reveal patent rights to that process?



Papp has the water IP rights tied down back in the 70's.



That gives Mills nowhere to go for IP rights it seems to me.





On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> *As far as I know, the physics/chemistry of the Papp device has not been
> clarified or duplicated.*
>
> For your information, the explosive expansion of hydrogen, helium, and
> mixed noble gases have been demonstrated by Both Bob Rohner and Russ Gries
> among others in a cylinder/piston format. Russ has produced a theory paper.
>
>
> As of today, nobody has proved overunity power production (besides Papp)
> from this explosive plasma expansion including Mills.
>
> The energy gain in this water/hydrogen/spark combo must be low because of
> the amount of engineering care that must be applied to get the COP of such
> a system over one.
>
> *Mills, in his work over the years has collected hydrinos in
> liquid-nitrogen trap and solid fuels; verified by independent laboratories*.
>
>
> This information is exciting. If you would be so kind, explain to me how
> these hydrinos are judged to be solely atoms and not atomic clusters,
> include how Mills can tell the difference between atoms and small atomic
> clusters in the material that he has isolated.
>

Re: [Vo]:Understanding BLP: Chapter Two

2014-01-23 Thread Axil Axil 
*As far as I know, the physics/chemistry of the Papp device has not been
clarified or duplicated.*

For your information, the explosive expansion of hydrogen, helium, and
mixed noble gases have been demonstrated by Both Bob Rohner and Russ Gries
among others in a cylinder/piston format. Russ has produced a theory paper.


As of today, nobody has proved overunity power production (besides Papp)
from this explosive plasma expansion including Mills.

The energy gain in this water/hydrogen/spark combo must be low because of
the amount of engineering care that must be applied to get the COP of such
a system over one.

*Mills, in his work over the years has collected hydrinos in
liquid-nitrogen trap and solid fuels; verified by independent laboratories*.


This information is exciting. If you would be so kind, explain to me how
these hydrinos are judged to be solely atoms and not atomic clusters,
include how Mills can tell the difference between atoms and small atomic
clusters in the material that he has isolated.

Re: [Vo]:Understanding BLP: Chapter Two

2014-01-23 Thread David Roberson 
Mike, do you believe that those older cavitation devices operated at over 
unity?  My main concern is that it is so difficult to make accurate 
measurements of that type when the answer is so very close to 1.  Too bad the 
effective gain was not significantly higher.  That would make our lives a lot 
easier unless we happened to be too close to one of those devices exhibiting 
too much gain!  :-)


Dave



-Original Message-
From: Mike Carrell 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Thu, Jan 23, 2014 1:23 pm
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Understanding BLP: Chapter Two



Years ago an industrial water heater was marketed sing cavitation. The sales 
point was that it could use wastewater, but tests showed that it was an 
over-unity device. Over-unity was not ‘claimed’. I don’t know if they are still 
in business.  Several investigators in the CF field used cavitation as a mode.
 
Mills, in his work over the years has collected hydrinos in liquid-nitrogen 
trap and solid fuels; verified by independent laboratories. His methods and 
experiments have no relation to the Papp device. As far as I know, the 
physics/chemistry of the Papp device has not been clarified or duplicated. It 
remains an engaging topic for speculation.
 
Mike Carrell
 

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 2:16 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Understanding BLP: Chapter Two

 

The cavitation experiments by LeClair show that water subjected to plasma 
cooling will produce nanoparticles of solid water formed from cooling water 
plasma.

 

These small crystalline particles are the active agent in many water based 
nanoplasmonic LENR reactions including cavitation.

 

I believe that water that has undergone of period of cavitation or spark 
discharge will contain sufficient numbers of nanoparticles to demonstrate Papp 
like water explosions when subjected to intense photon irradiation.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_sieve

 

A molecular sieve is a material with very small holes of precise and uniform 
size. These holes are small enough to block large molecules while allowing 
small molecules to pass. Many molecular sieves are used as desiccants. Some 
examples include Activated charcoal and silica gel

 

As in the movie The Andromeda Strain, these sieves can remove the Nano crystals 
from the cooled plasma flow,  If hydrinos exist, they will not be filtered out 
of the condensed water. If the active agent is the nanoparticles, then the 
reaction will stop. 

 

To prove this, Mills can use a proper sized molecular sieve to determine 
experimentally that hydrinos are the active agent in the Mills reaction (AKA 
the Papp reaction and/or the LeClair reaction and/or the Santilli reaction} 


 

On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Mike Carrell  wrote:

I am pleased by the stir created by my previous post on this thread. I also now 
have a better understanding of the BLP posts. Readers have been fixated on the 
press release and the patent application and overlooked the paper “Solid Fuels 
that Form HOH Catalyst” which contains the key  to understanding.
 
HOH designates *nascent H2O* which must be formed by a chemical reaction apart 
from fluid water to have energy level necessary for catalysis. Several 
molecules are cited. When fluid water is added, and the mass elevated to an 
activation temperature, HOH is formed and available H atoms are induced to the 
hydrino state with intense release of energy. This is tested in the paper.
 
The BLP device forms pellets which are hydrated and then placed in a reaction 
chamber where a short, powerful pulse of electric current elevates the pellet 
to the activation temperature, causing an explosive release of energy which is 
to be captured by an MHD coverter.
 
The megawatts of power cited in the press release is scientifically accurate, 
but easily misunderstood in a rush to judgment based on cursory inspection. 
Apparently the pellet is not destroyed and can be rehydrated and reused, so it 
s not a consumable.
 
The patent application has an illustration of two cylinder reciprocating 
engine. I believe that is a ‘placeholder’ against anyone who claims something 
of the sort as an implementation of the BLP process.
 
Members of Vortex may see a semblance to the earlier work of Papp and Stanley 
Meyer who produced dramatic demonstrations that could not be explained or 
duplicated. The work of Mills has exposed a class of energetic reactions 
previously overlooked, but now elucidated by a comprehensive theory and 
experimentation and publication.
 
Mike Carrell


 



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RE: [Vo]:Understanding BLP: Chapter Two

2014-01-23 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. 
That's gotta be the Griggs Hydrosonic Pump, still in production I think.

 

 

From: Mike Carrell [mailto:mi...@medleas.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 11:23 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Understanding BLP: Chapter Two

 

Years ago an industrial water heater was marketed sing cavitation. The sales
point was that it could use wastewater, but tests showed that it was an
over-unity device. Over-unity was not 'claimed'. I don't know if they are
still in business.  Several investigators in the CF field used cavitation as
a mode.

 

Mills, in his work over the years has collected hydrinos in liquid-nitrogen
trap and solid fuels; verified by independent laboratories. His methods and
experiments have no relation to the Papp device. As far as I know, the
physics/chemistry of the Papp device has not been clarified or duplicated.
It remains an engaging topic for speculation.

 

Mike Carrell

 

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 2:16 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Understanding BLP: Chapter Two

 

The cavitation experiments by LeClair show that water subjected to plasma
cooling will produce nanoparticles of solid water formed from cooling water
plasma.

 

These small crystalline particles are the active agent in many water based
nanoplasmonic LENR reactions including cavitation.

 

I believe that water that has undergone of period of cavitation or spark
discharge will contain sufficient numbers of nanoparticles to demonstrate
Papp like water explosions when subjected to intense photon irradiation.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_sieve

 

A molecular sieve is a material with very small holes of precise and uniform
size. These holes are small enough to block large molecules while allowing
small molecules to pass. Many molecular sieves are used as
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desiccant> desiccants. Some examples include
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activated_charcoal> Activated charcoal and
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silica_gel> silica gel

 

As in the movie
<http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=
0CEgQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FThe_Andromeda_Strain&ei
=kxLgUoT_BOLjsAT-7IKQDw&usg=AFQjCNGjp3IWIwQyDUQcRJrZCUZFU8S53A&sig2=AnTTdlHO
b36ZT1F6_3KZ-A&bvm=bv.59568121,d.cWc> The Andromeda Strain, these sieves can
remove the Nano crystals from the cooled plasma flow,  If hydrinos exist,
they will not be filtered out of the condensed water. If the active agent is
the nanoparticles, then the reaction will stop. 

 

To prove this, Mills can use a proper sized molecular sieve to determine
experimentally that hydrinos are the active agent in the Mills reaction (AKA
the Papp reaction and/or the LeClair reaction and/or the Santilli reaction} 

 

On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Mike Carrell  wrote:

I am pleased by the stir created by my previous post on this thread. I also
now have a better understanding of the BLP posts. Readers have been fixated
on the press release and the patent application and overlooked the paper
"Solid Fuels that Form HOH Catalyst" which contains the key  to
understanding.

 

HOH designates *nascent H2O* which must be formed by a chemical reaction
apart from fluid water to have energy level necessary for catalysis. Several
molecules are cited. When fluid water is added, and the mass elevated to an
activation temperature, HOH is formed and available H atoms are induced to
the hydrino state with intense release of energy. This is tested in the
paper.

 

The BLP device forms pellets which are hydrated and then placed in a
reaction chamber where a short, powerful pulse of electric current elevates
the pellet to the activation temperature, causing an explosive release of
energy which is to be captured by an MHD coverter.

 

The megawatts of power cited in the press release is scientifically
accurate, but easily misunderstood in a rush to judgment based on cursory
inspection. Apparently the pellet is not destroyed and can be rehydrated and
reused, so it s not a consumable.

 

The patent application has an illustration of two cylinder reciprocating
engine. I believe that is a 'placeholder' against anyone who claims
something of the sort as an implementation of the BLP process.

 

Members of Vortex may see a semblance to the earlier work of Papp and
Stanley Meyer who produced dramatic demonstrations that could not be
explained or duplicated. The work of Mills has exposed a class of energetic
reactions previously overlooked, but now elucidated by a comprehensive
theory and experimentation and publication.

 

Mike Carrell

 



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RE: [Vo]:Understanding BLP: Chapter Two

2014-01-23 Thread Mike Carrell 
Years ago an industrial water heater was marketed sing cavitation. The sales
point was that it could use wastewater, but tests showed that it was an
over-unity device. Over-unity was not 'claimed'. I don't know if they are
still in business.  Several investigators in the CF field used cavitation as
a mode.

 

Mills, in his work over the years has collected hydrinos in liquid-nitrogen
trap and solid fuels; verified by independent laboratories. His methods and
experiments have no relation to the Papp device. As far as I know, the
physics/chemistry of the Papp device has not been clarified or duplicated.
It remains an engaging topic for speculation.

 

Mike Carrell

 

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 2:16 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Understanding BLP: Chapter Two

 

The cavitation experiments by LeClair show that water subjected to plasma
cooling will produce nanoparticles of solid water formed from cooling water
plasma.

 

These small crystalline particles are the active agent in many water based
nanoplasmonic LENR reactions including cavitation.

 

I believe that water that has undergone of period of cavitation or spark
discharge will contain sufficient numbers of nanoparticles to demonstrate
Papp like water explosions when subjected to intense photon irradiation.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_sieve

 

A molecular sieve is a material with very small holes of precise and uniform
size. These holes are small enough to block large molecules while allowing
small molecules to pass. Many molecular sieves are used as
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desiccant> desiccants. Some examples include
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activated_charcoal> Activated charcoal and
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silica_gel> silica gel

 

As in the movie
<http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=
0CEgQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FThe_Andromeda_Strain&ei
=kxLgUoT_BOLjsAT-7IKQDw&usg=AFQjCNGjp3IWIwQyDUQcRJrZCUZFU8S53A&sig2=AnTTdlHO
b36ZT1F6_3KZ-A&bvm=bv.59568121,d.cWc> The Andromeda Strain, these sieves can
remove the Nano crystals from the cooled plasma flow,  If hydrinos exist,
they will not be filtered out of the condensed water. If the active agent is
the nanoparticles, then the reaction will stop. 

 

To prove this, Mills can use a proper sized molecular sieve to determine
experimentally that hydrinos are the active agent in the Mills reaction (AKA
the Papp reaction and/or the LeClair reaction and/or the Santilli reaction} 

 

On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Mike Carrell  wrote:

I am pleased by the stir created by my previous post on this thread. I also
now have a better understanding of the BLP posts. Readers have been fixated
on the press release and the patent application and overlooked the paper
"Solid Fuels that Form HOH Catalyst" which contains the key  to
understanding.

 

HOH designates *nascent H2O* which must be formed by a chemical reaction
apart from fluid water to have energy level necessary for catalysis. Several
molecules are cited. When fluid water is added, and the mass elevated to an
activation temperature, HOH is formed and available H atoms are induced to
the hydrino state with intense release of energy. This is tested in the
paper.

 

The BLP device forms pellets which are hydrated and then placed in a
reaction chamber where a short, powerful pulse of electric current elevates
the pellet to the activation temperature, causing an explosive release of
energy which is to be captured by an MHD coverter.

 

The megawatts of power cited in the press release is scientifically
accurate, but easily misunderstood in a rush to judgment based on cursory
inspection. Apparently the pellet is not destroyed and can be rehydrated and
reused, so it s not a consumable.

 

The patent application has an illustration of two cylinder reciprocating
engine. I believe that is a 'placeholder' against anyone who claims
something of the sort as an implementation of the BLP process.

 

Members of Vortex may see a semblance to the earlier work of Papp and
Stanley Meyer who produced dramatic demonstrations that could not be
explained or duplicated. The work of Mills has exposed a class of energetic
reactions previously overlooked, but now elucidated by a comprehensive
theory and experimentation and publication.

 

Mike Carrell

 



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Re: [Vo]:Understanding BLP: Chapter Two

2014-01-22 Thread Axil Axil 
Nanoparticle formation, superatoms, and Rydberg matter are an important
subfield in chemistry. Mills, being a master chemist, should have been
familiar with this science and should not have invented his own imaginary
field of chemistry. Nanoparticles and their properties and application can
explain all of the experimental results that Mills says supports the
hydrino theory. IMHO.


On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Mike Carrell  wrote:

> I am pleased by the stir created by my previous post on this thread. I
> also now have a better understanding of the BLP posts. Readers have been
> fixated on the press release and the patent application and overlooked the
> paper “Solid Fuels that Form HOH Catalyst” which contains the key  to
> understanding.
>
>
>
> HOH designates **nascent H2O** which must be formed by a chemical
> reaction apart from fluid water to have energy level necessary for
> catalysis. Several molecules are cited. When fluid water is added, and the
> mass elevated to an activation temperature, HOH is formed and available H
> atoms are induced to the hydrino state with intense release of energy. This
> is tested in the paper.
>
>
>
> The BLP device forms pellets which are hydrated and then placed in a
> reaction chamber where a short, powerful pulse of electric current elevates
> the pellet to the activation temperature, causing an explosive release of
> energy which is to be captured by an MHD coverter.
>
>
>
> The megawatts of power cited in the press release is scientifically
> accurate, but easily misunderstood in a rush to judgment based on cursory
> inspection. Apparently the pellet is not destroyed and can be rehydrated
> and reused, so it s not a consumable.
>
>
>
> The patent application has an illustration of two cylinder reciprocating
> engine. I believe that is a ‘placeholder’ against anyone who claims
> something of the sort as an implementation of the BLP process.
>
>
>
> Members of Vortex may see a semblance to the earlier work of Papp and
> Stanley Meyer who produced dramatic demonstrations that could not be
> explained or duplicated. The work of Mills has exposed a class of energetic
> reactions previously overlooked, but now elucidated by a comprehensive
> theory and experimentation and publication.
>
>
>
> Mike Carrell
>

Re: [Vo]:Understanding BLP: Chapter Two

2014-01-22 Thread Axil Axil 
The cavitation experiments by LeClair show that water subjected to plasma
cooling will produce nanoparticles of solid water formed from cooling water
plasma.

These small crystalline particles are the active agent in many water based
nanoplasmonic LENR reactions including cavitation.

I believe that water that has undergone of period of cavitation or spark
discharge will contain sufficient numbers of nanoparticles to demonstrate
Papp like water explosions when subjected to intense photon irradiation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_sieve

A *molecular sieve* is a material with very small holes of precise and
uniform size. These holes are small enough to block large molecules while
allowing small molecules to pass. Many molecular sieves are used as
desiccants . Some examples
include Activated
charcoal  and silica
gel

As in the movie The *Andromeda
Strain*,
these sieves can remove the Nano crystals from the cooled plasma flow,
 If hydrinos exist, they will not be filtered out of the condensed water.
If the active agent is the nanoparticles, then the reaction will stop.

To prove this, Mills can use a proper sized molecular sieve to determine
experimentally that hydrinos are the active agent in the Mills reaction
(AKA the Papp reaction and/or the LeClair reaction and/or the Santilli
reaction}


On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Mike Carrell  wrote:

> I am pleased by the stir created by my previous post on this thread. I
> also now have a better understanding of the BLP posts. Readers have been
> fixated on the press release and the patent application and overlooked the
> paper “Solid Fuels that Form HOH Catalyst” which contains the key  to
> understanding.
>
>
>
> HOH designates **nascent H2O** which must be formed by a chemical
> reaction apart from fluid water to have energy level necessary for
> catalysis. Several molecules are cited. When fluid water is added, and the
> mass elevated to an activation temperature, HOH is formed and available H
> atoms are induced to the hydrino state with intense release of energy. This
> is tested in the paper.
>
>
>
> The BLP device forms pellets which are hydrated and then placed in a
> reaction chamber where a short, powerful pulse of electric current elevates
> the pellet to the activation temperature, causing an explosive release of
> energy which is to be captured by an MHD coverter.
>
>
>
> The megawatts of power cited in the press release is scientifically
> accurate, but easily misunderstood in a rush to judgment based on cursory
> inspection. Apparently the pellet is not destroyed and can be rehydrated
> and reused, so it s not a consumable.
>
>
>
> The patent application has an illustration of two cylinder reciprocating
> engine. I believe that is a ‘placeholder’ against anyone who claims
> something of the sort as an implementation of the BLP process.
>
>
>
> Members of Vortex may see a semblance to the earlier work of Papp and
> Stanley Meyer who produced dramatic demonstrations that could not be
> explained or duplicated. The work of Mills has exposed a class of energetic
> reactions previously overlooked, but now elucidated by a comprehensive
> theory and experimentation and publication.
>
>
>
> Mike Carrell
>