RE: [Vo]:Chloroquine trials in New York
Michael— I agree with your observation RE. Fauci and Brix—its worse than instructional—its croupt as some presidential candidates have noted in identifying the huge profits of the pharmacutical—political—insurance—provider (PPIP) complex. Its like the old “nuclear village” in Japan made up of utilities, politicians and the reactor facility builders before their nuclear disaster. Maybe this world-wide disaster will dissolve PPIP. Bob Cook From: Michael Foster<mailto:mf...@yahoo.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 2:11 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Chloroquine trials in New York Sorry to get your knickers in a twist, Jed. I don't really understand how your Microsoft Word analogy applies to this situation. I have no idea why Big Pharma supplied all the chloroquine at no cost. It certainly looks like a P.R. move. They were specifically requested to do so. Think what they would look like if they refused. It won't cost them much. Chloroquine is very inexpensive to make, more or less like shoveling up dirt. Of course you are right that chloroquine is FDA approved for malaria treatment, but can then be used for any other purpose. Watching the behavior of Fauci and Birx is instructive. They were both reciting the usual FDA/CDC line about needing endless testing because reported successful results were all "anecdotal". They were either ignorant of what's been going on in the world, or were doing their job as shills for the major drug companies. No doubt they will start shifting their opinions around to fit events as they develop. Incidentally, there are apparently no cases of covid19 in areas where malaria is prevalent. I have a half-baked hypothesis about that. Obviously, not everyone in these areas is taking chloroquine. But it just might be that those people who have been exposed to the virus but are taking chloroquine are now breathing out dead virus. Since vaccines are killed or crippled viruses, maybe such people are inadvertently vaccinating others around them. OK, I told you it was half-baked. On Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 03:47:24 PM UTC, Jed Rothwell wrote: Michael Foster wrote: I'm happy to see that rare cooperation between Trump and Cuomo will see a large scale "trial" of chloroquine and Zithromax, already known to work as a treatment for covid19. I hope this will expose FDA/CDC as owned by the pharmaceutical business, as exemplified by the behavior of Fauci and Birx. Big Pharma wouldn't want anything as inexpensive as chloroquine to be an effective treatment. This makes no sense. Big Parma makes millions of doses of these drugs. Big Pharma has absolutely no say in which drugs are used, for what purposes. This is decided by the FDA and individual doctors. What you say is equivalent to saying, "Microsoft wouldn't want people to use Microsoft Word to write letters to the editor." Microsoft has no control over what people do with its software. Big pharma has no control over what doctors and and patients do with their products. In point of fact, one of the biggest pharmaceutical companies in the world has provided millions of doses of these drugs to the state of New York for free. So, obviously they are not trying to prevent the use of it!
Re: [Vo]:Chloroquine trials in New York
It's called "herd immunity". https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11078115 On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 5:11 PM Michael Foster wrote: Incidentally, there are apparently no cases of covid19 in areas where malaria is prevalent. I have a half-baked hypothesis about that. > >
Re: [Vo]:Chloroquine trials in New York
Sorry to get your knickers in a twist, Jed. I don't really understand how your Microsoft Word analogy applies to this situation. I have no idea why Big Pharma supplied all the chloroquine at no cost. It certainly looks like a P.R. move. They were specifically requested to do so. Think what they would look like if they refused. It won't cost them much. Chloroquine is very inexpensive to make, more or less like shoveling up dirt. Of course you are right that chloroquine is FDA approved for malaria treatment, but can then be used for any other purpose. Watching the behavior of Fauci and Birx is instructive. They were both reciting the usual FDA/CDC line about needing endless testing because reported successful results were all "anecdotal". They were either ignorant of what's been going on in the world, or were doing their job as shills for the major drug companies. No doubt they will start shifting their opinions around to fit events as they develop. Incidentally, there are apparently no cases of covid19 in areas where malaria is prevalent. I have a half-baked hypothesis about that. Obviously, not everyone in these areas is taking chloroquine. But it just might be that those people who have been exposed to the virus but are taking chloroquine are now breathing out dead virus. Since vaccines are killed or crippled viruses, maybe such people are inadvertently vaccinating others around them. OK, I told you it was half-baked. On Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 03:47:24 PM UTC, Jed Rothwell wrote: Michael Foster wrote: I'm happy to see that rare cooperation between Trump and Cuomo will see a large scale "trial" of chloroquine and Zithromax, already known to work as a treatment for covid19. I hope this will expose FDA/CDC as owned by the pharmaceutical business, as exemplified by the behavior of Fauci and Birx. Big Pharma wouldn't want anything as inexpensive as chloroquine to be an effective treatment. This makes no sense. Big Parma makes millions of doses of these drugs. Big Pharma has absolutely no say in which drugs are used, for what purposes. This is decided by the FDA and individual doctors. What you say is equivalent to saying, "Microsoft wouldn't want people to use Microsoft Word to write letters to the editor." Microsoft has no control over what people do with its software. Big pharma has no control over what doctors and and patients do with their products. In point of fact, one of the biggest pharmaceutical companies in the world has provided millions of doses of these drugs to the state of New York for free. So, obviously they are not trying to prevent the use of it!
Re: [Vo]:Chloroquine trials in New York
I got mine from India. No script required. On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:49 PM Jürg Wyttenbach wrote: > Am 24.03.20 um 16:46 schrieb Jed Rothwell: > > In point of fact, one of the biggest pharmaceutical companies in the > world has provided millions of doses of these drugs to the state of New > York for free. So, obviously they are not trying to prevent the use of it! > > Jed you are mixing up the facts- > > There are many big pharma that try to block the usage of > hydroxychloroquine because this blocks their 1000$ shots they would like to > see in the treatment of severe cases. The blocking is twofold: > > 1: Most people don't even get to the severe state anymore. > > 2: even severe cases profit more than of expensive antiviral drugs as they > do not work as expected in younger people. > > 3: The main profit base of big pharma (90% of their income), the older > people with preconditions will die anyway because they are tested to late. > > 4: There is no replacement for them if the younger do no longer get lung > damage... > > > You have to read mainstream press in Europe (like Spiegel) and you > immediately notice the foul play that is going on. > > "one of the biggest pharmaceutical companies in the world has provided > millions of doses.." But not one that has 1000$ shots in teh pipeline! > > > J.W. > > > > -- > Jürg Wyttenbach > Bifangstr.22 > 8910 Affoltern a.A. > 044 760 14 18 > 079 246 36 06 > >
Re: [Vo]:Chloroquine trials in New York
Am 24.03.20 um 16:46 schrieb Jed Rothwell: In point of fact, one of the biggest pharmaceutical companies in the world has provided millions of doses of these drugs to the state of New York for free. So, obviously they are not trying to prevent the use of it! Jed you are mixing up the facts- There are many big pharma that try to block the usage of hydroxychloroquine because this blocks their 1000$ shots they would like to see in the treatment of severe cases. The blocking is twofold: 1: Most people don't even get to the severe state anymore. 2: even severe cases profit more than of expensive antiviral drugs as they do not work as expected in younger people. 3: The main profit base of big pharma (90% of their income), the older people with preconditions will die anyway because they are tested to late. 4: There is no replacement for them if the younger do no longer get lung damage... You have to read mainstream press in Europe (like Spiegel) and you immediately notice the foul play that is going on. "one of the biggest pharmaceutical companies in the world has provided millions of doses.." But not one that has 1000$ shots in teh pipeline! J.W. -- Jürg Wyttenbach Bifangstr.22 8910 Affoltern a.A. 044 760 14 18 079 246 36 06
Re: [Vo]:Chloroquine trials in New York
Michael Foster wrote: > I'm happy to see that rare cooperation between Trump and Cuomo will see a > large scale "trial" of chloroquine and Zithromax, already known to work as > a treatment for covid19. I hope this will expose FDA/CDC as owned by the > pharmaceutical business, as exemplified by the behavior of Fauci and Birx. > Big Pharma wouldn't want anything as inexpensive as chloroquine to be an > effective treatment. > This makes no sense. Big Parma makes millions of doses of these drugs. Big Pharma has absolutely no say in which drugs are used, for what purposes. This is decided by the FDA and individual doctors. What you say is equivalent to saying, "Microsoft wouldn't want people to use Microsoft Word to write letters to the editor." Microsoft has no control over what people do with its software. Big pharma has no control over what doctors and and patients do with their products. In point of fact, one of the biggest pharmaceutical companies in the world has provided millions of doses of these drugs to the state of New York for free. So, obviously they are not trying to prevent the use of it!
