Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Ronni Brown]

Thanks Graham,

Yes, good to make an appointment with Daniel to fix this for you. Daniel asked 
you to do the same as I had asked you in my first reply to you below.

Begin Quote/
"So what I would suggest you try:
1. Go to your iCloud Drive and move the files back from the Documents and 
Desktop folders in the iCloud drive to the Documents and Desktop folders in 
your User home folder. 

 This is expressed in the dialog that shows up, but the wording is not very 
clear.

Check all your documents and desktop files are in your Finder Home Folders on 
your Mac.”
End Quote/

Cheers,
Ronni

> On 2 Oct. 2016, at 3:50 pm, Graham Rabe  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronni,
> 
> The answers to your 3 questions are:
> A) - Yes - they were uploaded automatically without me doing anything after 
> upgrading to Sierra. When I looked for the 2 folders (Documents and Desktop) 
> in the usual way (under Favorites in the Sidebar) for the first time after 
> upgrading, they were not there - they were now under iCloud in the Sidebar. 
> The 3 folders under iCloud are now fir the first time ever iCloud Drive, 
> Desktop and Documents. Prior to the upgrade, Documents and Desktop were in 
> the Sidebar under Favourites. I repeat, it was when I tried to find a 
> document for the first time after upgrading that I saw those folders were no 
> longer under Favorites. It was also then that I noticed the little circle in 
> iCloud downloading stuff. 
> B) - No - I never went near System Preferences > iCloud to tick that box. The 
> box is however ticked but I certainly never ticked it nor was I ever asked 
> after upgrading to do anything of that sort. 
> C) You are correct - I do not want to use iCloud Drive.
> 
> The only reason I’m using iCloud Drive is because that’s where my documents 
> were installed against my will without me doing anything other than upgrading 
> to Sierra. 
> 
> All my documents have been uploaded to iCloud Drive. That happened over a day 
> or so - again without me initiating that process. I was reluctant to try and 
> stop that process in case by doing so I lost some or all of my data.
> 
> I want to get back to the situation where all my documents are in a folder 
> called Documents under Favorites in the Sidebar and I have now engaged Daniel 
> to do that. You will see from my response to his posting on this thread that 
> I was unable to do either of the things he suggested I do. 
> 
> I appreciated you trying to help Ronni.
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Graham 
> 
> 
>> On 2 Oct. 2016, at 3:24 pm, Ronni Brown > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Graham,
>> 
>> I thought you did NOT want to use 'iCloud Drive' - that you were asking help 
>> to get your Documents & Desktop files/folders back to the original setup - 
>> to having all your documents & desktop files saved in your Home Finder 
>> folders on your Mac - NOT stored in 'iCloud Drive' in the cloud!
>> 
>> But I now read from your reply below that you have been, and are using 
>> 'iCloud Drive'?
>> Using 'iCloud Drive' & Documents and Desktop syncing, your Documents and 
>> Desktop folders were moved to 'iCloud Drive’! 
>> They are stored/kept in 'iCloud Drive'.
>> 
>> Read this to understand how iCloud - 'iCloud Drive' works:
>> iCloud Drive - Documents & Desktop syncing in macOS Sierra 10.12
>> > >
>> 
>> I asked three question below which you did not answer, so we don’t even know 
>> if all your documents have been uploaded to iCloud - 'iCloud Drive’.
>> 
>> I don’t think I can really help you anymore as I don’t understand what you 
>> have done or are actually wanting to achieve?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
>> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
>> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
>> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
>> 
>> macOS Sierra 10.12
>> 
>>> On 1 Oct. 2016, at 6:49 am, Graham Rabe >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Ronni,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for getting back to me. 
>>> 
>>> I no longer have folders under Favorites in Finder called “Desktop" and 
>>> “Documents” and have been unable to find anything on web about how to put 2 
>>> new folders there. Can you help?
>>> 
>>> Another thing - when I open a Word file I’m working on in iCloud Drive, it 
>>> opens up fine but when I right click on the file name at the top of the 
>>> screen, it shows its location still as if no change to iCloud has occurred 
>>> i.e. under my  previous User “Documents” folder in Favorites. There is no 
>>> reference to iCloud Drive (where I have to go to open it in Finder).
>>> 
>>> Weird.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Graham   
 On 30 Sep. 2016, at 1:57 pm, Ronni Brown > wrote:
 
 Hi Graham,
 
 The documents that were originally on your startup drive are still there 
 after turning on syncing. 
 

Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Graham Rabe]

Hi Ronni,

The answers to your 3 questions are:
A) - Yes - they were uploaded automatically without me doing anything after 
upgrading to Sierra. When I looked for the 2 folders (Documents and Desktop) in 
the usual way (under Favorites in the Sidebar) for the first time after 
upgrading, they were not there - they were now under iCloud in the Sidebar. The 
3 folders under iCloud are now fir the first time ever iCloud Drive, Desktop 
and Documents. Prior to the upgrade, Documents and Desktop were in the Sidebar 
under Favourites. I repeat, it was when I tried to find a document for the 
first time after upgrading that I saw those folders were no longer under 
Favorites. It was also then that I noticed the little circle in iCloud 
downloading stuff. 
B) - No - I never went near System Preferences > iCloud to tick that box. The 
box is however ticked but I certainly never ticked it nor was I ever asked 
after upgrading to do anything of that sort. 
C) You are correct - I do not want to use iCloud Drive.

The only reason I’m using iCloud Drive is because that’s where my documents 
were installed against my will without me doing anything other than upgrading 
to Sierra. 

All my documents have been uploaded to iCloud Drive. That happened over a day 
or so - again without me initiating that process. I was reluctant to try and 
stop that process in case by doing so I lost some or all of my data.

I want to get back to the situation where all my documents are in a folder 
called Documents under Favorites in the Sidebar and I have now engaged Daniel 
to do that. You will see from my response to his posting on this thread that I 
was unable to do either of the things he suggested I do. 

I appreciated you trying to help Ronni.

Thanks again.

Cheers,

Graham 


> On 2 Oct. 2016, at 3:24 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Graham,
> 
> I thought you did NOT want to use 'iCloud Drive' - that you were asking help 
> to get your Documents & Desktop files/folders back to the original setup - to 
> having all your documents & desktop files saved in your Home Finder folders 
> on your Mac - NOT stored in 'iCloud Drive' in the cloud!
> 
> But I now read from your reply below that you have been, and are using 
> 'iCloud Drive'?
> Using 'iCloud Drive' & Documents and Desktop syncing, your Documents and 
> Desktop folders were moved to 'iCloud Drive’! 
> They are stored/kept in 'iCloud Drive'.
> 
> Read this to understand how iCloud - 'iCloud Drive' works:
> iCloud Drive - Documents & Desktop syncing in macOS Sierra 10.12
>  >
> 
> I asked three question below which you did not answer, so we don’t even know 
> if all your documents have been uploaded to iCloud - 'iCloud Drive’.
> 
> I don’t think I can really help you anymore as I don’t understand what you 
> have done or are actually wanting to achieve?
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
> 
> macOS Sierra 10.12
> 
>> On 1 Oct. 2016, at 6:49 am, Graham Rabe > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ronni,
>> 
>> Thanks for getting back to me. 
>> 
>> I no longer have folders under Favorites in Finder called “Desktop" and 
>> “Documents” and have been unable to find anything on web about how to put 2 
>> new folders there. Can you help?
>> 
>> Another thing - when I open a Word file I’m working on in iCloud Drive, it 
>> opens up fine but when I right click on the file name at the top of the 
>> screen, it shows its location still as if no change to iCloud has occurred 
>> i.e. under my  previous User “Documents” folder in Favorites. There is no 
>> reference to iCloud Drive (where I have to go to open it in Finder).
>> 
>> Weird.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Graham   
>>> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 1:57 pm, Ronni Brown >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Graham,
>>> 
>>> The documents that were originally on your startup drive are still there 
>>> after turning on syncing. 
>>> They have just been made invisible.
>>> 
>>> A) Are you sure all your documents & desktop files have been uploaded to 
>>> iCloud Drive?
>>> B) Did you turn on “Optimize Mac Storage” under iCloud Drive settings? If 
>>> so Turn it OFF.
>>> C) And you are NOT wanting to use iCloud Drive, and you want your Documents 
>>> and Desktop files back on your Mac?
>>> 
>>> NOTE: I’m assuming you have a bootable backup containing your Documents & 
>>> Desktop folders ‘Prior’ to installing macOS Sierra and turning iCloud Drive 
>>> ON and enabling iCloud sync for ‘Documents and Desktop’. 
>>> 
>>> If all above is the case and you definitely have all your Documents and 
>>> Desktop and data backed up.
>>> In case you need to manually copy the data back over from your backup if 
>>> you lose it.
>>> ——
>>> When iCloud sync for ‘Documents 

Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Graham,

I thought you did NOT want to use 'iCloud Drive' - that you were asking help to 
get your Documents & Desktop files/folders back to the original setup - to 
having all your documents & desktop files saved in your Home Finder folders on 
your Mac - NOT stored in 'iCloud Drive' in the cloud!

But I now read from your reply below that you have been, and are using 'iCloud 
Drive'?
Using 'iCloud Drive' & Documents and Desktop syncing, your Documents and 
Desktop folders were moved to 'iCloud Drive’! 
They are stored/kept in 'iCloud Drive'.

Read this to understand how iCloud - 'iCloud Drive' works:
iCloud Drive - Documents & Desktop syncing in macOS Sierra 10.12
>

I asked three question below which you did not answer, so we don’t even know if 
all your documents have been uploaded to iCloud - 'iCloud Drive’.

I don’t think I can really help you anymore as I don’t understand what you have 
done or are actually wanting to achieve?

Cheers,
Ronni

13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage

macOS Sierra 10.12

> On 1 Oct. 2016, at 6:49 am, Graham Rabe  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronni,
> 
> Thanks for getting back to me. 
> 
> I no longer have folders under Favorites in Finder called “Desktop" and 
> “Documents” and have been unable to find anything on web about how to put 2 
> new folders there. Can you help?
> 
> Another thing - when I open a Word file I’m working on in iCloud Drive, it 
> opens up fine but when I right click on the file name at the top of the 
> screen, it shows its location still as if no change to iCloud has occurred 
> i.e. under my  previous User “Documents” folder in Favorites. There is no 
> reference to iCloud Drive (where I have to go to open it in Finder).
> 
> Weird.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Graham   
>> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 1:57 pm, Ronni Brown > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Graham,
>> 
>> The documents that were originally on your startup drive are still there 
>> after turning on syncing. 
>> They have just been made invisible.
>> 
>> A) Are you sure all your documents & desktop files have been uploaded to 
>> iCloud Drive?
>> B) Did you turn on “Optimize Mac Storage” under iCloud Drive settings? If so 
>> Turn it OFF.
>> C) And you are NOT wanting to use iCloud Drive, and you want your Documents 
>> and Desktop files back on your Mac?
>> 
>> NOTE: I’m assuming you have a bootable backup containing your Documents & 
>> Desktop folders ‘Prior’ to installing macOS Sierra and turning iCloud Drive 
>> ON and enabling iCloud sync for ‘Documents and Desktop’. 
>> 
>> If all above is the case and you definitely have all your Documents and 
>> Desktop and data backed up.
>> In case you need to manually copy the data back over from your backup if you 
>> lose it.
>> ——
>> When iCloud sync for ‘Documents and Desktop’ is enabled, macOS simply moves 
>> the folders to the iCloud Drive folder.
>> When you uncheck the Documents and Desktop settings, it breaks that link and 
>> creates new folders, but leaves your folders and files on iCloud Drive. - 
>> The new folders are empty.
>> 
>> So what I would suggest you try:
>> 1. Go to your iCloud Drive and move the files back from the Documents and 
>> Desktop folders in the iCloud drive to the Documents and Desktop folders in 
>> your User home folder. 
>> 
>>  This is expressed in the dialog that shows up, but the wording is not very 
>> clear.
>> 
>> Check all your documents and desktop files are in your Finder Home Folders 
>> on your Mac.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>>> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 8:57 am, Graham Rabe >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi ronni,
>>> 
>>> Looking at this link 
>>> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7680027?start=0=0 
>>>  makes me 
>>> think that my problem is not so easily resolved by unticking the Desktop 
>>> and Documents folder in iCloud under System Preferences.
>>> 
>>> By the way - I never even ticked the Desktop and Documents box under iCloud 
>>> at any time - that was how things were after installing Sierra.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Graham 
 On 30 Sep. 2016, at 8:39 am, Graham Rabe > wrote:
 
 Thanks for that Ronni.
 
 If I go to iCloud in System Preferences and untick iCloud Drive, the 
 message is “If you continue, documents on your Desktop and in your 
 Documents folder will be visible in iCloud Drive only”. 
 
 That is exactly what I do not want. 
 
 I just want to be where I was before Sierra - where my Documents folder is 
 in Finder under Favorites and not under iCloud section. 
 
 I’ve assumed that the only place you can turn iCloud Drive on or off is 
 under System 

Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Michael Hawkins]

For those who don't know Graham and me, he was a Mac sceptic for a couple of 
decades before I could persuade him to try one out, and if I can draw a 
parallel with born again Christians, he is far more evangelical than they are.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 2 Oct. 2016, at 11:25 am, Graham Rabe  wrote:
> 
> Hi Daniel,
> 
> Thanks for that.
> 
> Neither method you’ve referred to works. Documents and Desktop folders are 
> nowhere to be seen under first method and the only reference to those folders 
> in the Sidebar using the second method is under the iCloud section. 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Graham  
>> On 1 Oct. 2016, at 8:28 am, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Graham
>> 
>> You can put the folders in the Sidebar one of two ways.
>> First is you can just drag the folder into the Sidebar (from Macintosh HD - 
>> Users - Yourname, and folders will be there). Then just drag them in.
>> The second way is in in the Finder, go to File menu then Preferences. Then 
>> choose “Sidebar” and you can tick (or untick) the things you want there).
>> 
>> That should get them back to you.
>> Will try answer the second later, as just dashing out.
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Daniel
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6
>> 
>> ---
>> Daniel Kerr
>> MacWizardry
>> 
>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>> Email: 
>> Web:   
>> 
>> 
>> **For everything Apple**
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 1 Oct 2016, at 6:49 am, Graham Rabe  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Ronni,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for getting back to me. 
>>> 
>>> I no longer have folders under Favorites in Finder called “Desktop" and 
>>> “Documents” and have been unable to find anything on web about how to put 2 
>>> new folders there. Can you help?
>>> 
>>> Another thing - when I open a Word file I’m working on in iCloud Drive, it 
>>> opens up fine but when I right click on the file name at the top of the 
>>> screen, it shows its location still as if no change to iCloud has occurred 
>>> i.e. under my  previous User “Documents” folder in Favorites. There is no 
>>> reference to iCloud Drive (where I have to go to open it in Finder).
>>> 
>>> Weird.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Graham   
 On 30 Sep. 2016, at 1:57 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
 
 Hi Graham,
 
 The documents that were originally on your startup drive are still there 
 after turning on syncing. 
 They have just been made invisible.
 
 A) Are you sure all your documents & desktop files have been uploaded to 
 iCloud Drive?
 B) Did you turn on “Optimize Mac Storage” under iCloud Drive settings? If 
 so Turn it OFF.
 C) And you are NOT wanting to use iCloud Drive, and you want your 
 Documents and Desktop files back on your Mac?
 
 NOTE: I’m assuming you have a bootable backup containing your Documents & 
 Desktop folders ‘Prior’ to installing macOS Sierra and turning iCloud 
 Drive ON and enabling iCloud sync for ‘Documents and Desktop’. 
 
 If all above is the case and you definitely have all your Documents and 
 Desktop and data backed up.
 In case you need to manually copy the data back over from your backup if 
 you lose it.
 ——
 When iCloud sync for ‘Documents and Desktop’ is enabled, macOS simply 
 moves the folders to the iCloud Drive folder.
 When you uncheck the Documents and Desktop settings, it breaks that link 
 and creates new folders, but leaves your folders and files on iCloud 
 Drive. - The new folders are empty.
 
 So what I would suggest you try:
 1. Go to your iCloud Drive and move the files back from the Documents and 
 Desktop folders in the iCloud drive to the Documents and Desktop folders 
 in your User home folder. 
 
 This is expressed in the dialog that shows up, but the wording is not very 
 clear.
 
 Check all your documents and desktop files are in your Finder Home Folders 
 on your Mac.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 8:57 am, Graham Rabe  wrote:
> 
> Hi ronni,
> 
> Looking at this link 
> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7680027?start=0=0 makes me 
> think that my problem is not so easily resolved by unticking the Desktop 
> and Documents folder in iCloud under System Preferences.
> 
> By the way - I never even ticked the Desktop and Documents box under 
> iCloud at any time - that was how things were after installing Sierra.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Graham 
>> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 8:39 am, Graham Rabe  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for that Ronni.
>> 
>> If I go to iCloud in System Preferences and untick iCloud Drive, the 
>> message is “If you continue, documents on your Desktop and in your 
>> Documents folder will be visible in iCloud Drive only”. 
>> 
>> That is exactly what I do not want. 
>> 

Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Michael Hawkins]

Hello Graham,

I'm ever so grateful that WAMUG includes early adapters such as you. Rather 
ironic isn't it, given that you didn't discover Macs until your were at such an 
advanced age.

Cheers,

Michael

Sent from my iPhone

> On 2 Oct. 2016, at 11:25 am, Graham Rabe  wrote:
> 
> Hi Daniel,
> 
> Thanks for that.
> 
> Neither method you’ve referred to works. Documents and Desktop folders are 
> nowhere to be seen under first method and the only reference to those folders 
> in the Sidebar using the second method is under the iCloud section. 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Graham  
>> On 1 Oct. 2016, at 8:28 am, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Graham
>> 
>> You can put the folders in the Sidebar one of two ways.
>> First is you can just drag the folder into the Sidebar (from Macintosh HD - 
>> Users - Yourname, and folders will be there). Then just drag them in.
>> The second way is in in the Finder, go to File menu then Preferences. Then 
>> choose “Sidebar” and you can tick (or untick) the things you want there).
>> 
>> That should get them back to you.
>> Will try answer the second later, as just dashing out.
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Daniel
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6
>> 
>> ---
>> Daniel Kerr
>> MacWizardry
>> 
>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>> Email: 
>> Web:   
>> 
>> 
>> **For everything Apple**
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 1 Oct 2016, at 6:49 am, Graham Rabe  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Ronni,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for getting back to me. 
>>> 
>>> I no longer have folders under Favorites in Finder called “Desktop" and 
>>> “Documents” and have been unable to find anything on web about how to put 2 
>>> new folders there. Can you help?
>>> 
>>> Another thing - when I open a Word file I’m working on in iCloud Drive, it 
>>> opens up fine but when I right click on the file name at the top of the 
>>> screen, it shows its location still as if no change to iCloud has occurred 
>>> i.e. under my  previous User “Documents” folder in Favorites. There is no 
>>> reference to iCloud Drive (where I have to go to open it in Finder).
>>> 
>>> Weird.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Graham   
 On 30 Sep. 2016, at 1:57 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
 
 Hi Graham,
 
 The documents that were originally on your startup drive are still there 
 after turning on syncing. 
 They have just been made invisible.
 
 A) Are you sure all your documents & desktop files have been uploaded to 
 iCloud Drive?
 B) Did you turn on “Optimize Mac Storage” under iCloud Drive settings? If 
 so Turn it OFF.
 C) And you are NOT wanting to use iCloud Drive, and you want your 
 Documents and Desktop files back on your Mac?
 
 NOTE: I’m assuming you have a bootable backup containing your Documents & 
 Desktop folders ‘Prior’ to installing macOS Sierra and turning iCloud 
 Drive ON and enabling iCloud sync for ‘Documents and Desktop’. 
 
 If all above is the case and you definitely have all your Documents and 
 Desktop and data backed up.
 In case you need to manually copy the data back over from your backup if 
 you lose it.
 ——
 When iCloud sync for ‘Documents and Desktop’ is enabled, macOS simply 
 moves the folders to the iCloud Drive folder.
 When you uncheck the Documents and Desktop settings, it breaks that link 
 and creates new folders, but leaves your folders and files on iCloud 
 Drive. - The new folders are empty.
 
 So what I would suggest you try:
 1. Go to your iCloud Drive and move the files back from the Documents and 
 Desktop folders in the iCloud drive to the Documents and Desktop folders 
 in your User home folder. 
 
 This is expressed in the dialog that shows up, but the wording is not very 
 clear.
 
 Check all your documents and desktop files are in your Finder Home Folders 
 on your Mac.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 8:57 am, Graham Rabe  wrote:
> 
> Hi ronni,
> 
> Looking at this link 
> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7680027?start=0=0 makes me 
> think that my problem is not so easily resolved by unticking the Desktop 
> and Documents folder in iCloud under System Preferences.
> 
> By the way - I never even ticked the Desktop and Documents box under 
> iCloud at any time - that was how things were after installing Sierra.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Graham 
>> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 8:39 am, Graham Rabe  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for that Ronni.
>> 
>> If I go to iCloud in System Preferences and untick iCloud Drive, the 
>> message is “If you continue, documents on your Desktop and in your 
>> Documents folder will be visible in iCloud Drive only”. 
>> 
>> That is exactly what I do not want. 
>> 
>> I just want to be where 

Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Graham Rabe]

Hi Daniel,

Thanks for that.

Neither method you’ve referred to works. Documents and Desktop folders are 
nowhere to be seen under first method and the only reference to those folders 
in the Sidebar using the second method is under the iCloud section. 

Cheers,

Graham  
> On 1 Oct. 2016, at 8:28 am, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
> 
> Hi Graham
> 
> You can put the folders in the Sidebar one of two ways.
> First is you can just drag the folder into the Sidebar (from Macintosh HD - 
> Users - Yourname, and folders will be there). Then just drag them in.
> The second way is in in the Finder, go to File menu then Preferences. Then 
> choose “Sidebar” and you can tick (or untick) the things you want there).
> 
> That should get them back to you.
> Will try answer the second later, as just dashing out.
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6
> 
> ---
> Daniel Kerr
> MacWizardry
> 
> Phone: 0414 795 960
> Email: 
> Web:   
> 
> 
> **For everything Apple**
> 
> 
> 
>> On 1 Oct 2016, at 6:49 am, Graham Rabe  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ronni,
>> 
>> Thanks for getting back to me. 
>> 
>> I no longer have folders under Favorites in Finder called “Desktop" and 
>> “Documents” and have been unable to find anything on web about how to put 2 
>> new folders there. Can you help?
>> 
>> Another thing - when I open a Word file I’m working on in iCloud Drive, it 
>> opens up fine but when I right click on the file name at the top of the 
>> screen, it shows its location still as if no change to iCloud has occurred 
>> i.e. under my  previous User “Documents” folder in Favorites. There is no 
>> reference to iCloud Drive (where I have to go to open it in Finder).
>> 
>> Weird.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Graham   
>>> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 1:57 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Graham,
>>> 
>>> The documents that were originally on your startup drive are still there 
>>> after turning on syncing. 
>>> They have just been made invisible.
>>> 
>>> A) Are you sure all your documents & desktop files have been uploaded to 
>>> iCloud Drive?
>>> B) Did you turn on “Optimize Mac Storage” under iCloud Drive settings? If 
>>> so Turn it OFF.
>>> C) And you are NOT wanting to use iCloud Drive, and you want your Documents 
>>> and Desktop files back on your Mac?
>>> 
>>> NOTE: I’m assuming you have a bootable backup containing your Documents & 
>>> Desktop folders ‘Prior’ to installing macOS Sierra and turning iCloud Drive 
>>> ON and enabling iCloud sync for ‘Documents and Desktop’. 
>>> 
>>> If all above is the case and you definitely have all your Documents and 
>>> Desktop and data backed up.
>>> In case you need to manually copy the data back over from your backup if 
>>> you lose it.
>>> ——
>>> When iCloud sync for ‘Documents and Desktop’ is enabled, macOS simply moves 
>>> the folders to the iCloud Drive folder.
>>> When you uncheck the Documents and Desktop settings, it breaks that link 
>>> and creates new folders, but leaves your folders and files on iCloud Drive. 
>>> - The new folders are empty.
>>> 
>>> So what I would suggest you try:
>>> 1. Go to your iCloud Drive and move the files back from the Documents and 
>>> Desktop folders in the iCloud drive to the Documents and Desktop folders in 
>>> your User home folder. 
>>> 
>>> This is expressed in the dialog that shows up, but the wording is not very 
>>> clear.
>>> 
>>> Check all your documents and desktop files are in your Finder Home Folders 
>>> on your Mac.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
 On 30 Sep. 2016, at 8:57 am, Graham Rabe  wrote:
 
 Hi ronni,
 
 Looking at this link 
 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7680027?start=0=0 makes me 
 think that my problem is not so easily resolved by unticking the Desktop 
 and Documents folder in iCloud under System Preferences.
 
 By the way - I never even ticked the Desktop and Documents box under 
 iCloud at any time - that was how things were after installing Sierra.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Graham 
> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 8:39 am, Graham Rabe  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for that Ronni.
> 
> If I go to iCloud in System Preferences and untick iCloud Drive, the 
> message is “If you continue, documents on your Desktop and in your 
> Documents folder will be visible in iCloud Drive only”. 
> 
> That is exactly what I do not want. 
> 
> I just want to be where I was before Sierra - where my Documents folder 
> is in Finder under Favorites and not under iCloud section. 
> 
> I’ve assumed that the only place you can turn iCloud Drive on or off is 
> under System Preferences - iCloud.  And then I get the message referred 
> to above.
> 
> I’d appreciate any further assistance you could give me.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Graham 
>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 8:00 pm, 

Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Daniel Kerr]

Hi Graham

You can put the folders in the Sidebar one of two ways.
First is you can just drag the folder into the Sidebar (from Macintosh HD - 
Users - Yourname, and folders will be there). Then just drag them in.
The second way is in in the Finder, go to File menu then Preferences. Then 
choose “Sidebar” and you can tick (or untick) the things you want there).

That should get them back to you.
Will try answer the second later, as just dashing out.

Kind regards
Daniel

Sent from my iPhone 6

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> On 1 Oct 2016, at 6:49 am, Graham Rabe  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronni,
> 
> Thanks for getting back to me. 
> 
> I no longer have folders under Favorites in Finder called “Desktop" and 
> “Documents” and have been unable to find anything on web about how to put 2 
> new folders there. Can you help?
> 
> Another thing - when I open a Word file I’m working on in iCloud Drive, it 
> opens up fine but when I right click on the file name at the top of the 
> screen, it shows its location still as if no change to iCloud has occurred 
> i.e. under my  previous User “Documents” folder in Favorites. There is no 
> reference to iCloud Drive (where I have to go to open it in Finder).
> 
> Weird.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Graham   
>> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 1:57 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Graham,
>> 
>> The documents that were originally on your startup drive are still there 
>> after turning on syncing. 
>> They have just been made invisible.
>> 
>> A) Are you sure all your documents & desktop files have been uploaded to 
>> iCloud Drive?
>> B) Did you turn on “Optimize Mac Storage” under iCloud Drive settings? If so 
>> Turn it OFF.
>> C) And you are NOT wanting to use iCloud Drive, and you want your Documents 
>> and Desktop files back on your Mac?
>> 
>> NOTE: I’m assuming you have a bootable backup containing your Documents & 
>> Desktop folders ‘Prior’ to installing macOS Sierra and turning iCloud Drive 
>> ON and enabling iCloud sync for ‘Documents and Desktop’. 
>> 
>> If all above is the case and you definitely have all your Documents and 
>> Desktop and data backed up.
>> In case you need to manually copy the data back over from your backup if you 
>> lose it.
>> ——
>> When iCloud sync for ‘Documents and Desktop’ is enabled, macOS simply moves 
>> the folders to the iCloud Drive folder.
>> When you uncheck the Documents and Desktop settings, it breaks that link and 
>> creates new folders, but leaves your folders and files on iCloud Drive. - 
>> The new folders are empty.
>> 
>> So what I would suggest you try:
>> 1. Go to your iCloud Drive and move the files back from the Documents and 
>> Desktop folders in the iCloud drive to the Documents and Desktop folders in 
>> your User home folder. 
>> 
>>  This is expressed in the dialog that shows up, but the wording is not very 
>> clear.
>> 
>> Check all your documents and desktop files are in your Finder Home Folders 
>> on your Mac.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>>> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 8:57 am, Graham Rabe  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi ronni,
>>> 
>>> Looking at this link 
>>> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7680027?start=0=0 makes me 
>>> think that my problem is not so easily resolved by unticking the Desktop 
>>> and Documents folder in iCloud under System Preferences.
>>> 
>>> By the way - I never even ticked the Desktop and Documents box under iCloud 
>>> at any time - that was how things were after installing Sierra.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Graham 
 On 30 Sep. 2016, at 8:39 am, Graham Rabe  wrote:
 
 Thanks for that Ronni.
 
 If I go to iCloud in System Preferences and untick iCloud Drive, the 
 message is “If you continue, documents on your Desktop and in your 
 Documents folder will be visible in iCloud Drive only”. 
 
 That is exactly what I do not want. 
 
 I just want to be where I was before Sierra - where my Documents folder is 
 in Finder under Favorites and not under iCloud section. 
 
 I’ve assumed that the only place you can turn iCloud Drive on or off is 
 under System Preferences - iCloud.  And then I get the message referred to 
 above.
 
 I’d appreciate any further assistance you could give me.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Graham 
> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 8:00 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hello Graham & Michael,
> 
> You DON’T have to use "iCloud Drive" unless you want to! 
> The first thing I do after installing a OS X update & iOS update is check 
> that iCloud Drive is NOT ON… & turn if OFF if it is.
> " iCloud Drive” is turned OFF on all my iDevices and computers.
> I use iCloud but NOT “iCloud Drive”!
> 
> Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your 
> Desktop and Documents folders 

Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Graham Rabe]

Hi Ronni,

Thanks for getting back to me. 

I no longer have folders under Favorites in Finder called “Desktop" and 
“Documents” and have been unable to find anything on web about how to put 2 new 
folders there. Can you help?

Another thing - when I open a Word file I’m working on in iCloud Drive, it 
opens up fine but when I right click on the file name at the top of the screen, 
it shows its location still as if no change to iCloud has occurred i.e. under 
my  previous User “Documents” folder in Favorites. There is no reference to 
iCloud Drive (where I have to go to open it in Finder).

Weird.

Cheers,

Graham   
> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 1:57 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Graham,
> 
> The documents that were originally on your startup drive are still there 
> after turning on syncing. 
> They have just been made invisible.
> 
> A) Are you sure all your documents & desktop files have been uploaded to 
> iCloud Drive?
> B) Did you turn on “Optimize Mac Storage” under iCloud Drive settings? If so 
> Turn it OFF.
> C) And you are NOT wanting to use iCloud Drive, and you want your Documents 
> and Desktop files back on your Mac?
> 
> NOTE: I’m assuming you have a bootable backup containing your Documents & 
> Desktop folders ‘Prior’ to installing macOS Sierra and turning iCloud Drive 
> ON and enabling iCloud sync for ‘Documents and Desktop’. 
> 
> If all above is the case and you definitely have all your Documents and 
> Desktop and data backed up.
> In case you need to manually copy the data back over from your backup if you 
> lose it.
> ——
> When iCloud sync for ‘Documents and Desktop’ is enabled, macOS simply moves 
> the folders to the iCloud Drive folder.
> When you uncheck the Documents and Desktop settings, it breaks that link and 
> creates new folders, but leaves your folders and files on iCloud Drive. - The 
> new folders are empty.
> 
> So what I would suggest you try:
> 1. Go to your iCloud Drive and move the files back from the Documents and 
> Desktop folders in the iCloud drive to the Documents and Desktop folders in 
> your User home folder. 
> 
>  This is expressed in the dialog that shows up, but the wording is not very 
> clear.
> 
> Check all your documents and desktop files are in your Finder Home Folders on 
> your Mac.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
>> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 8:57 am, Graham Rabe > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi ronni,
>> 
>> Looking at this link 
>> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7680027?start=0=0 
>>  makes me 
>> think that my problem is not so easily resolved by unticking the Desktop and 
>> Documents folder in iCloud under System Preferences.
>> 
>> By the way - I never even ticked the Desktop and Documents box under iCloud 
>> at any time - that was how things were after installing Sierra.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Graham 
>>> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 8:39 am, Graham Rabe >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for that Ronni.
>>> 
>>> If I go to iCloud in System Preferences and untick iCloud Drive, the 
>>> message is “If you continue, documents on your Desktop and in your 
>>> Documents folder will be visible in iCloud Drive only”. 
>>> 
>>> That is exactly what I do not want. 
>>> 
>>> I just want to be where I was before Sierra - where my Documents folder is 
>>> in Finder under Favorites and not under iCloud section. 
>>> 
>>> I’ve assumed that the only place you can turn iCloud Drive on or off is 
>>> under System Preferences - iCloud.  And then I get the message referred to 
>>> above.
>>> 
>>> I’d appreciate any further assistance you could give me.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Graham 
 On 29 Sep. 2016, at 8:00 pm, Ronni Brown > wrote:
 
 Hello Graham & Michael,
 
 You DON’T have to use "iCloud Drive" unless you want to! 
 The first thing I do after installing a OS X update & iOS update is check 
 that iCloud Drive is NOT ON… & turn if OFF if it is.
 " iCloud Drive” is turned OFF on all my iDevices and computers.
 I use iCloud but NOT “iCloud Drive”!
 
 Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your 
 Desktop and Documents folders with iCloud Drive. 
 New! Documents and Desktop Folder Syncing
 Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your 
 Desktop and Documents folders with iCloud Drive. 
 You may want to keep it OFF until you’ve had time to consider it’s pros 
 and cons— 
 —
 Have a read of the 'iCloud Drive FAQ'
 >
 
 Use iCloud Drive to store documents, presentations, spreadsheets, PDFs, 
 images, you name it, on Apple’s servers. Everything you save here is 
 immediately synced and available on other compatible Apple devices you’ve 
 set up.
 
 

Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Graham,

The documents that were originally on your startup drive are still there after 
turning on syncing. 
They have just been made invisible.

A) Are you sure all your documents & desktop files have been uploaded to iCloud 
Drive?
B) Did you turn on “Optimize Mac Storage” under iCloud Drive settings? If so 
Turn it OFF.
C) And you are NOT wanting to use iCloud Drive, and you want your Documents and 
Desktop files back on your Mac?

NOTE: I’m assuming you have a bootable backup containing your Documents & 
Desktop folders ‘Prior’ to installing macOS Sierra and turning iCloud Drive ON 
and enabling iCloud sync for ‘Documents and Desktop’. 

If all above is the case and you definitely have all your Documents and Desktop 
and data backed up.
In case you need to manually copy the data back over from your backup if you 
lose it.
——
When iCloud sync for ‘Documents and Desktop’ is enabled, macOS simply moves the 
folders to the iCloud Drive folder.
When you uncheck the Documents and Desktop settings, it breaks that link and 
creates new folders, but leaves your folders and files on iCloud Drive. - The 
new folders are empty.

So what I would suggest you try:
1. Go to your iCloud Drive and move the files back from the Documents and 
Desktop folders in the iCloud drive to the Documents and Desktop folders in 
your User home folder. 

 This is expressed in the dialog that shows up, but the wording is not very 
clear.

Check all your documents and desktop files are in your Finder Home Folders on 
your Mac.

Cheers,
Ronni

> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 8:57 am, Graham Rabe  wrote:
> 
> Hi ronni,
> 
> Looking at this link 
> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7680027?start=0=0 
>  makes me 
> think that my problem is not so easily resolved by unticking the Desktop and 
> Documents folder in iCloud under System Preferences.
> 
> By the way - I never even ticked the Desktop and Documents box under iCloud 
> at any time - that was how things were after installing Sierra.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Graham 
>> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 8:39 am, Graham Rabe > > wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for that Ronni.
>> 
>> If I go to iCloud in System Preferences and untick iCloud Drive, the message 
>> is “If you continue, documents on your Desktop and in your Documents folder 
>> will be visible in iCloud Drive only”. 
>> 
>> That is exactly what I do not want. 
>> 
>> I just want to be where I was before Sierra - where my Documents folder is 
>> in Finder under Favorites and not under iCloud section. 
>> 
>> I’ve assumed that the only place you can turn iCloud Drive on or off is 
>> under System Preferences - iCloud.  And then I get the message referred to 
>> above.
>> 
>> I’d appreciate any further assistance you could give me.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Graham 
>>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 8:00 pm, Ronni Brown >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Graham & Michael,
>>> 
>>> You DON’T have to use "iCloud Drive" unless you want to! 
>>> The first thing I do after installing a OS X update & iOS update is check 
>>> that iCloud Drive is NOT ON… & turn if OFF if it is.
>>> " iCloud Drive” is turned OFF on all my iDevices and computers.
>>> I use iCloud but NOT “iCloud Drive”!
>>> 
>>> Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your Desktop 
>>> and Documents folders with iCloud Drive. 
>>> New! Documents and Desktop Folder Syncing
>>> Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your Desktop 
>>> and Documents folders with iCloud Drive. 
>>> You may want to keep it OFF until you’ve had time to consider it’s pros and 
>>> cons— 
>>> —
>>> Have a read of the 'iCloud Drive FAQ'
>>> >> >
>>> 
>>> Use iCloud Drive to store documents, presentations, spreadsheets, PDFs, 
>>> images, you name it, on Apple’s servers. Everything you save here is 
>>> immediately synced and available on other compatible Apple devices you’ve 
>>> set up.
>>> 
>>> That means you can work on a document on your iPad and then open it later 
>>> on your Mac. In many cases, you can also work with it on the iCloud.com 
>>>  Web site.
>>> 
>>> Apple’s iCloud Drive stores your files in the cloud, making it easy to 
>>> access them on any of your Apple devices (or a Windows PC)—so long as the 
>>> device has a fast enough Internet connection. 
>>> 
>>> Drag files to and from the iCloud Drive folder in your Mac’s Finder, and 
>>> iCloud Drive syncs them across your devices so they’re always up to date.
>>> ==
>>> Re: Sierra ——— macOS Sierra 10.12:
>>> I have been running macOS Sierra 10.12 successfully on both my MacBook Pro 
>>> and MacBook Air, without any problems at all.
>>> But - I did follow my normal safety ‘Prepare' before upgrading any major 
>>> version of OS X.
>>> I updated all 

Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Graham Rabe]

Hi ronni,

Looking at this link 
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7680027?start=0=0 
 makes me think 
that my problem is not so easily resolved by unticking the Desktop and 
Documents folder in iCloud under System Preferences.

By the way - I never even ticked the Desktop and Documents box under iCloud at 
any time - that was how things were after installing Sierra.

Cheers,

Graham 
> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 8:39 am, Graham Rabe  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for that Ronni.
> 
> If I go to iCloud in System Preferences and untick iCloud Drive, the message 
> is “If you continue, documents on your Desktop and in your Documents folder 
> will be visible in iCloud Drive only”. 
> 
> That is exactly what I do not want. 
> 
> I just want to be where I was before Sierra - where my Documents folder is in 
> Finder under Favorites and not under iCloud section. 
> 
> I’ve assumed that the only place you can turn iCloud Drive on or off is under 
> System Preferences - iCloud.  And then I get the message referred to above.
> 
> I’d appreciate any further assistance you could give me.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Graham 
>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 8:00 pm, Ronni Brown > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Graham & Michael,
>> 
>> You DON’T have to use "iCloud Drive" unless you want to! 
>> The first thing I do after installing a OS X update & iOS update is check 
>> that iCloud Drive is NOT ON… & turn if OFF if it is.
>> " iCloud Drive” is turned OFF on all my iDevices and computers.
>> I use iCloud but NOT “iCloud Drive”!
>> 
>> Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your Desktop 
>> and Documents folders with iCloud Drive. 
>> New! Documents and Desktop Folder Syncing
>> Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your Desktop 
>> and Documents folders with iCloud Drive. 
>> You may want to keep it OFF until you’ve had time to consider it’s pros and 
>> cons— 
>> —
>> Have a read of the 'iCloud Drive FAQ'
>> > >
>> 
>> Use iCloud Drive to store documents, presentations, spreadsheets, PDFs, 
>> images, you name it, on Apple’s servers. Everything you save here is 
>> immediately synced and available on other compatible Apple devices you’ve 
>> set up.
>> 
>> That means you can work on a document on your iPad and then open it later on 
>> your Mac. In many cases, you can also work with it on the iCloud.com 
>>  Web site.
>> 
>> Apple’s iCloud Drive stores your files in the cloud, making it easy to 
>> access them on any of your Apple devices (or a Windows PC)—so long as the 
>> device has a fast enough Internet connection. 
>> 
>> Drag files to and from the iCloud Drive folder in your Mac’s Finder, and 
>> iCloud Drive syncs them across your devices so they’re always up to date.
>> ==
>> Re: Sierra ——— macOS Sierra 10.12:
>> I have been running macOS Sierra 10.12 successfully on both my MacBook Pro 
>> and MacBook Air, without any problems at all.
>> But - I did follow my normal safety ‘Prepare' before upgrading any major 
>> version of OS X.
>> I updated all applications that had Sierra updates, did CCC bootable backups 
>> / Time Machine as in my Post  to WAMUG members 23 Sept. 2016 at 8:15am - 
>> Subject: Sierra
>> 
>> Prepare to upgrade:
>> 1. Make sure your computer can run Sierra.
>> 2. BACKUP! - BACKUP!
>> 3. Make sure key software is up to date, and remove clutter that could 
>> interfere with the upgrade. 
>> 4. Decide which upgrade strategy is best for you
>> etc etc etc as per my previous post.
>> 
>> I really like Sierra it is a very good upgrade. One of features I find 
>> extremely useful is ‘Handoff’
>> "Use Handoff to move seamlessly between your Apple devices. For instance, 
>> say you start to write an email message on your Mac and then have to rush 
>> out the door for work. While you wait at the train station, you can finish 
>> composing the message on your iPhone. Or, say you start reading an article 
>> in Safari on your iPad and then want to finish on your iMac at the office. 
>> Handoff lets you pick up where you left off when using Calendar, Contacts, 
>> Keynote, Mail, Maps, Messages, Notes, Numbers, Pages, Reminders, Safari, and 
>> some third-party apps in Sierra and iOS 10”
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
>> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
>> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
>> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
>> 
>> macOS Sierra 10.12
>> 
>>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 1:18 pm, Graham Rabe >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve upgraded to Sierra and all of my data in my previous “Documents” 
>>> folder previously on my hard drive (in Finder under Documents”) is now only 
>>> available in iCloud (where there is now a “Documents” folder). There is no 
>>> longer a “Documents” 

Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Graham Rabe]

Thanks for that Ronni.

If I go to iCloud in System Preferences and untick iCloud Drive, the message is 
“If you continue, documents on your Desktop and in your Documents folder will 
be visible in iCloud Drive only”. 

That is exactly what I do not want. 

I just want to be where I was before Sierra - where my Documents folder is in 
Finder under Favorites and not under iCloud section. 

I’ve assumed that the only place you can turn iCloud Drive on or off is under 
System Preferences - iCloud.  And then I get the message referred to above.

I’d appreciate any further assistance you could give me.

Thanks,

Graham 
> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 8:00 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hello Graham & Michael,
> 
> You DON’T have to use "iCloud Drive" unless you want to! 
> The first thing I do after installing a OS X update & iOS update is check 
> that iCloud Drive is NOT ON… & turn if OFF if it is.
> " iCloud Drive” is turned OFF on all my iDevices and computers.
> I use iCloud but NOT “iCloud Drive”!
> 
> Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your Desktop 
> and Documents folders with iCloud Drive. 
> New! Documents and Desktop Folder Syncing
> Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your Desktop 
> and Documents folders with iCloud Drive. 
> You may want to keep it OFF until you’ve had time to consider it’s pros and 
> cons— 
> —
> Have a read of the 'iCloud Drive FAQ'
>  >
> 
> Use iCloud Drive to store documents, presentations, spreadsheets, PDFs, 
> images, you name it, on Apple’s servers. Everything you save here is 
> immediately synced and available on other compatible Apple devices you’ve set 
> up.
> 
> That means you can work on a document on your iPad and then open it later on 
> your Mac. In many cases, you can also work with it on the iCloud.com 
>  Web site.
> 
> Apple’s iCloud Drive stores your files in the cloud, making it easy to access 
> them on any of your Apple devices (or a Windows PC)—so long as the device has 
> a fast enough Internet connection. 
> 
> Drag files to and from the iCloud Drive folder in your Mac’s Finder, and 
> iCloud Drive syncs them across your devices so they’re always up to date.
> ==
> Re: Sierra ——— macOS Sierra 10.12:
> I have been running macOS Sierra 10.12 successfully on both my MacBook Pro 
> and MacBook Air, without any problems at all.
> But - I did follow my normal safety ‘Prepare' before upgrading any major 
> version of OS X.
> I updated all applications that had Sierra updates, did CCC bootable backups 
> / Time Machine as in my Post  to WAMUG members 23 Sept. 2016 at 8:15am - 
> Subject: Sierra
> 
> Prepare to upgrade:
> 1. Make sure your computer can run Sierra.
> 2. BACKUP! - BACKUP!
> 3. Make sure key software is up to date, and remove clutter that could 
> interfere with the upgrade. 
> 4. Decide which upgrade strategy is best for you
> etc etc etc as per my previous post.
> 
> I really like Sierra it is a very good upgrade. One of features I find 
> extremely useful is ‘Handoff’
> "Use Handoff to move seamlessly between your Apple devices. For instance, say 
> you start to write an email message on your Mac and then have to rush out the 
> door for work. While you wait at the train station, you can finish composing 
> the message on your iPhone. Or, say you start reading an article in Safari on 
> your iPad and then want to finish on your iMac at the office. 
> Handoff lets you pick up where you left off when using Calendar, Contacts, 
> Keynote, Mail, Maps, Messages, Notes, Numbers, Pages, Reminders, Safari, and 
> some third-party apps in Sierra and iOS 10”
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
> 
> macOS Sierra 10.12
> 
>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 1:18 pm, Graham Rabe > > wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve upgraded to Sierra and all of my data in my previous “Documents” folder 
>> previously on my hard drive (in Finder under Documents”) is now only 
>> available in iCloud (where there is now a “Documents” folder). There is no 
>> longer a “Documents” folder listed anywhere on my hard drive. 
>> 
>> I’ve gone to System Preferences - iCloud and see that I can change that 
>> scenario (under Options). 
>> 
>> What I can’t figure out is that at the bottom of that Options box it states 
>> that “The full contents of iCloud Drive will be stored on this Mac if you 
>> have enough space. Older documents will be stored only in iCloud when space 
>> is needed.”
>> 
>> I have more than enough space on my hard drive. 
>> 
>> In the Finder menu, when I select  “Go” for “Documents” - it shows the 
>> documents in the iCloud section. 
>> 
>> My question is: where in Finder do I find all of my documents on my hard 
>> drive? 

Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Michael,

I thought I had already explained in my previous reply?

To add to my previous explanation of 'Handoff'.
"Handoff let's you start something on one device and instantly pick it up on 
other devices using your iCloud account. The app you need appears in the lock 
screen, app switcher, and the Dock on a Mac"

Handoff has been around before macOS Sierra & iOS 10, but it seems to work 
better in the current updates.

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad4


> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 9:27 pm, Michael Hawkins 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Ronni,
> 
> What's the difference in result between hand-off and emailing to yourself, 
> what ever you're working on?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Michael
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 8:00 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Graham & Michael,
>> 
>> You DON’T have to use "iCloud Drive" unless you want to! 
>> The first thing I do after installing a OS X update & iOS update is check 
>> that iCloud Drive is NOT ON… & turn if OFF if it is.
>> " iCloud Drive” is turned OFF on all my iDevices and computers.
>> I use iCloud but NOT “iCloud Drive”!
>> 
>> Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your Desktop 
>> and Documents folders with iCloud Drive. 
>> New! Documents and Desktop Folder Syncing
>> Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your Desktop 
>> and Documents folders with iCloud Drive. 
>> You may want to keep it OFF until you’ve had time to consider it’s pros and 
>> cons— 
>> —
>> Have a read of the 'iCloud Drive FAQ'
>> 
>> 
>> Use iCloud Drive to store documents, presentations, spreadsheets, PDFs, 
>> images, you name it, on Apple’s servers. Everything you save here is 
>> immediately synced and available on other compatible Apple devices you’ve 
>> set up.
>> 
>> That means you can work on a document on your iPad and then open it later on 
>> your Mac. In many cases, you can also work with it on the iCloud.com Web 
>> site.
>> 
>> Apple’s iCloud Drive stores your files in the cloud, making it easy to 
>> access them on any of your Apple devices (or a Windows PC)—so long as the 
>> device has a fast enough Internet connection. 
>> 
>> Drag files to and from the iCloud Drive folder in your Mac’s Finder, and 
>> iCloud Drive syncs them across your devices so they’re always up to date.
>> ==
>> Re: Sierra ——— macOS Sierra 10.12:
>> I have been running macOS Sierra 10.12 successfully on both my MacBook Pro 
>> and MacBook Air, without any problems at all.
>> But - I did follow my normal safety ‘Prepare' before upgrading any major 
>> version of OS X.
>> I updated all applications that had Sierra updates, did CCC bootable backups 
>> / Time Machine as in my Post  to WAMUG members 23 Sept. 2016 at 8:15am - 
>> Subject: Sierra
>> 
>> Prepare to upgrade:
>> 1. Make sure your computer can run Sierra.
>> 2. BACKUP! - BACKUP!
>> 3. Make sure key software is up to date, and remove clutter that could 
>> interfere with the upgrade. 
>> 4. Decide which upgrade strategy is best for you
>> etc etc etc as per my previous post.
>> 
>> I really like Sierra it is a very good upgrade. One of features I find 
>> extremely useful is ‘Handoff’
>> "Use Handoff to move seamlessly between your Apple devices. For instance, 
>> say you start to write an email message on your Mac and then have to rush 
>> out the door for work. While you wait at the train station, you can finish 
>> composing the message on your iPhone. Or, say you start reading an article 
>> in Safari on your iPad and then want to finish on your iMac at the office. 
>> Handoff lets you pick up where you left off when using Calendar, Contacts, 
>> Keynote, Mail, Maps, Messages, Notes, Numbers, Pages, Reminders, Safari, and 
>> some third-party apps in Sierra and iOS 10”
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
>> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
>> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
>> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
>> 
>> macOS Sierra 10.12
>> 
>>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 1:18 pm, Graham Rabe  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve upgraded to Sierra and all of my data in my previous “Documents” 
>>> folder previously on my hard drive (in Finder under Documents”) is now only 
>>> available in iCloud (where there is now a “Documents” folder). There is no 
>>> longer a “Documents” folder listed anywhere on my hard drive. 
>>> 
>>> I’ve gone to System Preferences - iCloud and see that I can change that 
>>> scenario (under Options). 
>>> 
>>> What I can’t figure out is that at the bottom of that Options box it states 
>>> that “The full contents of iCloud Drive will be stored on this Mac if you 
>>> have enough space. Older documents will be stored only in iCloud when space 
>>> is needed.”
>>> 
>>> I have more than enough space on my hard drive. 
>>> 
>>> In the Finder menu, when I select  “Go” for “Documents” - it shows the 
>>> documents in 

Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Michael Hawkins]

Thanks Ronni,

What's the difference in result between hand-off and emailing to yourself, what 
ever you're working on?

Cheers,

Michael
Sent from my iPhone

> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 8:00 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hello Graham & Michael,
> 
> You DON’T have to use "iCloud Drive" unless you want to! 
> The first thing I do after installing a OS X update & iOS update is check 
> that iCloud Drive is NOT ON… & turn if OFF if it is.
> " iCloud Drive” is turned OFF on all my iDevices and computers.
> I use iCloud but NOT “iCloud Drive”!
> 
> Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your Desktop 
> and Documents folders with iCloud Drive. 
> New! Documents and Desktop Folder Syncing
> Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your Desktop 
> and Documents folders with iCloud Drive. 
> You may want to keep it OFF until you’ve had time to consider it’s pros and 
> cons— 
> —
> Have a read of the 'iCloud Drive FAQ'
> 
> 
> Use iCloud Drive to store documents, presentations, spreadsheets, PDFs, 
> images, you name it, on Apple’s servers. Everything you save here is 
> immediately synced and available on other compatible Apple devices you’ve set 
> up.
> 
> That means you can work on a document on your iPad and then open it later on 
> your Mac. In many cases, you can also work with it on the iCloud.com Web site.
> 
> Apple’s iCloud Drive stores your files in the cloud, making it easy to access 
> them on any of your Apple devices (or a Windows PC)—so long as the device has 
> a fast enough Internet connection. 
> 
> Drag files to and from the iCloud Drive folder in your Mac’s Finder, and 
> iCloud Drive syncs them across your devices so they’re always up to date.
> ==
> Re: Sierra ——— macOS Sierra 10.12:
> I have been running macOS Sierra 10.12 successfully on both my MacBook Pro 
> and MacBook Air, without any problems at all.
> But - I did follow my normal safety ‘Prepare' before upgrading any major 
> version of OS X.
> I updated all applications that had Sierra updates, did CCC bootable backups 
> / Time Machine as in my Post  to WAMUG members 23 Sept. 2016 at 8:15am - 
> Subject: Sierra
> 
> Prepare to upgrade:
> 1. Make sure your computer can run Sierra.
> 2. BACKUP! - BACKUP!
> 3. Make sure key software is up to date, and remove clutter that could 
> interfere with the upgrade. 
> 4. Decide which upgrade strategy is best for you
> etc etc etc as per my previous post.
> 
> I really like Sierra it is a very good upgrade. One of features I find 
> extremely useful is ‘Handoff’
> "Use Handoff to move seamlessly between your Apple devices. For instance, say 
> you start to write an email message on your Mac and then have to rush out the 
> door for work. While you wait at the train station, you can finish composing 
> the message on your iPhone. Or, say you start reading an article in Safari on 
> your iPad and then want to finish on your iMac at the office. 
> Handoff lets you pick up where you left off when using Calendar, Contacts, 
> Keynote, Mail, Maps, Messages, Notes, Numbers, Pages, Reminders, Safari, and 
> some third-party apps in Sierra and iOS 10”
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
> 
> macOS Sierra 10.12
> 
>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 1:18 pm, Graham Rabe  wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve upgraded to Sierra and all of my data in my previous “Documents” folder 
>> previously on my hard drive (in Finder under Documents”) is now only 
>> available in iCloud (where there is now a “Documents” folder). There is no 
>> longer a “Documents” folder listed anywhere on my hard drive. 
>> 
>> I’ve gone to System Preferences - iCloud and see that I can change that 
>> scenario (under Options). 
>> 
>> What I can’t figure out is that at the bottom of that Options box it states 
>> that “The full contents of iCloud Drive will be stored on this Mac if you 
>> have enough space. Older documents will be stored only in iCloud when space 
>> is needed.”
>> 
>> I have more than enough space on my hard drive. 
>> 
>> In the Finder menu, when I select  “Go” for “Documents” - it shows the 
>> documents in the iCloud section. 
>> 
>> My question is: where in Finder do I find all of my documents on my hard 
>> drive? Where are they “stored”?
>> 
>> Any views/recommendations about allowing all documents to be stored only on 
>> iCloud under this new regime would be appreciated. What and the hell happens 
>> when iCloud bombs out/is hacked etc etc? And if I use this iCloud method of 
>> saving all my data previously stored on the hard drive under the “Documents” 
>> folder, what work is my local Time Machine able to do by way of backing up 
>> (and/or other external drives that I use for backup backups for that 
>> matter). 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Graham Rabe 
>> 
>> iMac late 

Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Ronni Brown]

Hello Graham & Michael,

You DON’T have to use "iCloud Drive" unless you want to! 
The first thing I do after installing a OS X update & iOS update is check that 
iCloud Drive is NOT ON… & turn if OFF if it is.
" iCloud Drive” is turned OFF on all my iDevices and computers.
I use iCloud but NOT “iCloud Drive”!

Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your Desktop and 
Documents folders with iCloud Drive. 
New! Documents and Desktop Folder Syncing
Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your Desktop and 
Documents folders with iCloud Drive. 
You may want to keep it OFF until you’ve had time to consider it’s pros and 
cons— 
—
Have a read of the 'iCloud Drive FAQ'
>

Use iCloud Drive to store documents, presentations, spreadsheets, PDFs, images, 
you name it, on Apple’s servers. Everything you save here is immediately synced 
and available on other compatible Apple devices you’ve set up.

That means you can work on a document on your iPad and then open it later on 
your Mac. In many cases, you can also work with it on the iCloud.com 
 Web site.

Apple’s iCloud Drive stores your files in the cloud, making it easy to access 
them on any of your Apple devices (or a Windows PC)—so long as the device has a 
fast enough Internet connection. 

Drag files to and from the iCloud Drive folder in your Mac’s Finder, and iCloud 
Drive syncs them across your devices so they’re always up to date.
==
Re: Sierra ——— macOS Sierra 10.12:
I have been running macOS Sierra 10.12 successfully on both my MacBook Pro and 
MacBook Air, without any problems at all.
But - I did follow my normal safety ‘Prepare' before upgrading any major 
version of OS X.
I updated all applications that had Sierra updates, did CCC bootable backups / 
Time Machine as in my Post  to WAMUG members 23 Sept. 2016 at 8:15am - Subject: 
Sierra

Prepare to upgrade:
1. Make sure your computer can run Sierra.
2. BACKUP! - BACKUP!
3. Make sure key software is up to date, and remove clutter that could 
interfere with the upgrade. 
4. Decide which upgrade strategy is best for you
etc etc etc as per my previous post.

I really like Sierra it is a very good upgrade. One of features I find 
extremely useful is ‘Handoff’
"Use Handoff to move seamlessly between your Apple devices. For instance, say 
you start to write an email message on your Mac and then have to rush out the 
door for work. While you wait at the train station, you can finish composing 
the message on your iPhone. Or, say you start reading an article in Safari on 
your iPad and then want to finish on your iMac at the office. 
Handoff lets you pick up where you left off when using Calendar, Contacts, 
Keynote, Mail, Maps, Messages, Notes, Numbers, Pages, Reminders, Safari, and 
some third-party apps in Sierra and iOS 10”

Cheers,
Ronni

13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage

macOS Sierra 10.12

> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 1:18 pm, Graham Rabe  wrote:
> 
> I’ve upgraded to Sierra and all of my data in my previous “Documents” folder 
> previously on my hard drive (in Finder under Documents”) is now only 
> available in iCloud (where there is now a “Documents” folder). There is no 
> longer a “Documents” folder listed anywhere on my hard drive. 
> 
> I’ve gone to System Preferences - iCloud and see that I can change that 
> scenario (under Options). 
> 
> What I can’t figure out is that at the bottom of that Options box it states 
> that “The full contents of iCloud Drive will be stored on this Mac if you 
> have enough space. Older documents will be stored only in iCloud when space 
> is needed.”
> 
> I have more than enough space on my hard drive. 
> 
> In the Finder menu, when I select  “Go” for “Documents” - it shows the 
> documents in the iCloud section. 
> 
> My question is: where in Finder do I find all of my documents on my hard 
> drive? Where are they “stored”?
> 
> Any views/recommendations about allowing all documents to be stored only on 
> iCloud under this new regime would be appreciated. What and the hell happens 
> when iCloud bombs out/is hacked etc etc? And if I use this iCloud method of 
> saving all my data previously stored on the hard drive under the “Documents” 
> folder, what work is my local Time Machine able to do by way of backing up 
> (and/or other external drives that I use for backup backups for that matter). 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Graham Rabe 
> 
> iMac late 2012
> macOS Sierra 10.12



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Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Michael Hawkins]

Hello Graham,

I haven’t installed Sierra. 

I do not want to be forced to store or save things on anything other than my 
computer, I do not want my speed of access to documents to be governed by the 
number of people in my suburb who are on the internet, and I have no wish to be 
working with my head in the cloud…

Cheers,

Michael


> On 29 Sep 2016, at 4:02 PM, Graham Rabe  wrote:
> 
> I’m on a limitless plan with iinet. 
> 
> Have you upgraded to Sierra? If so - any problems?
> 
>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 3:46 pm, Michael Hawkins 
>> > 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> If you're constantly shuttling between keyboard and iCloud, you must have a 
>> large monthly limit!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 2:50 pm, Graham Rabe > > wrote:
>> 
>>> I use my credit card :)
 On 29 Sep. 2016, at 2:09 pm, Michael Hawkins 
 > wrote:
 
 And how do you fund your broadband connection?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 29 Sep. 2016, at 1:18 pm, Graham Rabe > wrote:
 
> I’ve upgraded to Sierra and all of my data in my previous “Documents” 
> folder previously on my hard drive (in Finder under Documents”) is now 
> only available in iCloud (where there is now a “Documents” folder). There 
> is no longer a “Documents” folder listed anywhere on my hard drive. 
> 
> I’ve gone to System Preferences - iCloud and see that I can change that 
> scenario (under Options). 
> 
> What I can’t figure out is that at the bottom of that Options box it 
> states that “The full contents of iCloud Drive will be stored on this Mac 
> if you have enough space. Older documents will be stored only in iCloud 
> when space is needed.”
> 
> I have more than enough space on my hard drive. 
> 
> In the Finder menu, when I select  “Go” for “Documents” - it shows the 
> documents in the iCloud section. 
> 
> My question is: where in Finder do I find all of my documents on my hard 
> drive? Where are they “stored”?
> 
> Any views/recommendations about allowing all documents to be stored only 
> on iCloud under this new regime would be appreciated. What and the hell 
> happens when iCloud bombs out/is hacked etc etc? And if I use this iCloud 
> method of saving all my data previously stored on the hard drive under 
> the “Documents” folder, what work is my local Time Machine able to do by 
> way of backing up (and/or other external drives that I use for backup 
> backups for that matter). 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Graham Rabe 
> 
> iMac late 2012
> macOS Sierra 10.12
> 
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Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Graham Rabe]

I’m on a limitless plan with iinet. 

Have you upgraded to Sierra? If so - any problems?

> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 3:46 pm, Michael Hawkins 
>  wrote:
> 
> If you're constantly shuttling between keyboard and iCloud, you must have a 
> large monthly limit!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 2:50 pm, Graham Rabe  > wrote:
> 
>> I use my credit card :)
>>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 2:09 pm, Michael Hawkins 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> And how do you fund your broadband connection?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 1:18 pm, Graham Rabe >> > wrote:
>>> 
 I’ve upgraded to Sierra and all of my data in my previous “Documents” 
 folder previously on my hard drive (in Finder under Documents”) is now 
 only available in iCloud (where there is now a “Documents” folder). There 
 is no longer a “Documents” folder listed anywhere on my hard drive. 
 
 I’ve gone to System Preferences - iCloud and see that I can change that 
 scenario (under Options). 
 
 What I can’t figure out is that at the bottom of that Options box it 
 states that “The full contents of iCloud Drive will be stored on this Mac 
 if you have enough space. Older documents will be stored only in iCloud 
 when space is needed.”
 
 I have more than enough space on my hard drive. 
 
 In the Finder menu, when I select  “Go” for “Documents” - it shows the 
 documents in the iCloud section. 
 
 My question is: where in Finder do I find all of my documents on my hard 
 drive? Where are they “stored”?
 
 Any views/recommendations about allowing all documents to be stored only 
 on iCloud under this new regime would be appreciated. What and the hell 
 happens when iCloud bombs out/is hacked etc etc? And if I use this iCloud 
 method of saving all my data previously stored on the hard drive under the 
 “Documents” folder, what work is my local Time Machine able to do by way 
 of backing up (and/or other external drives that I use for backup backups 
 for that matter). 
 
 Thanks,
 
 Graham Rabe 
 
 iMac late 2012
 macOS Sierra 10.12
 
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Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Michael Hawkins]

If you're constantly shuttling between keyboard and iCloud, you must have a 
large monthly limit!

Sent from my iPhone

> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 2:50 pm, Graham Rabe  wrote:
> 
> I use my credit card :)
>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 2:09 pm, Michael Hawkins 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> And how do you fund your broadband connection?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 1:18 pm, Graham Rabe  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve upgraded to Sierra and all of my data in my previous “Documents” 
>>> folder previously on my hard drive (in Finder under Documents”) is now only 
>>> available in iCloud (where there is now a “Documents” folder). There is no 
>>> longer a “Documents” folder listed anywhere on my hard drive. 
>>> 
>>> I’ve gone to System Preferences - iCloud and see that I can change that 
>>> scenario (under Options). 
>>> 
>>> What I can’t figure out is that at the bottom of that Options box it states 
>>> that “The full contents of iCloud Drive will be stored on this Mac if you 
>>> have enough space. Older documents will be stored only in iCloud when space 
>>> is needed.”
>>> 
>>> I have more than enough space on my hard drive. 
>>> 
>>> In the Finder menu, when I select  “Go” for “Documents” - it shows the 
>>> documents in the iCloud section. 
>>> 
>>> My question is: where in Finder do I find all of my documents on my hard 
>>> drive? Where are they “stored”?
>>> 
>>> Any views/recommendations about allowing all documents to be stored only on 
>>> iCloud under this new regime would be appreciated. What and the hell 
>>> happens when iCloud bombs out/is hacked etc etc? And if I use this iCloud 
>>> method of saving all my data previously stored on the hard drive under the 
>>> “Documents” folder, what work is my local Time Machine able to do by way of 
>>> backing up (and/or other external drives that I use for backup backups for 
>>> that matter). 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Graham Rabe 
>>> 
>>> iMac late 2012
>>> macOS Sierra 10.12
>>> 
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[Graham Rabe]

I use my credit card :)
> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 2:09 pm, Michael Hawkins 
>  wrote:
> 
> And how do you fund your broadband connection?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 1:18 pm, Graham Rabe  > wrote:
> 
>> I’ve upgraded to Sierra and all of my data in my previous “Documents” folder 
>> previously on my hard drive (in Finder under Documents”) is now only 
>> available in iCloud (where there is now a “Documents” folder). There is no 
>> longer a “Documents” folder listed anywhere on my hard drive. 
>> 
>> I’ve gone to System Preferences - iCloud and see that I can change that 
>> scenario (under Options). 
>> 
>> What I can’t figure out is that at the bottom of that Options box it states 
>> that “The full contents of iCloud Drive will be stored on this Mac if you 
>> have enough space. Older documents will be stored only in iCloud when space 
>> is needed.”
>> 
>> I have more than enough space on my hard drive. 
>> 
>> In the Finder menu, when I select  “Go” for “Documents” - it shows the 
>> documents in the iCloud section. 
>> 
>> My question is: where in Finder do I find all of my documents on my hard 
>> drive? Where are they “stored”?
>> 
>> Any views/recommendations about allowing all documents to be stored only on 
>> iCloud under this new regime would be appreciated. What and the hell happens 
>> when iCloud bombs out/is hacked etc etc? And if I use this iCloud method of 
>> saving all my data previously stored on the hard drive under the “Documents” 
>> folder, what work is my local Time Machine able to do by way of backing up 
>> (and/or other external drives that I use for backup backups for that 
>> matter). 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Graham Rabe 
>> 
>> iMac late 2012
>> macOS Sierra 10.12
>> 
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[Michael Hawkins]

And how do you fund your broadband connection?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 1:18 pm, Graham Rabe  wrote:
> 
> I’ve upgraded to Sierra and all of my data in my previous “Documents” folder 
> previously on my hard drive (in Finder under Documents”) is now only 
> available in iCloud (where there is now a “Documents” folder). There is no 
> longer a “Documents” folder listed anywhere on my hard drive. 
> 
> I’ve gone to System Preferences - iCloud and see that I can change that 
> scenario (under Options). 
> 
> What I can’t figure out is that at the bottom of that Options box it states 
> that “The full contents of iCloud Drive will be stored on this Mac if you 
> have enough space. Older documents will be stored only in iCloud when space 
> is needed.”
> 
> I have more than enough space on my hard drive. 
> 
> In the Finder menu, when I select  “Go” for “Documents” - it shows the 
> documents in the iCloud section. 
> 
> My question is: where in Finder do I find all of my documents on my hard 
> drive? Where are they “stored”?
> 
> Any views/recommendations about allowing all documents to be stored only on 
> iCloud under this new regime would be appreciated. What and the hell happens 
> when iCloud bombs out/is hacked etc etc? And if I use this iCloud method of 
> saving all my data previously stored on the hard drive under the “Documents” 
> folder, what work is my local Time Machine able to do by way of backing up 
> (and/or other external drives that I use for backup backups for that matter). 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Graham Rabe 
> 
> iMac late 2012
> macOS Sierra 10.12
> 
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