Re: Exporting/Converting Pages Doc to CMYK
From: Rod Blitvich [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi John Still stuck with Outlook because I need access to the common address book. Cheers Rod My IT Dept told me I could only use Outlook for our email system. Since then however, I have managed to get Mail to play nicely with the Exchange Server. Had it working with 10.3, and now in 10.4 It may be worth a try. Worried that as I need to run Outlook for Mac in classic at work (yuk!) that maybe I should stay with 10.3 for a while. I'm also surprised you still need to run the old Outlook 2001 under Classic. We run Entourage 11.1.0 (part of Microsoft Office 10.4) at Curtin which supports Exchange's Global Address book (via LDAP) for address look-up within the To: field as well as shared calendars etc. It doesn't have all the capabilities of Outlook 2003 on the PC, but it's a pretty good replacement for the old Outlook 2001 on the Mac. -Mart
Re: Exporting/Converting Pages Doc to CMYK
Thanks Martin and John I will look into this. ta Rod on 7/8/05 11:48 PM, Martin Hill at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rod Blitvich [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi John Still stuck with Outlook because I need access to the common address book. Cheers Rod My IT Dept told me I could only use Outlook for our email system. Since then however, I have managed to get Mail to play nicely with the Exchange Server. Had it working with 10.3, and now in 10.4 It may be worth a try. Worried that as I need to run Outlook for Mac in classic at work (yuk!) that maybe I should stay with 10.3 for a while. I'm also surprised you still need to run the old Outlook 2001 under Classic. We run Entourage 11.1.0 (part of Microsoft Office 10.4) at Curtin which supports Exchange's Global Address book (via LDAP) for address look-up within the To: field as well as shared calendars etc. It doesn't have all the capabilities of Outlook 2003 on the PC, but it's a pretty good replacement for the old Outlook 2001 on the Mac. -Mart -- Rod BLITVICH Head of Learning Technologies Balcatta Senior High School Apple Educator of Excellence 2002 - 2003 Amy and Sam's Dad [EMAIL PROTECTED]0409 681 256 http://www.apple.com.au/education/hed/products/ibook/balcatta.html I just got lost in thought. It was unfamiliar territory.
Re: Exporting/Converting Pages Doc to CMYK
Many thanks to Rob and Ronni I am still on 10.3.9. Worried that as I need to run Outlook for Mac in classic at work (yuk!) that maybe I should stay with 10.3 for a while. So I couldn't try Ronni's option. Have looked at Rob's suggestions. Haven't used ColourSync before but seems like I should pursue this, although I got a bit confused when I first tried it. Have ordered Adobe Creative suite (thanks to a successful funding application and a great Education price). So Distiller is still an option also. Many thanks to you clever people! Rod on 6/8/05 12:50 PM, Rob Davies at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 06/08/2005, at 12:29 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Rob people following the advice given to Rod Blitvich Re his School Newsletter, On 06/08/2005, at 1:52 AM, Rob Davies wrote: On 05/08/2005, at 3:04 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: On 05/08/2005, at 6:55 AM, Rod Blitvich wrote: Hi Not being highly creative or intelligent, I used Apple's Pages software to create the School Newlstter (with the aid of one of the great templates). I exported it to PDF and took it to the printer who said the fonts and resolution etc were all fine but he had to convert it from RGB to CMYK. He showed me how some of the colours, particularly the blues, were out. He said before I bring him the next Newsletter, I need to convert it to CMYK. I have searched Pages and cannot find any option/ preference/export feature that enables me to do this. Any advice would be gratefully accepted please. ta Rod Hi again people, I've been 'messing around' with a 15 page Newsletter I did in Pages quite some time back. I think I originally just printed the Newsletter and the result was great. I'm using Tiger OSX10.4.2. In Pages instead of Export, Choose File Print, then click on PDF button, choose 'Save As PDF-X'. Would this PDF-X file be what a Printer would require? Yes? In most circumstances and especially if just a black text - grayscale Newsletter. If CMYK I have been informed in most situations the below should work and the final conversion is just a guarantee of a CMYK PDF. Ok, my 15 page 'Newsletter' in Pages I have been using to Test has Text Images. Some pages mostly images. 1. The normal File Print PDF looked perfect on Computer printed perfectly using Epson Printer (RGB). 2. The File Print click on PDF button 'Save As PDF-X' ... Text looks fine, but some sections of images are 'mottled' (similar to a 'interlaced' Muxed video clip) on the Computer. Printer processes PDF-X creating a postscript file, this relevant file becomes separations as I spoke of before hence the need for CMYK information also Epson is not interpreting Postscript hence mottled, I think. To get a proof of image print it to screen through preview. As Apple OS X renders to screen at 72dpi? 3. Doing as Rob suggested - using the normal PDF create a PDFX-3 document, from the quartz filters drop down box. This looks exactly the same as No. 2. 'Save as PDF-X'. Presumably (without getting a Professional Printer to check), the PDF-X produced straight from Pages Print 'Save as PDF-X' is the same result as creating PDFX-3 using ColorSync Utility app. No surprise here of course as ColorSync is doing the job from the Pages app. Apple might have got this right. Exactly only difference with the extra step is guaranteeing CMYK, although as last post I have noticed profile sets dpi at 72 this could be or not be significant check with printer. To prove our point we need our original poster 'Rod Blitvich' to try his next School Newsletter in the 'Save As PDF-X' file and check with his Printer. I would be very interested to know also.. Thanks Ronni, Cheers! `Rob... -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro -- Rod BLITVICH Head of Learning Technologies Balcatta Senior High School Apple Educator of Excellence 2002 - 2003 Amy and Sam's Dad [EMAIL PROTECTED]0409 681 256 http://www.apple.com.au/education/hed/products/ibook/balcatta.html I used to have a handle on life, but it broke.
Re: Exporting/Converting Pages Doc to CMYK
Rod, My IT Dept told me I could only use Outlook for our email system. Since then however, I have managed to get Mail to play nicely with the Exchange Server. Had it working with 10.3, and now in 10.4 It may be worth a try. Regards, John SNIP Worried that as I need to run Outlook for Mac in classic at work (yuk!) that maybe I should stay with 10.3 for a while. SNIP
Re: Exporting/Converting Pages Doc to CMYK
Hi John Still stuck with Outlook because I need access to the common address book. Cheers Rod on 7/8/05 9:57 AM, John Winters at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rod, My IT Dept told me I could only use Outlook for our email system. Since then however, I have managed to get Mail to play nicely with the Exchange Server. Had it working with 10.3, and now in 10.4 It may be worth a try. Regards, John SNIP Worried that as I need to run Outlook for Mac in classic at work (yuk!) that maybe I should stay with 10.3 for a while. SNIP -- Rod BLITVICH Head of Learning Technologies Balcatta Senior High School Apple Educator of Excellence 2002 - 2003 Amy and Sam's Dad [EMAIL PROTECTED]0409 681 256 http://www.apple.com.au/education/hed/products/ibook/balcatta.html A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking.
Re: Exporting/Converting Pages Doc to CMYK
Rod, Had the same issue initially, but solved now. Have a look in preferences - Composing - configure LDAP If you can get your IT people to give you the address, enter it. If not, try ldap.yourdomain and the name or address of your mailserver. HTH John On 07/08/2005, at 10:15 AM, Rod Blitvich wrote: Hi John Still stuck with Outlook because I need access to the common address book. Cheers Rod on 7/8/05 9:57 AM, John Winters at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rod, My IT Dept told me I could only use Outlook for our email system. Since then however, I have managed to get Mail to play nicely with the Exchange Server. Had it working with 10.3, and now in 10.4 It may be worth a try. Regards, John SNIP Worried that as I need to run Outlook for Mac in classic at work (yuk!) that maybe I should stay with 10.3 for a while. SNIP -- Rod BLITVICH Head of Learning Technologies Balcatta Senior High School Apple Educator of Excellence 2002 - 2003 Amy and Sam's Dad [EMAIL PROTECTED]0409 681 256 http://www.apple.com.au/education/hed/products/ibook/balcatta.html A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking.
Re: Exporting/Converting Pages Doc to CMYK
Hi Rhonda, On 05/08/2005, at 3:04 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: On 05/08/2005, at 6:55 AM, Rod Blitvich wrote: Hi Not being highly creative or intelligent, I used Apple's Pages software to create the School Newlstter (with the aid of one of the great templates). I exported it to PDF and took it to the printer who said the fonts and resolution etc were all fine but he had to convert it from RGB to CMYK. He showed me how some of the colours, particularly the blues, were out. He said before I bring him the next Newsletter, I need to convert it to CMYK. I have searched Pages and cannot find any option/preference/ export feature that enables me to do this. Any advice would be gratefully accepted please. ta Rod Hi again people, I've been 'messing around' with a 15 page Newsletter I did in Pages quite some time back. I think I originally just printed the Newsletter and the result was great. I'm using Tiger OSX10.4.2. In Pages instead of Export, Choose File Print, then click on PDF button, choose 'Save As PDF-X'. Would this PDF-X file be what a Printer would require? Yes? In most circumstances and especially if just a black text - grayscale Newsletter. If CMYK I have been informed in most situations the below should work and the final conversion is just a guarantee of a CMYK PDF. Assuming all graphics are converted to CMYK or defined spot colours, and resolution of graphics is adequate. I would save as PDF then through ColorSync - Create a PDFX-3 Document, from the quartz filters drop down box and your printer should be able to process without problems? But as always, check with the final outputting source. The Printer, before starting job, and check printed output before signing off on job. PDFX1a or 3 (PDF/X1-a or PDF/X3) are report compliance fail the job if not compliant standards. PDF/X is an ISO standard for graphic content exchange. Hence, ColorSync PDFX-3 Document filter is a Generic CMYK profile and verifier. Of course Distiller and InDesign could be a better option as would Illustrator or Freehand, but one must make do with what tools are available. If it works for you thanks Apple for such a wonderful diverse-tool in ColorSync. Cheers! `Rob...
Re: Exporting/Converting Pages Doc to CMYK
Rod I know it is great to use the applications that come with a new system but for my druthers I'd download the free for not for profit desktop publishing application Ragtime Solo www.ragtime-online. com and use that. Change your photographs as advised by others in Photoshop from RGB to CMYK, set the picture frame in Ragtime to CMYK and import your pictures. If Rhonda's print suggestion converts the document to the required PDF then fine. I am still with 10.2 and have no Adobe Distiller but can export the file as a postscript. The printer converts to the required PDF and prints. Output fine. Merv At 6:55 AM +0800 5/8/05, Rod Blitvich wrote: Hi Not being highly creative or intelligent, I used Apple's Pages software to create the School Newlstter (with the aid of one of the great templates). I exported it to PDF and took it to the printer who said the fonts and resolution etc were all fine but he had to convert it from RGB to CMYK. He showed me how some of the colours, particularly the blues, were out. He said before I bring him the next Newsletter, I need to convert it to CMYK. I have searched Pages and cannot find any option/preference/export feature that enables me to do this. Any advice would be gratefully accepted please. ta Rod -- Rod BLITVICH Head of Learning Technologies Balcatta Senior High School Apple Educator of Excellence 2002 - 2003 Amy and Sam's Dad [EMAIL PROTECTED]0409 681 256 http://www.apple.com.au/education/hed/products/ibook/balcatta.html --- At work I always try to go the extra mile... but my boss always finds me and brings me back. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro -- Science teaches that we must see in order to believe, but we must also believe in order to see.
Re: Exporting/Converting Pages Doc to CMYK
Hi Rob people following the advice given to Rod Blitvich Re his School Newsletter, On 06/08/2005, at 1:52 AM, Rob Davies wrote: On 05/08/2005, at 3:04 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: On 05/08/2005, at 6:55 AM, Rod Blitvich wrote: Hi Not being highly creative or intelligent, I used Apple's Pages software to create the School Newlstter (with the aid of one of the great templates). I exported it to PDF and took it to the printer who said the fonts and resolution etc were all fine but he had to convert it from RGB to CMYK. He showed me how some of the colours, particularly the blues, were out. He said before I bring him the next Newsletter, I need to convert it to CMYK. I have searched Pages and cannot find any option/preference/ export feature that enables me to do this. Any advice would be gratefully accepted please. ta Rod Hi again people, I've been 'messing around' with a 15 page Newsletter I did in Pages quite some time back. I think I originally just printed the Newsletter and the result was great. I'm using Tiger OSX10.4.2. In Pages instead of Export, Choose File Print, then click on PDF button, choose 'Save As PDF-X'. Would this PDF-X file be what a Printer would require? Yes? In most circumstances and especially if just a black text - grayscale Newsletter. If CMYK I have been informed in most situations the below should work and the final conversion is just a guarantee of a CMYK PDF. Ok, my 15 page 'Newsletter' in Pages I have been using to Test has Text Images. Some pages mostly images. 1. The normal File Print PDF looked perfect on Computer printed perfectly using Epson Printer (RGB). 2. The File Print click on PDF button 'Save As PDF-X' ... Text looks fine, but some sections of images are 'mottled' (similar to a 'interlaced' Muxed video clip) on the Computer. 3. Doing as Rob suggested - using the normal PDF create a PDFX-3 document, from the quartz filters drop down box. This looks exactly the same as No. 2. 'Save as PDF-X'. Presumably (without getting a Professional Printer to check), the PDF- X produced straight from Pages Print 'Save as PDF-X' is the same result as creating PDFX-3 using ColorSync Utility app. No surprise here of course as ColorSync is doing the job from the Pages app. Apple might have got this right. To prove our point we need our original poster 'Rod Blitvich' to try his next School Newsletter in the 'Save As PDF-X' file and check with his Printer. Cheers, Ronni
Re: Exporting/Converting Pages Doc to CMYK
Morning Merv, Thanks for the information interesting looking application. On 05/08/2005, at 4:28 PM, Mervyn Giuliana Bond wrote: Rod I know it is great to use the applications that come with a new system but for my druthers I'd download the free for not for profit desktop publishing application Ragtime Solo www.ragtime-online. com and use that. Change your photographs as advised by others in Photoshop from RGB to CMYK, set the picture frame in Ragtime to CMYK and import your pictures. If Rhonda's print suggestion converts the document to the required PDF then fine. I am still with 10.2 and have no Adobe Distiller but can export the file as a postscript. The printer converts to the required PDF and prints. Output fine. That is the other option and a preferred one in some situations, to output from Print dialog box PDF save PDF as Postscript. But, it does not guarantee an Apple Pages document is CMYK as with Create PDFX-3 Document from Quartz filter drop down box does, apparently. As before check with the Source of your output. Not sure if important, but check dpi of PDF/X-3 output might be and might not be significant, although it can be changed within ColorSync? Look at editing filters, in help. Distiller creates output for printer, ColorSync Utility is the colour profile guareenting what you see on screen should replicate on paper. Does the job just fine in this situation and has some other useful tools also. Ragtime-solo does a lot of the same as distiller in Export, I think it might be creating information for distiller which is why your printer has no problem with them, his end does processing. Great alternative program. Thanks Merv Cheers! `Rob...
Re: Exporting/Converting Pages Doc to CMYK
On 05/08/2005, at 7:12 AM, Ronda Brown wrote: On 05/08/2005, at 6:55 AM, Rod Blitvich wrote: Hi Not being highly creative or intelligent, I used Apple's Pages software to create the School Newlstter (with the aid of one of the great templates). I exported it to PDF and took it to the printer who said the fonts and resolution etc were all fine but he had to convert it from RGB to CMYK. He showed me how some of the colours, particularly the blues, were out. He said before I bring him the next Newsletter, I need to convert it to CMYK. I have searched Pages and cannot find any option/preference/ export feature that enables me to do this. Any advice would be gratefully accepted please. ta Rod Hi Rod, I'm not sure about this, but I don't think Pages can output in CMYK and I don't think Preview can convert RGB to CMYK. Photoshop I think can. Problem here is that Photoshop will usually modify layout and fonts/ type?? InDesign is the Tool of choice here or Freehand is my preferred option pending on output. The other option is to convert your images, logo's etc to CMYK and adjust for loss, in Photoshop or similar type of program (GraphicConverterX, Painter, Illustrator, Freehand). Problem you will have here is does Page allow you to re-import as CMYK? Then to Export? You could do it with ColorSync Utility in OS X. Yes output as PDFX-3, Accomplished by opening PDF in ColorSync the FileExport in Quartz Filter select Create PDFX-3 Document. The PDF is now CMYK profile and colours will be different.. This I am not sure will create what the printer is actually after, usually requiring actual separated files i.e.. a specific colour for each file of complete document. These usually are in postscript PS or EPS is usually file of choice as is DCS these are combined inside a PDF which compresses collection of files, so as easier to transport and Distil through Acrobat or other interpreter without loss??? But, this option could work if Page allows you to re-import your converted CMYK images, document save as PDF then continue as PDFX-3 or via print PDF in page??? Printer does the separation?? Send your printer the converted file and see if they can work with it. See a proof before committing to having it printed though. If not specifically ask him what he requires. HTH Cheers! `Rob...
Re: Exporting/Converting Pages Doc to CMYK
On Fri, 2005-08-05 at 07:12 +0800, Ronda Brown wrote: I'm not sure about this, but I don't think Pages can output in CMYK Ouch. That'd make it almost useless for commercial printing. Surely there must be /some/ way to do it... and I don't think Preview can convert RGB to CMYK. Photoshop I think can. Be aware that Photoshop will rasterise your job. This will result in a **MUCH** larger file, and will lose certain information. In particular, the printer's RIP may be unable to optimise text and line art for clean and sharp edges. Depending on your job this may or may not be an issue. -- Craig Ringer
Re: Exporting/Converting Pages Doc to CMYK
On Fri, 2005-08-05 at 09:14 +0800, Rob Davies wrote: Hi Rod, I'm not sure about this, but I don't think Pages can output in CMYK and I don't think Preview can convert RGB to CMYK. Photoshop I think can. Problem here is that Photoshop will usually modify layout and fonts/ type?? Nope. If the PDF was created correctly - with all fonts embedded - Photoshop produces a fantastically accurate and rather high quality rendering. As noted in my other post, however, it /is/ a raster rendering, with the associated potential problems. The other option is to convert your images, logo's etc to CMYK and adjust for loss, in Photoshop or similar type of program (GraphicConverterX, Painter, Illustrator, Freehand). That presumes that Pages will preserve the CMYK images untouched. It's not impossible that it uses Mac OS image loading functions to load them in its preferred colourspace, then exports those converted versions. I'd be surprised, but I wouldn't make any assumptions until I'd checked the resulting PDF with a tool like PitStop. Problem you will have here is does Page allow you to re-import as CMYK? Then to Export? It darn well should. You might need to try different image formats though - for example, it's possible it'll handle CMYK TIFF but not CMYK JPEG. The only way to be sure is to test, and then preflight the resulting PDF. Yes output as PDFX-3, Be aware that PDF/X-3 permits RGB. Additionally, most printers' tools don't understand ICC profiles, often discarding them entirely. This is bad if you're relying on them to achieve the desired colour accuracy. If they want a CMYK PDF, your best option is to give them a basic CMYK PDF. If you can force ColourSync to apply your profiles then output a plan CMYK PDF document, that'd be the ideal option. This I am not sure will create what the printer is actually after, usually requiring actual separated files I'd be stunned to have any printer ask me for explicit separations these days. That largely went out when CTP arrived (thankfully) though it's sometimes still necessary for hexachrome and other advanced printing. Even CMYK+spot can be handled easily in a single integrated PDF. If they want explicit PDF separations, you need a printer that's noticed we're not in the early 90s anymore. Their preflight, imposition, or RIP tools should do this for them to their specifications with no fuss at all. If not specifically ask him what he requires. ... and send them a file to test BEFORE DEADLINE and ask them to preflight it and tell you if it's OK. If they say huh, pre-what? then find a new printer. -- Craig Ringer
Re: Exporting/Converting Pages Doc to CMYK
On 05/08/2005, at 6:55 AM, Rod Blitvich wrote: Hi Not being highly creative or intelligent, I used Apple's Pages software to create the School Newlstter (with the aid of one of the great templates). I exported it to PDF and took it to the printer who said the fonts and resolution etc were all fine but he had to convert it from RGB to CMYK. He showed me how some of the colours, particularly the blues, were out. He said before I bring him the next Newsletter, I need to convert it to CMYK. I have searched Pages and cannot find any option/preference/ export feature that enables me to do this. Any advice would be gratefully accepted please. ta Rod Hi again people, I've been 'messing around' with a 15 page Newsletter I did in Pages quite some time back. I think I originally just printed the Newsletter and the result was great. I'm using Tiger OSX10.4.2. In Pages instead of Export, Choose File Print, then click on PDF button, choose 'Save As PDF-X'. Would this PDF-X file be what a Printer would require? Cheers, Ronni When Microsoft asks you, Where do you want to go today? Tell them, Apple!
