Re: [Vo]:PreCog Proof
Once in my youth, while under the influence of a rye fungus, I came to the conclusion that the only explanation for the existence of free will was the multiverse long before it was vogue. At each cusp, when the decision was made by a sentient entity, a new universe was instantly created. Further review of the theory caused me to think that the multiverse was not actually created by the decision but act of choice only determined the path taken by the decisive entity. Time then becomes the flow of the entity through the multiverse. To that end, I have always wondered if Radin ever built a wince detector which could alter the image that was about to appear? Can the precog cops exist? Terry On Nov 20, 2007 7:35 PM, Jones Beene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/925987/many_scientists_are_convinced_that_man_can_see_the_future/index.html > > > Terry Blanton wrote: > > > I don't think this subject is OT. > > ... one suspects, prophecy or no, that "OT" does not refer to the old > testament in this case ;-) > >
Re: [Vo]:PreCog Proof
On Nov 20, 2007 11:34 PM, thomas malloy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Dr. Paul Werbos is a Program Director at the National Science > >Foundation. One of Werbos' personal interests is the possibility that > >Quantum Theory might allow for information to flow both forward and > >backward in time. Werbos imagines a realistic single universe theory. > >Dr. David Deutsch holds fast to the parallel universes idea: > > > I wonder what Hal Puthoff thinks about this? I doubt he would be put off by it. http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/Pages/CIA-InitiatedRV.html Terry
Re: [Vo]:PreCog Proof
Terry Blanton wrote: (I don't think this subject is OT. -Terry) I agree, IMHO, this is the queen of scientific anomalies. Schwartz, a Professor of psychology, medicine, neurology, psychiatry and surgery at the University of Arizona and Director of the Human Energy Systems Laboratory, I wonder if Beverly Rubric is involved in his research. Sarfatti had proposed a post-quantum theory based upon the work of the late Professor David Bohm, and noted physicist Anthony Valentini had devised a theory which allowed signals to travel faster than the speed of light. Dr. Sarfatti is a classic example of don't dismiss the message just because the messenger is a bit eccentric. Valentini's work, which is based on the pilot-wave interpretation of quantum theory championed by the late David Bohm, predicted a new kind of non-quantum matter, offering unique and almost magical properties. Sarfatti proposed that the human mind -- the essence of the consciousness experience -- operated "beyond space and time" in a way similar to Valentini's non-quantum matter. There he he goes, jumping to conclusions. IMHO, all that precognition demonstrates is that the nonorthogonal wave isn't bound by time. Dr. David Deutsch, at Oxford's Clarendon Laboratory, is a world-renowned expert in quantum information theory. Deutsch is also one of the most vocal and respected proponents of the Many Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Theory: our world is just one of a countless number of parallel universes. IMHO, it seem that Dr. Deutsch is getting some exercise too. IMHO, there is only one universe, and your looking at a part of it. The idea sounds like science fiction, The best Si Fi has the most science in it. Sarfatti, and other proponents of "quantum mind" explanations, claim that the experience of the human mind is evidence of the need for new physics. I wonder what Jeffery Satinover thinks about this. Chris Robinson claims the future comes to him at night, while he is asleep. He has developed a system of recalling and interpreting his nocturnal visions and records them as evidence that his mind is accessing future events. My one experience with deji vue was in a dream. If Mr. Robinson's mind truly does reach out and grasp the future, what are the implications for the nature of the human mind? More importantly, is it possible to imagine a human time machine without appealing to new physics? I draw the line at an energy wave transversing time. Dr. Paul Werbos is a Program Director at the National Science Foundation. One of Werbos' personal interests is the possibility that Quantum Theory might allow for information to flow both forward and backward in time. Werbos imagines a realistic single universe theory. Dr. David Deutsch holds fast to the parallel universes idea: I wonder what Hal Puthoff thinks about this? The Valentini and Sarfatti ideas require violation of a major cornerstone of Quantum Theory: the special non-quantum matter of Valentini and the post-quantum mind-stuff of Sarfatti do not obey the Born Rule that determines quantum probabilities. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
Re: [Vo]:PreCog Proof
http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/925987/many_scientists_are_convinced_that_man_can_see_the_future/index.html Terry Blanton wrote: I don't think this subject is OT. ... one suspects, prophecy or no, that "OT" does not refer to the old testament in this case ;-)
Re: [Vo]:PreCog Proof
Very interesting...
"...our world is just one of a countless number of parallel universes..." Have
to add, "each one as unreal as the next."
Hui Neng - the Sixth Patriarch of Zen - summed it all up by saying, "From the
first there is nothing." The other thing is, that he talked about "no-mind"
rather than "quantum mind."
It's good that intelligent people are thinking about thinking - or thinking
about no-thinking perhaps.
P.
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(I don't think this subject is OT. -Terry)
{entire article attached due to difficulty in access. . . for list use
only}
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=43239
It's a Strange World: The Human as Living Time Machine
Gary S. Bekkum
November 18, 2007
"It's a strange world."
It's not hard to find well educated persons who believe they have
experienced a premonition of a future event.
Perhaps no one has a greater burden to bear than Chris Robinson, who
claims to be a "dream detective": a man who has learned to use his
prescient talent for predicting future events, by understanding coded
messages revealed in dreams.
Robinson reported dreaming of airplanes crashing into buildings just
prior to the events of September 11th, 2001.
Robinson's premonitions were the subject of tests conducted by Gary
E.R. Schwartz, at the University of Arizona, in the summer of 2001.
I was first introduced to Dr. Schwartz a year earlier, in a private
email discussion involving San Francisco physicist Dr. Jack Sarfatti,
and his concept of a post-quantum theory of consciousness. Several
years passed before I heard of the "Arizona Experiments" Schwartz had
conducted with Mr. Robinson, a citizen of the United Kingdom.
Schwartz, a Professor of psychology, medicine, neurology, psychiatry
and surgery at the University of Arizona and Director of the Human
Energy Systems Laboratory, had expressed an interest in how the mind
could access information "beyond space and time," something Sarfatti
knew required going outside of accepted theory. Sarfatti had proposed
a post-quantum theory based upon the work of the late Professor David
Bohm, and noted physicist Anthony Valentini had devised a theory which
allowed signals to travel faster than the speed of light.
Valentini's work, which is based on the pilot-wave interpretation of
quantum theory championed by the late David Bohm, predicted a new kind
of non-quantum matter, offering unique and almost magical properties.
Sarfatti proposed that the human mind -- the essence of the
consciousness experience -- operated "beyond space and time" in a way
similar to Valentini's non-quantum matter.
Dr. David Deutsch, at Oxford's Clarendon Laboratory, is a
world-renowned expert in quantum information theory. Deutsch is also
one of the most vocal and respected proponents of the Many Worlds
Interpretation of Quantum Theory: our world is just one of a countless
number of parallel universes. The idea sounds like science fiction,
but over time the Many Worlds emerged as one of the most
self-consistent explanations of what Quantum Theory tells us about the
nature of the world in which we exist. Quantum experiments produce
effects that some physicists interpret as interference from particles
in the parallel worlds. Many cosmologists, like Dr. Max Tegmark, who
studies the relationship between the vastness of the entire universe
and the physics of the smallest scales where Quantum Theory rules,
also find the idea of Many Worlds of Parallel Universes compelling.
Different interpretations of Quantum Theory compete with each other in
the minds of great thinkers. The idea of parallel universes does not
require new physics: the Many Worlds of Parallel Universes fall out of
currently accepted theory and experiment. Valentini's ideas are
theoretical: they predict the possibility of new physics, beyond the
current models. Sarfatti, and other proponents of "quantum mind"
explanations, claim that the experience of the human mind is evidence
of the need for new physics.
Chris Robinson claims the future comes to him at night, while he is
asleep. He has developed a system of recalling and interpreting his
nocturnal visions and records them as evidence that his mind is
accessing future events.
If Mr. Robinson's mind truly does reach out and grasp the future, what
are the implications for the nature of the human mind? More
importantly, is it possible to imagine a human time machine without
appealing to new physics?
Dr. Paul Werbos is a Program Director at the National Science
Foundation. One of Werbos' personal interests is the possibility that
Quantum Theory might allow for information to flow both forward a
Re: [Vo]:PreCog Proof
(I don't think this subject is OT. -Terry)
{entire article attached due to difficulty in access. . . for list use only}
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=43239
It's a Strange World: The Human as Living Time Machine
Gary S. Bekkum
November 18, 2007
"It's a strange world."
It's not hard to find well educated persons who believe they have
experienced a premonition of a future event.
Perhaps no one has a greater burden to bear than Chris Robinson, who
claims to be a "dream detective": a man who has learned to use his
prescient talent for predicting future events, by understanding coded
messages revealed in dreams.
Robinson reported dreaming of airplanes crashing into buildings just
prior to the events of September 11th, 2001.
Robinson's premonitions were the subject of tests conducted by Gary
E.R. Schwartz, at the University of Arizona, in the summer of 2001.
I was first introduced to Dr. Schwartz a year earlier, in a private
email discussion involving San Francisco physicist Dr. Jack Sarfatti,
and his concept of a post-quantum theory of consciousness. Several
years passed before I heard of the "Arizona Experiments" Schwartz had
conducted with Mr. Robinson, a citizen of the United Kingdom.
Schwartz, a Professor of psychology, medicine, neurology, psychiatry
and surgery at the University of Arizona and Director of the Human
Energy Systems Laboratory, had expressed an interest in how the mind
could access information "beyond space and time," something Sarfatti
knew required going outside of accepted theory. Sarfatti had proposed
a post-quantum theory based upon the work of the late Professor David
Bohm, and noted physicist Anthony Valentini had devised a theory which
allowed signals to travel faster than the speed of light.
Valentini's work, which is based on the pilot-wave interpretation of
quantum theory championed by the late David Bohm, predicted a new kind
of non-quantum matter, offering unique and almost magical properties.
Sarfatti proposed that the human mind -- the essence of the
consciousness experience -- operated "beyond space and time" in a way
similar to Valentini's non-quantum matter.
Dr. David Deutsch, at Oxford's Clarendon Laboratory, is a
world-renowned expert in quantum information theory. Deutsch is also
one of the most vocal and respected proponents of the Many Worlds
Interpretation of Quantum Theory: our world is just one of a countless
number of parallel universes. The idea sounds like science fiction,
but over time the Many Worlds emerged as one of the most
self-consistent explanations of what Quantum Theory tells us about the
nature of the world in which we exist. Quantum experiments produce
effects that some physicists interpret as interference from particles
in the parallel worlds. Many cosmologists, like Dr. Max Tegmark, who
studies the relationship between the vastness of the entire universe
and the physics of the smallest scales where Quantum Theory rules,
also find the idea of Many Worlds of Parallel Universes compelling.
Different interpretations of Quantum Theory compete with each other in
the minds of great thinkers. The idea of parallel universes does not
require new physics: the Many Worlds of Parallel Universes fall out of
currently accepted theory and experiment. Valentini's ideas are
theoretical: they predict the possibility of new physics, beyond the
current models. Sarfatti, and other proponents of "quantum mind"
explanations, claim that the experience of the human mind is evidence
of the need for new physics.
Chris Robinson claims the future comes to him at night, while he is
asleep. He has developed a system of recalling and interpreting his
nocturnal visions and records them as evidence that his mind is
accessing future events.
If Mr. Robinson's mind truly does reach out and grasp the future, what
are the implications for the nature of the human mind? More
importantly, is it possible to imagine a human time machine without
appealing to new physics?
Dr. Paul Werbos is a Program Director at the National Science
Foundation. One of Werbos' personal interests is the possibility that
Quantum Theory might allow for information to flow both forward and
backward in time. Werbos imagines a realistic single universe theory.
Dr. David Deutsch holds fast to the parallel universes idea: his view
is that pilot-wave theories, like David Bohm's interpretation which
forms the basis of both Valentini and Sarfatti's ideas, is merely
"Many Worlds in denial." According to Deutsch, the idea of information
moving backwards in time also requires parallel universes, which he
describes in his book, "The Fabric of Reality."
I recently wrote to David Deutsch and asked about the Many Worlds
interpretation of loops in time forming time machines, as opposed to
other ideas like Valentini and Sarfatti have proposed. The Valentini
and Sarfatti ideas require violation of a major cornerstone of Quantum
Theory: the special non-quantum matter of Valenti
