Re: OSX/IOS notes in iCloud - problem with iPad

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Neil,

From what I understand (but other members that know more about the Notes App, 
please help),
even to see the new features and sync those notes to other devices, you must 
“upgrade” your Notes accounts after updating to iOS 9 (or OS X 10.11 El 
Capitan). 
The problem with doing so is that the Notes app in 10.10 Yosemite (and iOS 8) 
doesn’t support the new format, so notes in your iCloud account won’t sync 
until upgraded. 

So your choice is probably… Upgrade the iPhone 4S to iOS 9.3.5

Upgrade Notes on your iOS 9 devices and use the iCloud.com Web app on 
unsupported devices.

On the iPads - Settings > Notes - Accounts - Default Account is iCloud - I’m 
thinking you might also have “On My iPad” account selected?

Cheers,
Ronni

13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage

macOS High Sierra 10.13.6


> On 3 May 2019, at 2:03 pm, Neil Houghton  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronni,
>  
> Yes, I am signed into icloud on the ipads and can see all the notes in my 
> icloud on the ipads. The problem is that we can only create new notes “on my 
> ipad” and cannot move these notes to icloud.
> No, I have not upgraded our notes on the ipad. My understanding was that if 
> we DO do that then it is the actual notes in our icloud accounts that get 
> upgraded to the newer notes format and that if we do that then our iPhones 
> (old iPhone4s running ios 7.1.2) will no longer be able to read these notes. 
> Given that Georgie uses notes on her phone much more than on her iPad she 
> would be very upset if she could no longer read the notes.
> My understanding was that if you did NOT upgrade then you would continue to 
> use the old note format and so would miss out on any of the new features 
> introduced with the notes – that is certainly how it works on my iMac which 
> is running El Capitan and so is able to be upgraded to the new notes format 
> (like the ipads) but I can still create notes in icloud which can be read on 
> both the phones and the ipads and I can move notes from “on my computer” to 
> icloud – so I sort of assumed that the same thing would work on the ipads?
>  
> So is our problem an Apple “feature” in that the OSX Notes app WILL let us 
> create notes in icloud without upgrading to the new notes format but the IOS 
> notes app will NOT allow this?
>  
> Cheers
>  
>  
> Neil
> (still confused)
> -- 
> Neil R. Houghton
> Albany, Western Australia
> Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
> Email: n...@possumology.com 
>  
>  
> From:  > on behalf of Ronni 
> Brown mailto:ro...@mac.com>>
> Reply-To: WAMUG mailto:wamug@wamug.org.au>>
> Date: Thursday, 02 May 2019 at 14:34
> To: WAMUG mailto:wamug@wamug.org.au>>
> Subject: Re: OSX/IOS notes in iCloud - problem with iPad
>  
> Hi Neil,
>  
>  
> I’ve only been able to give your message a quick read… so this may sound 
> stupid… but are you sure you are signed into your iCloud account on the 
> iPads. Using the same Apple ID doesn't mean your iPad automatically connects 
> to your iCloud. 
> This is very possible especially if you set up your iPad using iTunes not 
> iCloud backup. 
> Check to be sure you are signed into your iCloud account.
> 
> Another quick thought: You did upgrade your Notes when you installed iOS9 or 
> later?
> Upgrading Your Notes
> • Update to iOS 9 or later. ... 
> • Open the Notes app on your iPad. ... 
> • Tap the "<" button to view the folder list if you aren't 
> prompted to upgrade. ... 
> • Tap "Upgrade" in the upper corner. ... 
> • Tap "Upgrade Now" when prompted. ... 
> • Wait while your Notes app upgrades
>  
>  >
>  
> Sorry if none of above is of any help at all for you ;-(
>  
> Kind regards,
>  
> Ronni
> 
> 
>> On 1 May 2019, at 8:43 pm, Neil Houghton > > wrote:
>>  
>> OK so I’m getting very confused with how notes synching works/does not work 
>> in icloud:
>>  
>> On my iMac, OSX 10.11.6, Notes version 4.2 everything works fine – I can see 
>> notes sections for icloud, bigpond, internode, outlook and “on my computer” 
>> I create notes in the iCloud section and they go to my iCloud notes and can 
>> be seen on all devices. Old notes that were shown as “on my computer” could 
>> just be dragged and dropped to the icloud section and were then accessible 
>> across devices.
>>  
>> Even on my (very) old iPhone 4 running ios 7.1.2 everything works fine – I 
>> have the default account set as icloud and new notes are created in icloud 
>> and are then accessible across devices.
>>  
>> However on my iPad running the most up-to-date compatible ios 10.3.3 I can 
>> see all my icloud notes and I have icloud set as my default notes account 
>> BUT 

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Good afternoon all,

Is there any reason why I should not install Chrome on my iMac (10.14.4) ?
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Re: Problems moving iTunes Music to external drive

[Alan Smith]

An update - and closure.

Not just a wrong turn, but off the track and in a ravine.  Needed to take 
several steps back and start again.

My main error: Last night I updated my music files and made the two iMacs 
identical for content. In my excitement I got up very early this morning to 
copy the content to the Mac Mini external drive.  But I forgot to actually copy 
the complete iTunes structure with library database so just had a copy of the 
songs. Of course the Mini library could not associate properly with the files.  
 Second error and learning: Restoring from Time Machine with recent data also 
resulted in missing files and corrupt links for TV and Movies.  Reason was that 
the external drive with movies was excluded from TM backup.

I have just copied the complete iTunes file structure from an iMac to the Mini. 
 Music and playlists are now ok.  Purchased TV and Movies are all in  “download 
ready” status and appear to be ok.  This was fortunate because the Mini SSD 
would be bang full with both movies and music on the internal SSD.  I can copy 
movies from their external drive source manually when needed.  And Apple TV is 
good too with limited choice of shows.

Now to get the music to the external drive and initiate Home Sharing or its 
modern equivalent. But not at 4am tomorrow.

Wamug school teacher members may say that education is fun, but this set of 
learnings has been painful.

Cheers
Alan


> On 3 May 2019, at 11:35 am, Alan Smith  wrote:
> 
> I took a wrong turn somewhere in moving my music from an old iMac computer to 
> an external drive attached to a Mac Mini.  Any directions to get back on 
> track would be very welcome.
> 
> The iTunes app does not display any songs, only a list of purchased items 
> available for download.   Further, the links to some Movies and TV Shows have 
> been lost and some metadata of individual files corrupted.  A new library 
> database was created automatically during my work.  Trash was emptied during 
> the exercise.
> 
> iTunes and the Mac Mini, with Films on the external drive, has been fault 
> free for over 12 months.  I decided to move my music collection across to 
> make the Mini a full media server.   The eventual aim was to maintain a 
> single music database and invoke Home Sharing for music access on two local 
> iMacs.   But…
> 
> I have Time Machine and Super Duper backups if they would be helpful in 
> fixing my mess.
> 
> Mac Mini is late 2014 model with 256GB SSD.  MacOS is High Sierra 10.13.6 and 
> iTunes is ver 12.8.2.3
> 
> Regards
> Alan
> 
> 
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Re: OSX/IOS notes in iCloud - problem with iPad

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Ronni,

 
Yes, I am signed into icloud on the ipads and can see all the notes in my 
icloud on the ipads. The problem is that we can only create new notes “on my 
ipad” and cannot move these notes to icloud.
No, I have not upgraded our notes on the ipad. My understanding was that if we 
DO do that then it is the actual notes in our icloud accounts that get upgraded 
to the newer notes format and that if we do that then our iPhones (old iPhone4s 
running ios 7.1.2) will no longer be able to read these notes. Given that 
Georgie uses notes on her phone much more than on her iPad she would be very 
upset if she could no longer read the notes.
My understanding was that if you did NOT upgrade then you would continue to use 
the old note format and so would miss out on any of the new features introduced 
with the notes – that is certainly how it works on my iMac which is running El 
Capitan and so is able to be upgraded to the new notes format (like the ipads) 
but I can still create notes in icloud which can be read on both the phones and 
the ipads and I can move notes from “on my computer” to icloud – so I sort of 
assumed that the same thing would work on the ipads?
 

So is our problem an Apple “feature” in that the OSX Notes app WILL let us 
create notes in icloud without upgrading to the new notes format but the IOS 
notes app will NOT allow this?

 

Cheers

 

 

Neil

(still confused)

-- 

Neil R. Houghton

Albany, Western Australia

Tel: +61 8 9841 6063

Email: n...@possumology.com

 

 

From:  on behalf of Ronni Brown 

Reply-To: WAMUG 
Date: Thursday, 02 May 2019 at 14:34
To: WAMUG 
Subject: Re: OSX/IOS notes in iCloud - problem with iPad

 

Hi Neil,

 

 

I’ve only been able to give your message a quick read… so this may sound 
stupid… but are you sure you are signed into your iCloud account on the iPads. 
Using the same Apple ID doesn't mean your iPad automatically connects to your 
iCloud. 

This is very possible especially if you set up your iPad using iTunes not 
iCloud backup. 

Check to be sure you are signed into your iCloud account.

Another quick thought: You did upgrade your Notes when you installed iOS9 or 
later?

Upgrading Your Notes

    • Update to iOS 9 or later. ... 

    • Open the Notes app on your iPad. ... 

    • Tap the "<" button to view the folder list if you aren't 
prompted to upgrade. ... 

    • Tap "Upgrade" in the upper corner. ... 

    • Tap "Upgrade Now" when prompted. ... 

    • Wait while your Notes app upgrades

 



 

Sorry if none of above is of any help at all for you ;-(

 

Kind regards,

 

Ronni



On 1 May 2019, at 8:43 pm, Neil Houghton  wrote:

 

OK so I’m getting very confused with how notes synching works/does not work in 
icloud:

 

On my iMac, OSX 10.11.6, Notes version 4.2 everything works fine – I can see 
notes sections for icloud, bigpond, internode, outlook and “on my computer” I 
create notes in the iCloud section and they go to my iCloud notes and can be 
seen on all devices. Old notes that were shown as “on my computer” could just 
be dragged and dropped to the icloud section and were then accessible across 
devices.

 

Even on my (very) old iPhone 4 running ios 7.1.2 everything works fine – I have 
the default account set as icloud and new notes are created in icloud and are 
then accessible across devices.

 

However on my iPad running the most up-to-date compatible ios 10.3.3 I can see 
all my icloud notes and I have icloud set as my default notes account BUT every 
new note created is created “on my ipad”. 

I can not find any way to change it so that new notes are created in icloud – 
even though that is the default account. I also cannot move the notes from “on 
my ipad” to “icloud” – I can go “edit” then select a note (or notes) and hit 
“move to” but the only place which is available to move to (or create new 
folders in) is “on my ipad” – ICLOUD just is not visible in the move to window. 

 

I should note that Georgina sees similar behaviour on her devices – an iPhone 4 
which works fine and an older mini iPad running its most up-to-date compatible 
ios 9.3.5 – in her case she can also see both icloud and on my ipad notes but 
can only create notes on the ipad. Her settings are different the only bit that 
allows a default account to be selected is “default account for siri” which 
shows both icloud and on my ipad  but selecting icloud makes no difference. Her 
settings also has a toggle switch for the “on my ipad” account which is on – 
but the setting is greyed out and does not seem to let you change it. Again 
selecting one of the on my ipad notes and trying the “move to” command only 
shows destinations “on my ipad”

 

It seems very strange that this works fine on the mac and the very old iphones 
but not on the ipads?

 

Any ideas.

 

 

Cheers

 

 

Neil

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Neil R. Houghton

Albany,