[wdvltalk] Re: SCR: http://www.granary.ie/new/index.asp

2003-08-29 Thread Olya_Finnegan

Jac,

I think it has a very good look overall; but you are right, it seems a
little bit off in places To me, the orange bottom stripe (with grey
grid) on the dark grey blocks (where you display information for individual
plays, etc) does not work well once you get to the bottom of the page - it
conflics with the similar wide footer there. Have you tried moving your
footer above the orange bar, to fill that space a little? I also think
there should be a little more space between the orange bottom stripe and
the text on those information boxes (on the dark grey background) on the
Projects page (http://www.granary.ie/new/granary_projects.asp) - looks like
it just got overlooked.

On the Contact page - why not use the same background and font color as you
did throughout the rest of the website? And the seems to be too much space
between the end of the form and the orange stripe.

Hope the above makes sense... Been brain-dead lately :-(

In awe of your design powers, as usual,

Olya






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[wdvltalk] SCR: http://www.granary.ie/new/index.asp

2003-08-29 Thread jac - WDVL
OMG!! I'm going off my game here! I've been at this for the last few hours &
I'm going round in circles. I know there's something wrong with the look of
the page(s) but I can't put my finger on it. think it might be the bottom
parts of the rounded rects. containing the content... but I can't get
anything better going. Does it look too cheesy? too orange? anybody got a
better suggestion? Then when it comes to the "contact us" page - the light
grey bg of the tables containing the address/emails/form - that doesn't work
either does it? think i need a break :o) ... ohh frustration is an
understatement.

please let me know what you think might be the problem & where I'm going
wrong with it. so fed up with it by now.

http://www.granary.ie/new/index.asp

as you'll see - placeholder images & text being used in places through out
the site.

tia
jac

venting while lost in the woods.



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[wdvltalk] Re: Small town

2003-08-29 Thread Linda Cole
Hi List,

I've kind of let this slide a little, but I think it's time to remind 
everyone that price discussion is not allowed on this list.

http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/tos.html
1. MEMBER CONDUCT
v. Discussing in any way prices, fees, or wages for your services;
I hate to break it up, since it's a really interesting thread, but we need 
to cease and desist from mentioning prices, fees and wages.

Thanks all!

Linda

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[wdvltalk] Re: Small town

2003-08-29 Thread Dave Navarro
From what I can tell... It's a matter of perception.  "Programming" is 
perceived to be very difficult and time consuming (and sometimes it is).

For ASP Database programming we list $200/hour on our price sheet and we 
"discount" that to $150/hour when the client signs a contract for long term 
service.

For general ASP/PhP programming we list at $150/hour with a discounted rate 
of $110/hour.

For Windows application programming (the bulk of the work that I personally 
do), we list at $250/hour with no discounts.  We do offer a 30% discount on 
the complete contract if we retain the rights to the program we create (so 
that we can resell the application).  However, if the client keeps the 
rights to the application then we offer no discount.  If we are required to 
sign a non-compete (we'll won't create a similar application for anyone 
else) then we add a $10,000++ surcharge, depending on the industry.

On the database programming side, the bulk of the work we do is integrating 
data from existing applications (bookkeeping, inventory, etc.) into 
web-based applications for access by employees and customers.  As an 
example, we're finishing up a job for a local furniture chain (5 stores) so 
they can share inventory with each other over the web.  It's strictly so 
that their sales people know what's available in the other stores.  The 
total cost of the project was $9,300 which included a new server at their 
main office running Win2k Server and IIS to host the app/data.  We also had 
to integrate the system with their accounting software (Peachtree).

What I can't understand is that people will easily believe that programming 
is difficult and expensive and don't fuss (for the most part) about 
pricing, but when you tell them that "designing" graphics for a web site is 
also a difficult process, they don't believe it.  I guess they think that 
all artists are hippies or something.  

--Dave

At 8/28/2003, you wrote:
> We actually do very well with anything that requires programming (my
> personal forte).  We can get away with charging the client $150 to
> $200/hour for database work.
holy $deity

i don't charge anywhere near that, and i think i'm pretty good at databases

i'd be interested in hearing offlist from you, dave, how you go about
marketing those hours
i'm obviously doing something *way* wrong if you can get that

i'm not saying you aren't worth it, just that i probably am too

rudy



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[wdvltalk] Re: Small town

2003-08-29 Thread Dave Navarro
At 8/29/2003, you wrote:
Do you mind working with designers in another country?  I know two very
good graphics designers and since they would be charging in Rands (we're in
South Africa) you would be able to afford them.  Im not sure how much they
charge though, I can find out all the details if you want.
We already do.  All of the Flash stuff we have done is by a guy in 
Switzerland.  At $65/hour he's pretty reasonable and he does great 
work.  Since he can usually get most things done in 2 to 4 hours, we've not 
had problems with pricing for that.

--Dave

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[wdvltalk] Re: Small town

2003-08-29 Thread Furry, Tim
Dave wrote:
> We actually do very well with anything that requires programming (my
> personal forte).  We can get away with charging the client $150 to
> $200/hour for database work.

rudy replied:
holy $deity

i don't charge anywhere near that, and i think i'm pretty good at
databases

i'm obviously doing something *way* wrong if you can get that

i'm not saying you aren't worth it, just that i probably am too

Tim sez:
Yeah, me too.  I wouldn't class myself with rudy, but... wow.  :-)

Tim




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[wdvltalk] RE: SSI browser sniffing

2003-08-29 Thread contact
Hi Abigail,

I apologize for the delay in response...things are crazy around here.  I
took a look at the alternative layout and I like it very much.  The link
is prominent enough that it won't get lost in the shuffle, yet it
doesn't detract from the menu.  Good job.

Let us know once it is completely finished!

Will Stewart

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On Saturday, August 23, 2003, 6:03:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
commented:

cwc> It works well enough on IE 6.  The question is why would you want
cwc> something like that on your site; especially before your menu?

Will, I want to clarify my other answer to you.

The page with the browser-sniffer is under development, and
I have been working several months on getting the FUNCTION
to work - that is, getting the javascript working,
cross-browser checking, etc.  LAYOUT is something I hadn't
given much thought to -- for testing purposes, it was
easiest for me to have the form near the top of the page
where I could see it and work with it easily. Also, because
of a technical reason related to the way the script itself
is coded, the it is difficult to move the color/font
changing forms around, as depending on their position on the
page, the javascript may need to be recoded with various
layout adjustments.

I hadn't even intended to ask for a site review of this page
yet, except I mentioned the form in another context, and
when Rudy got an error message on the form - I remembered
that I had a buggy browser sniffer in place. That got me
motivated to fix the browser sniffer, and once I had done
that I wanted to test it.

Your comment about layout is very useful, and actually
prompted me to develop an alternative layout which I will
probably adopt:
http://www.dyslexia.com/build/index4.html
(Note, the "Customize Site" button does NOT work - this page
has been redone for purposes of layout only).

I think your comment about layout was helpful and
important.  You should know that what I am doing is
redesigning the interface at http://www.dyslexia.com/

I am working with a situation where basically I'm trying to
take our site into the 21st century (The Wayback Machine at
archive.org tells me that those hokey graphic navigation
buttons were on the site back in December 1998).

I'm working with a situation where I want to make some big
changes, but for reasons of usability I don't want to make
them too drastic -- that is, we don't want the new interface
to scare away the users who are used to the "old" (current)
one. This is a site for dyslexia - 46% of our site visitors
say that they are dyslexic - which is why the users are
going to be delighted with the site customization form, but
they won't be able to find it without a very prominent link.
I'm also sure to get a few complaints from users who will
miss the picture-based navigation - even though the new
array is much more compatible with screen readers.

Anyway, I do want to thank you - it is helpful to me to have
feedback on overall usability.  It will still be awhile
before changes go live, because it is a big site and I have
to upgrade all the pages to be CSS-compliant and recognize
the style-changing cookie - but it's good for me to have
constructive feedback along the way.

-Abigail


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[wdvltalk] Re: Video WebCast

2003-08-29 Thread contact
I'm coming into this discussion late, but I think I have some arguments
that might benefit.

I don't understand why you should blur faces for protection.  Unless the
face in the pictures is large and looking dead on, there is not much the
perverts out there could do with it.

As far as legalities go, according to the law in the United States, if
photographs or video are taken in a public place and you are not using
them for commercial profit, you do not run any legal risks of being sued
successfully.  I got the following off the internet:

"The basic rules are: 

"Taking a picture in a public place is generally always legal. But if
that place is part of a secured emergency area like a police crime scene
line or fire or a riot, you may get arrested for being where you
shouldn't whether you're taking pictures or not. And not all street cops
know the law, so you may wind up getting arrested anyway (it happens to
news photographers who ARE acting legally about once a month in the US).


 "If you are not using the picture to promote something (i.e. commercial
use - advertisement, service, etc.) you can 'publish' a picture taken in
a public place without permission (e.g. a release). Publishing includes
the Web (my paper has a web site and runs some of the same pictures that
run in the newspaper.) Certainly 'editorial' use - reporting on the
state of the world - is generally protected. And editorial use can be
extended to cover street photography (a la HCB, Winograd, Erwitt, et al)
even if the 'event' being reported about is just a gesture or expression
or moment. 

"Caveats: If, in publishing the picture, you imply something about the
person (as in a headline or caption) that is possibly defamatory or even
just untrue, you may be liable for libel, but a model release may not
help in that case anyway. The New York Times (or their Sunday magazine)
got sued for running an anonymous but recognizable telephoto street shot
of a black man in executive clothing with a story about token blacks on
Wall Street, and lost. Because the implication was that THIS man was a
token black on Wall Street. 

"Also, the cover of a publication (and by extension, possibly the splash
page of a web site) has been considered commercial use in some cases
because it 'promotes' the magazine on news stands - in effect it's an
advertisement for what's inside the magazine. It is also possible that a
'portfolio' web site for a photographer intended to bring in business
may count as 'commercial' usage, since it is 'advertising' for the
photographer. In theory even putting a picture in your print portfolio
could be considered 'advertising' for your services if you show it to
potential clients - if some court decides to rule that showing it
constitutes 'publication'. 

"Also, there is still some question about 'fine art' usage, if, for
example, you are selling prints of the picture for profit. Is that
'commercial' use? My paper sells reprints of pictures to the public
(those that have already run in the newspaper) as do other papers/
publications, and I've never heard of such use requiring releases beyond
what was required to publish the picture in the first place. 

"Final blanket caveat: the law is always being tweaked by rulings on new
cases, new definitions, new technology (eg, the Web). So what is
generally considered legal or illegal (or liable for civil action) may
not be next week. Even more finally, you can always be sued for almost
any reason if someone wants to, even if the law eventually proves to be
in your favor."

(excerpt from:
http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=002kze )

Also see: http://www.lib.niu.edu/ipo/ip951121.html 

I hope this helps.

Will Stewart

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Softening or blurring the faces of others in pictures put on the web
would
be a very good thing.  It would be terrible if by some fluke the wrong
person saw someone in one of your posted shots and someone got hurt as a
result.

Modern technology makes so much so easy we forget the additional risks.
And
that we need to be aware of additional responsibilities.  Just because
it's
become so easy to put strangers in public view, so easy that we don't
even
think about it, doesn't mean that we shouldn't think about it.  Also
consider this.  If someone has had a history such that they would have
reason to not want to be seen in a public forum, then suggesting they
should
be afraid to go out in public for fear of having their picture wind up
on a
website would be nothing short of cruel.  It's up to all of us to be
responsible with how we handle our technology.



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[wdvltalk] RE:problem with displaying something in a narrow frame

2003-08-29 Thread Jurgen Haug
Hello Stephen,

Friday, August 29, 2003, 2:51:06 PM, you wrote:


> Jurgen,
>   I've got no advice, but it displays this behavior in Mozilla too... so it seems 
> it's not just an Opera behavior.  

h, then I guess Opera so far only did it 'wrong' which was fine, and now does it 
'right' which is bad, sigh. I was thinking about doing the scrolling effect with 
playing with the 'clip' functionality, instead of moving the pictures, but I never got 
hat to work, whenever I used clip, the whole picture just disappeared... and I didn't 
find anywhere a nice example how to use it. I guess I will just have to remove the 
scrolling completely.


Also, I get a javascript error:

> Error: document.getElementById("preferences") has no properties
> Source File: http://www.safaribears.de/javascript/index.js
> Line: 163

> I doubt the two are related, but you never know...

oh there, i just forgot to remove something, since I stripped the html page of a lot 
of elements to but the example up...

-- 
Regards,
 Jurgen



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[wdvltalk] RE: problem with displaying something in a narrow frame

2003-08-29 Thread Stephen Caudill
Jurgen Haug on Friday, August 29, 2003 5:07 AM said:

: Hi guys,
: 
: I just installed the new Opera 7.20 beta, and now one of my web
: pages is acting weird. 
: 
: please have a look at this:
: http://www.safaribears.de/jumpin.html
: 
: suddenly there's a horizontal scrollbar (indicating with it's
: existence, that the page is wider than the frame, which is not
: intended). when scrolling the picture (that's my index for
: accessing the different pages), now that scrollbar shows that the
: wideness of the page changes
: 
: What happens is obvious to me. What I am doing on that page is
: have 3 pictures next to each other, and then scrolling two of
: them, but since I have in the css:  
: 
: div.imageblock{
:   position:absolute;
:   left:18px;
:   top:43px;
:   width:75px;
:   height:100px;
:   overflow:hidden;
: }
: 
: the overflow:hidden, I don't understand why it affects the page
: rendering at all??? Until the 7.11 it did not matter, but now it
: suddenly does. Am I doing something wrong there, or is it Opera?  
: 
: btw, here's the same thing without the overflow:hidden.
: http://www.safaribears.de/jumpin2.html
: 
: THERE the behaviour is okay, since I am actually displaying the
: pictures next to the important center one, but why does it act in
: the first page exactly like that, even NOT displaying them? :-(  

Jurgen,
  I've got no advice, but it displays this behavior in Mozilla too... so it seems it's 
not just an Opera behavior.  Also, I get a javascript error:

Error: document.getElementById("preferences") has no properties
Source File: http://www.safaribears.de/javascript/index.js
Line: 163

I doubt the two are related, but you never know...

hth,
Stephen
http://www.mechavox.com/

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[wdvltalk] problem with displaying something in a narrow frame

2003-08-29 Thread Jurgen Haug
Hi guys,

I just installed the new Opera 7.20 beta, and now one of my web pages is acting weird.

please have a look at this:
http://www.safaribears.de/jumpin.html

suddenly there's a horizontal scrollbar (indicating with it's existence, that the page 
is wider than the frame, which is not intended). when scrolling the picture (that's my 
index for accessing the different pages), now that scrollbar shows that the wideness 
of the page changes

What happens is obvious to me. What I am doing on that page is have 3 pictures next to 
each other, and then scrolling two of them, but since I have in the css:

div.imageblock{
  position:absolute;
  left:18px;
  top:43px;
  width:75px;
  height:100px;
  overflow:hidden;
}

the overflow:hidden, I don't understand why it affects the page rendering at all??? 
Until the 7.11 it did not matter, but now it suddenly does. Am I doing something wrong 
there, or is it Opera?

btw, here's the same thing without the overflow:hidden.
http://www.safaribears.de/jumpin2.html

THERE the behaviour is okay, since I am actually displaying the pictures next to the 
important center one, but why does it act in the first page exactly like that, even 
NOT displaying them? :-(

-- 
regards,
 Jurgen

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[wdvltalk] Re: Small town

2003-08-29 Thread Peter MacGregor
Go to www.bluesquirrel.com and look at ClickBook (for PC or Macintosh) I've 
been using it since Version 1.0 and now it's up to 6.0

Also have a low cost PDF Maker and other useful bits.

Peter MacGregor

`At 04:15 29/08/2003, you wrote:
Peter MacGregor wrote: "a magic piece of software I found that makes
booklets out of Word documents of up to perhaps 80 pages with no human
intervention other than telling it what format, sizes and margins etc you
want - then it
sorts out which page goes on the back of which other one (tricky when you
are printing double sided landscape paper!) and prints as many copies as you
wish on your inkjet or laser!"
Better, yet! I would love to know what software program this is... Do
tell... This is one something I'd be interested in as I do print up many
booklets. Aligning the pages up front to back is a real pain in the neck!
Thanks,

Mary Rusinko - Omaha, NE, USA

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[wdvltalk] Re: Small town

2003-08-29 Thread sonja . vanderwesthuizen

Hi Dave,

Do you mind working with designers in another country?  I know two very
good graphics designers and since they would be charging in Rands (we're in
South Africa) you would be able to afford them.  Im not sure how much they
charge though, I can find out all the details if you want.

Let me know
Sonja



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At 8/28/2003, you wrote:
>We all have these Kiddies in our small town, they think just because they
>can insert a table and some background color they are web masters.

One of them actually took my wife's 6-week Basic HTML class and then hung
up his shingle.  I need to send him a Christmas card this year because
we've either re-done or completed 9 web sites from customers he made
unhappy.

>Another place you might look is your local college or university, they
>usually have a fairly good art department, they have good talent, and you
>can add to the students resume profile.  You get to check out their talent

>and abilities to create what you need, and they get credits for their
degree.

Oh, I've got ads up at the student unions and the college "employment"
centers.   But those who are willing to take $20 to $30/hour aren't
good enough.  And those who are good enough won't work for that (not that I

blame them).

I'm hoping that when my wife finishes her new XML book, she'll have time to

work on more high-end contracts so that we can afford to pay more.

--Dave


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[wdvltalk] Re: Small town

2003-08-29 Thread Mary Rusinko
Peter MacGregor wrote: "a magic piece of software I found that makes
booklets out of Word documents of up to perhaps 80 pages with no human
intervention other than telling it what format, sizes and margins etc you
want - then it
sorts out which page goes on the back of which other one (tricky when you
are printing double sided landscape paper!) and prints as many copies as you
wish on your inkjet or laser!"

Better, yet! I would love to know what software program this is... Do
tell... This is one something I'd be interested in as I do print up many
booklets. Aligning the pages up front to back is a real pain in the neck!

Thanks,

Mary Rusinko - Omaha, NE, USA


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[wdvltalk] Re: Small town

2003-08-29 Thread puterbug
At 08:24 PM 8/28/2003 +0100, you wrote:

Sorry, Deb, I didn't make myself clear. do you do your own designs or get 
them done for you? (graphics I'm talking about)

Peter


I do my own.

Deb



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[wdvltalk] Re: Small town

2003-08-29 Thread rudy
> We actually do very well with anything that requires programming (my
> personal forte).  We can get away with charging the client $150 to
> $200/hour for database work.

holy $deity

i don't charge anywhere near that, and i think i'm pretty good at databases

i'd be interested in hearing offlist from you, dave, how you go about
marketing those hours

i'm obviously doing something *way* wrong if you can get that

i'm not saying you aren't worth it, just that i probably am too


rudy



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