RE: [Vo]:Uploaded LANL. Workshop on Cold Fusion Phenomena. 1989

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Jones—

The referenced link regarding the KATRIN experiment ignores the production of 
He-3 as a result of H-3 beta decay.

Its conclusions do not make much sense to me.

The decay of H-3 involves release of electrons at about 18  Kev with a range  
downwards  to about 13 Kev.  .This indicates that the constituent neutron of 
the parent H-3 isotope breaks up to form a proton in a daughter He-3 isotope 
with expulsion of the electron and an anti neutrino.

Neutrinos are thought to have an associated magnetic moment and some quanta of 
angular momentum, not unlike the massless photon.  The source of the magnetic 
moment is a key characteristic for understanding the neutrino IMHO.

I suspect resonance EM fields are responsible for the tritium decay and effect 
the variety of energies associated with the energy  of the electron and the 
relativistic energy of the neutrino which leaves the decay scene at near THE 
SPEED OF LIGHT.

I consider that neutrinos may be a gluon type particle which hold positrons and 
electrons at bay in nuclear structures—particularly protons and neutrons as 
suggested by high energy electron scattering experiments accomplished beginning 
in the 1960’s examining proton and neutron structures.

Philippe Hatt’s nucleon model supports this electron- positron co-existence in 
nucleons.

Bob Cook




From: JonesBeene 
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 3:55:55 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Uploaded LANL. Workshop on Cold Fusion Phenomena. 1989


The KATRIN experiment in Germany has now experimentally come up with a (very 
low) neutrino mass-energy value – no more than 1.1 eV

Just released data:

https://www.livescience.com/neutrino-mass-experiment-katrin-early-results.html

Interesting picture accompanying the article above…


From: Jürg Wyttenbach<mailto:ju...@datamart.ch>

Neutrinos are the standard excuse for SM physics having no clue about nuclear 
structure. Billions of neutrinos pass your body every second. If they would do 
any interaction such patents possibly would not be written...

Parkhomov's Rossi style experiments (COP 2-4) did behave as expected: Given a 
well know amount of Nickel it delivered, after full burn down, the expected 
2MeV/Ni. Not much space for neutrinos.

Phrases like "low energy neutrinos" are nonsense as long as physics has no clue 
about their real mass & structure and even doesn't know whether they have a 
rest mass.

We, since some time, pretty much understand how LENR works and what needs to be 
done to enable it. We understand how the LENR energy transport works and of 
course not with neutrinos - it's magnetic transport of energy.

Re: [Vo]:Uploaded LANL. Workshop on Cold Fusion Phenomena. 1989

[Jürg Wyttenbach]

Jones

Thanks!

If the neutrino is a simple proton resonance the there is good reason to 
believe that they finally land at 0.78eV.


J.W.

Am 26.09.19 um 15:55 schrieb JonesBeene:


The KATRIN experiment in Germany has now experimentally come up with a 
(very low) neutrino mass-energy value – no more than 1.1 eV


Just released data:

https://www.livescience.com/neutrino-mass-experiment-katrin-early-results.html

Interesting picture accompanying the article above…

*From: *Jürg Wyttenbach 

Neutrinos are the standard excuse for SM physics having no clue about 
nuclear structure. Billions of neutrinos pass your body every second. 
If they would do any interaction such patents possibly would not be 
written...


Parkhomov's Rossi style experiments (COP 2-4) did behave as expected: 
Given a well know amount of Nickel it delivered, after full burn down, 
the expected 2MeV/Ni. Not much space for neutrinos.


Phrases like "low energy neutrinos" are nonsense as long as physics 
has no clue about their real mass & structure and even doesn't know 
whether they have a rest mass.


We, since some time, pretty much understand how LENR works and what 
needs to be done to enable it. We understand how the LENR energy 
transport works and of course not with neutrinos - it's magnetic 
transport of energy.




--
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr.22
8910 Affoltern a.A.
044 760 14 18
079 246 36 06

RE: [Vo]:Uploaded LANL. Workshop on Cold Fusion Phenomena. 1989

[JonesBeene]

The KATRIN experiment in Germany has now experimentally come up with a (very 
low) neutrino mass-energy value – no more than 1.1 eV

Just released data:

https://www.livescience.com/neutrino-mass-experiment-katrin-early-results.html

Interesting picture accompanying the article above… 


From: Jürg Wyttenbach

Neutrinos are the standard excuse for SM physics having no clue about nuclear 
structure. Billions of neutrinos pass your body every second. If they would do 
any interaction such patents possibly would not be written... 

Parkhomov's Rossi style experiments (COP 2-4) did behave as expected: Given a 
well know amount of Nickel it delivered, after full burn down, the expected 
2MeV/Ni. Not much space for neutrinos.

Phrases like "low energy neutrinos" are nonsense as long as physics has no clue 
about their real mass & structure and even doesn't know whether they have a 
rest mass.

We, since some time, pretty much understand how LENR works and what needs to be 
done to enable it. We understand how the LENR energy transport works and of 
course not with neutrinos - it's magnetic transport of energy.

Re: [Vo]:Uploaded LANL. Workshop on Cold Fusion Phenomena. 1989

[Jürg Wyttenbach]

Bob

Neutrinos are the standard excuse for SM physics having no clue about 
nuclear structure. Billions of neutrinos pass your body every second. If 
they would do any interaction such patents possibly would not be written...


Parkhomov's Rossi style experiments (COP 2-4) did behave as expected: 
Given a well know amount of Nickel it delivered, after full burn down, 
the expected 2MeV/Ni. Not much space for neutrinos.


Phrases like "low energy neutrinos" are nonsense as long as physics has 
no clue about their real mass & structure and even doesn't know whether 
they have a rest mass.


We, since some time, pretty much understand how LENR works and what 
needs to be done to enable it. We understand how the LENR energy 
transport works and of course not with neutrinos - it's magnetic 
transport of energy.


J.W.


Am 26.09.19 um 10:42 schrieb bobcook39...@hotmail.com:


Jed--

I tend to agree with you and MF conclusion regarding the primary LOCAL 
effect of the Pd-D system.


HOWEVER, I consider that neutrinos are involved in nuclear structures 
made up of electrons, positrons and neutrinos –both types.   anti and 
regular.


Thus, depending upon the resonant matching of the coherent system 
energy, most or  much energy may escape  the system without causing 
much heat in the form of phonic lattice excitement of the coherent 
system energy state transition during a LENR.


This notion reflects a general lack of knowledge regarding the physics 
of neutrinos and its validation.  The following link addresses some of 
this lack of knowledge, most important being experimental validation 
IMHO.


https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1742-6596/718/6/062076/pdf

The US Patent application: 
https://patents.google.com/?inventor=Yanming+Wei 



was also considered in understanding neutrino  physics validation and 
low energy neutrino focusing by certain nuclear isomeric species.


Bob Cook


*From:* Jed Rothwell 
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 25, 2019 8:59:47 PM
*To:* Vortex 
*Subject:* [Vo]:Uploaded LANL. Workshop on Cold Fusion Phenomena. 1989
LANL. Workshop on Cold Fusion Phenomena. 1989. Santa Fe, NM: Los 
Alamos National Laboratory


Program Committee, Agenda and Abstracts

https://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LANLworkshopon.pdf

This shows that there was a lot of support for cold fusion research at 
the DoE initially. A number of these abstracts list DoE grants. In 
retrospect, I wish they had spread out their support, allocating money 
in the years that followed, when more was understood. There were a 
number of researchers here doing the wrong things. Especially, people 
looking for nuclear effects without first confirming there was excess 
heat. Without measurable excess heat, there is probably no cold 
fusion. As Fleischmann said, heat is principal signature of the reaction.



--
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr.22
8910 Affoltern a.A.
044 760 14 18
079 246 36 06

RE: [Vo]:Uploaded LANL. Workshop on Cold Fusion Phenomena. 1989

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Jed--

I tend to agree with you and MF conclusion regarding the primary LOCAL effect 
of the Pd-D system.

HOWEVER, I consider that neutrinos are involved in nuclear structures made up 
of electrons, positrons and neutrinos –both types.   anti and regular.

Thus, depending upon the resonant matching of the coherent system energy, most 
or  much energy may escape  the system without causing much heat in the form of 
phonic lattice excitement of the coherent system energy state transition during 
a LENR.

This notion reflects a general lack of knowledge regarding the physics of 
neutrinos and its  validation.  The following link addresses some of this lack 
of knowledge, most important being experimental validation IMHO.

https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1742-6596/718/6/062076/pdf

The US Patent application: https://patents.google.com/?inventor=Yanming+Wei

was also considered in understanding neutrino  physics validation and low 
energy neutrino focusing by certain nuclear isomeric species.

Bob Cook

From: Jed Rothwell 
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2019 8:59:47 PM
To: Vortex 
Subject: [Vo]:Uploaded LANL. Workshop on Cold Fusion Phenomena. 1989

LANL. Workshop on Cold Fusion Phenomena. 1989. Santa Fe, NM: Los Alamos 
National Laboratory

Program Committee, Agenda and Abstracts

https://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LANLworkshopon.pdf

This shows that there was a lot of support for cold fusion research at the DoE 
initially. A number of these abstracts list DoE grants. In retrospect, I wish 
they had spread out their support, allocating money in the years that followed, 
when more was understood. There were a number of researchers here doing the 
wrong things. Especially, people looking for nuclear effects without first 
confirming there was excess heat. Without measurable excess heat, there is 
probably no cold fusion. As Fleischmann said, heat is principal signature of 
the reaction.