RE: [wdvltalk] breadcrumb problem
Can you tell me how to read the history object in JS as I think that is exactly what I want. Linda -Original Message- From: Ross Clutterbuck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 April 2005 17:13 To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com Subject:RE: [wdvltalk] breadcrumb problem Linda: I did stumble upon a Javascript that read query strings in URLs with no back-end processing, but I don't have access to my work machine at the moment. If I can dig it out then in theory you could pass query strings (like newpage.html?prevpage=index) and then read it off so you can trace where the user was previously, but it could get a bit messy and complicated. Alternatively, could you try reading the History object in JS and work it out from there? MOU This Internet E-mail is intended solely for the person to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential or privileged information. If you have received it in error please notify us immediately by telephone and destroy the transmission. You must not copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. Aerosystems International Phone: +44 (0)1935 443000 Fax : +44 (0)1935 443111 Web : www.aeroint.com The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] breadcrumb problem
Linda: I did stumble upon a Javascript that read query strings in URLs with no back-end processing, but I don't have access to my work machine at the moment. If I can dig it out then in theory you could pass query strings (like newpage.html?prevpage=index) and then read it off so you can trace where the user was previously, but it could get a bit messy and complicated. Alternatively, could you try reading the History object in JS and work it out from there? MOU Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] breadcrumb problem
Linda, consider the implications of that approach. You would have to maintain a persistent stack containing the current trail to the page, and if you simply use the referring page and add it to the breadcrumbs you will encounter recursion issues. What if the user flips back to the previous page for a moment, then back? Without stack management you will now have two sets of those pages in your breadcrumb list. I'm not sure what you mean by the importance of the context. Do you mean the page contents change depending upon the path taken to reach the page? If so, you're using breadcrumbs for a purpose for which they are not intended. You need to look at your archictecture and perhaps consider a different approach. Do you have a preliminary of the site live yet that we could take a look at and see what you're trying to do, or could you perhaps synopsize a typical user session so we could understand how the navigation path (which is what I presume you mean when you say "context") is "very important?" Cheers, Scott - Original Message - From: "Linda Wells" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 6:20 AM Subject: RE: [wdvltalk] breadcrumb problem I was happily hard coding the breadcrumbs until I found that there were going to be several ways to reach many of the pages and in this case the context in which the user is reading the information is very important. Is there a way of determining which page the user came from? If I knew the previous page could I display the appropriate breadcrumb trail using some kind of if statement? Linda This Internet E-mail is intended solely for the person to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential or privileged information. If you have received it in error please notify us immediately by telephone and destroy the transmission. You must not copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. Aerosystems International Phone: +44 (0)1935 443000 Fax : +44 (0)1935 443111 Web : www.aeroint.com The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. • The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM • To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] breadcrumb problem
I did for a site a last 3 pages visited breadcrumb wize... worked quite well... if you're using PHP that is! Put this in an include, and append it to each page... Then use the breacrumb variables in your breadcrumb area? $_SESSION[breadcrumb3] = "$_SESSION[breadcrumb2]"; $_SESSION[breadcrumb2] = "$_SESSION[breadcrumb1]"; $_SESSION[breadcrumb1] = $HTTP_REFERER; Just a thought? Tris... "Linda Wells" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 08/04/2005 11:20 Please respond to wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com cc Subject RE: [wdvltalk] breadcrumb problem I was happily hard coding the breadcrumbs until I found that there were going to be several ways to reach many of the pages and in this case the context in which the user is reading the information is very important. Is there a way of determining which page the user came from? If I knew the previous page could I display the appropriate breadcrumb trail using some kind of if statement? Linda This Internet E-mail is intended solely for the person to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential or privileged information. If you have received it in error please notify us immediately by telephone and destroy the transmission. You must not copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. Aerosystems International Phone: +44 (0)1935 443000 Fax : +44 (0)1935 443111 Web : www.aeroint.com ? The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM ? To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] breadcrumb problem
I was happily hard coding the breadcrumbs until I found that there were going
to be several ways to reach many of the pages and in this case the context in
which the user is reading the information is very important. Is there a way of
determining which page the user came from? If I knew the previous page could I
display the appropriate breadcrumb trail using some kind of if statement?
Linda
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Re: [wdvltalk] breadcrumb problem
I think the hard-coded approach is most appropriate. You don't need dynamic breadcrumbs; in fact, you don't want them. They are principally a means to offer the user a pointer to where they are in the site and should basically consist of the shortest path from the home page to the current page. It is superfluous to construct them dynamically, since the Back button will follow the same path as dynamically created breadcrumbs. Furthermore, what about recursion? Suppose the user, for one reason or another, visits the same page more than once, following a different path, or flipping back and forth between pages. How long do you plan to make your breadcrumb string? Would the current page appear twice in the list? If you're building it dynamically, it's going to require some reasonably sophisticated logic to do the necessary stack maintenance. Just hard-code them and get on with it. In terms of page weight, you're only talking a matter of bytes here, not kilobytes. If the breadcrumb string, in the worst case, extends across the entire page (in which case you have other design issues to deal with, IMHO) you're still only talking a hundred or fewer bytes. As the saying goes, don't sweat the small stuff. Cheers, Scott - Original Message - From: "Ross Clutterbuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 4:55 AM Subject: Re: [wdvltalk] breadcrumb problem Linda: With CD distribution you do have the luxury of allowing a certain "bloat" to your code as you don't have to worry about download times etc. so in that regard you might as well just hard code your breadcrumbs. This of course does make updating a nightmare especially if your CD-based site is going to be large. Alternatively you could try a client-side Javascript approach. I'm just brainstorming here so don't take this as the best way of doing it, but you could have an external data source storing your tree data (a series of Javascript arrays held in a common external JS file) and generate HTML with document.write() for the relevant path for a specific page based on parameters you give it. That way you can have breadcrumb changes reflect across the site by editing a single file/set of files as you would do with moretraditional back-end approaches. Food for thought? MOU __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. • The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM • To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] breadcrumb problem
Linda: With CD distribution you do have the luxury of allowing a certain "bloat" to your code as you don't have to worry about download times etc. so in that regard you might as well just hard code your breadcrumbs. This of course does make updating a nightmare especially if your CD-based site is going to be large. Alternatively you could try a client-side Javascript approach. I'm just brainstorming here so don't take this as the best way of doing it, but you could have an external data source storing your tree data (a series of Javascript arrays held in a common external JS file) and generate HTML with document.write() for the relevant path for a specific page based on parameters you give it. That way you can have breadcrumb changes reflect across the site by editing a single file/set of files as you would do with moretraditional back-end approaches. Food for thought? MOU __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com • The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM • To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
