Re: Setting up Wave for client development (my experience setting up on WindowsXP)
Note #2: Should be made clear your need JDK installed, with a link to the Java site. (not just JRE). Note #3: Should be clarified that the ANT command doesn't work in XP just by adding its path to a ANT system variable. The path to ANT has to be added to the already existing PATH system variable. (and it should be just to the bin directory, the \ant at the end shouldn't be there. People can use echo %PATH% to check its added ok. (I will start expanding/changing the guide as soon as I have write permission, although I will post changes first here as well, in case I have got something wrong or its specific to XP and Win7 is treated differently) ~~~ Thomas Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 2 December 2013 02:36, Ali Lown a...@lown.me.uk wrote: For the ant, do I just go for the route (that is the wave directory rather then the wave-protocol one that doesn't exist now? Yes.
Re: Incubation status
Personally, I'd say do anything that helps people work. The release is important in Apache terms, but right now, we're looking at how to have a community at all. A release with no community to back it wouldn't give the world much. So, if folks think that Mavenization helps, and will ease development, then go for it, I say. Upayavira On Mon, Dec 2, 2013, at 01:46 AM, Michael MacFadden wrote: I would still be more than happy to press through the mavenization, but it seemed like people were some what against the idea until we got the release out the door historically. Thoughts? On 12/1/13, 5:37 PM, Frank R. renfeng...@gmail.com wrote: It'll get slim once mavenized. On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 6:06 AM, Angus Turner angusisf...@gmail.com wrote: It is quite a large repo :) Thanks Angus Turner angusisf...@gmail.com On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Thomas Wrobel darkfl...@gmail.com wrote: No problem, at the moment its still checking out. I'll note down any other issues other then those two as I get any. (Actually still on WindowsXP here ;) ) ~~~ Thomas Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 1 December 2013 23:02, Angus Turner angusisf...@gmail.com wrote: Or a wave ;) On a more serious note this is something that needs doing - and something I've been meaning to do for a while. Start with a clean slate on each major OS (Mac OSX, Ubuntu, Win8 and possibly WinXP) and write down exactly what needs doing or what errors come up. If you begin to do this it'd be great to document it somewhere like the wiki.. Thanks Angus Turner angusisf...@gmail.com On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Thomas Wrobel darkfl...@gmail.com wrote: ora wave? ;) It is sort-of on-topic to the earlier discussion as to how to get more activity. But yes, it might be getting too sidetracked. ~~~ Thomas Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 1 December 2013 22:46, Angus Turner angusisf...@gmail.com wrote: A wiki page or a new thread might be better for this - kind of off topic... Thanks Angus Turner angusisf...@gmail.com On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Thomas Wrobel darkfl...@gmail.com wrote: ok, svn checkout; Note #1: Get an Error validating server certificate for https://svn.apache.org:443: Unknown certificate issuer. Fingerprint: bc:5f:40:92:fd:6a:49:aa:f8:b8:35:0d:ed:27:5e:a6:64:c1:7a:1b Thawte, Inc., US I accept once and proceed. (I am just documenting anything that might put people off getting started) ~~~ Thomas Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 1 December 2013 22:26, Thomas Wrobel darkfl...@gmail.com wrote: cheers :) ~~~ Thomas Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 1 December 2013 21:35, Yuri Z vega...@gmail.com wrote: The latest source code: http://incubator.apache.org/wave/source-code.html On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 8:19 PM, Thomas Wrobel darkfl...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 November 2013 16:05, Fleeky Flanco fle...@gmail.com wrote: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WAVE/Building+Wave+in+a+Box https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WAVE/Home also there is #wiab on irc.freenode.net Ok, trying to follow this guide to setup for client development. Stuck #1; Wheres the latest source?
Re: Incubation status
Hi Guys, I don't normally say very much on this list but I keep a keen eye on what is going on, because I have over the last 12/18 months been trying to bring my knowledge of GWT, Java and eclipse up to a point where I can use these tools and potentially use WIAB as part of a project I'm working on. In terms of mavenisation, as a new developer on these tools I find that maven is less than helpful because it hides away the very things I'm trying to understand, for example I'm yet to actually understand how to debug a GWT project using maven as its relies on one of the various WTP projects in the eclipse marketplace, and then I need to put goals in somewhere to debug it which then doesn't give me the http location when running like the standard GWT project does. Also if I don't want to use maven it requires me to pick apart the dependency hierarchy to be able to re-use the component that does, I wouldn't say its beginner friendly. In terms of next objectives I would love to see a wave protocol as I've been in investigating the this for my own project, the OAuth API is a little basic for my requirements and the only other option is to try and use the RPC interface somehow. +1 Just my 2 cents :) Ben On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote: Personally, I'd say do anything that helps people work. The release is important in Apache terms, but right now, we're looking at how to have a community at all. A release with no community to back it wouldn't give the world much. So, if folks think that Mavenization helps, and will ease development, then go for it, I say. Upayavira On Mon, Dec 2, 2013, at 01:46 AM, Michael MacFadden wrote: I would still be more than happy to press through the mavenization, but it seemed like people were some what against the idea until we got the release out the door historically. Thoughts? On 12/1/13, 5:37 PM, Frank R. renfeng...@gmail.com wrote: It'll get slim once mavenized. On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 6:06 AM, Angus Turner angusisf...@gmail.com wrote: It is quite a large repo :) Thanks Angus Turner angusisf...@gmail.com On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Thomas Wrobel darkfl...@gmail.com wrote: No problem, at the moment its still checking out. I'll note down any other issues other then those two as I get any. (Actually still on WindowsXP here ;) ) ~~~ Thomas Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 1 December 2013 23:02, Angus Turner angusisf...@gmail.com wrote: Or a wave ;) On a more serious note this is something that needs doing - and something I've been meaning to do for a while. Start with a clean slate on each major OS (Mac OSX, Ubuntu, Win8 and possibly WinXP) and write down exactly what needs doing or what errors come up. If you begin to do this it'd be great to document it somewhere like the wiki.. Thanks Angus Turner angusisf...@gmail.com On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Thomas Wrobel darkfl...@gmail.com wrote: ora wave? ;) It is sort-of on-topic to the earlier discussion as to how to get more activity. But yes, it might be getting too sidetracked. ~~~ Thomas Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 1 December 2013 22:46, Angus Turner angusisf...@gmail.com wrote: A wiki page or a new thread might be better for this - kind of off topic... Thanks Angus Turner angusisf...@gmail.com On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Thomas Wrobel darkfl...@gmail.com wrote: ok, svn checkout; Note #1: Get an Error validating server certificate for https://svn.apache.org:443: Unknown certificate issuer. Fingerprint: bc:5f:40:92:fd:6a:49:aa:f8:b8:35:0d:ed:27:5e:a6:64:c1:7a:1b Thawte, Inc., US I accept once and proceed. (I am just documenting anything that might put people off getting started) ~~~ Thomas Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 1 December 2013 22:26, Thomas Wrobel darkfl...@gmail.com wrote: cheers :) ~~~ Thomas Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 1 December 2013 21:35, Yuri Z vega...@gmail.com wrote: The latest
Re: Incubation status
Christian, Although I support the incubator's goals, it seems that there is probably a fundamental mismatch between the state of Apache Wave and where and how Wave needs to develop. I am one of the people who had to stand back from Wave a while back. I was enthusiastic about the possibility of Apache acting as a strong framework for Wave, but it seems that it's at the wrong stage of development to benefit from everything that Apache offers. I must also admit that the new Gmail inbox doesn't draw me to forum posts as much as it used to. The community tools of Apache aren't getting my attention, for whatever reason. Wave is trying to define lots of new bits of technology that don't necessarily have a fixed architecture yet or even a place in other fixed architectures. Months later, we're still at a point where we have a body of code that's still largely a specific user client rather than an agile development platform that can enable a wide variety of apps via a common set of communications and data management protocols and standards. Most importantly from my own perspective, it's not moved significantly towards an architecture that could be strongly mobile first with both synchronous and asynchronous publishing. So for me, it's not meeting the goals of what Wave 3.0 could be. At the same time you have initiatives like Motorola's Project Ara for open source mobile hardware development that would be ideal for some of the things that Wave could do in developing nations, as well as open source mobile OS initiatives, so open and mobile as a combination are progressing. I wish that I were still an active coder (sometimes), but I am not, and I am not going to be able to reach my goals without committed coders. But for that commitment, we need more consensus about what Wave should try to be in an increasingly crowded market for collaborative services. From that perspective, Wave seems to need a bit more direction than the Apache framework can manage at this point. There's not a body of code that meets a well defined market objective - that's a profile for success in Apache, it seems, looking at some of the other projects. Open or not, every platform must find a need and fill it. Finally, since commitment seems to be partially a factor of funding, perhaps a more independent project on Github (assuming that there are no remnant Google claims) might make it easier for independent teams to attract funding via crowdsourcing platforms once a more concrete goal has been defined. Once such a project met with some initial success, perhaps there could be a body of code that could be nurtured in the Apache framework at a later time. I am sorry to have dropped out of this loop, but I have had to focus on money-generating opportunities more intently, if I could balance that with Wave a bit more easily then it would be easier to focus, no doubt. But life goes on, and I know that Wave will always go on. If there are team members who feel that I can contribute positively in this transition, feel free to stay in touch. All the best, John Blossom email: jblos...@gmail.com phone: 203.293.8511 google+: google.com/+JohnBlossom On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 5:02 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.comwrote: Hi folks, it seems as the first steam with the new people is gone. I believe it makes sense to discuss if the incubator is the right place. Incubation has a specific goal: forming a team which can do releases and is - in a way - active. I see there is little activity at all. The only person i have seen working on the codebase recently was Ali. He also was the release manager of package which had trouble to receive the necessary votes from its own team. My hope was this would change in the past months. But today I have only little hope. Playing the devils advocate I ask you (again): Do you folks believe the incubator can ever be completed as it is now? If you believe yes, please let me know why or how we can achieve that goal. Otherwise my recommendation is to move Wave to GitHub and close the incubation until the community around Wave has grown. Thoughts? Christian --- http://www.grobmeier.de @grobmeier GPG: 0xA5CC90DB
Re: Setting up Wave for client development (my experience setting up on WindowsXP)
Stuck #3: ANT Buildfile: C:\TomsProjects\wave\build.xml check-test-dependencies: BUILD FAILED C:\TomsProjects\wave\build.xml:259: You need to execute the get-third-party targ et to download dependencies required for tests compilation, i.e. ant get-third-p arty. third_party/test/emma/emma_ant.jar ~~~ Thomas Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 2 December 2013 15:13, Thomas Wrobel darkfl...@gmail.com wrote: Note #2: Should be made clear your need JDK installed, with a link to the Java site. (not just JRE). Note #3: Should be clarified that the ANT command doesn't work in XP just by adding its path to a ANT system variable. The path to ANT has to be added to the already existing PATH system variable. (and it should be just to the bin directory, the \ant at the end shouldn't be there. People can use echo %PATH% to check its added ok. (I will start expanding/changing the guide as soon as I have write permission, although I will post changes first here as well, in case I have got something wrong or its specific to XP and Win7 is treated differently) ~~~ Thomas Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 2 December 2013 02:36, Ali Lown a...@lown.me.uk wrote: For the ant, do I just go for the route (that is the wave directory rather then the wave-protocol one that doesn't exist now? Yes.
Re: Incubation status
But for that commitment, we need more consensus about what Wave should try to be Is there really a lack of consensus here? I think , imho, we have a consensus, just not the skill/time. ~~~ Thomas Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 2 December 2013 16:51, John Blossom jblos...@gmail.com wrote: Christian, Although I support the incubator's goals, it seems that there is probably a fundamental mismatch between the state of Apache Wave and where and how Wave needs to develop. I am one of the people who had to stand back from Wave a while back. I was enthusiastic about the possibility of Apache acting as a strong framework for Wave, but it seems that it's at the wrong stage of development to benefit from everything that Apache offers. I must also admit that the new Gmail inbox doesn't draw me to forum posts as much as it used to. The community tools of Apache aren't getting my attention, for whatever reason. Wave is trying to define lots of new bits of technology that don't necessarily have a fixed architecture yet or even a place in other fixed architectures. Months later, we're still at a point where we have a body of code that's still largely a specific user client rather than an agile development platform that can enable a wide variety of apps via a common set of communications and data management protocols and standards. Most importantly from my own perspective, it's not moved significantly towards an architecture that could be strongly mobile first with both synchronous and asynchronous publishing. So for me, it's not meeting the goals of what Wave 3.0 could be. At the same time you have initiatives like Motorola's Project Ara for open source mobile hardware development that would be ideal for some of the things that Wave could do in developing nations, as well as open source mobile OS initiatives, so open and mobile as a combination are progressing. I wish that I were still an active coder (sometimes), but I am not, and I am not going to be able to reach my goals without committed coders. But for that commitment, we need more consensus about what Wave should try to be in an increasingly crowded market for collaborative services. From that perspective, Wave seems to need a bit more direction than the Apache framework can manage at this point. There's not a body of code that meets a well defined market objective - that's a profile for success in Apache, it seems, looking at some of the other projects. Open or not, every platform must find a need and fill it. Finally, since commitment seems to be partially a factor of funding, perhaps a more independent project on Github (assuming that there are no remnant Google claims) might make it easier for independent teams to attract funding via crowdsourcing platforms once a more concrete goal has been defined. Once such a project met with some initial success, perhaps there could be a body of code that could be nurtured in the Apache framework at a later time. I am sorry to have dropped out of this loop, but I have had to focus on money-generating opportunities more intently, if I could balance that with Wave a bit more easily then it would be easier to focus, no doubt. But life goes on, and I know that Wave will always go on. If there are team members who feel that I can contribute positively in this transition, feel free to stay in touch. All the best, John Blossom email: jblos...@gmail.com phone: 203.293.8511 google+: google.com/+JohnBlossom On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 5:02 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, it seems as the first steam with the new people is gone. I believe it makes sense to discuss if the incubator is the right place. Incubation has a specific goal: forming a team which can do releases and is - in a way - active. I see there is little activity at all. The only person i have seen working on the codebase recently was Ali. He also was the release manager of package which had trouble to receive the necessary votes from its own team. My hope was this would change in the past months. But today I have only little hope. Playing the devils advocate I ask you (again): Do you folks believe the incubator can ever be completed as it is now? If you believe yes, please let me know why or how we can achieve that goal. Otherwise my recommendation is to move Wave to GitHub and close the incubation until the community around Wave has grown. Thoughts? Christian --- http://www.grobmeier.de @grobmeier GPG: 0xA5CC90DB
Re: Wave Kickstarter
On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On 1 Dec 2013, at 19:24, Joseph Gentle wrote: On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Ali Lown a...@lown.me.uk wrote: My only worry with a KS is how do we market it? As beyond putting it on Hacker News, explaining an P2P OT-backend communication system is likely to confuse (if not discourage) potential backers. (It also sounds more like the abstract for some academic research, than a commercial project [the issue with being on the edge of research for this technology]). Aside from hackernews, we should talk to techcrunch and all the other little tech news places. We should do a meetup on the topic here in SF to gather support, and we should try to sell the story to our local newspapers in our hometowns. I have friends who are good at this stuff that I can call on. I agree though - the hardest part is (as you say) figuring out how we distill down the idea to make it easy to explain. I can help a little with marketing. I have a well visited blog meanwhile and the right story might draw some good attention to a kickstarter campaign. Oh sweet, thanks! We'll also want to do a media blitz, telling techcrunch and all those guys. As I have some interest in making Wave happen and so I would even support the Kickstarter myself with $. That all being said, with all the new ideas and hope I would say we should postpone the go to github discussion a little more. I think ppl will support some ASF Wave more than a random github Wave. And be it only because of the safety for a clean IP. Actually, I don't want to run this project through the ASF: - I'd prefer to use the benevolent dictator model, at least for the initial development period. I don't think the ASF is the right place for brand new projects, and this will be entirely new code. - I don't want to have to convince a peanut gallery of backers before I make decisions about the project. I'm happy for the input, but building consensus amongst 1000 people for every decision will kill any project. - Politically, I will also need to develop out of github for the hip-new-project feel. Even google has started putting their projects on github. I'm don't actually think people will support an ASF wave more - I doubt most developers know who the ASF are or what they do, let alone regular people. The developers who have heard of the ASF probably associate it more with old, mature XML libraries, Java build tools with bad websites enterprise tools like hadoop rather than young agile projects. The ASF might make sense after a year or two, but I want the project to mature outside of the ASF first. The IP will be clean anyway - it'll be entirely new code, and I'll probably keep the apache2 license for patent protection (that won't do much for a standalone project, but I might be able to flee under the apache umbrella if any patent trolls actually come knocking). Please let me know if I can do more to support this effort (speaking with my entrepreneur hat on, not my ASF hat) Thanks - I may well take you up on that :) I think the biggest way people will be able to help is to help get the word out if/when we launch a kickstarter. For this sort of thing we'll want a media blitz in the first few days of launching the kickstarter to build momentum and get people talking about it. -J Cheers Christian -J --- http://www.grobmeier.de @grobmeier GPG: 0xA5CC90DB
Re: Wave Kickstarter
I’ve been getting these emails for awhile now and none of them are really relevant to me. I am not a developer just an end user, How do I unsubscribe? California Office: Toll Free: Skype: Twitter: Facebook:209-644-2205 855-544-MKTG MKTGExperts @ MKTGExperts Over 6,000 Followers @ MKTGExperts Over 1,400 likes On Dec 2, 2013, at 9:35 AM, Joseph Gentle jose...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On 1 Dec 2013, at 19:24, Joseph Gentle wrote: On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Ali Lown a...@lown.me.uk wrote: My only worry with a KS is how do we market it? As beyond putting it on Hacker News, explaining an P2P OT-backend communication system is likely to confuse (if not discourage) potential backers. (It also sounds more like the abstract for some academic research, than a commercial project [the issue with being on the edge of research for this technology]). Aside from hackernews, we should talk to techcrunch and all the other little tech news places. We should do a meetup on the topic here in SF to gather support, and we should try to sell the story to our local newspapers in our hometowns. I have friends who are good at this stuff that I can call on. I agree though - the hardest part is (as you say) figuring out how we distill down the idea to make it easy to explain. I can help a little with marketing. I have a well visited blog meanwhile and the right story might draw some good attention to a kickstarter campaign. Oh sweet, thanks! We'll also want to do a media blitz, telling techcrunch and all those guys. As I have some interest in making Wave happen and so I would even support the Kickstarter myself with $. That all being said, with all the new ideas and hope I would say we should postpone the go to github discussion a little more. I think ppl will support some ASF Wave more than a random github Wave. And be it only because of the safety for a clean IP. Actually, I don't want to run this project through the ASF: - I'd prefer to use the benevolent dictator model, at least for the initial development period. I don't think the ASF is the right place for brand new projects, and this will be entirely new code. - I don't want to have to convince a peanut gallery of backers before I make decisions about the project. I'm happy for the input, but building consensus amongst 1000 people for every decision will kill any project. - Politically, I will also need to develop out of github for the hip-new-project feel. Even google has started putting their projects on github. I'm don't actually think people will support an ASF wave more - I doubt most developers know who the ASF are or what they do, let alone regular people. The developers who have heard of the ASF probably associate it more with old, mature XML libraries, Java build tools with bad websites enterprise tools like hadoop rather than young agile projects. The ASF might make sense after a year or two, but I want the project to mature outside of the ASF first. The IP will be clean anyway - it'll be entirely new code, and I'll probably keep the apache2 license for patent protection (that won't do much for a standalone project, but I might be able to flee under the apache umbrella if any patent trolls actually come knocking). Please let me know if I can do more to support this effort (speaking with my entrepreneur hat on, not my ASF hat) Thanks - I may well take you up on that :) I think the biggest way people will be able to help is to help get the word out if/when we launch a kickstarter. For this sort of thing we'll want a media blitz in the first few days of launching the kickstarter to build momentum and get people talking about it. -J Cheers Christian -J --- http://www.grobmeier.de @grobmeier GPG: 0xA5CC90DB
Re: Incubation status
i think the most usefull reason to move to github, is that one of the only active coders feels like doing it .. hence we should support that person :) On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Thomas Wrobel darkfl...@gmail.com wrote: But for that commitment, we need more consensus about what Wave should try to be Is there really a lack of consensus here? I think , imho, we have a consensus, just not the skill/time. ~~~ Thomas Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 2 December 2013 16:51, John Blossom jblos...@gmail.com wrote: Christian, Although I support the incubator's goals, it seems that there is probably a fundamental mismatch between the state of Apache Wave and where and how Wave needs to develop. I am one of the people who had to stand back from Wave a while back. I was enthusiastic about the possibility of Apache acting as a strong framework for Wave, but it seems that it's at the wrong stage of development to benefit from everything that Apache offers. I must also admit that the new Gmail inbox doesn't draw me to forum posts as much as it used to. The community tools of Apache aren't getting my attention, for whatever reason. Wave is trying to define lots of new bits of technology that don't necessarily have a fixed architecture yet or even a place in other fixed architectures. Months later, we're still at a point where we have a body of code that's still largely a specific user client rather than an agile development platform that can enable a wide variety of apps via a common set of communications and data management protocols and standards. Most importantly from my own perspective, it's not moved significantly towards an architecture that could be strongly mobile first with both synchronous and asynchronous publishing. So for me, it's not meeting the goals of what Wave 3.0 could be. At the same time you have initiatives like Motorola's Project Ara for open source mobile hardware development that would be ideal for some of the things that Wave could do in developing nations, as well as open source mobile OS initiatives, so open and mobile as a combination are progressing. I wish that I were still an active coder (sometimes), but I am not, and I am not going to be able to reach my goals without committed coders. But for that commitment, we need more consensus about what Wave should try to be in an increasingly crowded market for collaborative services. From that perspective, Wave seems to need a bit more direction than the Apache framework can manage at this point. There's not a body of code that meets a well defined market objective - that's a profile for success in Apache, it seems, looking at some of the other projects. Open or not, every platform must find a need and fill it. Finally, since commitment seems to be partially a factor of funding, perhaps a more independent project on Github (assuming that there are no remnant Google claims) might make it easier for independent teams to attract funding via crowdsourcing platforms once a more concrete goal has been defined. Once such a project met with some initial success, perhaps there could be a body of code that could be nurtured in the Apache framework at a later time. I am sorry to have dropped out of this loop, but I have had to focus on money-generating opportunities more intently, if I could balance that with Wave a bit more easily then it would be easier to focus, no doubt. But life goes on, and I know that Wave will always go on. If there are team members who feel that I can contribute positively in this transition, feel free to stay in touch. All the best, John Blossom email: jblos...@gmail.com phone: 203.293.8511 google+: google.com/+JohnBlossom On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 5:02 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, it seems as the first steam with the new people is gone. I believe it makes sense to discuss if the incubator is the right place. Incubation has a specific goal: forming a team which can do releases and is - in a way - active. I see there is little activity at all. The only person i have seen working on the codebase recently was Ali. He also was the release manager of package which had trouble to receive the necessary votes from its own team. My hope was this would change in the past months. But today I have only little hope. Playing the devils advocate I ask you (again): Do you folks believe the incubator can ever be completed as it is now? If you believe yes, please let me know why or how we can achieve that goal. Otherwise my recommendation is to move Wave to GitHub and close the incubation until the community around Wave has grown. Thoughts? Christian ---
Re: Incubation status
It sounds as though the project has momentum on two (or more?) compatible fronts. I'm personally very interested in the mavenization effort and would be happy to help test. -R On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 7:46 PM, Michael MacFadden michael.macfad...@gmail.com wrote: I would still be more than happy to press through the mavenization, but it seemed like people were some what against the idea until we got the release out the door historically. Thoughts? On 12/1/13, 5:37 PM, Frank R. renfeng...@gmail.com wrote: It'll get slim once mavenized. On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 6:06 AM, Angus Turner angusisf...@gmail.com wrote: It is quite a large repo :) Thanks Angus Turner angusisf...@gmail.com On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Thomas Wrobel darkfl...@gmail.com wrote: No problem, at the moment its still checking out. I'll note down any other issues other then those two as I get any. (Actually still on WindowsXP here ;) ) ~~~ Thomas Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 1 December 2013 23:02, Angus Turner angusisf...@gmail.com wrote: Or a wave ;) On a more serious note this is something that needs doing - and something I've been meaning to do for a while. Start with a clean slate on each major OS (Mac OSX, Ubuntu, Win8 and possibly WinXP) and write down exactly what needs doing or what errors come up. If you begin to do this it'd be great to document it somewhere like the wiki.. Thanks Angus Turner angusisf...@gmail.com On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Thomas Wrobel darkfl...@gmail.com wrote: ora wave? ;) It is sort-of on-topic to the earlier discussion as to how to get more activity. But yes, it might be getting too sidetracked. ~~~ Thomas Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 1 December 2013 22:46, Angus Turner angusisf...@gmail.com wrote: A wiki page or a new thread might be better for this - kind of off topic... Thanks Angus Turner angusisf...@gmail.com On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Thomas Wrobel darkfl...@gmail.com wrote: ok, svn checkout; Note #1: Get an Error validating server certificate for https://svn.apache.org:443: Unknown certificate issuer. Fingerprint: bc:5f:40:92:fd:6a:49:aa:f8:b8:35:0d:ed:27:5e:a6:64:c1:7a:1b Thawte, Inc., US I accept once and proceed. (I am just documenting anything that might put people off getting started) ~~~ Thomas Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 1 December 2013 22:26, Thomas Wrobel darkfl...@gmail.com wrote: cheers :) ~~~ Thomas Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 1 December 2013 21:35, Yuri Z vega...@gmail.com wrote: The latest source code: http://incubator.apache.org/wave/source-code.html On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 8:19 PM, Thomas Wrobel darkfl...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 November 2013 16:05, Fleeky Flanco fle...@gmail.com wrote: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WAVE/Building+Wave+in+a+Box https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WAVE/Home also there is #wiab on irc.freenode.net Ok, trying to follow this guide to setup for client development. Stuck #1; Wheres the latest source?
Re: Incubation status
@Thomas Wrobel. This is probably a matter of discussion for another time in terms of what the consensus is, especially since I haven't been an active part of that consensus for a long time. But I would agree that not enough talent willing to focus on Wave is a big problem. It's not clear that Github-centered development may change this significantly, but it may help, and it would certainly simplify branding efforts and possibly fund-raising. All the best, John Blossom email: jblos...@gmail.com phone: 203.293.8511 google+: google.com/+JohnBlossom On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Thomas Wrobel darkfl...@gmail.com wrote: But for that commitment, we need more consensus about what Wave should try to be Is there really a lack of consensus here? I think , imho, we have a consensus, just not the skill/time. ~~~ Thomas Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 2 December 2013 16:51, John Blossom jblos...@gmail.com wrote: Christian, Although I support the incubator's goals, it seems that there is probably a fundamental mismatch between the state of Apache Wave and where and how Wave needs to develop. I am one of the people who had to stand back from Wave a while back. I was enthusiastic about the possibility of Apache acting as a strong framework for Wave, but it seems that it's at the wrong stage of development to benefit from everything that Apache offers. I must also admit that the new Gmail inbox doesn't draw me to forum posts as much as it used to. The community tools of Apache aren't getting my attention, for whatever reason. Wave is trying to define lots of new bits of technology that don't necessarily have a fixed architecture yet or even a place in other fixed architectures. Months later, we're still at a point where we have a body of code that's still largely a specific user client rather than an agile development platform that can enable a wide variety of apps via a common set of communications and data management protocols and standards. Most importantly from my own perspective, it's not moved significantly towards an architecture that could be strongly mobile first with both synchronous and asynchronous publishing. So for me, it's not meeting the goals of what Wave 3.0 could be. At the same time you have initiatives like Motorola's Project Ara for open source mobile hardware development that would be ideal for some of the things that Wave could do in developing nations, as well as open source mobile OS initiatives, so open and mobile as a combination are progressing. I wish that I were still an active coder (sometimes), but I am not, and I am not going to be able to reach my goals without committed coders. But for that commitment, we need more consensus about what Wave should try to be in an increasingly crowded market for collaborative services. From that perspective, Wave seems to need a bit more direction than the Apache framework can manage at this point. There's not a body of code that meets a well defined market objective - that's a profile for success in Apache, it seems, looking at some of the other projects. Open or not, every platform must find a need and fill it. Finally, since commitment seems to be partially a factor of funding, perhaps a more independent project on Github (assuming that there are no remnant Google claims) might make it easier for independent teams to attract funding via crowdsourcing platforms once a more concrete goal has been defined. Once such a project met with some initial success, perhaps there could be a body of code that could be nurtured in the Apache framework at a later time. I am sorry to have dropped out of this loop, but I have had to focus on money-generating opportunities more intently, if I could balance that with Wave a bit more easily then it would be easier to focus, no doubt. But life goes on, and I know that Wave will always go on. If there are team members who feel that I can contribute positively in this transition, feel free to stay in touch. All the best, John Blossom email: jblos...@gmail.com phone: 203.293.8511 google+: google.com/+JohnBlossom On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 5:02 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, it seems as the first steam with the new people is gone. I believe it makes sense to discuss if the incubator is the right place. Incubation has a specific goal: forming a team which can do releases and is - in a way - active. I see there is little activity at all. The only person i have seen working on the codebase recently was Ali. He also was the release manager of package which had trouble to receive the necessary votes from its own team. My hope was this would change in the past months. But today I have only
Re: Wave Kickstarter
Matthew: send an empty mail to: wave-dev-unsubcr...@incubator.apache.org and follow the instructions then On 2 Dec 2013, at 18:37, Matthew Murphy wrote: I’ve been getting these emails for awhile now and none of them are really relevant to me. I am not a developer just an end user, How do I unsubscribe? California Office: Toll Free: Skype: Twitter: Facebook:209-644-2205 855-544-MKTG MKTGExperts @ MKTGExperts Over 6,000 Followers @ MKTGExperts Over 1,400 likes On Dec 2, 2013, at 9:35 AM, Joseph Gentle jose...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On 1 Dec 2013, at 19:24, Joseph Gentle wrote: On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Ali Lown a...@lown.me.uk wrote: My only worry with a KS is how do we market it? As beyond putting it on Hacker News, explaining an P2P OT-backend communication system is likely to confuse (if not discourage) potential backers. (It also sounds more like the abstract for some academic research, than a commercial project [the issue with being on the edge of research for this technology]). Aside from hackernews, we should talk to techcrunch and all the other little tech news places. We should do a meetup on the topic here in SF to gather support, and we should try to sell the story to our local newspapers in our hometowns. I have friends who are good at this stuff that I can call on. I agree though - the hardest part is (as you say) figuring out how we distill down the idea to make it easy to explain. I can help a little with marketing. I have a well visited blog meanwhile and the right story might draw some good attention to a kickstarter campaign. Oh sweet, thanks! We'll also want to do a media blitz, telling techcrunch and all those guys. As I have some interest in making Wave happen and so I would even support the Kickstarter myself with $. That all being said, with all the new ideas and hope I would say we should postpone the go to github discussion a little more. I think ppl will support some ASF Wave more than a random github Wave. And be it only because of the safety for a clean IP. Actually, I don't want to run this project through the ASF: - I'd prefer to use the benevolent dictator model, at least for the initial development period. I don't think the ASF is the right place for brand new projects, and this will be entirely new code. - I don't want to have to convince a peanut gallery of backers before I make decisions about the project. I'm happy for the input, but building consensus amongst 1000 people for every decision will kill any project. - Politically, I will also need to develop out of github for the hip-new-project feel. Even google has started putting their projects on github. I'm don't actually think people will support an ASF wave more - I doubt most developers know who the ASF are or what they do, let alone regular people. The developers who have heard of the ASF probably associate it more with old, mature XML libraries, Java build tools with bad websites enterprise tools like hadoop rather than young agile projects. The ASF might make sense after a year or two, but I want the project to mature outside of the ASF first. The IP will be clean anyway - it'll be entirely new code, and I'll probably keep the apache2 license for patent protection (that won't do much for a standalone project, but I might be able to flee under the apache umbrella if any patent trolls actually come knocking). Please let me know if I can do more to support this effort (speaking with my entrepreneur hat on, not my ASF hat) Thanks - I may well take you up on that :) I think the biggest way people will be able to help is to help get the word out if/when we launch a kickstarter. For this sort of thing we'll want a media blitz in the first few days of launching the kickstarter to build momentum and get people talking about it. -J Cheers Christian -J --- http://www.grobmeier.de @grobmeier GPG: 0xA5CC90DB --- http://www.grobmeier.de @grobmeier GPG: 0xA5CC90DB
Re: Incubation status
It sounds as though the project has momentum on two or more compatible fronts. I'm most interested in the mavenization effort and would be happy to help test. -R On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 7:46 PM, Michael MacFadden michael.macfad...@gmail.com wrote: I would still be more than happy to press through the mavenization, but it seemed like people were some what against the idea until we got the release out the door historically. Thoughts? On 12/1/13, 5:37 PM, Frank R. renfeng...@gmail.com wrote: It'll get slim once mavenized. On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 6:06 AM, Angus Turner angusisf...@gmail.com wrote: It is quite a large repo :) Thanks Angus Turner angusisf...@gmail.com On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Thomas Wrobel darkfl...@gmail.com wrote: No problem, at the moment its still checking out. I'll note down any other issues other then those two as I get any. (Actually still on WindowsXP here ;) ) ~~~ Thomas Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 1 December 2013 23:02, Angus Turner angusisf...@gmail.com wrote: Or a wave ;) On a more serious note this is something that needs doing - and something I've been meaning to do for a while. Start with a clean slate on each major OS (Mac OSX, Ubuntu, Win8 and possibly WinXP) and write down exactly what needs doing or what errors come up. If you begin to do this it'd be great to document it somewhere like the wiki.. Thanks Angus Turner angusisf...@gmail.com On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Thomas Wrobel darkfl...@gmail.com wrote: ora wave? ;) It is sort-of on-topic to the earlier discussion as to how to get more activity. But yes, it might be getting too sidetracked. ~~~ Thomas Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 1 December 2013 22:46, Angus Turner angusisf...@gmail.com wrote: A wiki page or a new thread might be better for this - kind of off topic... Thanks Angus Turner angusisf...@gmail.com On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Thomas Wrobel darkfl...@gmail.com wrote: ok, svn checkout; Note #1: Get an Error validating server certificate for https://svn.apache.org:443: Unknown certificate issuer. Fingerprint: bc:5f:40:92:fd:6a:49:aa:f8:b8:35:0d:ed:27:5e:a6:64:c1:7a:1b Thawte, Inc., US I accept once and proceed. (I am just documenting anything that might put people off getting started) ~~~ Thomas Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 1 December 2013 22:26, Thomas Wrobel darkfl...@gmail.com wrote: cheers :) ~~~ Thomas Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 1 December 2013 21:35, Yuri Z vega...@gmail.com wrote: The latest source code: http://incubator.apache.org/wave/source-code.html On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 8:19 PM, Thomas Wrobel darkfl...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 November 2013 16:05, Fleeky Flanco fle...@gmail.com wrote: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WAVE/Building+Wave+in+a+Box https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WAVE/Home also there is #wiab on irc.freenode.net Ok, trying to follow this guide to setup for client development. Stuck #1; Wheres the latest source?
Re: Wave Kickstarter
On 2 Dec 2013, at 18:35, Joseph Gentle wrote: On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: That all being said, with all the new ideas and hope I would say we should postpone the go to github discussion a little more. I think ppl will support some ASF Wave more than a random github Wave. And be it only because of the safety for a clean IP. Actually, I don't want to run this project through the ASF: - I'd prefer to use the benevolent dictator model, at least for the initial development period. I don't think the ASF is the right place for brand new projects, and this will be entirely new code. Both can work just not for all people. - I don't want to have to convince a peanut gallery of backers before I make decisions about the project. I'm happy for the input, but building consensus amongst 1000 people for every decision will kill any project. This not the case here. How many active committers does Wave have? You just need to make sure to have consensus with them which is not 1000 people. - Politically, I will also need to develop out of github for the hip-new-project feel. Even google has started putting their projects on github. GitHub is just a tool. Not a community or a foundation. Google has the benefits of a foundation because it's Google. You need to take care on a few things on your own. Which of course can work out fine. Just saying. I'm don't actually think people will support an ASF wave more - I doubt most developers know who the ASF are or what they do, let alone regular people. The developers who have heard of the ASF probably associate it more with old, mature XML libraries, Java build tools with bad websites enterprise tools like hadoop rather than young agile projects. The ASF might make sense after a year or two, but I want the project to mature outside of the ASF first. Or like Apache Cordova which is Phonegap and got a great website: http://cordova.apache.org ...and is super agile. Besides, having an enterprise ready Wave is not a bad thing. A side note on my comments above: I don't want to convince anybody to stay or leave. It's up to you folks. However I put some more salt in the discussion to make a good decision. There are a lot of pros/cons for foundations/scm hosting. The IP will be clean anyway - it'll be entirely new code, and I'll probably keep the apache2 license for patent protection (that won't do much for a standalone project, but I might be able to flee under the apache umbrella if any patent trolls actually come knocking). I am not speaking of patents. Please make sure that any contributions you might get are covered by an ICLA. This is important to flee under the apache umbrella if necessary. You can use the ICLAs used at the ASF and so on for your own project. Please let me know if I can do more to support this effort (speaking with my entrepreneur hat on, not my ASF hat) Thanks - I may well take you up on that :) I think the biggest way people will be able to help is to help get the word out if/when we launch a kickstarter. For this sort of thing we'll want a media blitz in the first few days of launching the kickstarter to build momentum and get people talking about it. Sure. However you folks better make sure you are all in one boat. If you start with Kickstarter you should have decided who is participating and where. Cheers, Christian -J Cheers Christian -J --- http://www.grobmeier.de @grobmeier GPG: 0xA5CC90DB --- http://www.grobmeier.de @grobmeier GPG: 0xA5CC90DB
Re: Wave Kickstarter
The proposal seems to include rewriting the OT stack, changing the language(s) the client and server are written in, and moving to github. If this is the case, is there any point in still being called Wave? It sounds like not much will be able to be transferred other than knowledge, so is there any reason to not just create a kickstarter for GentleWare (or whatever you want to call it :p)? I guess it is still a wave-y project, but this is kind of like the Theseus's paradox of project naming. (although I'm not that familiar with licensing concerns, so maybe there's part of the federation protocol or the OT spec which can only be used by 'Wave' in which case it makes sense).
Re: Wave Kickstarter
Assuming the protocol still maintains waves ability's; *open *federated *selective sharing (that is, sharing X with just a few people) *realtime Wave should be the name given to the server to server protocol, imho, but not much else. Google made the mistake of calling everything wave. The server to server protocol, the client and the conversation thread in the client. That was just silly really. Ideally anything developed should maintain server to server compatibility with Apaches. But, at this point, if this project takes off better then it would be upto Apache's java server to adapt to this ones. ~~~ Thomas Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 2 December 2013 20:30, Patrick Coleman patcole...@google.com wrote: The proposal seems to include rewriting the OT stack, changing the language(s) the client and server are written in, and moving to github. If this is the case, is there any point in still being called Wave? It sounds like not much will be able to be transferred other than knowledge, so is there any reason to not just create a kickstarter for GentleWare (or whatever you want to call it :p)? I guess it is still a wave-y project, but this is kind of like the Theseus's paradox of project naming. (although I'm not that familiar with licensing concerns, so maybe there's part of the federation protocol or the OT spec which can only be used by 'Wave' in which case it makes sense).
Re: Wave Kickstarter
... Not to mention that I'm not completely convinced that I want to deliver the actual email-like client as part of the project. The thing that excites me is the platform that people can build collaborative tools systems on top of. I will probably change the name too. From my original post above: Maybe the most contentious part of all, I don't think I'd want to call it wave. But it really would be the grandchild of what we've been working on all this time. -J On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Patrick Coleman patcole...@google.com wrote: The proposal seems to include rewriting the OT stack, changing the language(s) the client and server are written in, and moving to github. If this is the case, is there any point in still being called Wave? It sounds like not much will be able to be transferred other than knowledge, so is there any reason to not just create a kickstarter for GentleWare (or whatever you want to call it :p)? I guess it is still a wave-y project, but this is kind of like the Theseus's paradox of project naming. (although I'm not that familiar with licensing concerns, so maybe there's part of the federation protocol or the OT spec which can only be used by 'Wave' in which case it makes sense).
Re: Wave Kickstarter
In defence of the team, it always takes awhile to figure out what the best way to modularize a software project is when you're implementing a new idea. The right abstractions always seem obvious in retrospect, but until you've thought about it a lot its not obvious at all. For example, moving from apache+cgi_bin - apache+mod_php - python+wsgi / ruby+rack - ruby+sinatra / nodejs took _years_ of iteration. -J On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Thomas Wrobel darkfl...@gmail.com wrote: Assuming the protocol still maintains waves ability's; *open *federated *selective sharing (that is, sharing X with just a few people) *realtime Wave should be the name given to the server to server protocol, imho, but not much else. Google made the mistake of calling everything wave. The server to server protocol, the client and the conversation thread in the client. That was just silly really. Ideally anything developed should maintain server to server compatibility with Apaches. But, at this point, if this project takes off better then it would be upto Apache's java server to adapt to this ones. ~~~ Thomas Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 2 December 2013 20:30, Patrick Coleman patcole...@google.com wrote: The proposal seems to include rewriting the OT stack, changing the language(s) the client and server are written in, and moving to github. If this is the case, is there any point in still being called Wave? It sounds like not much will be able to be transferred other than knowledge, so is there any reason to not just create a kickstarter for GentleWare (or whatever you want to call it :p)? I guess it is still a wave-y project, but this is kind of like the Theseus's paradox of project naming. (although I'm not that familiar with licensing concerns, so maybe there's part of the federation protocol or the OT spec which can only be used by 'Wave' in which case it makes sense).
Re: Setting up Wave for client development (my experience setting up on WindowsXP)
I think the most up to date installation guide is the README file - https://github.com/apache/wave/blob/trunk/README On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Thomas Wrobel darkfl...@gmail.com wrote: Stuck #3: ANT Buildfile: C:\TomsProjects\wave\build.xml check-test-dependencies: BUILD FAILED C:\TomsProjects\wave\build.xml:259: You need to execute the get-third-party targ et to download dependencies required for tests compilation, i.e. ant get-third-p arty. third_party/test/emma/emma_ant.jar ~~~ Thomas Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 2 December 2013 15:13, Thomas Wrobel darkfl...@gmail.com wrote: Note #2: Should be made clear your need JDK installed, with a link to the Java site. (not just JRE). Note #3: Should be clarified that the ANT command doesn't work in XP just by adding its path to a ANT system variable. The path to ANT has to be added to the already existing PATH system variable. (and it should be just to the bin directory, the \ant at the end shouldn't be there. People can use echo %PATH% to check its added ok. (I will start expanding/changing the guide as soon as I have write permission, although I will post changes first here as well, in case I have got something wrong or its specific to XP and Win7 is treated differently) ~~~ Thomas Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 2 December 2013 02:36, Ali Lown a...@lown.me.uk wrote: For the ant, do I just go for the route (that is the wave directory rather then the wave-protocol one that doesn't exist now? Yes.
Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Dec 2013 ([ppmc])
Thanks. As it seems the only real issue we have is with the thumbnails from thumbnail_patterns, which were submitted by Andrew Kaplanov. I am not sure regarding their source. I think we will have to remove them or replace by something made by us. Ali, any chance that you can try to fix the remaining licences files? On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Ali Lown a...@lown.me.uk wrote: Yuri, Check 52284A93.9010403 for the last set of comments on it. Though, given the other discussion, I would hold off the report for a day or two, and let us settle that first. Ali On 28 November 2013 10:00, Yuri Z vega...@gmail.com wrote: Sure, I ll do it. Ali, what was the issue with last release candidate? I think there were some minor change requests, right? On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.comwrote: Here we go again. Any volunteers to report? Unfortunately the steam seems to be out of Wave again... On 28 Nov 2013, at 4:58, Marvin wrote: Dear podling, This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache Incubator PMC. It is an initial reminder to give you plenty of time to prepare your quarterly board report. The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 18 December 2013, 10:30:30:00 PST. The report for your podling will form a part of the Incubator PMC report. The Incubator PMC requires your report to be submitted 2 weeks before the board meeting, to allow sufficient time for review and submission (Wed, Dec 4th). Please submit your report with sufficient time to allow the incubator PMC, and subsequently board members to review and digest. Again, the very latest you should submit your report is 2 weeks prior to the board meeting. Thanks, The Apache Incubator PMC Submitting your Report -- Your report should contain the following: * Your project name * A brief description of your project, which assumes no knowledge of the project or necessarily of its field * A list of the three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation. * Any issues that the Incubator PMC or ASF Board might wish/need to be aware of * How has the community developed since the last report * How has the project developed since the last report. This should be appended to the Incubator Wiki page at: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/December2013 Note: This manually populated. You may need to wait a little before this page is created from a template. Mentors --- Mentors should review reports for their project(s) and sign them off on the Incubator wiki page. Signing off reports shows that you are following the project - projects that are not signed may raise alarms for the Incubator PMC. Incubator PMC --- http://www.grobmeier.de @grobmeier GPG: 0xA5CC90DB
Where is a working sandbox and a demo site?
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Re: Setting up Wave for client development (my experience setting up on WindowsXP)
Thanks - I'll use that one as a reference now, but I'll aim to edit/update the other one (as that seems a bit more friendly for someone getting started). --- Notes #4: ant get-third-party is needed before running ant. --- Stuck #4: Build error; C:\TomsProjects\waveant Buildfile: C:\TomsProjects\wave\build.xml check-test-dependencies: init-logging: [mkdir] Created dir: C:\TomsProjects\wave\build\logs [echo] Logging to C:\TomsProjects\wave/build/logs/build_2013-11-29_17-48-35 .log init: [mkdir] Created dir: C:\TomsProjects\wave\build\proto [mkdir] Created dir: C:\TomsProjects\wave\build\messages [mkdir] Created dir: C:\TomsProjects\wave\build\src [mkdir] Created dir: C:\TomsProjects\wave\build\test [mkdir] Created dir: C:\TomsProjects\wave\build\coverage [mkdir] Created dir: C:\TomsProjects\wave\dist [mkdir] Created dir: C:\TomsProjects\wave\build\staging [mkdir] Created dir: C:\TomsProjects\wave\build\dep [mkdir] Created dir: C:\TomsProjects\wave\test_out compile-proto-dep: compile-proto: [javac] Compiling 12 source files to C:\TomsProjects\wave\build\proto [javac] C:\TomsProjects\wave\proto_src\org\waveprotocol\box\attachment\Attac hmentProto.java:344: warning: [static] static method should be qualified by type name, Builder, instead of by an expression [javac] super.addAll(values, result.attachment_); [javac] ^ [javac] error: warnings found and -Werror specified [javac] C:\TomsProjects\wave\proto_src\org\waveprotocol\box\common\comms\Wav eClientRpc.java:990: warning: [static] static method should be qualified by type name, Builder, instead of by an expression [javac] super.addAll(values, result.waveletIdPrefix_); [javac] ^ ...(and a lot of similiar warnings ending in a ... [javac] super.addAll(values, result.removedContributor_); [javac] ^ [javac] 1 error [javac] 40 warnings BUILD FAILED C:\TomsProjects\wave\build.xml:100: The following error occurred while executing this line: C:\TomsProjects\wave\build-macros.xml:68: Compile failed; see the compiler error output for details. Total time: 12 seconds ~~~ Thomas Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 2 December 2013 21:03, Yuri Z vega...@gmail.com wrote: I think the most up to date installation guide is the README file - https://github.com/apache/wave/blob/trunk/README On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Thomas Wrobel darkfl...@gmail.com wrote: Stuck #3: ANT Buildfile: C:\TomsProjects\wave\build.xml check-test-dependencies: BUILD FAILED C:\TomsProjects\wave\build.xml:259: You need to execute the get-third-party targ et to download dependencies required for tests compilation, i.e. ant get-third-p arty. third_party/test/emma/emma_ant.jar ~~~ Thomas Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 2 December 2013 15:13, Thomas Wrobel darkfl...@gmail.com wrote: Note #2: Should be made clear your need JDK installed, with a link to the Java site. (not just JRE). Note #3: Should be clarified that the ANT command doesn't work in XP just by adding its path to a ANT system variable. The path to ANT has to be added to the already existing PATH system variable. (and it should be just to the bin directory, the \ant at the end shouldn't be there. People can use echo %PATH% to check its added ok. (I will start expanding/changing the guide as soon as I have write permission, although I will post changes first here as well, in case I have got something wrong or its specific to XP and Win7 is treated differently) ~~~ Thomas Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 2 December 2013 02:36, Ali Lown a...@lown.me.uk wrote: For the ant, do I just go for the route (that is the wave directory rather then the wave-protocol one that doesn't exist now? Yes.
Re: Where is a working sandbox and a demo site?
Try http://waveinabox.net On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 7:43 PM, Basavaraj K N [MaGE] basavaraj...@manipalglobal.com wrote: Hi Are there any sandbox or demo site? Can't see much of community activities, also most of the links on Apache wiki are dead Thanks Basavaraj Mailgate Notification - Note: Our email domain has moved to @manipalglobal.com DISCLAIMER - This email is for the sole use of the Manipal Group its Entities and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the original message. MailGate uses policy enforcement to scan for known viruses, spam, undesirable content and malicious code. -- -
Re: Setting up Wave for client development (my experience setting up on WindowsXP)
ah...no...a fresh download of jdk7 I'll downgrade. ~~~ Thomas Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 2 December 2013 21:39, Ali Lown a...@lown.me.uk wrote: Are you definitely using jdk6? On 2 Dec 2013 20:25, Thomas Wrobel darkfl...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks - I'll use that one as a reference now, but I'll aim to edit/update the other one (as that seems a bit more friendly for someone getting started). --- Notes #4: ant get-third-party is needed before running ant. --- Stuck #4: Build error; C:\TomsProjects\waveant Buildfile: C:\TomsProjects\wave\build.xml check-test-dependencies: init-logging: [mkdir] Created dir: C:\TomsProjects\wave\build\logs [echo] Logging to C:\TomsProjects\wave/build/logs/build_2013-11-29_17-48-35 .log init: [mkdir] Created dir: C:\TomsProjects\wave\build\proto [mkdir] Created dir: C:\TomsProjects\wave\build\messages [mkdir] Created dir: C:\TomsProjects\wave\build\src [mkdir] Created dir: C:\TomsProjects\wave\build\test [mkdir] Created dir: C:\TomsProjects\wave\build\coverage [mkdir] Created dir: C:\TomsProjects\wave\dist [mkdir] Created dir: C:\TomsProjects\wave\build\staging [mkdir] Created dir: C:\TomsProjects\wave\build\dep [mkdir] Created dir: C:\TomsProjects\wave\test_out compile-proto-dep: compile-proto: [javac] Compiling 12 source files to C:\TomsProjects\wave\build\proto [javac] C:\TomsProjects\wave\proto_src\org\waveprotocol\box\attachment\Attac hmentProto.java:344: warning: [static] static method should be qualified by type name, Builder, instead of by an expression [javac] super.addAll(values, result.attachment_); [javac] ^ [javac] error: warnings found and -Werror specified [javac] C:\TomsProjects\wave\proto_src\org\waveprotocol\box\common\comms\Wav eClientRpc.java:990: warning: [static] static method should be qualified by type name, Builder, instead of by an expression [javac] super.addAll(values, result.waveletIdPrefix_); [javac] ^ ...(and a lot of similiar warnings ending in a ... [javac] super.addAll(values, result.removedContributor_); [javac] ^ [javac] 1 error [javac] 40 warnings BUILD FAILED C:\TomsProjects\wave\build.xml:100: The following error occurred while executing this line: C:\TomsProjects\wave\build-macros.xml:68: Compile failed; see the compiler error output for details. Total time: 12 seconds ~~~ Thomas Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 2 December 2013 21:03, Yuri Z vega...@gmail.com wrote: I think the most up to date installation guide is the README file - https://github.com/apache/wave/blob/trunk/README On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Thomas Wrobel darkfl...@gmail.com wrote: Stuck #3: ANT Buildfile: C:\TomsProjects\wave\build.xml check-test-dependencies: BUILD FAILED C:\TomsProjects\wave\build.xml:259: You need to execute the get-third-party targ et to download dependencies required for tests compilation, i.e. ant get-third-p arty. third_party/test/emma/emma_ant.jar ~~~ Thomas Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 2 December 2013 15:13, Thomas Wrobel darkfl...@gmail.com wrote: Note #2: Should be made clear your need JDK installed, with a link to the Java site. (not just JRE). Note #3: Should be clarified that the ANT command doesn't work in XP just by adding its path to a ANT system variable. The path to ANT has to be added to the already existing PATH system variable. (and it should be just to the bin directory, the \ant at the end shouldn't be there. People can use echo %PATH% to check its added ok. (I will start expanding/changing the guide as soon as I have write permission, although I will post changes first here as well, in case I have got something wrong or its specific to XP and Win7 is treated differently) ~~~ Thomas Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 2 December 2013 02:36, Ali Lown a...@lown.me.uk wrote: For the ant, do I just go for the route (that is the wave directory rather then the wave-protocol one that doesn't exist now? Yes.
Re: Wave Kickstarter
the beauty of joseph trying to do a kickstarter to essentially restart development on a 'spiritual' successor to wave is actually wave could still stay in asf, as a legacy fallback option. i feel like joseph manning up and really trying to set some real focus to his own coding goals will be a win-win for everybody. the real question is whats the best way to support the coders. On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 8:59 PM, Joseph Gentle jose...@gmail.com wrote: In defence of the team, it always takes awhile to figure out what the best way to modularize a software project is when you're implementing a new idea. The right abstractions always seem obvious in retrospect, but until you've thought about it a lot its not obvious at all. For example, moving from apache+cgi_bin - apache+mod_php - python+wsgi / ruby+rack - ruby+sinatra / nodejs took _years_ of iteration. -J On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Thomas Wrobel darkfl...@gmail.com wrote: Assuming the protocol still maintains waves ability's; *open *federated *selective sharing (that is, sharing X with just a few people) *realtime Wave should be the name given to the server to server protocol, imho, but not much else. Google made the mistake of calling everything wave. The server to server protocol, the client and the conversation thread in the client. That was just silly really. Ideally anything developed should maintain server to server compatibility with Apaches. But, at this point, if this project takes off better then it would be upto Apache's java server to adapt to this ones. ~~~ Thomas Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 2 December 2013 20:30, Patrick Coleman patcole...@google.com wrote: The proposal seems to include rewriting the OT stack, changing the language(s) the client and server are written in, and moving to github. If this is the case, is there any point in still being called Wave? It sounds like not much will be able to be transferred other than knowledge, so is there any reason to not just create a kickstarter for GentleWare (or whatever you want to call it :p)? I guess it is still a wave-y project, but this is kind of like the Theseus's paradox of project naming. (although I'm not that familiar with licensing concerns, so maybe there's part of the federation protocol or the OT spec which can only be used by 'Wave' in which case it makes sense).
Re: Setting up Wave for client development (my experience setting up on WindowsXP)
bah...need to sign up to Oracle just to download JDK6 now? seriously _ This is the sort of thing that puts people off :-/ *files it under do tommorow ~~~ Thomas Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 2 December 2013 22:10, Thomas Wrobel darkfl...@gmail.com wrote: ah...no...a fresh download of jdk7 I'll downgrade. ~~~ Thomas Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 2 December 2013 21:39, Ali Lown a...@lown.me.uk wrote: Are you definitely using jdk6? On 2 Dec 2013 20:25, Thomas Wrobel darkfl...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks - I'll use that one as a reference now, but I'll aim to edit/update the other one (as that seems a bit more friendly for someone getting started). --- Notes #4: ant get-third-party is needed before running ant. --- Stuck #4: Build error; C:\TomsProjects\waveant Buildfile: C:\TomsProjects\wave\build.xml check-test-dependencies: init-logging: [mkdir] Created dir: C:\TomsProjects\wave\build\logs [echo] Logging to C:\TomsProjects\wave/build/logs/build_2013-11-29_17-48-35 .log init: [mkdir] Created dir: C:\TomsProjects\wave\build\proto [mkdir] Created dir: C:\TomsProjects\wave\build\messages [mkdir] Created dir: C:\TomsProjects\wave\build\src [mkdir] Created dir: C:\TomsProjects\wave\build\test [mkdir] Created dir: C:\TomsProjects\wave\build\coverage [mkdir] Created dir: C:\TomsProjects\wave\dist [mkdir] Created dir: C:\TomsProjects\wave\build\staging [mkdir] Created dir: C:\TomsProjects\wave\build\dep [mkdir] Created dir: C:\TomsProjects\wave\test_out compile-proto-dep: compile-proto: [javac] Compiling 12 source files to C:\TomsProjects\wave\build\proto [javac] C:\TomsProjects\wave\proto_src\org\waveprotocol\box\attachment\Attac hmentProto.java:344: warning: [static] static method should be qualified by type name, Builder, instead of by an expression [javac] super.addAll(values, result.attachment_); [javac] ^ [javac] error: warnings found and -Werror specified [javac] C:\TomsProjects\wave\proto_src\org\waveprotocol\box\common\comms\Wav eClientRpc.java:990: warning: [static] static method should be qualified by type name, Builder, instead of by an expression [javac] super.addAll(values, result.waveletIdPrefix_); [javac] ^ ...(and a lot of similiar warnings ending in a ... [javac] super.addAll(values, result.removedContributor_); [javac] ^ [javac] 1 error [javac] 40 warnings BUILD FAILED C:\TomsProjects\wave\build.xml:100: The following error occurred while executing this line: C:\TomsProjects\wave\build-macros.xml:68: Compile failed; see the compiler error output for details. Total time: 12 seconds ~~~ Thomas Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 2 December 2013 21:03, Yuri Z vega...@gmail.com wrote: I think the most up to date installation guide is the README file - https://github.com/apache/wave/blob/trunk/README On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Thomas Wrobel darkfl...@gmail.com wrote: Stuck #3: ANT Buildfile: C:\TomsProjects\wave\build.xml check-test-dependencies: BUILD FAILED C:\TomsProjects\wave\build.xml:259: You need to execute the get-third-party targ et to download dependencies required for tests compilation, i.e. ant get-third-p arty. third_party/test/emma/emma_ant.jar ~~~ Thomas Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 2 December 2013 15:13, Thomas Wrobel darkfl...@gmail.com wrote: Note #2: Should be made clear your need JDK installed, with a link to the Java site. (not just JRE). Note #3: Should be clarified that the ANT command doesn't work in XP just by adding its path to a ANT system variable. The path to ANT has to be added to the already existing PATH system variable. (and it should be just to the bin directory, the \ant at the end shouldn't be there. People can use echo %PATH% to check its added ok. (I will start expanding/changing the guide as soon as I have write permission, although I will post changes first here as well, in case I have got something wrong or its specific to XP and Win7 is treated differently) ~~~ Thomas Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 2 December 2013 02:36, Ali Lown a...@lown.me.uk wrote: For the ant, do I just go for the route (that is the wave directory rather then the
Re: Where is a working sandbox and a demo site?
And also https://wave-dev.alown.co.uk On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 4:26 AM, Yuri Z vega...@gmail.com wrote: Try http://waveinabox.net On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 7:43 PM, Basavaraj K N [MaGE] basavaraj...@manipalglobal.com wrote: Hi Are there any sandbox or demo site? Can't see much of community activities, also most of the links on Apache wiki are dead Thanks Basavaraj Mailgate Notification - Note: Our email domain has moved to @manipalglobal.com DISCLAIMER - This email is for the sole use of the Manipal Group its Entities and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the original message. MailGate uses policy enforcement to scan for known viruses, spam, undesirable content and malicious code. -- -
