Re: [Vo]:A hypothesis about the Rossi reactor and Rossi

2012-01-22 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax 
a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote:


 A LENR device that produces power for a few hours or a few days isn't
 practical. It might indeed be of interest, and someone, someday, might
 figure out how to make something like this reliable, but Rossi might not
 even be close. His approach might be too crude.

 But, he'd think, it's just around the corner, if he just tweaks this or
 that, surely it will work.

 This is just a hypothesis, but it does explain a lot, if true.


I always find this sort of assertion amazing.  Sure, it's possible but it's
a very distant possibility!  Just finding robust (kilowatt level) LENR for
ANY period of time more than can be accounted for by chemical or other
non-nuclear methods would be a spectacular demonstration of the principle
and worthy of acclaim, perhaps a Nobel, and tons of research money, patents
and other prizes.  It's never been claimed by anyone credible, much less
demonstrated!  It is beyond reasonable belief that someone could do robust
and crystal clear LENR like Rossi claims even for a few hours and would not
research, exploit, and demonstrate it.   And if Rossi didn't out it, one
of his assistants or professor friends would almost certainly do so.   It's
a very remote possibility in my view.


Re: [Vo]:A hypothesis about the Rossi reactor and Rossi

2012-01-22 Thread Rich Murray
Yes, that fits in with the relaxed innocence with which he waved the
black hose against Focardi's black sweater to reveal the wisps of
visible water mist -- since then he's been more and more panicked,
like the warlord in Kurosawa's version of Macbeth, being pinned
against the castle wall by volleys of huge arrows from his own
disgusted troops -- I wonder too if  he is caught up in trying to
impress his lovely wife, an expert physicist at CERN -- I wonder what
she is thinking by now -- they really need help and support from the
people they most trust -- full disclosure would take the target off
his back -- the world could reconsider various possibilities for  LENR
research -- he could write a book and sell the media rights and give
lectures -- legitimate income for genuine contributions -- he too
could be a victim of scammers moving in --

Rich Murray

On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
 As many Vorticians know, I've followed the Rossi affair since early 2011. I
 found, fairly quickly, reasons to think that the demonstrations were not
 conclusive, that they may have shown anything from no excess heat, mild
 excess heat, to strong excess heat.

 From certain evidence (asserted most notably by Mr. Krivit), I came to think
 that, as well, some level of deliberate deception was involved, though it
 might be rationalized by Rossi as allowing fools to believe what he hasn't
 actually stated. Did Rossi anywhere state that, during the Mats Lewan demo,
 where he was seen apparently manipulating the power input -- it's unclear,
 but he looks like the cat that just ate the canary -- that he had *not*
 changed the input power (at a point where the output seems to change?) I'm
 suspecting that there are many questions that Rossi hasn't been directly
 asked by some of the prominent reporters.

 After all, they could be considered rude.

 If the questions were asked, he may have successfully avoided answering
 them.

 In any case, one thing is clear: Rossi promised that it would all be plainly
 obvious by October of 2011. It wasn't. Given his secrecy and the obvious
 failure, we can't trust what he sais about what will happen in the future.

 Why was Rossi accepted by many in the LENR community? I should note that
 many did not accept him, and that the LENR community of researchers includes
 many who think Rossi is a scammer or the like. But he was accepted partly
 because there were researchers who thought that the NiH line of approach had
 promise, it did not surprise them that someone would claim results with NiH,
 and, unlike many other scientists, they know that LENR is real, that there
 is no specific, clear theoretical impossibility there. This isn't a free
 energy scam, even though it may still be a scam. (Some claimed
 *explanations* of NiH results might indeed be impossible; I'm speaking
 generally. Once one knows that low energy nuclear reactions are possible,
 it's no longer wise to reject LENR reports out of hand, and the researchers
 know this, being generally familiar with the evidence.)

 What was truly surprising about the Rossi reports was not NiH excess heat.
 That had been reported before. What was surprising was the level of heat,
 far above what had been achieved by others, and the implied claim of
 reliability. Others have, as with much in LENR research, found quite
 variable results. Especially it's been found that material that produces
 results, as to excess heat, may not continue to do so. It works for a while,
 then stops working.

 So an obvious posibility is that Rossi did indeed find a reaction that
 *sometimes* produces significant excess heat. But that only does so for some
 time. That would mean that he might set up demos, and some of them might
 work, and he believes, then, that he's just around the corner from making it
 work reliably for a long time. And then, because sometimes it doesn't work,
 well, he can't let people think it doesn't work, so he, perhaps, fudges the
 demos a bit. They're all snakes anyway, out to steal his secrets

 A LENR device that produces power for a few hours or a few days isn't
 practical. It might indeed be of interest, and someone, someday, might
 figure out how to make something like this reliable, but Rossi might not
 even be close. His approach might be too crude.

 But, he'd think, it's just around the corner, if he just tweaks this or
 that, surely it will work.

 This is just a hypothesis, but it does explain a lot, if true.