Re: [Vo]:Rossi : customer can refill
At a minimum a replaceable cartridge needs to have an additional supply of hydrogen - and that means a sealable connection (not something you would necessarily trust a muppet consumer with - a lot of people don't even know how to tighten a nut. Also if we are to believe recent speculation about RF excitation that that would need to be delivered to the inside of the cartridge somehow. My speculation is that it is just the addition of an extra dose of powder through a sealable port into an oversized reaction chamber - the old powder may be somewhat inert but the new powder's activity isn't hampered by the presence of the old. On 12 January 2012 23:56, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 03:46 PM 1/12/2012, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Yes it is a BIG change. The reactor design must be VERY different. It is a good development. Go Rossi Go. It must be an integrated Nickel+Hydrogen cartridge.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi : customer can refill
Also if it is just an extra dose of powder: How do you contain the vacuum..? What kind of cheap and save mechanism could it be to contain the vacuum? Or to create a new one after refueling? Or will the reactor core completely be replaced and recycled in a factory? Wolf At a minimum a replaceable cartridge needs to have an additional supply of hydrogen - and that means a sealable connection (not something you would necessarily trust a muppet consumer with - a lot of people don't even know how to tighten a nut. Also if we are to believe recent speculation about RF excitation that that would need to be delivered to the inside of the cartridge somehow. My speculation is that it is just the addition of an extra dose of powder through a sealable port into an oversized reaction chamber - the old powder may be somewhat inert but the new powder's activity isn't hampered by the presence of the old. On 12 January 2012 23:56, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com mailto:a...@well.com wrote: At 03:46 PM 1/12/2012, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Yes it is a BIG change. The reactor design must be VERY different. It is a good development. Go Rossi Go. It must be an integrated Nickel+Hydrogen cartridge.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi : customer can refill
You probably don't need a vacuum as the system normally runs pressurised. After you have replaced the powder pressurise it with hydrogen and then vent it. Repeat this several times and there will be almost no air left in it. If the powder has been processed correctly beforehand then a short exposure to the atmosphere at room temperature will probably not make much difference to it chemically, any surface oxidation that does occur will quickly be reduced by exposure to hydrogen at high temperature. I got the impression from Rossi's demos that he wasn't being very careful about preventing the powder from being exposed to atmosphere, and wasn't using a vacuum pump. On 13 January 2012 10:25, Wolf Fischer wolffisc...@gmx.de wrote: Also if it is just an extra dose of powder: How do you contain the vacuum..? What kind of cheap and save mechanism could it be to contain the vacuum? Or to create a new one after refueling? Or will the reactor core completely be replaced and recycled in a factory? Wolf At a minimum a replaceable cartridge needs to have an additional supply of hydrogen - and that means a sealable connection (not something you would necessarily trust a muppet consumer with - a lot of people don't even know how to tighten a nut. Also if we are to believe recent speculation about RF excitation that that would need to be delivered to the inside of the cartridge somehow. My speculation is that it is just the addition of an extra dose of powder through a sealable port into an oversized reaction chamber - the old powder may be somewhat inert but the new powder's activity isn't hampered by the presence of the old. On 12 January 2012 23:56, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 03:46 PM 1/12/2012, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Yes it is a BIG change. The reactor design must be VERY different. It is a good development. Go Rossi Go. It must be an integrated Nickel+Hydrogen cartridge.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi : customer can refill
The requirement that a certified service technician be required to refill the fuel supply every 6 months has been a large burden. This announcement is welcome and will ensure that the ECATs become widely accepted. The news keeps getting better all the time. I am not sure that there are any serious issues left to resolve at this point except maybe for the power-up and power-down times. And of course, it would be wonderful if the devices could be miniturized. Dave -Original Message- From: Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Jan 12, 2012 7:12 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi : customer can refill How he has managed to do this will be very interesting to see. I can nly imagine the whole sealed reactor assembly must be replaced and then ecycled. The mentioned $10 does seem to be way too low a price unless he sealed reactor is a throw away item (throw away into the recycle rash bin). Maybe like a dead D cell battery? AG n 1/13/2012 10:26 AM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: At 03:46 PM 1/12/2012, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Yes it is a BIG change. The reactor design must be VERY different. It is a good development. Go Rossi Go. It must be an integrated Nickel+Hydrogen cartridge.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi : customer can refill
I agree. This changes things significantly. It will be interesting to see how this is achieved. It's simple enough to change a cartridge with the nickel powder but how is the hydrogen taken care of? Perhaps the whole reactor core including the hydrogen storage is built into some sort of cartridge which then gets returned to the supplier for refilling / recycling much like gas cylinders. On 13/01/12 14:41, David Roberson wrote: The requirement that a certified service technicianbe required to refill the fuel supply every 6 months has been a large burden. This announcement is welcome and will ensure that the ECATs become widely accepted. The news keeps getting better all the time. I am not sure that there are any serious issues left to resolve at this point except maybe for the power-up and power-down times. And of course, it would be wonderful if the devices could be miniturized. Dave
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On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote: Yes it is a BIG change. The reactor design must be VERY different. It is a good development. Go Rossi Go. It is just one more extravagant claim without one tiny shred of proof.
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Hum, seems hard to do. my point of view is that maybe it will be replacing the full core, with Ni, H, primary cooling, and maybe electronic... once shutdown, the reactor will be simply plumbed/pluged-out like a printer cartridge... it can also look like the modern anti-stealing autoradio, where most of intelligence and price is removable. 2012/1/13 Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com At a minimum a replaceable cartridge needs to have an additional supply of hydrogen - and that means a sealable connection (not something you would necessarily trust a muppet consumer with - a lot of people don't even know how to tighten a nut. Also if we are to believe recent speculation about RF excitation that that would need to be delivered to the inside of the cartridge somehow. My speculation is that it is just the addition of an extra dose of powder through a sealable port into an oversized reaction chamber - the old powder may be somewhat inert but the new powder's activity isn't hampered by the presence of the old.
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On 12-01-13 12:21 PM, Alain Sepeda wrote: Hum, seems hard to do. my point of view is that maybe it will be replacing the full core, with Ni, H, primary cooling, and maybe electronic... once shutdown, the reactor will be simply plumbed/pluged-out like a printer cartridge... Good analogy. Last time I bought a printer cartridge I think it was about $30. It would be amazing if the E-Cat cartridge was really 1/3 the cost of a printer cartridge. (Maybe he meant euros.)
Re: [Vo]:Rossi : customer can refill
I wonder if the $10 refill includes the self destruct mechanism or if that's perhaps an extra cost option.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi : customer can refill
In reply to Energy Liberator's message of Fri, 13 Jan 2012 15:04:56 +: Hi, [snip] I agree. This changes things significantly. It will be interesting to see how this is achieved. It's simple enough to change a cartridge with the nickel powder but how is the hydrogen taken care of? Perhaps the whole reactor core including the hydrogen storage is built into some sort of cartridge which then gets returned to the supplier for refilling / recycling much like gas cylinders. If the Hydrogen is stored in a metal hydride and released by heating, then the cartridge concept could work quite well. The only external connections required would be for cooling water and electrical (one multi pronged plug). The controller would be external. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
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Yes it is a BIG change. The reactor design must be VERY different. It is a good development. Go Rossi Go. AG On 1/13/2012 9:57 AM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: January 12th, 2012 at 5:51 PM Andrea Rossi http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=563cpage=11#comment-168783 Dear Mattia Zirzi: 1- Yes, every 6 months the domestic E-Cat will have to be refilled 2- the refilling operation will be made by the Customer himself or by his usual plumber, or installer. It will be a very simple operation. Warm Regards, A.R. That's a BIG change ... I was wondering how he was going to deliver a $10 recharge with a visit from an approved installer. (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat -- Hi, google!)
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At 03:46 PM 1/12/2012, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Yes it is a BIG change. The reactor design must be VERY different. It is a good development. Go Rossi Go. It must be an integrated Nickel+Hydrogen cartridge.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi : customer can refill
How he has managed to do this will be very interesting to see. I can only imagine the whole sealed reactor assembly must be replaced and then recycled. The mentioned $10 does seem to be way too low a price unless the sealed reactor is a throw away item (throw away into the recycle trash bin). Maybe like a dead D cell battery? AG On 1/13/2012 10:26 AM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: At 03:46 PM 1/12/2012, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Yes it is a BIG change. The reactor design must be VERY different. It is a good development. Go Rossi Go. It must be an integrated Nickel+Hydrogen cartridge.
