Re: Flux Web Design Took
On 16/01/2012, at 9:30 AM, James / Hans Kunz wrote: just out of interest... how is sandvox classified as web/html editor? James Sandvox is a completely different animal from Flux. While an excellent product in its own right, Sandvox is far more limiting if you are used to doing a lot of hand coding and tweaking. It's a bit like comparing Bento with Filemaker Pro. Sandvox relies heavily on ready-made templates, and any modifications you make are tightly confined within the constraints of those templates, which mean that you do not have complete freedom on where particular elements might appear on the page. The secret to using Sandvox is in discovering the right template for your concept, and fortunately there is a huge variety to choose from, either built in to the software (over 50 come with the application) or purchased from a a small but healthy cottage industry online environment. The upside of Sandvox however, is compelling. Any change to make to a key element of your site, such as a header or a footer, for example, is instantly updated across your entire site. You can change to a different template design, and your whole site changes to the new design. It's similar in concept to RapidWeaver or iWeb in that regard, but with clear advantages over both, IMHO. Flux, OTOH, is much more of a coder's playground. Sandvox required almost no technical knowledge whatsoever, whereas with Flux, the more you understand CSS, HTML and Javascript, the easier and clearer it becomes. Sandvox does allow a limited amount of html coding, and there are tools available which allow you to modify the background CSS, but this tends to defeat the simplicity of the application. Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer Perth, Western Australia Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948 Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Re: Flux Web Design Tool - what about Freeway?
And while we're talking web design tools for Mac, does anyone use Freeway Pro from Softpress? I dabbled with it some years ago and I' d be interested in opinions comparing it with current programs. Cheers Mike Mike Murray and Lesley Silvester TimeTrackers East Fremantle Western Australia Tel 08 9339 8078 Fax 08 9339 0519 British and Australian genealogical and historical research, education, publishing and film-making www.timetrackers.com.au On 17/01/2012, at 7:55 AM, Peter Hinchliffe wrote: On 16/01/2012, at 9:30 AM, James / Hans Kunz wrote: just out of interest... how is sandvox classified as web/html editor? James Sandvox is a completely different animal from Flux. While an excellent product in its own right, Sandvox is far more limiting if you are used to doing a lot of hand coding and tweaking. It's a bit like comparing Bento with Filemaker Pro. Sandvox relies heavily on ready-made templates, and any modifications you make are tightly confined within the constraints of those templates, which mean that you do not have complete freedom on where particular elements might appear on the page. The secret to using Sandvox is in discovering the right template for your concept, and fortunately there is a huge variety to choose from, either built in to the software (over 50 come with the application) or purchased from a a small but healthy cottage industry online environment. The upside of Sandvox however, is compelling. Any change to make to a key element of your site, such as a header or a footer, for example, is instantly updated across your entire site. You can change to a different template design, and your whole site changes to the new design. It's similar in concept to RapidWeaver or iWeb in that regard, but with clear advantages over both, IMHO. Flux, OTOH, is much more of a coder's playground. Sandvox required almost no technical knowledge whatsoever, whereas with Flux, the more you understand CSS, HTML and Javascript, the easier and clearer it becomes. Sandvox does allow a limited amount of html coding, and there are tools available which allow you to modify the background CSS, but this tends to defeat the simplicity of the application. Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer Perth, Western Australia Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948 Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Re: Flux Web Design Took
On 14/01/2012, at 3:57 PM, Merv Bond wrote: MacUpdate is offering this tool at a discount. I currently use PageSpinner to create web pages. Has anyone used Flux and would care to comment. Perhaps you may not have used it but know some one who has and can pass on their opinion. The offer only lasts for a little over 24 hours. Merv I think Flux is an excellent application, at the top of the tree. For my money, it is better in many ways than Dreamweaver, which for years has been overpriced and bloated, and is still based on 20th century ideas. Flux depends completely on CSS for its design techniques, and has full support for all modern technologies, especially HTML5, jQuery, and many others. Like Dreamweaver, it produces very clean code, and does not modify your original code. The main caveat with Flux is that it is such a departure from more conventional WYSIWYG Web Page designers that it does take quite a bit of getting used to, but once you get used to it it becomes a pleasure to use. Flux receives very regular updates from its developers, and is becoming highly regarded in the development community, even though it doesn't seem to get the same publicity that other software gets. I would definitely take advantage of the discount. Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer Perth, Western Australia Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948 Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Re: Flux Web Design Took
just out of interest... how is sandvox classified as web/html editor? James SAD Technic U3 6 Chalkley Pl Bayswater WA Australia +618 9370 5307 mob 0414 421132 (international +614 14421132) sad...@iinet.net.au http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~saddas/ Patience and perseverance have a magical effect before which difficulties disappear and obstacles vanish. On 16/01/2012, at 8:37 AM, Peter Hinchliffe wrote: On 14/01/2012, at 3:57 PM, Merv Bond wrote: MacUpdate is offering this tool at a discount. I currently use PageSpinner to create web pages. Has anyone used Flux and would care to comment. Perhaps you may not have used it but know some one who has and can pass on their opinion. The offer only lasts for a little over 24 hours. Merv I think Flux is an excellent application, at the top of the tree. For my money, it is better in many ways than Dreamweaver, which for years has been overpriced and bloated, and is still based on 20th century ideas. Flux depends completely on CSS for its design techniques, and has full support for all modern technologies, especially HTML5, jQuery, and many others. Like Dreamweaver, it produces very clean code, and does not modify your original code. The main caveat with Flux is that it is such a departure from more conventional WYSIWYG Web Page designers that it does take quite a bit of getting used to, but once you get used to it it becomes a pleasure to use. Flux receives very regular updates from its developers, and is becoming highly regarded in the development community, even though it doesn't seem to get the same publicity that other software gets. I would definitely take advantage of the discount. Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer Perth, Western Australia Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948 Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Re: Flux Web Design Took
Hi James Check out this site for a comparison with Flux and RapidWeaver. Merv http://mac.appstorm.net/roundups/internet-roundup/building-your-own-website-sandvox-rapidweaver-or-flux/ On 16/01/12 9:30 AM, James / Hans Kunz wrote: just out of interest... how is sandvox classified as web/html editor? James SAD Technic U3 6 Chalkley Pl Bayswater WA Australia +618 9370 5307 mob 0414 421132 (international +614 14421132) sad...@iinet.net.au http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~saddas/ Patience and perseverance have a magical effect before which difficulties disappear and obstacles vanish. On 16/01/2012, at 8:37 AM, Peter Hinchliffe wrote: On 14/01/2012, at 3:57 PM, Merv Bond wrote: MacUpdate is offering this tool at a discount. I currently use PageSpinner to create web pages. Has anyone used Flux and would care to comment. Perhaps you may not have used it but know some one who has and can pass on their opinion. The offer only lasts for a little over 24 hours. Merv I think Flux is an excellent application, at the top of the tree. For my money, it is better in many ways than Dreamweaver, which for years has been overpriced and bloated, and is still based on 20th century ideas. Flux depends completely on CSS for its design techniques, and has full support for all modern technologies, especially HTML5, jQuery, and many others. Like Dreamweaver, it produces very clean code, and does not modify your original code. The main caveat with Flux is that it is such a departure from more conventional WYSIWYG Web Page designers that it does take quite a bit of getting used to, but once you get used to it it becomes a pleasure to use. Flux receives very regular updates from its developers, and is becoming highly regarded in the development community, even though it doesn't seem to get the same publicity that other software gets. I would definitely take advantage of the discount. Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer Perth, Western Australia Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948 Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives -http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines -http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe -http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives -http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines -http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe -http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The whole psychology of modern disquiet is linked with the sudden confrontation with space-time. (Teilhard de Chardin, 'The Phenomenon of Man') -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Re: Flux Web Design Took
James I'm not an authority on html but I use Sandvox 2.2.4 to produce our GMUG website (although it needs a bit of updating to come in next few weeks). Have a look at http.www.gmug.org.au The code for the map in the sidebar was inserted using Sandvox's Insert Raw HTML tool, and supports html5. The latest version of Sandvox now has a map insertion tool, but the one on the site was written by GMUGger Steven Tan when I was using an earlier version. Regards Reg Reg Whitely Home: 08 9921 7272 Mob: 04 8899 7313 Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net On 16/01/2012, at 9:30 am, James / Hans Kunz wrote: just out of interest... how is sandvox classified as web/html editor? James SAD Technic U3 6 Chalkley Pl Bayswater WA Australia +618 9370 5307 mob 0414 421132 (international +614 14421132) sad...@iinet.net.au http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~saddas/ Patience and perseverance have a magical effect before which difficulties disappear and obstacles vanish. On 16/01/2012, at 8:37 AM, Peter Hinchliffe wrote: On 14/01/2012, at 3:57 PM, Merv Bond wrote: MacUpdate is offering this tool at a discount. I currently use PageSpinner to create web pages. Has anyone used Flux and would care to comment. Perhaps you may not have used it but know some one who has and can pass on their opinion. The offer only lasts for a little over 24 hours. Merv I think Flux is an excellent application, at the top of the tree. For my money, it is better in many ways than Dreamweaver, which for years has been overpriced and bloated, and is still based on 20th century ideas. Flux depends completely on CSS for its design techniques, and has full support for all modern technologies, especially HTML5, jQuery, and many others. Like Dreamweaver, it produces very clean code, and does not modify your original code. The main caveat with Flux is that it is such a departure from more conventional WYSIWYG Web Page designers that it does take quite a bit of getting used to, but once you get used to it it becomes a pleasure to use. Flux receives very regular updates from its developers, and is becoming highly regarded in the development community, even though it doesn't seem to get the same publicity that other software gets. I would definitely take advantage of the discount. Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer Perth, Western Australia Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948 Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Re: Flux Web Design Took
Try http://www.gmug.org.au Reg Reg Whitely Home: 08 9921 7272 Mob: 04 8899 7313 Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net On 16/01/2012, at 12:26 pm, Reg Whitely wrote: James I'm not an authority on html but I use Sandvox 2.2.4 to produce our GMUG website (although it needs a bit of updating to come in next few weeks). Have a look at http.www.gmug.org.au The code for the map in the sidebar was inserted using Sandvox's Insert Raw HTML tool, and supports html5. The latest version of Sandvox now has a map insertion tool, but the one on the site was written by GMUGger Steven Tan when I was using an earlier version. Regards Reg Reg Whitely Home: 08 9921 7272 Mob: 04 8899 7313 Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net On 16/01/2012, at 9:30 am, James / Hans Kunz wrote: just out of interest... how is sandvox classified as web/html editor? James SAD Technic U3 6 Chalkley Pl Bayswater WA Australia +618 9370 5307 mob 0414 421132 (international +614 14421132) sad...@iinet.net.au http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~saddas/ Patience and perseverance have a magical effect before which difficulties disappear and obstacles vanish. On 16/01/2012, at 8:37 AM, Peter Hinchliffe wrote: On 14/01/2012, at 3:57 PM, Merv Bond wrote: MacUpdate is offering this tool at a discount. I currently use PageSpinner to create web pages. Has anyone used Flux and would care to comment. Perhaps you may not have used it but know some one who has and can pass on their opinion. The offer only lasts for a little over 24 hours. Merv I think Flux is an excellent application, at the top of the tree. For my money, it is better in many ways than Dreamweaver, which for years has been overpriced and bloated, and is still based on 20th century ideas. Flux depends completely on CSS for its design techniques, and has full support for all modern technologies, especially HTML5, jQuery, and many others. Like Dreamweaver, it produces very clean code, and does not modify your original code. The main caveat with Flux is that it is such a departure from more conventional WYSIWYG Web Page designers that it does take quite a bit of getting used to, but once you get used to it it becomes a pleasure to use. Flux receives very regular updates from its developers, and is becoming highly regarded in the development community, even though it doesn't seem to get the same publicity that other software gets. I would definitely take advantage of the discount. Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer Perth, Western Australia Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948 Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Flux Web Design Took
MacUpdate is offering this tool at a discount. I currently use PageSpinner to create web pages. Has anyone used Flux and would care to comment. Perhaps you may not have used it but know some one who has and can pass on their opinion. The offer only lasts for a little over 24 hours. Merv http://www.mupromo.com/deal/1731/10779/flux -- The whole psychology of modern disquiet is linked with the sudden confrontation with space-time. (Teilhard de Chardin, 'The Phenomenon of Man') -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Re: Web design
You might also explore WordPress.com - this allows you to set up a fully hosted WordPress website within minutes. The feature set is substantial - keep in mind WordPress can be used for web pages as well as blog posts, so you can create a very wide range of websites with it. A subdomain based site is free, or you can pay $10/yr to map your own domain name. http://en.wordpress.com/features/ If you would like to get control overall all aspects of your site, you can download WordPress from WordPress.org. Although you are back to having to arrange your own hosting. WordPress is very popular, so there are many resources to guide you. As it is open source and free, it suits most budgets. Glenn Nicholas OM4 :: On 12 May 2011 08:29, Peter Hinchliffe hinch...@multiline.com.au wrote: On 11/05/2011, at 3:50 PM, Pedro wrote: Afternoon all Could all the web guru's out there please comment on the difference and benefits of Sandvox over iWeb. I know Peter H will have a strong opinion on this one as I remember he gave a great presentation awhile back at one of the monthly meetings. I love the simplicity of iWeb but I understand it bloats out the web site if you are not careful MacUpdate are having a promo at the moment and Sandvox is 35% off My 5c worth (as predicted :-) ) My biggest complaint against iWeb, while it's a delight to use and extremely flexible, is its complete lack of support for forms. This simply takes it out of the picture for most business purposes where you're looking for any form of customer feedback, etc. I do like Sandvox, but also recommend it with some reservations. Version 2 (just released yesterday) brings some badly needed improvements (such resizable graphics!), but still lacks the complete design freedom provided by iWeb. On the other hand, it does allow HTML code injection, which allows you to modify the HTML code in selected parts of the page, something else that iWeb does not allow. You are pretty much constrained in your design by the template you chose to work with, which is one of its frustrations, although things have improved slightly with version 2 (which I'm still coming to grips with). Sandvox's greatest strength is the speed it provides in allowing you to set up a reasonably complex site, complete with forms, interactivity with a range of services such as Facebook, a blog if you want it, rich media pages, etc, without knowing a line of code. It is quite adequate for setting up a useful commercial site. It's no Dreamweaver, but then those looking at iWeb or Sandvox (or RapidWeaver and others of the same ilk) are not looking for a Dreamweaver substitute. For those who are looking for something with that sort of power (but MUCH cheaper and more modern), I strongly recommend having a look a Flux from The Escapers (www.theescapers.com/flux). Peter Hinchliffe Apwin Computer Services FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer Perth, Western Australia Phone (618) 9332 6482 Mob 0403 046 948 Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Web design
Afternoon allCould all the web guru's out there please comment on the difference and benefits of Sandvox over iWeb. I know Peter H will have a strongopinion on this one as I remember he gave a great presentation awhile back at one of the monthly meetings.I love the simplicity of iWeb but I understand it bloats out the web site if you are not carefulMacUpdate are having a promo at the moment and Sandvox is 35% offcheersPedro 15" MacBookPro 2.66 GHzCore i74GB/1067 MHz 500GBOS X 10.6.7 Snow Leopard --TheWAMacintoshUserGroupMailingList-- Archives-http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines-http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe-mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Web design
i bought sandvox, will see how it works, $50.- is not bad for what can be done, i worked with the older demo version to get a feel of it James SAD Technic U3 6 Chalkley Pl Bayswater WA Australia +618 9370 5307 mob 0414 421132 (international +614 14421132) sad...@iinet.net.au http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~saddas/ Patience and perseverance have a magical effect before which difficulties disappear and obstacles vanish. On 11/05/2011, at 3:50 PM, Pedro wrote: Afternoon all Could all the web guru's out there please comment on the difference and benefits of Sandvox over iWeb. I know Peter H will have a strong opinion on this one as I remember he gave a great presentation awhile back at one of the monthly meetings. I love the simplicity of iWeb but I understand it bloats out the web site if you are not careful MacUpdate are having a promo at the moment and Sandvox is 35% off cheers Pedro 15 MacBookPro 2.66 GHz Core i7 4 GB/1067 MHz 500GB OS X 10.6.7 Snow Leopard Screen-shot-2009-11-25-at-10.46.07-AM.jpg -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Web design
On 11/05/2011, at 3:50 PM, Pedro wrote: Afternoon all Could all the web guru's out there please comment on the difference and benefits of Sandvox over iWeb. I know Peter H will have a strong opinion on this one as I remember he gave a great presentation awhile back at one of the monthly meetings. I love the simplicity of iWeb but I understand it bloats out the web site if you are not careful MacUpdate are having a promo at the moment and Sandvox is 35% off My 5c worth (as predicted :-) ) My biggest complaint against iWeb, while it's a delight to use and extremely flexible, is its complete lack of support for forms. This simply takes it out of the picture for most business purposes where you're looking for any form of customer feedback, etc. I do like Sandvox, but also recommend it with some reservations. Version 2 (just released yesterday) brings some badly needed improvements (such resizable graphics!), but still lacks the complete design freedom provided by iWeb. On the other hand, it does allow HTML code injection, which allows you to modify the HTML code in selected parts of the page, something else that iWeb does not allow. You are pretty much constrained in your design by the template you chose to work with, which is one of its frustrations, although things have improved slightly with version 2 (which I'm still coming to grips with). Sandvox's greatest strength is the speed it provides in allowing you to set up a reasonably complex site, complete with forms, interactivity with a range of services such as Facebook, a blog if you want it, rich media pages, etc, without knowing a line of code. It is quite adequate for setting up a useful commercial site. It's no Dreamweaver, but then those looking at iWeb or Sandvox (or RapidWeaver and others of the same ilk) are not looking for a Dreamweaver substitute. For those who are looking for something with that sort of power (but MUCH cheaper and more modern), I strongly recommend having a look a Flux from The Escapers (www.theescapers.com/flux). Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer Perth, Western Australia Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948 Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Screen Resolutionsand Web Design
Hi everyone, I am a graphic/web designer, I use a PC at work and a Mac at home. I have a pretty high end PC at work, and a 4 year old G4 at home. The monitor I bought with my Mac for years ago is very high resolution, compared to my current PC monitor. I was wondering if anyone can give me a rough idea of the average resolution for new Mac monitors? I hate websites that aren't Mac friendly, I find the colours change between my PC and Mac, so I can generally fix it up, but at the moment I have pretty much no idea what size I should be making my websites to find a happy medium. I can only assume that in the four years since I've bought my monitor, a very bulky, 17 inch Apple thing, that they're selling much higher res screens. I have no idea what the iMacs and eMacs come with, and nobody else I know uses Mac. Any suggestions would be great. Cheers, Kelly
Re: Screen Resolutionsand Web Design
Kelly Duffy wrote: I was wondering if anyone can give me a rough idea of the average resolution for new Mac monitors? I hate websites that aren't Mac friendly, I find the colours change between my PC and Mac, so I can generally fix it up, but at the moment I have pretty much no idea what size I should be making my websites to find a happy medium. This is going to likely sound like a cop-out, but you should really consider the implications of what you are asking. The whole point of the web is to be a common distribution environment for information. The places were that information is distributed is as varied as it gets: * different connection speeds * audio and Braille screen readers * mobile phone browsers * pda browsers * text-only browsers * screen resolution varying from 160x160 to 1600x1200 and others * paper vs. screen The above just name a few of the things you'll come across and I've not even touched on compatibility between browsers. So, the question you are asking is the wrong question in my professional opinion. The real question is: How do I design a web-page that will render appropriately in the environment in which it is presented? The answer used to be, create graphics, tables, single pixel lines, set widths, set font-sizes, etc. The answer today is, separate out the content from the display. Make very simple HTML pages and apply style sheets to them. I find great success in thinking of a page as chunks of data and semantically wrap each element into a div, so you can later refer to that div class within the style-sheet and change the layout completely. A great example of this is a very simple page, called the http://www.csszengarden.com/, which has hundreds of different style-sheets attached that show different views of the same information. I suggest that you should also visit http://www.alistapart.com/ to learn about how style-sheets really work. So, how big should I make it is not really what this medium is about any more. Kind regards, -- Onno Benschop Connected via Optus B3 at S25°34'41 - E152°35'34 (Graham's Creek, QLD) -- ()/)/)()..ASCII for Onno.. |?..EBCDIC for Onno.. --- -. -. --- ..Morse for Onno.. Proudly supported by Skipper Trucks, Highway1, Concept AV, Sony Central, Dalcon ITmaze - ABN: 56 178 057 063 - ph: 04 1219 - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Screen Resolutionsand Web Design
The resolution is dependent on what kind of monitors you are running. The 20 LCD (Apple brand) has a max resolution of 1680 x 1050 pixels, 17 iMac has a max resolution of 1440x900 and the iBook only supports up to 1024x768. Most monitors nowadays should support at least 1024x768, but you can still find people using 800x600 resolutions around. If you design a site with 800x600 screen in mind, you generally cover MOST computer users (Macs included). You can also make your site's layout to be flexible enough to accommodate different screen resolutions, and that probably is the best way to go. To test your web site on different screen resolution (without having to buy another monitor!), you can change the resolution in (Systems Preferences Displays) and see how it looks. Another way is to download a Web developer plugin for Firefox that allows you to adjust the Firefox browser window to a specific size (like 800x600) and you can see if your site is still workable in that size. https://addons.update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefoxid=60 There is no perfect in web design (unlike print design where you can control the output), you can only make your site as accessible as possible to your intended target audience. Steven On Thursday, April 28, 2005, at 09:14AM, Kelly Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I am a graphic/web designer, I use a PC at work and a Mac at home. I have a pretty high end PC at work, and a 4 year old G4 at home. The monitor I bought with my Mac for years ago is very high resolution, compared to my current PC monitor. I was wondering if anyone can give me a rough idea of the average resolution for new Mac monitors? I hate websites that aren't Mac friendly, I find the colours change between my PC and Mac, so I can generally fix it up, but at the moment I have pretty much no idea what size I should be making my websites to find a happy medium. I can only assume that in the four years since I've bought my monitor, a very bulky, 17 inch Apple thing, that they're selling much higher res screens. I have no idea what the iMacs and eMacs come with, and nobody else I know uses Mac. Any suggestions would be great. Cheers, Kelly -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro
Re: Screen Resolutionsand Web Design
Sorry, I should have specified a bit more. My real issue at the moment is monitor size only. I'm by no means a web programmer, my clients have very basic sites, and CSS isn't really an option. I am currently playing around with it, and I love the examples at www.csszengarden.com however I'm not the only person in the company and the main other designer doesn't know CSS and has no desire to learn it so I'm not able to make use of it except for on a personal level. I'm not worried about mobile phones and PDAs for most of the people who'd be accessing our sites, they're just made for an average home user, some specifically targeting the elderly and not particularly technologically knowledgable, or for specific clients to access form work. Browser compatibility isn't an issue wither, we use very basic things, we don't go into Flash, secure sites for online payments, or anything else other than pretty basic HTML. I check them on the basic browsers for PC and Mac, Internet Explorer, Netscape, Safari, Mozilla and a couple of others. Because our sites are so basic connection speed isn't an issue anyway, I am on dial-up at home, it's slow, but it means I can check them, and if I'm not happy with it the site's not suitable for a good portion of our users. Overall I agree with you, which is why I'm playing around with CSS at the moment, it's definately the way to go with most web development, but it's not really an option for us at the moment. Thanks for the other link though, it will be really helpful for me, I hate code myself but since it's something I need to get used to an explanation of how it works will make it all a lot easier to understand. There's also a lot of other info there I could really use. It's unfortunate that making things look pretty just isn't enough for me to do my job properly anymore! Thanks again, Kelly On 4/28/05, Onno Benschop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelly Duffy wrote: I was wondering if anyone can give me a rough idea of the average resolution for new Mac monitors? I hate websites that aren't Mac friendly, I find the colours change between my PC and Mac, so I can generally fix it up, but at the moment I have pretty much no idea what size I should be making my websites to find a happy medium. This is going to likely sound like a cop-out, but you should really consider the implications of what you are asking. The whole point of the web is to be a common distribution environment for information. The places were that information is distributed is as varied as it gets: * different connection speeds * audio and Braille screen readers * mobile phone browsers * pda browsers * text-only browsers * screen resolution varying from 160x160 to 1600x1200 and others * paper vs. screen The above just name a few of the things you'll come across and I've not even touched on compatibility between browsers. So, the question you are asking is the wrong question in my professional opinion. The real question is: How do I design a web-page that will render appropriately in the environment in which it is presented? The answer used to be, create graphics, tables, single pixel lines, set widths, set font-sizes, etc. The answer today is, separate out the content from the display. Make very simple HTML pages and apply style sheets to them. I find great success in thinking of a page as chunks of data and semantically wrap each element into a div, so you can later refer to that div class within the style-sheet and change the layout completely. A great example of this is a very simple page, called the http://www.csszengarden.com/, which has hundreds of different style-sheets attached that show different views of the same information. I suggest that you should also visit http://www.alistapart.com/ to learn about how style-sheets really work. So, how big should I make it is not really what this medium is about any more. Kind regards, -- Onno Benschop Connected via Optus B3 at S25°34'41 - E152°35'34 (Graham's Creek, QLD) -- ()/)/)()..ASCII for Onno.. |?..EBCDIC for Onno.. --- -. -. --- ..Morse for Onno.. Proudly supported by Skipper Trucks, Highway1, Concept AV, Sony Central, Dalcon ITmaze - ABN: 56 178 057 063 - ph: 04 1219 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro
Re: Screen Resolutionsand Web Design
Thanks very much for that. I'll definately try the Firefox plugin you suggested. That should make life a fair bit easier. Kind regards, Kelly On 4/28/05, Steven Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The resolution is dependent on what kind of monitors you are running. The 20 LCD (Apple brand) has a max resolution of 1680 x 1050 pixels, 17 iMac has a max resolution of 1440x900 and the iBook only supports up to 1024x768. Most monitors nowadays should support at least 1024x768, but you can still find people using 800x600 resolutions around. If you design a site with 800x600 screen in mind, you generally cover MOST computer users (Macs included). You can also make your site's layout to be flexible enough to accommodate different screen resolutions, and that probably is the best way to go. To test your web site on different screen resolution (without having to buy another monitor!), you can change the resolution in (Systems Preferences Displays) and see how it looks. Another way is to download a Web developer plugin for Firefox that allows you to adjust the Firefox browser window to a specific size (like 800x600) and you can see if your site is still workable in that size. https://addons.update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefoxid=60 There is no perfect in web design (unlike print design where you can control the output), you can only make your site as accessible as possible to your intended target audience. Steven On Thursday, April 28, 2005, at 09:14AM, Kelly Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I am a graphic/web designer, I use a PC at work and a Mac at home. I have a pretty high end PC at work, and a 4 year old G4 at home. The monitor I bought with my Mac for years ago is very high resolution, compared to my current PC monitor. I was wondering if anyone can give me a rough idea of the average resolution for new Mac monitors? I hate websites that aren't Mac friendly, I find the colours change between my PC and Mac, so I can generally fix it up, but at the moment I have pretty much no idea what size I should be making my websites to find a happy medium. I can only assume that in the four years since I've bought my monitor, a very bulky, 17 inch Apple thing, that they're selling much higher res screens. I have no idea what the iMacs and eMacs come with, and nobody else I know uses Mac. Any suggestions would be great. Cheers, Kelly -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro
Re: Screen Resolutionsand Web Design
I agree on what Onno suggested. Web design nowadays is much more than creating layouts to fit into one device/screen. It's about presenting information to any devices that is Internet-enabled. (and that includes the Internet fridge!!) HTML/CSS is definitely the future to go for web designers, because it allows you to create different presentational structure (using CSS) for the same type of content (using HTML). You can create different stylesheets for normal browsers, for printing, and for small screen devices, attach them to the same HTML code and when a device loads the content, it will load the appropriate stylesheet for it and if it can't display properly, you can disable the stylesheet and your content is still viewable/assessible in simple HTML. In web design speak, we call it Graceful Degradation. You will still need to test your site in different resolutions and ESPECIALLY different browsers (and devices if possible). Things to keep in mind: - IE support of CSS is inconsistent and also wrong in some cases (box model layout). But there is a hack or a way around it. http://www.tantek.com/CSS/Examples/boxmodelhack.html - Netscape 4 does not display CSS positioning at all, and in some extreme cases, actually crash the application. Some more sites I recommend to visit: http://www.stopdesign.com http://www.stunicholls.myby.co.uk http://www.mezzoblue.com/zengarden/resources/ (from the creator of CSS zen garden) Hope this helps! Steven On Thursday, April 28, 2005, at 09:51AM, Onno Benschop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is going to likely sound like a cop-out, but you should really consider the implications of what you are asking. The whole point of the web is to be a common distribution environment for information. The places were that information is distributed is as varied as it gets: * different connection speeds * audio and Braille screen readers * mobile phone browsers * pda browsers * text-only browsers * screen resolution varying from 160x160 to 1600x1200 and others * paper vs. screen The above just name a few of the things you'll come across and I've not even touched on compatibility between browsers. So, the question you are asking is the wrong question in my professional opinion. The real question is: How do I design a web-page that will render appropriately in the environment in which it is presented? The answer used to be, create graphics, tables, single pixel lines, set widths, set font-sizes, etc. The answer today is, separate out the content from the display. Make very simple HTML pages and apply style sheets to them. I find great success in thinking of a page as chunks of data and semantically wrap each element into a div, so you can later refer to that div class within the style-sheet and change the layout completely. A great example of this is a very simple page, called the http://www.csszengarden.com/, which has hundreds of different style-sheets attached that show different views of the same information. I suggest that you should also visit http://www.alistapart.com/ to learn about how style-sheets really work. So, how big should I make it is not really what this medium is about any more. Kind regards, -- Onno Benschop Connected via Optus B3 at S25°34'41 - E152°35'34 (Graham's Creek, QLD) -- ()/)/)()..ASCII for Onno.. |?..EBCDIC for Onno.. --- -. -. --- ..Morse for Onno.. Proudly supported by Skipper Trucks, Highway1, Concept AV, Sony Central, Dalcon ITmaze - ABN: 56 178 057 063 - ph: 04 1219 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro
Re: Screen Resolutions and Web Design
Kelly Duffy wrote:
Sorry,
I should have specified a bit more. My real issue at the moment is
monitor size only. I'm by no means a web programmer, my clients have
very basic sites, and CSS isn't really an option. I am currently
playing around with it, and I love the examples at
www.csszengarden.com however I'm not the only person in the company
and the main other designer doesn't know CSS and has no desire to
learn it so I'm not able to make use of it except for on a personal
level.
I'm not worried about mobile phones and PDAs for most of the people
who'd be accessing our sites, they're just made for an average home
user, some specifically targeting the elderly and not particularly
technologically knowledgable, or for specific clients to access form
work.
Browser compatibility isn't an issue wither, we use very basic things,
we don't go into Flash, secure sites for online payments, or anything
else other than pretty basic HTML. I check them on the basic browsers
for PC and Mac, Internet Explorer, Netscape, Safari, Mozilla and a
couple of others. Because our sites are so basic connection speed
isn't an issue anyway, I am on dial-up at home, it's slow, but it
means I can check them, and if I'm not happy with it the site's not
suitable for a good portion of our users.
Overall I agree with you, which is why I'm playing around with CSS at
the moment, it's definately the way to go with most web development,
but it's not really an option for us at the moment.
Thanks for the other link though, it will be really helpful for me, I
hate code myself but since it's something I need to get used to an
explanation of how it works will make it all a lot easier to
understand. There's also a lot of other info there I could really use.
It's unfortunate that making things look pretty just isn't enough for
me to do my job properly anymore!
Uhm, your message displays a warped view of what is required or what is
hard to complete. The concept that has been completely buried in the
style-sheet - HTML - make it look pretty rubbish that has been going
since tables were invented more than 10 years ago.
My point is this:
Precisely because it is so simple to use style-sheets and because it
gives you all the great things in terms of compatibility,
scalability, and interoperation, it makes no sense at all to use
anything else.
I don't want to turn this into a training session on how to do this, but
your argument against style-sheets just don't stack up in my opinion. I
don't know if you were around when the web was invented, but at the time
we had HTML documents that used h1 tags, ul and a few hr to make
the text readable.
Today, you can use that *same* HTML and make it look pretty, by
attaching a style-sheet to it and *you get all the rest for free*, just
by doing it that way.
Ok, I give in, because I suspect it is fear of the unknown that leads
you down the wrong path. Let us consider the following simple web-page:
[which to the observant isn't entirely complete]
html
head
titleMy Story/title
/head
body
div class=table_of_content
ul
lia href=#chap1Chapter 1/a/li
lia href=#chap2Chapter 2/a/li
/ul
/div
div class=chapter
a name=chap1/a
div class=titleThis is Chapter 1 of my Story/div
div class=story_text
pThis is a little story with some text in it./p
/div
/div
div class=chapter
a name=chap2/a
div class=titleThis is Chapter 2 of my Story/div
div class=story_text
pThis is a another little story with some different text in it./p
/div
/div
/body
/html
When you stick this in a text file and save it as story.html, then open
it up in a web-browser it looks pretty un-appealing:
* Chapter 1
* Chapter 2
This is Chapter 1 of my Story
This is a little story with some text in it.
This is Chapter 2 of my Story
This is a another little story with some different text in it.
The point of this is that you now have a structured piece of information
that you can now format and make pretty. For example, you could make the
chapter headings look like a heading by adding the following style in
between the head tags:
style type=text/css!--
.title {
font-weight:bold;
color:red;
}
--/style
You could indent the body of each chapter with this:
.story_text {
margin: 0 10em;
}
And you could make the layout use two columns with this:
.chapter {
float:left ;
}
What I'm saying is that while you can get all excited about using your
favourite HTML editor, most of the time they generate crap that is good
for nothing and gets in the way of actually presenting the information.
The concept that you're alone in your company and that you cannot change
your environment also doesn't wash with me, because the above loads
faster, is simpler to create, runs on more
Re: Screen Resolutions and Web Design
If you did run a course for a small group of people on this, and for complete beginners, because I'm about as beginner as you can get, I have a very basic understanding of HTML, I use GoLive or Dreamweaver for work, I'd pay to participate, and, if I could get a reciept, it's tax deductable! It would have to be a group thing though, because I'm on a very low income I can't afford one on one tuition. So if you do think it's worthwhile, and you can get some others interested, as long as it's an evening or weekend timeframe, I'd be very interested. I'm not entirely reluctant to learn CSS, but at the same time I can't make full use of it (as far as I know) on all our sites because the other designer I work with, who's been here much longer than I have, doesn't want to learn it too. So let me know if you decide to run a crash course on it for a few people, I'd definately be interested. Kind regards, Kelly On 4/28/05, Onno Benschop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelly Duffy wrote: Sorry, I should have specified a bit more. My real issue at the moment is monitor size only. I'm by no means a web programmer, my clients have very basic sites, and CSS isn't really an option. I am currently playing around with it, and I love the examples at www.csszengarden.com however I'm not the only person in the company and the main other designer doesn't know CSS and has no desire to learn it so I'm not able to make use of it except for on a personal level. I'm not worried about mobile phones and PDAs for most of the people who'd be accessing our sites, they're just made for an average home user, some specifically targeting the elderly and not particularly technologically knowledgable, or for specific clients to access form work. Browser compatibility isn't an issue wither, we use very basic things, we don't go into Flash, secure sites for online payments, or anything else other than pretty basic HTML. I check them on the basic browsers for PC and Mac, Internet Explorer, Netscape, Safari, Mozilla and a couple of others. Because our sites are so basic connection speed isn't an issue anyway, I am on dial-up at home, it's slow, but it means I can check them, and if I'm not happy with it the site's not suitable for a good portion of our users. Overall I agree with you, which is why I'm playing around with CSS at the moment, it's definately the way to go with most web development, but it's not really an option for us at the moment. Thanks for the other link though, it will be really helpful for me, I hate code myself but since it's something I need to get used to an explanation of how it works will make it all a lot easier to understand. There's also a lot of other info there I could really use. It's unfortunate that making things look pretty just isn't enough for me to do my job properly anymore! Uhm, your message displays a warped view of what is required or what is hard to complete. The concept that has been completely buried in the style-sheet - HTML - make it look pretty rubbish that has been going since tables were invented more than 10 years ago. My point is this: Precisely because it is so simple to use style-sheets and because it gives you all the great things in terms of compatibility, scalability, and interoperation, it makes no sense at all to use anything else. I don't want to turn this into a training session on how to do this, but your argument against style-sheets just don't stack up in my opinion. I don't know if you were around when the web was invented, but at the time we had HTML documents that used h1 tags, ul and a few hr to make the text readable. Today, you can use that *same* HTML and make it look pretty, by attaching a style-sheet to it and *you get all the rest for free*, just by doing it that way. Ok, I give in, because I suspect it is fear of the unknown that leads you down the wrong path. Let us consider the following simple web-page: [which to the observant isn't entirely complete] html head titleMy Story/title /head body div class=table_of_content ul lia href=#chap1Chapter 1/a/li lia href=#chap2Chapter 2/a/li /ul /div div class=chapter a name=chap1/a div class=titleThis is Chapter 1 of my Story/div div class=story_text pThis is a little story with some text in it./p /div /div div class=chapter a name=chap2/a div class=titleThis is Chapter 2 of my Story/div div class=story_text pThis is a another little story with some different text in it./p /div /div /body /html When you stick this in a text file and save it as story.html, then open it up in a web-browser it looks pretty un-appealing: * Chapter 1 * Chapter 2 This is Chapter 1 of my Story This is a little story with some text in it. This is Chapter 2 of my Story
Re: Screen Resolutionsand Web Design
On Thu, 2005-04-28 at 10:17 +0800, Shay Telfer wrote: I'm not worried about mobile phones and PDAs for most of the people who'd be accessing our sites, they're just made for an average home user, some specifically targeting the elderly and not particularly technologically knowledgable, or for specific clients to access form work. Wouldn't the elderly be more likely to need assistive devices such as screen or braille readers? They're also more likely to bump the font size up, meaning that any careful screen layout may well be rendered useless. Not just the elderly: - People with visual impairments - People who like to run their 120dpi monitor at 120dpi not 72. I'm firmly in the websites using `px' for text and major page elements are broken; websites using small `pt' sizes are also infuriating camp. -- Craig Ringer
Hiring a Computer With Web Design Software
Hi all, I'm looking to hire a computer off someone with a package like Dream Weaver on it, and if possible Photoshop but that's less important. I'll ony need it for a couple of days, over a weekend preferably. My contract at work has just run out and I want to do a website for a small business that a friend and I are going to run online. I can't afford to buy DreamWeaver or any of the software, so bascally I want to pay someone for the use of their licensed application. It needs to be licensed because it is a for a commercial site and it all needs to be done legitimately and I have personal problems with using pirated/educational software for anything other than educational purposes. If this business venture makes enough money then I'll buy the software I need to start up a small/freelance design business too, but for now the $2000+ set-up cost is way out of my limits. If anyone can hire me their computer, I'll even accept a PC if that's all I can get, I can't afford a whole lot, I don't need any design work done, but I will pay you for the use of your machine. Please reply to me offlist. Thanks, Kelly Duffy Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk
Web Design Applications
Good afternoon everyone, I'm looking for a cheap web design application, either a licensed copy somebody no longer needs and is looking to get rid of really cheap or any recommendations for freeware or shareware. For what I need to do it will take me a long time to create it purely from writing HTML, I'm not particularly good with it. The purpose of it is for a non-profit organisation, the Fauna Rehabilitation Foundation, who I'm working as a volunteer fundraising coordinator/marketing person. For people not familiar with it they care for and release injured, orphaned and sick native wildlife and are working towards breeding programs. Anybody who has an unwanted copy of any useful application and wishes to donate it to a good cause would be most welcome. Although I use a Mac at home they have a PC at the centre so a Windows application would also do the job. I'm not entirely sure how much I can spend on it,I will be purchasing it for them and I am rather short on cash so if anybody has any reasonable offers could they please contact me off list. Anybody who can offer the use of a machine with licenses software for this kind of thing would also be appreciated. I don't know much about how licensing regulations work but if it is legal for me to use somebody else's machine to create the webpage then that would also be a viable option, however the site would need to be updated regularly to keep up with their fundraising events and details of the centre's progress. So anybody who can give me any suggestions for a solution please contact me off the list, I really would appreciate any feedback I could get. Kind regards, Kelly Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[4 sale] web design software
Hi: I have the following for sale as a package for $700 ono: -- Dreamweaver Studio 4 (Flash, Dreamweaver, Freehand, Fireworks) Ed version -- Pagemaker 7.0 full version -- Adobe Illustrator 6 full version Also for sale: Mac OSX with developer's tools -- Available with above for $100 -- Available by itself for $150 I will pay all shipping costs. Please contact me off list. Ta Nathalie -- Nathalie Collins Post Office Box A176 Australind WA 6233 Phone/Fax: (08) 9796 0509 Mobile: 043 989 1997
