Re: [Vo]:New experiment started AC/DC
Axil,You omitted radiation. See the Chan comment for turning that into electrical power at:http://open-source-energy.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=659page=43 Hound Dog"Axil AxilSat, 03 Nov 2012 14:44:39 -0700 This variety of experiment should measure, total energy input versus totalenergy output.To properly get this result, should not the hydrogen and oxygen berecombined to produce heat output? This energy of gas recombination shouldbe added to the heat produced in the electrolyte solution for a propercomparison that might show over unity output.To simplify the details of the experiment, the volume of the gas producedby electrolysis could be measured and a calculation of its heat contentmight be used in calculation of total heat output of the electrolyte cell.Cheers: AxilOn Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote: I have no problem with sharing--there has been too little of that so far. I've been planning at some point to set up a site to detail the work so others could do it if they would like. With the app I have written, there would be no problem with having it upload data to a server after the run is completed. What I am testing is having it automatically email the data to me as an attachment when it has finished. That way I know the experiment is complete, and I can take a look at the data. I would prefer to detail each piece of equipment involved and where to buy it, as that is helpful to the hobbyist like me. Jack On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.comwrote: If at some point you think you see something, are you interested in making your data series (for both good and unsuccessful runs) available? Doing would have the following tradeoffs: + you would be helping to advance hobbyist science - you would no longer have the inside scoop into whatever is happening, making it harder to get priority on any potentially (very) lucrative patents. This question is also for any other amateurs attempting data acquisition. We could set up a site of some kind to host the data files. Eric Sent from my iPhone On Nov 3, 2012, at 4:22, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote: I have not yet tried KOH. Once I get all the kinks worked out of this, there is no reason I couldn't run several simultaneous electrolytic cells (recording data from all)."
Re: [Vo]:New experiment started AC/DC
Have you tryed potassium hydroxide, the Blacklight Electrolyte? Axil. On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote: I shot a little video of my latest experiment with borax. It is controlled with an Android phone, IOIO microcontroller, and relay bank. I am switching back and forth between AC and DC current supplies. Pardon the mess of wires as I am early in the process. It is interesting how the electrolyte turns a copper brown color. That was after running 1 1/2 days on DC current at 5 to 13 watts. I'm using the same 8 nickels on the thoriated tungsten rod as a cathode and 4 stainless steel washers as the anode. There is more heating and almost no bubbles on AC. I'm not sure what brown color is about. I've seen this repeatedly. What I'm interested to try is to see the max temperature achieved by AC alone, then DC alone, and then AC and DC alternating for different periods of time. http://youtu.be/sH90M85S2mE Regards, Jack
Re: [Vo]:New experiment started AC/DC
I have not yet tried KOH. Once I get all the kinks worked out of this, there is no reason I couldn't run several simultaneous electrolytic cells (recording data from all). On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 1:21 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Have you tryed potassium hydroxide, the Blacklight Electrolyte? Axil. On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote: I shot a little video of my latest experiment with borax. It is controlled with an Android phone, IOIO microcontroller, and relay bank. I am switching back and forth between AC and DC current supplies. Pardon the mess of wires as I am early in the process. It is interesting how the electrolyte turns a copper brown color. That was after running 1 1/2 days on DC current at 5 to 13 watts. I'm using the same 8 nickels on the thoriated tungsten rod as a cathode and 4 stainless steel washers as the anode. There is more heating and almost no bubbles on AC. I'm not sure what brown color is about. I've seen this repeatedly. What I'm interested to try is to see the max temperature achieved by AC alone, then DC alone, and then AC and DC alternating for different periods of time. http://youtu.be/sH90M85S2mE Regards, Jack
Re: [Vo]:New experiment started AC/DC
If at some point you think you see something, are you interested in making your data series (for both good and unsuccessful runs) available? Doing would have the following tradeoffs: + you would be helping to advance hobbyist science - you would no longer have the inside scoop into whatever is happening, making it harder to get priority on any potentially (very) lucrative patents. This question is also for any other amateurs attempting data acquisition. We could set up a site of some kind to host the data files. Eric Sent from my iPhone On Nov 3, 2012, at 4:22, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote: I have not yet tried KOH. Once I get all the kinks worked out of this, there is no reason I couldn't run several simultaneous electrolytic cells (recording data from all).
Re: [Vo]:New experiment started AC/DC
I have no problem with sharing--there has been too little of that so far. I've been planning at some point to set up a site to detail the work so others could do it if they would like. With the app I have written, there would be no problem with having it upload data to a server after the run is completed. What I am testing is having it automatically email the data to me as an attachment when it has finished. That way I know the experiment is complete, and I can take a look at the data. I would prefer to detail each piece of equipment involved and where to buy it, as that is helpful to the hobbyist like me. Jack On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: If at some point you think you see something, are you interested in making your data series (for both good and unsuccessful runs) available? Doing would have the following tradeoffs: + you would be helping to advance hobbyist science - you would no longer have the inside scoop into whatever is happening, making it harder to get priority on any potentially (very) lucrative patents. This question is also for any other amateurs attempting data acquisition. We could set up a site of some kind to host the data files. Eric Sent from my iPhone On Nov 3, 2012, at 4:22, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote: I have not yet tried KOH. Once I get all the kinks worked out of this, there is no reason I couldn't run several simultaneous electrolytic cells (recording data from all).
Re: [Vo]:New experiment started AC/DC
This variety of experiment should measure, total energy input versus total energy output. To properly get this result, should not the hydrogen and oxygen be recombined to produce heat output? This energy of gas recombination should be added to the heat produced in the electrolyte solution for a proper comparison that might show over unity output. To simplify the details of the experiment, the volume of the gas produced by electrolysis could be measured and a calculation of its heat content might be used in calculation of total heat output of the electrolyte cell. Cheers: Axil On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote: I have no problem with sharing--there has been too little of that so far. I've been planning at some point to set up a site to detail the work so others could do it if they would like. With the app I have written, there would be no problem with having it upload data to a server after the run is completed. What I am testing is having it automatically email the data to me as an attachment when it has finished. That way I know the experiment is complete, and I can take a look at the data. I would prefer to detail each piece of equipment involved and where to buy it, as that is helpful to the hobbyist like me. Jack On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.comwrote: If at some point you think you see something, are you interested in making your data series (for both good and unsuccessful runs) available? Doing would have the following tradeoffs: + you would be helping to advance hobbyist science - you would no longer have the inside scoop into whatever is happening, making it harder to get priority on any potentially (very) lucrative patents. This question is also for any other amateurs attempting data acquisition. We could set up a site of some kind to host the data files. Eric Sent from my iPhone On Nov 3, 2012, at 4:22, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote: I have not yet tried KOH. Once I get all the kinks worked out of this, there is no reason I couldn't run several simultaneous electrolytic cells (recording data from all).
Re: [Vo]:New experiment started AC/DC
Started a new run this evening. I finished the coding for a fully automated experimental series, and I'm running a trial run to make sure everything is working correctly. For the trial run, here is my procedure: Run a 3 minute baseline with no power to collect temp data. Run a 5 minute run with 12V 400 mAmp. Let cell cool to within 5 degrees F of ambient. Run another 5 minutes with 12V 400 mAmp. Let cell cool to within 5 of ambient. Run 5 minutes @ 24VDC and 800 mAmp. Let cell cool to within 5 of ambient. Run 5 minutes with alternating between 24VDC 800 mAmp 8 seconds and 24VDC/12VDC rapid alternating pulses for 2 seconds (120-150 pulses per second) Continue recording data while cools to within 5 of ambient. For now, I'm just testing everything out, and not really expecting any LENR to be happening. If the delta T for run 4 is statistically significantly greater than run 3, we may suspect something interesting is happening. I'm sampling temp and amperage every 10 seconds. I'll post a video update when I get time to upload. Regards, Jack On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 8:37 AM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote: There are some interesting pieces of equipment on this website that may be useful in experimenting. http://www.amazing1.com/hv-hf-power-supplies.htm In particular, I'm thinking the high frequency AC would be useful in inducing high surface current flow in the electrodes (i.e., Robert Godes method). On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 6:49 AM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote: Chuck, I blew my wall wort power supplies. The IOIO board current for USB charging was set to low causing my phone to lose a connection with the board. This then caused the AC and DC supplies to short together. Which is not that big of a deal as I still have some that I haven't burned up yet. Really, I need to get some good power supplies with protection against things like that. The AC ones burn out pretty easily, so it is definitely better to pulse them on and off to give them time to cool. Anyway, I took that opportunity to relocate everything to my basement as the temperature variations in the garage add a complicating layer to all the measurements. At the same time, I got my temp sensors in from Atlas Scientific. I then hooked them up to the IOIO board and did the programming to measure the voltages and convert to temperature. They are working well. Just last night, I got everything set up again. I need to do a little more programming to save the recorded temperature values to a file. If I can get an AC power supply that will hold up, I'll do a several day automated run. 1. Run on DC only and see the max temp achieved. 2. Run on AC only and see the max temp achieved. 3. Run AC/DC switching and see the max temp achieved. I think in theory #3 should produce a max temp somewhere in between 1 and 2. If it's greater than 1 and 2, that would be very interesting. I'll make another video once I start running again. Jack On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Chuck Sites cbsit...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Jack for the find. Good info. I love the idea of doing a CF experiment via an Android phone app. Just add a couple of thermistors and a hacked together current and voltage multi-meter function and you will have all necessary measurements for calorimetry data collection. How is the experiment going by the way? For the DC/AC do charge the nickel with H. So, on the DC cycle, you will want to nickel to be Cathod (-) this time. The idea with the AC, is you want as much hydrogen stuffed into the niickel lattice as you can get initially. Once the surface lattice is loaded several atoms deep, switch the current to AC. Summery; start high-current DC with Nickel as the Cathode (-) to infuse H into the Nickel lattice. Then apply AC to alternate the electro-motive forces on the H in the lattice. If you using two nickels in the AC/DC experiment, then the nickel on the (-) cathode should get hot during the AC cycle. The purpose of the AC is to create an EMF that will vibrate the H such that fusion probability increases. Best Regards, Chuck On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Chuck. It's a fun hobby. I don't program in Java having done so much in visual basic over the years. Fortunately, I found a language for Android that is very much like VB called Basic4Androidhttps://www.plimus.com/jsp/redirect.jsp?contractId=1715566referrer=1047706. It has a library for the IOIO board. On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Chuck Sites cbsit...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks for sharing the video Jack. I really like how your controlling that with and Android and IOIO microcontroller.I'm a beginner Android developer and the little IOIO PIC device is really cool. That is a great way of doing a duty cycle on the AC/DC. Here is a nice discussion on the IOIO (yo-yo) board for others that might be interested.
Re: [Vo]:New experiment started AC/DC
Chuck, I blew my wall wort power supplies. The IOIO board current for USB charging was set to low causing my phone to lose a connection with the board. This then caused the AC and DC supplies to short together. Which is not that big of a deal as I still have some that I haven't burned up yet. Really, I need to get some good power supplies with protection against things like that. The AC ones burn out pretty easily, so it is definitely better to pulse them on and off to give them time to cool. Anyway, I took that opportunity to relocate everything to my basement as the temperature variations in the garage add a complicating layer to all the measurements. At the same time, I got my temp sensors in from Atlas Scientific. I then hooked them up to the IOIO board and did the programming to measure the voltages and convert to temperature. They are working well. Just last night, I got everything set up again. I need to do a little more programming to save the recorded temperature values to a file. If I can get an AC power supply that will hold up, I'll do a several day automated run. 1. Run on DC only and see the max temp achieved. 2. Run on AC only and see the max temp achieved. 3. Run AC/DC switching and see the max temp achieved. I think in theory #3 should produce a max temp somewhere in between 1 and 2. If it's greater than 1 and 2, that would be very interesting. I'll make another video once I start running again. Jack On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Chuck Sites cbsit...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Jack for the find. Good info. I love the idea of doing a CF experiment via an Android phone app. Just add a couple of thermistors and a hacked together current and voltage multi-meter function and you will have all necessary measurements for calorimetry data collection. How is the experiment going by the way? For the DC/AC do charge the nickel with H. So, on the DC cycle, you will want to nickel to be Cathod (-) this time. The idea with the AC, is you want as much hydrogen stuffed into the niickel lattice as you can get initially. Once the surface lattice is loaded several atoms deep, switch the current to AC. Summery; start high-current DC with Nickel as the Cathode (-) to infuse H into the Nickel lattice. Then apply AC to alternate the electro-motive forces on the H in the lattice. If you using two nickels in the AC/DC experiment, then the nickel on the (-) cathode should get hot during the AC cycle. The purpose of the AC is to create an EMF that will vibrate the H such that fusion probability increases. Best Regards, Chuck On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Chuck. It's a fun hobby. I don't program in Java having done so much in visual basic over the years. Fortunately, I found a language for Android that is very much like VB called Basic4Androidhttps://www.plimus.com/jsp/redirect.jsp?contractId=1715566referrer=1047706. It has a library for the IOIO board. On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Chuck Sites cbsit...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for sharing the video Jack. I really like how your controlling that with and Android and IOIO microcontroller.I'm a beginner Android developer and the little IOIO PIC device is really cool.That is a great way of doing a duty cycle on the AC/DC. Here is a nice discussion on the IOIO (yo-yo) board for others that might be interested. http://androidcontrol.blogspot.com/2011/10/ioio-board-for-android-control-io.html Best Regards, Chuck On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote: I shot a little video of my latest experiment with borax. It is controlled with an Android phone, IOIO microcontroller, and relay bank. I am switching back and forth between AC and DC current supplies. Pardon the mess of wires as I am early in the process. It is interesting how the electrolyte turns a copper brown color. That was after running 1 1/2 days on DC current at 5 to 13 watts. I'm using the same 8 nickels on the thoriated tungsten rod as a cathode and 4 stainless steel washers as the anode. There is more heating and almost no bubbles on AC. I'm not sure what brown color is about. I've seen this repeatedly. What I'm interested to try is to see the max temperature achieved by AC alone, then DC alone, and then AC and DC alternating for different periods of time. http://youtu.be/sH90M85S2mE Regards, Jack
Re: [Vo]:New experiment started AC/DC
There are some interesting pieces of equipment on this website that may be useful in experimenting. http://www.amazing1.com/hv-hf-power-supplies.htm In particular, I'm thinking the high frequency AC would be useful in inducing high surface current flow in the electrodes (i.e., Robert Godes method). On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 6:49 AM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote: Chuck, I blew my wall wort power supplies. The IOIO board current for USB charging was set to low causing my phone to lose a connection with the board. This then caused the AC and DC supplies to short together. Which is not that big of a deal as I still have some that I haven't burned up yet. Really, I need to get some good power supplies with protection against things like that. The AC ones burn out pretty easily, so it is definitely better to pulse them on and off to give them time to cool. Anyway, I took that opportunity to relocate everything to my basement as the temperature variations in the garage add a complicating layer to all the measurements. At the same time, I got my temp sensors in from Atlas Scientific. I then hooked them up to the IOIO board and did the programming to measure the voltages and convert to temperature. They are working well. Just last night, I got everything set up again. I need to do a little more programming to save the recorded temperature values to a file. If I can get an AC power supply that will hold up, I'll do a several day automated run. 1. Run on DC only and see the max temp achieved. 2. Run on AC only and see the max temp achieved. 3. Run AC/DC switching and see the max temp achieved. I think in theory #3 should produce a max temp somewhere in between 1 and 2. If it's greater than 1 and 2, that would be very interesting. I'll make another video once I start running again. Jack On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Chuck Sites cbsit...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Jack for the find. Good info. I love the idea of doing a CF experiment via an Android phone app. Just add a couple of thermistors and a hacked together current and voltage multi-meter function and you will have all necessary measurements for calorimetry data collection. How is the experiment going by the way? For the DC/AC do charge the nickel with H. So, on the DC cycle, you will want to nickel to be Cathod (-) this time. The idea with the AC, is you want as much hydrogen stuffed into the niickel lattice as you can get initially. Once the surface lattice is loaded several atoms deep, switch the current to AC. Summery; start high-current DC with Nickel as the Cathode (-) to infuse H into the Nickel lattice. Then apply AC to alternate the electro-motive forces on the H in the lattice. If you using two nickels in the AC/DC experiment, then the nickel on the (-) cathode should get hot during the AC cycle. The purpose of the AC is to create an EMF that will vibrate the H such that fusion probability increases. Best Regards, Chuck On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Chuck. It's a fun hobby. I don't program in Java having done so much in visual basic over the years. Fortunately, I found a language for Android that is very much like VB called Basic4Androidhttps://www.plimus.com/jsp/redirect.jsp?contractId=1715566referrer=1047706. It has a library for the IOIO board. On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Chuck Sites cbsit...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks for sharing the video Jack. I really like how your controlling that with and Android and IOIO microcontroller.I'm a beginner Android developer and the little IOIO PIC device is really cool.That is a great way of doing a duty cycle on the AC/DC. Here is a nice discussion on the IOIO (yo-yo) board for others that might be interested. http://androidcontrol.blogspot.com/2011/10/ioio-board-for-android-control-io.html Best Regards, Chuck On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote: I shot a little video of my latest experiment with borax. It is controlled with an Android phone, IOIO microcontroller, and relay bank. I am switching back and forth between AC and DC current supplies. Pardon the mess of wires as I am early in the process. It is interesting how the electrolyte turns a copper brown color. That was after running 1 1/2 days on DC current at 5 to 13 watts. I'm using the same 8 nickels on the thoriated tungsten rod as a cathode and 4 stainless steel washers as the anode. There is more heating and almost no bubbles on AC. I'm not sure what brown color is about. I've seen this repeatedly. What I'm interested to try is to see the max temperature achieved by AC alone, then DC alone, and then AC and DC alternating for different periods of time. http://youtu.be/sH90M85S2mE Regards, Jack
Re: [Vo]:New experiment started AC/DC
Thanks for sharing the video Jack. I really like how your controlling that with and Android and IOIO microcontroller.I'm a beginner Android developer and the little IOIO PIC device is really cool.That is a great way of doing a duty cycle on the AC/DC. Here is a nice discussion on the IOIO (yo-yo) board for others that might be interested. http://androidcontrol.blogspot.com/2011/10/ioio-board-for-android-control-io.html Best Regards, Chuck On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote: I shot a little video of my latest experiment with borax. It is controlled with an Android phone, IOIO microcontroller, and relay bank. I am switching back and forth between AC and DC current supplies. Pardon the mess of wires as I am early in the process. It is interesting how the electrolyte turns a copper brown color. That was after running 1 1/2 days on DC current at 5 to 13 watts. I'm using the same 8 nickels on the thoriated tungsten rod as a cathode and 4 stainless steel washers as the anode. There is more heating and almost no bubbles on AC. I'm not sure what brown color is about. I've seen this repeatedly. What I'm interested to try is to see the max temperature achieved by AC alone, then DC alone, and then AC and DC alternating for different periods of time. http://youtu.be/sH90M85S2mE Regards, Jack
Re: [Vo]:New experiment started AC/DC
Thanks Chuck. It's a fun hobby. I don't program in Java having done so much in visual basic over the years. Fortunately, I found a language for Android that is very much like VB called Basic4Androidhttps://www.plimus.com/jsp/redirect.jsp?contractId=1715566referrer=1047706. It has a library for the IOIO board. On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Chuck Sites cbsit...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for sharing the video Jack. I really like how your controlling that with and Android and IOIO microcontroller.I'm a beginner Android developer and the little IOIO PIC device is really cool.That is a great way of doing a duty cycle on the AC/DC. Here is a nice discussion on the IOIO (yo-yo) board for others that might be interested. http://androidcontrol.blogspot.com/2011/10/ioio-board-for-android-control-io.html Best Regards, Chuck On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote: I shot a little video of my latest experiment with borax. It is controlled with an Android phone, IOIO microcontroller, and relay bank. I am switching back and forth between AC and DC current supplies. Pardon the mess of wires as I am early in the process. It is interesting how the electrolyte turns a copper brown color. That was after running 1 1/2 days on DC current at 5 to 13 watts. I'm using the same 8 nickels on the thoriated tungsten rod as a cathode and 4 stainless steel washers as the anode. There is more heating and almost no bubbles on AC. I'm not sure what brown color is about. I've seen this repeatedly. What I'm interested to try is to see the max temperature achieved by AC alone, then DC alone, and then AC and DC alternating for different periods of time. http://youtu.be/sH90M85S2mE Regards, Jack
