Re: [WAMUG] External Monitor for MacBook Pro

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Rod,

 

Sounds like a good plan. For me, if you can find a reasonable deal, I would 
reckon it is worth going to the 2560 x 1440 over the 1920x1080 for a couple of 
reasons:
Screen resolutions have been increasing for a while and, though you don’t need 
4K, I certainly find the QHD 2560x1440 resolution is noticeably better than the 
HD 1920x1080. 
2560x1440 is the same resolution as your 27” iMac – so you then have the option 
of a dual 2560x1440 desktop for:
As a second monitor for your iMac (if you still use it).
Provided your model MacBook pro will drive dual extended displays and you 
resolve the connection issue (as previously discussed, either directly or via a 
Luna display) – then as an external monitor for your MacBook pro with the iMac 
as an extended desktop display.
I would also note that if you find a monitor with both HDMI and Display Port 
inputs (like mine) you can have it simultaneously connected to both the iMac 
(via Display Port) and the MacBook Pro (via HDMI) and chose which computer you 
use it with at any time by just changing the source input on the monitor (I 
tried this & it works as expected).

 

Also price and availability seem to change rapidly and the upcoming EOFY may 
offer new deals but may reduce availability – for example, looking at 
Officeworks today, I cannot see my model listed anymore but:
The flat screen version of my curved monitor is available at a price that is 
$44 more than I paid for the (normally more expensive) curved version 
https://www.officeworks.com.au/shop/officeworks/p/lenovo-31-5-2k-qhd-ips-monitor-d32q-20-syl65f7gac
The height adjustable version of my curved monitor is shown at a price that is 
$8 less than I paid for the non-height adjustable version – but is not actually 
available!! 
https://www.officeworks.com.au/shop/officeworks/p/lenovo-31-5-2k-qhd-1ms-144hz-curved-gaming-monitor-g32qc-10-sy66a2gacb
 

Anyway, it really boils down to being clear on what sort of display real estate 
you want/need and getting what suits your working methods, so – shop around!

 

 

Cheers

 

 

Neil

 

 

From:  on behalf of Rod Blitvich 

Reply-To: WAMUG 
Date: Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 09:10
To: WAMUG 
Subject: Re: [WAMUG] External Monitor for MacBook Pro

 

Thanks to everyone for your useful advice.

So I’m thinking it doesn’t seem essential to spend big bucks.

Nor does it seem the monitor needs to be labelled “mac compatible”.

Probably don’t need 4K resolution, but 1920x1080 or 2560 x 1440  might be nice.

 

I am wondering whether Brightness specs are important? Some are 250 nits? 
Others are 300 or higher.

 

Anyway going to look around at Officeworks and JB.

 

But First - I HAVE TO TIDY THE STUDY!

🤣

 

Thanks again everyone

Blitto

 

 



Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
  rb...@iinet.net.au 






On 17 May 2022, at 4:57 pm, Marcus Harris  wrote:

 

I bought a 27 inch frameless monitor, 2560x1440 resolution with HDMI connection 
from Kogan. It was about $300 a year ago.

It’s perfect for general use.

I believe the main thing that others have noted is that QHD 2560x1440 
resolution is far superior to HD 1920x1080, so pay that bit extra.

Cheers

Marcus
Marcus Harris
P.O. Box 7135
Shenton Park
Western Australia 6008
Australia
Cryptodome Pty Ltd
cryptodo...@me.com
Mob: +61 (0) 417965618



 



On 16 May 2022, at 7:36 pm, Neil Houghton  wrote:

 

Hi Rod,

 

I’d second what Peter said – I’ve bought a couple of external monitors over the 
last 14 months and both have just connected and worked with both my late 2009 
27” iMac and my new 13” M1 Macbook air. I think the best approach is really to 
just think about:

· what sort of display real estate you want/need

· what is the resolution of your computer

· what is the driving capacity of your computer

 

For myself:

· My iMac has a native resolution of 2560x 1440 and simultaneously 
supports full native resolution on the built-in display and up to a 30-inch 
display (2560 by 1600 pixels) on an external display

· My MacBook Air has a native resolution of 2560 × 1600 and 
simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display and one 
external display with up to 6016x3384 resolution at 60Hz

· My Phillips 273v7qdsb has Native Resolution of 1920 x 1080 and HDMI, 
DVI-D and D-sub inputs.

· My Lenovo D32qc-20 has Native Resolution of 2560 x 1440 and HDMI and 
Display Port inputs.

 

For my main iMac, I am frequently running multiple Excel spreadsheets and/or 
multiple browser windows with many tabs in each – so my need was for an 
extended desktop to maximise viewing area. Initially I had the Phillips 
attached with a direct mini display port to hdmi cable - which all worked fine 
but I found the discontinuity of tracking from the 2560x1440 iMac screen to the 
1920x1080 monitor screen sufficiently annoying that I ended up reducing the 
iMac resolution to 1920x1080 t

Re: [WAMUG] External Monitor for MacBook Pro

[Peter Crisp]

Yes Blitto, that's exactly what I would be doing. Brightness will be
adjustable. If you're budget constrained, then the lesser resolution
will still be fine. My Lenovo's were $180 a piece - dirt cheap, fine
to use for my engineering/PM type work. 

Kind Regards

Peter Crisp

- Original Message -
From: wamug@wamug.org.au
To:"WA Mac User Group Mac User Group" 
Cc:
Sent:Wed, 18 May 2022 09:04:35 +0800
Subject:Re: [WAMUG] External Monitor for MacBook Pro

 Thanks to everyone for your useful advice.So I’m thinking it
doesn’t seem essential to spend big bucks.Nor does it seem the
monitor needs to be labelled “mac compatible”.
Probably don’t need 4K resolution, but 1920x1080 or 2560 x 1440 
might be nice.
I am wondering whether Brightness specs are important? Some are 250
nits? Others are 300 or higher.
Anyway going to look around at Officeworks and JB.
But First - I HAVE TO TIDY THE STUDY!🤣
Thanks again everyoneBlitto

ROD BLITVICH  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
  rb...@iinet.net.au 

On 17 May 2022, at 4:57 pm, Marcus Harris  wrote:
I bought a 27 inch frameless monitor, 2560x1440 resolution with HDMI
connection from Kogan. It was about $300 a year ago.It’s perfect for
general use.I believe the main thing that others have noted is that
QHD 2560x1440 resolution is far superior to HD 1920x1080, so pay
that bit extra.Cheers
 Marcus
Marcus Harris
P.O. Box 7135
Shenton Park
Western Australia 6008
Australia
Cryptodome Pty Ltd
cryptodo...@me.com [2]
Mob: +61 (0) 417965618

On 16 May 2022, at 7:36 pm, Neil Houghton  wrote:
Hi Rod,

 I’d second what Peter said – I’ve bought a couple of external
monitors over the last 14 months and both have just connected and
worked with both my late 2009 27” iMac and my new 13” M1 Macbook
air. I think the best approach is really to just think about:

* what sort of display real estate you want/need

* what is the resolution of your computer

* what is the driving capacity of your computer

 For myself:

* My iMac has a native resolution of 2560x 1440 and simultaneously
supports full native resolution on the built-in display and up to a
30-inch display (2560 by 1600 pixels) on an external display

* My MacBook Air has a native resolution of 2560 × 1600 and
simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display
and one external display with up to 6016x3384 resolution at 60Hz

* My Phillips 273v7qdsb has Native Resolution of 1920 x 1080 and
HDMI, DVI-D and D-sub inputs.

* My Lenovo D32qc-20 has Native Resolution of 2560 x 1440 and HDMI
and Display Port inputs.

 For my main iMac, I am frequently running multiple Excel
spreadsheets and/or multiple browser windows with many tabs in each
– so my need was for an extended desktop to maximise viewing area.
Initially I had the Phillips attached with a direct mini display port
to hdmi cable - which all worked fine but I found the discontinuity of
tracking from the 2560x1440 iMac screen to the 1920x1080 monitor
screen sufficiently annoying that I ended up reducing the iMac
resolution to 1920x1080 to match the monitor – which I found much
more useable. However it seemed a shame to have to resort to
downgrading the iMac resolution – so, given that the iMac can
support video output up to 2560x1600 - I decided to upgrade the
monitor and bought the 32” Lenovo.

 As per my previous post, when I initially connected the Lenovo,
using the same direct mini display port to hdmi cable, I found that
the maximum resolution that the iMac could see was 1920 x 1080 but I
then bought a mini display port to display port cable – which
unlocked the full 2560 x 1440 resolution of the monitor – which now
gives a seamless extended desktop of 2x 2560x1440 – which works
great for me.

 I now use the Phillips with the MacBook Air at home  - I have a
USB-C hub with an HDMI port and an HDMI cable to handle the connection
and I have the monitor set as the main display and the MacBook display
just set to mirror the monitor – I find the 13” screen hard to
view without glasses but the 27” is great.

 So, as you see, different setups for different purposes – but, if
you are looking to use an extended desktop with 2 displays/monitors, I
do find having the same vertical resolution makes for a seamless
pointer transition between the two screens and avoids the annoyance of
the pointer ‘banging into the brick wall”.

 I did see if the Macbook air would drive both the external monitor
AND the Luna Display connected 27” iMac – but the Luna display app
just told me that I had reached the display limit of my computer. The
Luna Display app obviously makes the iMac just look like an external
display and, since the MacBook air will only drive one external
monitor, it is either/or but not both!

 I’m not sure what size your 2021 MacBook Pro is – the 13”
seems to have the same capability as my MacBook Air whilst 

Re: [WAMUG] External Monitor for MacBook Pro

[Rod Blitvich]

Thanks to everyone for your useful advice.
So I’m thinking it doesn’t seem essential to spend big bucks.
Nor does it seem the monitor needs to be labelled “mac compatible”.
Probably don’t need 4K resolution, but 1920x1080 or 2560 x 1440  might be nice.

I am wondering whether Brightness specs are important? Some are 250 nits? 
Others are 300 or higher.

Anyway going to look around at Officeworks and JB.

But First - I HAVE TO TIDY THE STUDY!
🤣

Thanks again everyone
Blitto





Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
  rb...@iinet.net.au  



> On 17 May 2022, at 4:57 pm, Marcus Harris  wrote:
> 
> I bought a 27 inch frameless monitor, 2560x1440 resolution with HDMI 
> connection from Kogan. It was about $300 a year ago.
> It’s perfect for general use.
> I believe the main thing that others have noted is that QHD 2560x1440 
> resolution is far superior to HD 1920x1080, so pay that bit extra.
> Cheers
> Marcus
> Marcus Harris
> P.O. Box 7135
> Shenton Park
> Western Australia 6008
> Australia
> Cryptodome Pty Ltd
> cryptodo...@me.com 
> Mob: +61 (0) 417965618
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 16 May 2022, at 7:36 pm, Neil Houghton > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Rod,
>>  
>> I’d second what Peter said – I’ve bought a couple of external monitors over 
>> the last 14 months and both have just connected and worked with both my late 
>> 2009 27” iMac and my new 13” M1 Macbook air. I think the best approach is 
>> really to just think about:
>> what sort of display real estate you want/need
>> what is the resolution of your computer
>> what is the driving capacity of your computer
>>  
>> For myself:
>> My iMac has a native resolution of 2560x 1440 and simultaneously supports 
>> full native resolution on the built-in display and up to a 30-inch display 
>> (2560 by 1600 pixels) on an external display
>> My MacBook Air has a native resolution of 2560 × 1600 and simultaneously 
>> supports full native resolution on the built-in display and one external 
>> display with up to 6016x3384 resolution at 60Hz
>> My Phillips 273v7qdsb has Native Resolution of 1920 x 1080 and HDMI, DVI-D 
>> and D-sub inputs.
>> My Lenovo D32qc-20 has Native Resolution of 2560 x 1440 and HDMI and Display 
>> Port inputs.
>>  
>> For my main iMac, I am frequently running multiple Excel spreadsheets and/or 
>> multiple browser windows with many tabs in each – so my need was for an 
>> extended desktop to maximise viewing area. Initially I had the Phillips 
>> attached with a direct mini display port to hdmi cable - which all worked 
>> fine but I found the discontinuity of tracking from the 2560x1440 iMac 
>> screen to the 1920x1080 monitor screen sufficiently annoying that I ended up 
>> reducing the iMac resolution to 1920x1080 to match the monitor – which I 
>> found much more useable. However it seemed a shame to have to resort to 
>> downgrading the iMac resolution – so, given that the iMac can support video 
>> output up to 2560x1600 - I decided to upgrade the monitor and bought the 32” 
>> Lenovo.
>>  
>> As per my previous post, when I initially connected the Lenovo, using the 
>> same direct mini display port to hdmi cable, I found that the maximum 
>> resolution that the iMac could see was 1920 x 1080 but I then bought a mini 
>> display port to display port cable – which unlocked the full 2560 x 1440 
>> resolution of the monitor – which now gives a seamless extended desktop of 
>> 2x 2560x1440 – which works great for me.
>>  
>> I now use the Phillips with the MacBook Air at home  - I have a USB-C hub 
>> with an HDMI port and an HDMI cable to handle the connection and I have the 
>> monitor set as the main display and the MacBook display just set to mirror 
>> the monitor – I find the 13” screen hard to view without glasses but the 27” 
>> is great.
>>  
>> So, as you see, different setups for different purposes – but, if you are 
>> looking to use an extended desktop with 2 displays/monitors, I do find 
>> having the same vertical resolution makes for a seamless pointer transition 
>> between the two screens and avoids the annoyance of the pointer ‘banging 
>> into the brick wall”.
>>  
>> I did see if the Macbook air would drive both the external monitor AND the 
>> Luna Display connected 27” iMac – but the Luna display app just told me that 
>> I had reached the display limit of my computer. The Luna Display app 
>> obviously makes the iMac just look like an external display and, since the 
>> MacBook air will only drive one external monitor, it is either/or but not 
>> both!
>>  
>> I’m not sure what size your 2021 MacBook Pro is – the 13” seems to have the 
>> same capability as my MacBook Air whilst the 14” and 16” obviously have 
>> greater resolutions AND the ability to drive multiple displays.
>>  
>> So, I hope some of that may help your considerations – and there is no need 
>> to spend $600, or more, on the monitor – I paid $227 for the 27

Re: [WAMUG] IMPORTANT : WAMUG Mailing List upcoming change

[Graham Rabe]

Thanks for all your work Daniel.

Graham


From: wamug.org.au-wamug-boun...@lists.wamug.org.au 
 on behalf of Daniel Kerr 

Date: Tuesday, 17 May 2022 at 8:54 pm
To: WAMUG 
Subject: Re: [WAMUG] IMPORTANT : WAMUG Mailing List upcoming change
Hi All

Just a follow up on this -

The committee agree that we’d rather not go to Facebook for a list, so we’re 
all happy to keep it with the current software that runs it. It also has “real 
people” at the end of an email to support it if something does go wrong.

And from my own personal experience trying to help clients with Facebook 
issues,….trying to “actually” get to a real person (or even a real email 
address) to reply for help is very very tricky. I’ve had a few times we’ve 
needed to get something resolved and it was just an absolute nightmare. (In one 
case over a 3 month period emailing various “support” email addresses never 
even got a reply. And that was at least 1 or 2 emails a week over a 3 month 
period (to different email addresses - as even trying to find some form of 
support contact for them is a nightmare). Everything wanted to be “automated” 
and done from your account - which in this clients case was compromised and so 
we couldn’t use it to get help. Created a new account to use to try contact 
them, but after all that time - no success. I avoid Facebook myself as much as 
possible!

Facebook might be ok for some things,…but we’d rather avoid it if we can.
Working through a few hiccups just to make sure we have all the correct info 
before doing the change over. So far, most of it going well. But want to get 
all the i’s dotted and t’s crossed before making the final announcement before 
the move. So as to make a smooth transition.

Will keep you posted with more info as we have it.

Thanks again.
Kind regards
Daniel

---
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MacWizardry

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> On 17 May 2022, at 4:07 pm, Graham Rabe  wrote:
>
> I agree with Robin. No to Facebook.
>
>
>
> Graham
>
>
>
> From: wamug.org.au-wamug-boun...@lists.wamug.org.au 
>  on behalf of Robin Belford 
> 
> Date: Tuesday, 17 May 2022 at 2:48 pm
> To: WAMUG 
> Subject: Re: [WAMUG] IMPORTANT : WAMUG Mailing List upcoming change
>
> Rod,
>
> From my viewpoint that is an alarming suggestion.
>
> Should happen that WAMUG moved to FaceBook it would end my ≈ 3 decade 
> membership.
>
> I’m not all supportive of your suggestion.
>
>
>
> robin
>
>
>
>
>
> On 17 May 2022, at 9:11 am, Rod Blitvich  wrote:
>
>
>
> Thanks Daniel and Committe.
>
> Any thoughts re replacing the list with a FaceBook Group?
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>   rb...@iinet.net.au
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 16 May 2022, at 6:45 pm, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi All
>
> We’ve recently been advised that unfortunately our current host is no longer 
> able to support where the WAMUG list has been sitting in Perth for many 
> years. As time’s gone by, it’s now the only list sitting on a very old server 
> and is due to be “decommissioned”.
> Because of this, we are having to look to move it. The new space it will 
> sitting in is still hosted in Australia.
>
> The good news is that there is still somewhere we can move it to that uses 
> the same type of software it’s run on. Which in theory should mean there is 
> no change to how the list will work. It will be “just like normal” for day to 
> day things.
> The bad news is, it will cost us a little extra each year to run it. However, 
> the membership cost will easily cover this. So doesn’t mean an increase in 
> costs to all. So I guess that’s “good bad” news. :)
>
> We discussed this within the committee and all are happy to look at the move.
> In theory there shouldn’t be any disruption to the list in the transition 
> period and I’ll let people know before and after it’s  been completed. 
> Hopefully, it should also mean that there are more current updates installed 
> to the backend of what runs the list - so that’s good news as well.
>
> There’s a little bit of work to get it all organised. But hopefully as 
> mentioned, it shouldn’t affect the running of the list.
> Though when it’s down, if you do post you may not see your message arrive. 
> But I’ll certainly let everyone know by a mailing post before it gets 
> transferred and after it’s completed.
>
> Hopefully this will ensure the list can continue running for many more years 
> to come!
>
> Thanks in advance for your understanding with this.
> If anyone has any queries or concerns, please f

Re: [WAMUG] IMPORTANT : WAMUG Mailing List upcoming change

[Stephen Chape]

Thank you for all the work Daniel.
And the feedback.

> On 17 May 2022, at 8:53 pm, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
> 
> Hi All
> 
> Just a follow up on this - 
> 
> The committee agree that we’d rather not go to Facebook for a list, so we’re 
> all happy to keep it with the current software that runs it. It also has 
> “real people” at the end of an email to support it if something does go wrong.
> 
> And from my own personal experience trying to help clients with Facebook 
> issues,….trying to “actually” get to a real person (or even a real email 
> address) to reply for help is very very tricky. I’ve had a few times we’ve 
> needed to get something resolved and it was just an absolute nightmare. (In 
> one case over a 3 month period emailing various “support” email addresses 
> never even got a reply. And that was at least 1 or 2 emails a week over a 3 
> month period (to different email addresses - as even trying to find some form 
> of support contact for them is a nightmare). Everything wanted to be 
> “automated” and done from your account - which in this clients case was 
> compromised and so we couldn’t use it to get help. Created a new account to 
> use to try contact them, but after all that time - no success. I avoid 
> Facebook myself as much as possible!
> 
> Facebook might be ok for some things,…but we’d rather avoid it if we can. 
> Working through a few hiccups just to make sure we have all the correct info 
> before doing the change over. So far, most of it going well. But want to get 
> all the i’s dotted and t’s crossed before making the final announcement 
> before the move. So as to make a smooth transition.
> 
> Will keep you posted with more info as we have it.
> 
> Thanks again.
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
> ---
> Daniel Kerr
> MacWizardry
> 
> p : 0414 795 960
> e : 
> w : 
> 
> 
> **For everything Apple**
> 
> NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion and 
> as such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of MacWizardry. 
> Any information provided does not offer or warrant any form of warranty or 
> accept liability. It would be appreciated that if any information in this 
> email is to be disseminated, distributed or copied, that permission by the 
> author be requested. 
> 
>> On 17 May 2022, at 4:07 pm, Graham Rabe  wrote:
>> 
>> I agree with Robin. No to Facebook.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Graham
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: wamug.org.au-wamug-boun...@lists.wamug.org.au 
>>  on behalf of Robin Belford 
>> 
>> Date: Tuesday, 17 May 2022 at 2:48 pm
>> To: WAMUG 
>> Subject: Re: [WAMUG] IMPORTANT : WAMUG Mailing List upcoming change
>> 
>> Rod,
>> 
>> From my viewpoint that is an alarming suggestion.
>> 
>> Should happen that WAMUG moved to FaceBook it would end my ≈ 3 decade 
>> membership.
>> 
>> I’m not all supportive of your suggestion.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> robin
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 17 May 2022, at 9:11 am, Rod Blitvich  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks Daniel and Committe.
>> 
>> Any thoughts re replacing the list with a FaceBook Group?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
>>  rb...@iinet.net.au 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 16 May 2022, at 6:45 pm, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi All
>> 
>> We’ve recently been advised that unfortunately our current host is no longer 
>> able to support where the WAMUG list has been sitting in Perth for many 
>> years. As time’s gone by, it’s now the only list sitting on a very old 
>> server and is due to be “decommissioned”.
>> Because of this, we are having to look to move it. The new space it will 
>> sitting in is still hosted in Australia.
>> 
>> The good news is that there is still somewhere we can move it to that uses 
>> the same type of software it’s run on. Which in theory should mean there is 
>> no change to how the list will work. It will be “just like normal” for day 
>> to day things.
>> The bad news is, it will cost us a little extra each year to run it. 
>> However, the membership cost will easily cover this. So doesn’t mean an 
>> increase in costs to all. So I guess that’s “good bad” news. :)
>> 
>> We discussed this within the committee and all are happy to look at the move.
>> In theory there shouldn’t be any disruption to the list in the transition 
>> period and I’ll let people know before and after it’s  been completed. 
>> Hopefully, it should also mean that there are more current updates installed 
>> to the backend of what runs the list - so that’s good news as well.
>> 
>> There’s a little bit of work to get it all organised. But hopefully as 
>> mentioned, it shouldn’t affect the running of the list. 
>> Though when it’s down, if you do post you may not see your message arrive. 
>> But I’ll certainly let everyone know by a mailing post before it gets 
>> transferred and after it’s completed.
>> 
>> Hopefully this will ensure the list can continue running for many more years 
>> to com

Re: [WAMUG] IMPORTANT : WAMUG Mailing List upcoming change

[Daniel Kerr]

Hi All

Just a follow up on this - 

The committee agree that we’d rather not go to Facebook for a list, so we’re 
all happy to keep it with the current software that runs it. It also has “real 
people” at the end of an email to support it if something does go wrong.

And from my own personal experience trying to help clients with Facebook 
issues,….trying to “actually” get to a real person (or even a real email 
address) to reply for help is very very tricky. I’ve had a few times we’ve 
needed to get something resolved and it was just an absolute nightmare. (In one 
case over a 3 month period emailing various “support” email addresses never 
even got a reply. And that was at least 1 or 2 emails a week over a 3 month 
period (to different email addresses - as even trying to find some form of 
support contact for them is a nightmare). Everything wanted to be “automated” 
and done from your account - which in this clients case was compromised and so 
we couldn’t use it to get help. Created a new account to use to try contact 
them, but after all that time - no success. I avoid Facebook myself as much as 
possible!

Facebook might be ok for some things,…but we’d rather avoid it if we can. 
Working through a few hiccups just to make sure we have all the correct info 
before doing the change over. So far, most of it going well. But want to get 
all the i’s dotted and t’s crossed before making the final announcement before 
the move. So as to make a smooth transition.

Will keep you posted with more info as we have it.

Thanks again.
Kind regards
Daniel

---
Daniel Kerr
MacWizardry

p : 0414 795 960
e : 
w : 


**For everything Apple**

NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion and as 
such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of MacWizardry. Any 
information provided does not offer or warrant any form of warranty or accept 
liability. It would be appreciated that if any information in this email is to 
be disseminated, distributed or copied, that permission by the author be 
requested. 

> On 17 May 2022, at 4:07 pm, Graham Rabe  wrote:
> 
> I agree with Robin. No to Facebook.
> 
>  
> 
> Graham
> 
>  
> 
> From: wamug.org.au-wamug-boun...@lists.wamug.org.au 
>  on behalf of Robin Belford 
> 
> Date: Tuesday, 17 May 2022 at 2:48 pm
> To: WAMUG 
> Subject: Re: [WAMUG] IMPORTANT : WAMUG Mailing List upcoming change
> 
> Rod,
> 
> From my viewpoint that is an alarming suggestion.
> 
> Should happen that WAMUG moved to FaceBook it would end my ≈ 3 decade 
> membership.
> 
> I’m not all supportive of your suggestion.
> 
>  
> 
> robin
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> On 17 May 2022, at 9:11 am, Rod Blitvich  wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks Daniel and Committe.
> 
> Any thoughts re replacing the list with a FaceBook Group?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
>   rb...@iinet.net.au 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 16 May 2022, at 6:45 pm, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> Hi All
> 
> We’ve recently been advised that unfortunately our current host is no longer 
> able to support where the WAMUG list has been sitting in Perth for many 
> years. As time’s gone by, it’s now the only list sitting on a very old server 
> and is due to be “decommissioned”.
> Because of this, we are having to look to move it. The new space it will 
> sitting in is still hosted in Australia.
> 
> The good news is that there is still somewhere we can move it to that uses 
> the same type of software it’s run on. Which in theory should mean there is 
> no change to how the list will work. It will be “just like normal” for day to 
> day things.
> The bad news is, it will cost us a little extra each year to run it. However, 
> the membership cost will easily cover this. So doesn’t mean an increase in 
> costs to all. So I guess that’s “good bad” news. :)
> 
> We discussed this within the committee and all are happy to look at the move.
> In theory there shouldn’t be any disruption to the list in the transition 
> period and I’ll let people know before and after it’s  been completed. 
> Hopefully, it should also mean that there are more current updates installed 
> to the backend of what runs the list - so that’s good news as well.
> 
> There’s a little bit of work to get it all organised. But hopefully as 
> mentioned, it shouldn’t affect the running of the list. 
> Though when it’s down, if you do post you may not see your message arrive. 
> But I’ll certainly let everyone know by a mailing post before it gets 
> transferred and after it’s completed.
> 
> Hopefully this will ensure the list can continue running for many more years 
> to come!
> 
> Thanks in advance for your understanding with this.
> If anyone has any queries or concerns, please feel free to post them to the 
> list and I’ll do my best to answer them.
> 
> Thanks!
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> On behalf of WAMUG Committee.
> 
> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing

Re: [WAMUG] IMPORTANT : WAMUG Mailing List upcoming change

[Graham Rabe]

I agree with Robin. No to Facebook.

Graham

From: wamug.org.au-wamug-boun...@lists.wamug.org.au 
 on behalf of Robin Belford 

Date: Tuesday, 17 May 2022 at 2:48 pm
To: WAMUG 
Subject: Re: [WAMUG] IMPORTANT : WAMUG Mailing List upcoming change
Rod,
From my viewpoint that is an alarming suggestion.
Should happen that WAMUG moved to FaceBook it would end my ≈ 3 decade 
membership.
I’m not all supportive of your suggestion.

robin



On 17 May 2022, at 9:11 am, Rod Blitvich 
mailto:rb...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:

Thanks Daniel and Committe.
Any thoughts re replacing the list with a FaceBook Group?





Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
  rb...@iinet.net.au





On 16 May 2022, at 6:45 pm, Daniel Kerr 
mailto:wa...@macwizardry.com.au>> wrote:

Hi All

We’ve recently been advised that unfortunately our current host is no longer 
able to support where the WAMUG list has been sitting in Perth for many years. 
As time’s gone by, it’s now the only list sitting on a very old server and is 
due to be “decommissioned”.
Because of this, we are having to look to move it. The new space it will 
sitting in is still hosted in Australia.

The good news is that there is still somewhere we can move it to that uses the 
same type of software it’s run on. Which in theory should mean there is no 
change to how the list will work. It will be “just like normal” for day to day 
things.
The bad news is, it will cost us a little extra each year to run it. However, 
the membership cost will easily cover this. So doesn’t mean an increase in 
costs to all. So I guess that’s “good bad” news. :)

We discussed this within the committee and all are happy to look at the move.
In theory there shouldn’t be any disruption to the list in the transition 
period and I’ll let people know before and after it’s  been completed. 
Hopefully, it should also mean that there are more current updates installed to 
the backend of what runs the list - so that’s good news as well.

There’s a little bit of work to get it all organised. But hopefully as 
mentioned, it shouldn’t affect the running of the list.
Though when it’s down, if you do post you may not see your message arrive. But 
I’ll certainly let everyone know by a mailing post before it gets transferred 
and after it’s completed.

Hopefully this will ensure the list can continue running for many more years to 
come!

Thanks in advance for your understanding with this.
If anyone has any queries or concerns, please feel free to post them to the 
list and I’ll do my best to answer them.

Thanks!
Kind regards
Daniel
On behalf of WAMUG Committee.

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[WAMUG] Has the WAMUG website been hacked?

[Robin Belford]

Hi,
Whilst we are discussing the WAMUG web hosting I am wondering about two things
why there is an advertisement promoting Viagra on the this page? It is written 
in Czech. http://www.wamug.org.au/whats-happening/ 

Will the whole site will be upgraded from HTTP to HTTPS
Cheers,

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