Re: [Vo]:Greek version of Rossi on PBS

[Jones Beene]

Nigel Dyer wrote:

We had a very good presentation of Browns Gas by the Hurtaks at the 
last water conference although no overunity was claimed, just that it 
was able to improve the efficiency of an internal combustion energy. 
This looks to be very similar to a classic Browns gas setup


Nigel


Yes - the infamous "dry cell" or common-manifold multiplate electrolysis 
system, which created a stir on a few forums several years back ... 
thousands were sold, and maybe a dozen are still in service. But that 
argument is still being used (that the value of adding a tiny amount of 
hydrogen comes from increasing the efficiency of burning hydrocarbons in 
an ICE).


It is a valid argument, that much is true... but it was over-hyped, 
since the cost effectiveness of such a system is minimal without 
something more that has been demonstrated so far. I do know of a couple 
of large diesel installations in the Caribbean using the CAT 100L 
engines, where "HHO" is used to augment diesel - but there is risk 
involved and the payback is much longer than was promoted.


The real reason for keeping an eye on these inventors like Zografos - 
even though he may or may not be the real deal - is that the obvious 
connection to LENR means that someone may eventually hit on a technique 
for getting large gain. This particular demo is almost exactly what one 
would expect to see - if that big breakthrough has been made. When it 
happens, however, the inventor will be more than happy to let skeptics 
take real data.


It is easy to imagine that the electrode used by Zografos could in fact 
be both splitting hydrogen and oxygen from water and at the same time - 
densifying the hydrogen into UDH, which is almost what Randell Mills 
claims to be doing with his device, using an electric arc. RF would be 
highly preferable to an electric arc.


If that was happening, then the UV emission should be intense. Yet we 
have an open air demo with not protection. The most convincing detail of 
success would be if Zografos suffered from intense sunburn... which does 
not appear to be the case.


However, given that he appears to be a showman in the best AR tradition, 
look for his next demo to include a makeup artist and a red-faced 
inventor 

Re: [Vo]:Greek version of Rossi on PBS

[Nigel Dyer]

We had a very good presentation of Browns Gas by the Hurtaks at the last 
water conference although no overunity was claimed, just that it was 
able to improve the efficiency of an internal combustion energy. This 
looks to be very similar to a classic Browns gas setup


Nigel

On 28/12/2016 04:36, Jones Beene wrote:
PETROS ZOGRAFOS is a Greek inventor who claims to split water in a way 
to get more energy out than was put into the system. Sound familiar? 
Shades of Stanley Meyer. He even uses the "resonance" spiel of Meyer 
and pretends that it is a new thing.


Zografos was apparently featured on PBS tonight but I missed it. His 
videos have been up on You Tube for several weeks however. 
Unfortunately he prefers to keep things mysterious so it is not clear 
if he is an inventive genius or scam artist in the best tradition of 
Stan... not to mention the recent demo of Randy Mills - which is a new 
twist on the old theme.


Zografos has shown several systems in the old videos but he is 
basically comes off as a showman who is almost as disingenuous as AR 
in providing no data. In one system, it was discovered that he was 
consuming aluminum from electrodes in order to split water in a way 
that makes it look super efficient - if, that is ... you forget about 
the energy required to refine the aluminum.


Maybe PBS is new to this kind of scam - the legacy of Yull Brown and 
Meyer and man others others ... or maybe Zografos has found a new 
breakthrough which is real anomaly. His past work was no more than 
smoke and mirrors - but there is always hope for the big breakthrough 
in splitting water with resonance.


That hope for turning water into a fuel is the legacy of Jules Verne 
who created a meme which is by now ingrained in the free-energy 
aspirations of every new age. Beware of Greeks bearing gifts.

Re: [Vo]:Greek version of Rossi on PBS

[Frank Znidarsic]

He says he is using Terahertz radiation.  I has a frequency that is orders of 
magnitude higher than microwave.  That's the frequency of nano-meter cold 
fusion operation.  He does not state how he produces the terahertz radiation.


Frank



-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 28, 2016 6:41 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Greek version of Rossi on PBS



Terry,

Here is a video of an older device, showing the basic setup -  curiously 
using microwaves. The amount of gas is indeed impressive  but there is no 
valid proof or even raw data to show that it could  be anomalous.


Plus- he is not being clear that there is a metal electrode -  which is 
almost certainly consumed as water is split. He seems to  be in denial of 
that part.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE6k5eOJ4e8




 Terry Blanton wrote:


  


Jones Beene wrote:
  

PETROS ZOGRAFOS is a  Greek inventor who claims to split water in a 
way to get  more energy out than was put into the system.




Transcript:




http://www.off-grid.net/power-tap-water/ 
  

  


  

Re: [Vo]:Greek version of Rossi on PBS

[Jones Beene]

Terry,

Here is a video of an older device, showing the basic setup - curiously 
using microwaves. The amount of gas is indeed impressive but there is no 
valid proof or even raw data to show that it could be anomalous.


Plus- he is not being clear that there is a metal electrode - which is 
almost certainly consumed as water is split. He seems to be in denial of 
that part.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE6k5eOJ4e8


 Terry Blanton wrote:


Jones Beene wrote:

PETROS ZOGRAFOS is a Greek inventor who claims to split water in a
way to get more energy out than was put into the system.


Transcript:

http://www.off-grid.net/power-tap-water/

Re: [Vo]:Greek version of Rossi on PBS

[Terry Blanton]

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> PETROS ZOGRAFOS is a Greek inventor who claims to split water in a way to
> get more energy out than was put into the system.


Transcript:

http://www.off-grid.net/power-tap-water/