[wtr-general] Re: Running 2 cucumber feature file in one web session
On Monday, December 11, 2017 at 1:15:38 AM UTC-8, 江南 wrote: > > Thanks for all your information they are very helpful. > > I do understand the concept of Cucumber. > > I'm working directly with a Developer, I personally have not come up with > this idea but my Developer has asked me about writing the script this way > and I have explained to him about Page Object but I also want to get an > outside opinion just to be a supporting evidence that this is not the way > to use Cucumber. > > So if you are using Feature files as a way to gain understanding of what the product should do, and working with a developer (and hopefuly PO) to create and review feature files, then it sounds like you have at least one other person on the team that knows about BDD and why you want to use tools like Cucumber. As long as some collaboration benefit is accruing, then I would say proceed with Cucumber. If you are the only person that ever looks at a feature file, then there is little benefit to using Cucumber over something like Rspec. (FYI if you and the developer like the idea of using cucumber, but the PO is hesitant, I'd suggest you see if you can get them to have a look at the book 'Specification By Example" The first two chapters can be downloaded from the publisher for free, and do a good job of laying out the benefits of this approach. The 'Page Objects' Pattern is not an alternative to Cucumber, nor something to use instead of Cucumber. Page Objects is an abstraction layer to make it easier to maintain the identifiers of webpage elements in test code that is testing a Web UI. The idea is that if a developer does something like change the UI such that you need to update identifiers, that you just have to do that in one single place, instead of updating 50 scripts or step files. You can use Page Objects in just about any testing framework, be it inside the steps of cucumber tests, or inside test methods in Rspec or another testing library. -- -- Before posting, please read http://watir.com/support. In short: search before you ask, be nice. watir-general@googlegroups.com http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general watir-general+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to watir-general+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[wtr-general] Re: Running 2 cucumber feature file in one web session
Thanks for all your information they are very helpful. I do understand the concept of Cucumber. I'm working directly with a Developer, I personally have not come up with this idea but my Developer has asked me about writing the script this way and I have explained to him about Page Object but I also want to get an outside opinion just to be a supporting evidence that this is not the way to use Cucumber. On Friday, 8 December 2017 17:47:10 UTC, Chuck van der Linden wrote: > > one other thing (see below > > On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 1:54:15 AM UTC-8, 江南 wrote: >> >> Thanks for your suggestion. >> >> I'm testing a website and I have various data to test but I don't want to >> create duplicate steps in different feature files so I want to do is put >> the test steps e.g. Login page in one feature file and Account page in >> another then pull the input data from a spreadsheet. >> I think this way will make easier to maintain the feature file that is >> all. >> >> Dangit, hit send too quickly on prior response. I also meant to add this > regarding spreadsheet use with cucumber. > > If you are working with cucumber but want to pull in data from a > spreadsheet, that is most often a sign that cucumber may not be the right > tool for you.When using cucumber your test data should be defined in > the feature files. There are a number of ways that cucumber supports > this, from steps that can take a table to process, to using scenario > outlines where the scenario is defined with replaceable parameters that are > pulled from a table of 'examples' and the scenario is repeated for each > row in the table. > > Putting test data in a spreadsheet obscures it from view, making it harder > to understand what tests are doing when reading feature files, which > defeats the main purpose (common understanding) of using feature files in > the first place. If 'it doesn't matter because nobody else reads the > feature files' then you should not be using cucumber, use instead rspec and > just code the test steps directly in code, not in a feature file. Then if > you want to have data files in spreadsheets, you can just make use of some > of the common gems for reading and writing common spreadsheet format files. > > Cucumber is a great tool, but it is also primarily a collaboration tool, > not a test tool. Yes testing is a part of what cucumber does, but that is > not its primary purpose. Suggested reading: > https://cucumber.io/blog/2014/03/03/the-worlds-most-misunderstood-collaboration-tool > -- -- Before posting, please read http://watir.com/support. In short: search before you ask, be nice. watir-general@googlegroups.com http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general watir-general+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to watir-general+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[wtr-general] Re: Running 2 cucumber feature file in one web session
one other thing (see below On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 1:54:15 AM UTC-8, 江南 wrote: > > Thanks for your suggestion. > > I'm testing a website and I have various data to test but I don't want to > create duplicate steps in different feature files so I want to do is put > the test steps e.g. Login page in one feature file and Account page in > another then pull the input data from a spreadsheet. > I think this way will make easier to maintain the feature file that is > all. > > Dangit, hit send too quickly on prior response. I also meant to add this regarding spreadsheet use with cucumber. If you are working with cucumber but want to pull in data from a spreadsheet, that is most often a sign that cucumber may not be the right tool for you.When using cucumber your test data should be defined in the feature files. There are a number of ways that cucumber supports this, from steps that can take a table to process, to using scenario outlines where the scenario is defined with replaceable parameters that are pulled from a table of 'examples' and the scenario is repeated for each row in the table. Putting test data in a spreadsheet obscures it from view, making it harder to understand what tests are doing when reading feature files, which defeats the main purpose (common understanding) of using feature files in the first place. If 'it doesn't matter because nobody else reads the feature files' then you should not be using cucumber, use instead rspec and just code the test steps directly in code, not in a feature file. Then if you want to have data files in spreadsheets, you can just make use of some of the common gems for reading and writing common spreadsheet format files. Cucumber is a great tool, but it is also primarily a collaboration tool, not a test tool. Yes testing is a part of what cucumber does, but that is not its primary purpose. Suggested reading: https://cucumber.io/blog/2014/03/03/the-worlds-most-misunderstood-collaboration-tool -- -- Before posting, please read http://watir.com/support. In short: search before you ask, be nice. watir-general@googlegroups.com http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general watir-general+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to watir-general+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[wtr-general] Re: Running 2 cucumber feature file in one web session
On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 1:54:15 AM UTC-8, 江南 wrote: > > Thanks for your suggestion. > > I'm testing a website and I have various data to test but I don't want to > create duplicate steps in different feature files so I want to do is put > the test steps e.g. Login page in one feature file and Account page in > another then pull the input data from a spreadsheet. > I think this way will make easier to maintain the feature file that is > all. > > While well intentioned you are heading in a direction that doesn't work very well.. Also your question seems to tell me you don't understand the basic concepts of how cucumber works (or you are not good at expressing your understanding) By design, steps are re-usable so it is completely normal to see the same steps used in multiple feature files. By design, there is only a single definition for a given step.. you can't have two steps with the same phrasing such as "When I login as " that do different things, that will result in an error. Feature files should be created in a way that documents and describes the operation of the product. Think of it like portions of a book that tells what your product does. Step files, where steps are defined do not have to (and usually should not) parallel your feature files. Rather the most common thing is to group common steps together. For example a login_steps.rb file might have steps to login, self-register a new user, logout, etc. You might have another step file that deals with steps that navigate around your site "when I click the xxx tab" for example For anyone new to Cucumber I strongly recommend reading "the Cucumber Book" it's the best way to gain an understanding of what cucumber is for, and how to best use it most effectively. -- -- Before posting, please read http://watir.com/support. In short: search before you ask, be nice. watir-general@googlegroups.com http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general watir-general+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to watir-general+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[wtr-general] Re: Running 2 cucumber feature file in one web session
Thanks for your suggestion. I'm testing a website and I have various data to test but I don't want to create duplicate steps in different feature files so I want to do is put the test steps e.g. Login page in one feature file and Account page in another then pull the input data from a spreadsheet. I think this way will make easier to maintain the feature file that is all. On Wednesday, 6 December 2017 18:19:09 UTC, Arik Jones wrote: > > You could create a browser session in `features/support/env.rb` and assign > it to an instance variable > and then use that session in your feature files. Its basically a global > hook, but you'll need to end that session properly with an `at_exit` method. > > More info here: > https://github.com/cucumber/cucumber/wiki/Hooks#global-hooks > > Personally I don't recommend running your features that way. Can I ask > why you need to do it this way? > > On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 8:32:35 AM UTC-6, 江南 wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I am using Watir Ruby + Cucumber for my testing. >> >> Can you tell me how to run two feature files in one web session? >> >> Thanks >> > -- -- Before posting, please read http://watir.com/support. In short: search before you ask, be nice. watir-general@googlegroups.com http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general watir-general+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to watir-general+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[wtr-general] Re: Running 2 cucumber feature file in one web session
I've always treated each scenario as its own session. It eliminates some of the complication with session tear-down/cleanup since every session is brand new. The only thing I have to worry about is closing the browser at the end of each of scenario. On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 11:27:01 AM UTC-6, Chuck van der Linden wrote: > > On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 10:19:09 AM UTC-8, Arik Jones wrote: >> >> You could create a browser session in `features/support/env.rb` and >> assign it to an instance variable >> and then use that session in your feature files. Its basically a global >> hook, but you'll need to end that session properly with an `at_exit` method. >> >> More info here: >> https://github.com/cucumber/cucumber/wiki/Hooks#global-hooks >> >> Personally I don't recommend running your features that way. Can I ask >> why you need to do it this way? >> >> On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 8:32:35 AM UTC-6, 江南 wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I am using Watir Ruby + Cucumber for my testing. >>> >>> Can you tell me how to run two feature files in one web session? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >> > That's where (in the env.rb file) I normally create the browser object > when using Cucumber.. > > Performance wise that is highly preferable to creating and destroying a > browser instance for each scenario, which can add quite a bit of overhead > to your tests. You may want a step that clears cookies, or loads a > standard cookie for tests where that can matter, then include that as > needed to simulate a 'clean-start' on the browser when required. > > Unless you want to type out a really long command line with each feature > file specified, using Tags is generally the easiest way I have found to > have cucumber execute multiple scenarios from multiple feature files. > -- -- Before posting, please read http://watir.com/support. In short: search before you ask, be nice. watir-general@googlegroups.com http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general watir-general+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to watir-general+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[wtr-general] Re: Running 2 cucumber feature file in one web session
On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 10:19:09 AM UTC-8, Arik Jones wrote: > > You could create a browser session in `features/support/env.rb` and assign > it to an instance variable > and then use that session in your feature files. Its basically a global > hook, but you'll need to end that session properly with an `at_exit` method. > > More info here: > https://github.com/cucumber/cucumber/wiki/Hooks#global-hooks > > Personally I don't recommend running your features that way. Can I ask > why you need to do it this way? > > On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 8:32:35 AM UTC-6, 江南 wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I am using Watir Ruby + Cucumber for my testing. >> >> Can you tell me how to run two feature files in one web session? >> >> Thanks >> > That's where (in the env.rb file) I normally create the browser object when using Cucumber.. Performance wise that is highly preferable to creating and destroying a browser instance for each scenario, which can add quite a bit of overhead to your tests. You may want a step that clears cookies, or loads a standard cookie for tests where that can matter, then include that as needed to simulate a 'clean-start' on the browser when required. Unless you want to type out a really long command line with each feature file specified, using Tags is generally the easiest way I have found to have cucumber execute multiple scenarios from multiple feature files. -- -- Before posting, please read http://watir.com/support. In short: search before you ask, be nice. watir-general@googlegroups.com http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general watir-general+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to watir-general+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[wtr-general] Re: Running 2 cucumber feature file in one web session
You could create a browser session in `features/support/env.rb` and assign it to an instance variable and then use that session in your feature files. Its basically a global hook, but you'll need to end that session properly with an `at_exit` method. More info here: https://github.com/cucumber/cucumber/wiki/Hooks#global-hooks Personally I don't recommend running your features that way. Can I ask why you need to do it this way? On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 8:32:35 AM UTC-6, 江南 wrote: > > Hi, > > I am using Watir Ruby + Cucumber for my testing. > > Can you tell me how to run two feature files in one web session? > > Thanks > -- -- Before posting, please read http://watir.com/support. In short: search before you ask, be nice. watir-general@googlegroups.com http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general watir-general+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to watir-general+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
