Re: 7200 RAM QUESTION

2005-01-19 Thread Robert Howells


On 19/01/2005, at 8:48 AM, Peter Hinchliffe wrote:



On 18/01/2005, at 12:55 PM, bill parker wrote:


Can anyone help with this question?


I have been doing a throw out of old computers and salvaged bits from  
some old 7200 machines.


Thus I have the RAM from a 7200/90.   Will this be compatible with  
the 7220/200?  Both machines built in 1995.


I am obliged to use the latter machine because of its connection to a  
piece of equipment in a lab. Bill





The 7200 and 7220 used different sorts or RAM. In fact, the wonderful  
(!) 7220 was unique in the RAM it required: no other Mac used the same  
sort. The 7200 used 168 pin 5V FP DIMMs, while the 7220 used 168 pin  
3.3V EDO DIMMs. It is NOT possible to use your 7200 RAM in a 7220. It  
doesn't do any damage - it just doesn't work. I know, after having  
been supplied with the incorrect RAM on several occasions when trying  
to upgrade clients' old 7220s well into the iMac age. Apple Australia  
(who are now out of the upgrade business , BTW) have been the only  
source of 7220-compatible RAM for some time. Now, not even they supply  
it.


--
Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services


If you absolutely have to have RAM for the 7220 you will find that  
Other World Computing
has the Ram listed in their eshop outlet .  Note that they say the same  
RAM is used in 4400 Macs


Go to this address ... make sure you get all the link

http://eshop.macsales.com/MyOWC/Upgrades.cfm? 
model=29type=MemoryTI=%23TimeFormat%28Now%28%29%2C+shoupgrds=Show+Upg 
rades


Bob



7200 RAM QUESTION

2005-01-18 Thread bill parker

Can anyone help with this question?


I have been doing a throw out of old computers and salvaged bits from 
some old 7200 machines.


Thus I have the RAM from a 7200/90.   Will this be compatible with 
the 7220/200?  Both machines built in 1995.


I am obliged to use the latter machine because of its connection to a 
piece of equipment in a lab. Bill




Re: 7200 RAM QUESTION

2005-01-18 Thread Mark Secker



Can anyone help with this question?


I have been doing a throw out of old computers and salvaged bits 
from some old 7200 machines.


Thus I have the RAM from a 7200/90.   Will this be compatible with 
the 7220/200?  Both machines built in 1995.


I am obliged to use the latter machine because of its connection to 
a piece of equipment in a lab. Bill




7200 built from  1995 to  late 96
7220 was introduced  early 97 ( if there was a 200Mhz Mac built in 95 
I would have hocked my family in to slavery to buy one - as it was I 
had to wait till 97 to do that when the 7300/200 released at the same 
time as the 7220)


that said and all pedantry aside

If I recall they use the same RAM form  172 pin 3.3 volt DIMMS but 
that the 7220 needed faster memory - going by the tech site 60ns v's 
70 ns. If the chips in the 7200 are original apple stock they 
probably will be the older slower speed  of 70 ns otherwise try it 
and see if it is stable


Note that I think 7220 could only go to about 160Mb RAM  even with 
larger memory  and I think this is not an Aplle figure based on 
available chips at the time but an actual  hardware limitation 
(though my recollection is vague as I have only ever came across one 
or two 7220)


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Re: 7200 RAM QUESTION - NO!!!

2005-01-18 Thread Martin Hill
 From: bill parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have been doing a throw out of old
 computers and salvaged bits from some old 7200 machines.
 
 Thus I have the RAM from a 7200/90.   Will this be compatible with the
 7220/200?  Both machines built in 1995.

Be careful!  I've fried some DIMMs in the past getting caught with this
scenario.

The RAM the 7200//90 uses are 5v 168 pin FPM DIMMS (70ns) while the 7220/200
uses 168 pin 3.3 Volt EDO DIMMs (60ns).  So basically they are pin
compatible but not voltage compatible - Very bad design if you ask me.

Make sure you DON'T put the EDO RAM from the 7220 in the 7200 as this could
fry the motherboard.

I don't know whether putting the FPM DIMMS from the 7200 into the 7220 would
damage the logic board or the DIMM, but mixing 5v and 3v DIMMs doesn't sound
like a good idea to me!

Keith or someone should be able to give more details and make sure my info
is correct.

Ciao!

-Mart