RE: ERRest: Multiple entries

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Hi gang,
In my dissertation, I provided a mathematical model/ reverse engineering of the 
ERRest model.  Technically, multiple entries would simply be an array or 
dictionary of the entries in question.   Thus, the multiple entries could 
entail a façade on the entities representing the entries in question.  

An alternative I have toyed with is a second app that provides query space 
based on domain relational calculus (restricted to the methods in ERD-Q / 
ERDKeys).

V/R,

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[mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On 
Behalf Of Fred Opims
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 12:30 PM
To: Mark Wardle
Cc: webobjects-dev
Subject: Re: ERRest: Multiple entries

Hi Marc!
Thank you very much for this response. I will try it and let you know !
Have a good week end !
Ruddy 

On Friday, August 28, 2015, Mark Wardle  wrote:


Hi Fred,

ERRest is just a set of convenience methods around direct actions. 

If you step through the code on how an update works, you could 
duplicate this to support multiple entries as you require.

So have a look at ERXRestRequestNode which gives you a format-agnostic 
tree of the body of the request. You could then manually parse that, iterate an 
array and then call the create method with the data.

@POST

@Path("/patients/{patient:Patient}/encounters/{encounter:Encounter}/forms")
public WOActionResults createFormAction(@PathParam("patient") Patient 
patient, @PathParam("encounter") Encounter encounter) {
if (ERXEOControlUtilities.eoEquals(patient, encounter.patient())) {
ERXRestRequestNode documentNode = requestNode();

so if I were expecting an array, I might do this

for (ERXRestRequestNode child : documentNode.children()) {
Object o = child.createObjectWithFilter(entityName, filter, 
restContext);
//…. etc
}


I haven’t tested this - typing in email not eclipse - but if you 
examine the source code for ERRest, you should be able to do what you want. It 
just looks like magic because of all of the convenience methods (e.g. create() 
method).


b/w


Mark



On 23 Aug 2015, at 21:08, Fred Opims  > wrote:




Hello!



I'm using ERRest  and  to create an entry, I'm using the POST 
HTTP method with JSON format.


For example, to create one entity User, I will execute the 
request with the following post in the body {"name":"Fred"} as shown in the 
image:







Is there a way to create multiple entries in one time ?
By multiples entries, i mean an array of the same object.


Let's say : 
{"name":"Freddy"},
{"name":"Eric"}
{"name":"Andre"}
...
{"name":"Pascal"}


I've tried to put the entries into an array but it does not 
work:
[{"name":"Freddy"},{"name":"Eric"},{"name":"Andre"}]


How can I create 100 Users entities in one time ?


Thank you.


Fred
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RE: Gradle and Eclipse

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Hi gang,
For those of us not cool enough to come, do you have a podcast or something to 
enlighten us on Gradle?Also, do you have solutions for the highly security 
conscious, or at least those who have to stay out of trouble and want to be 
cool.

V/R,

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Computer Scientist
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From: webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com 
[mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On 
Behalf Of Yoann Canal
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 1:52 AM
To: Dennis Bliefernicht; WebObjects Development
Subject: Re: Gradle and Eclipse

Hi Dennis and thanks for your reply.

On 11/08/15 08:49, Dennis Bliefernicht wrote:


Hi, 


On 10 Aug 2015, at 16:25, Yoann Canal  
mailto:yca...@sophiacom.fr yca...@sophiacom.fr wrote:

Hi all,

After the WOWODC and Dennis' talk, we started to migrate our 
build system to use gradle.
The build works well on our staging servers. We had to modify 
the gradle-wonder-plugin to fit our needs
and might issue a pull request if someone is interested.



Always welcome :-) Out of curiosity: what kind of changes?


- download woproject.jar only once instead of once per framework
- remove reference to nexus.xyrality.net
- remove postgres dependencies
- allow setting webobjectsVersion / wonderVersion before applying the plugin 
since automatically added frameworks will use the default versions otherwise

Some other stuff that would probably only be of interest to us:
- use a fixed name for the generated tar.gz to have a fixed archive URL in 
Jenkins
- don't resolve wounit dependencies since it gets outdated jars

You can take a look at https://github.com/Sophiacom/gradle-wonder-plugin for 
those changes.


However, we can't run the eclipse projects as generated with 
gradle:
projects are correctly imported and built, tests run fine but 
running the project itself inside eclipse with WOLips results in:

[2015-8-10 16:14:34 CEST] main Couldn't load properties file: 
/Users/ycanal/WebObjects.properties at path: /Users/ycanal
[2015-8-10 16:14:34 CEST] main Unable to initialize 
WOProperties for reason: Cannot find JavaWebObjects framework ! 
java.lang.IllegalStateException: Unable to locate the JavaWebObjects bundle
[2015-8-10 16:14:34 CEST] main A fatal exception occurred: 
WOApplication: Cannot be initialized.
[2015-8-10 16:14:34 CEST] main 
com.webobjects.foundation.NSForwardException [java.lang.IllegalStateException] 
Unable to locate the JavaWebObjects bundle:WOApplication: Cannot be 
initialized.
   at 
com.webobjects.appserver.WOApplication.init(WOApplication.java:918)
   at 
er.extensions.appserver.ajax.ERXAjaxApplication.init(ERXAjaxApplication.java:30)
   at 
er.extensions.appserver.ERXApplication.init(ERXApplication.java:1097)
   at 
fr.sophiacom.corason.foundation.appserver.COCoreApplication.init(COCoreApplication.java:22)
   at 
fr.sophiacom.app.NRApplication.init(NRApplication.java:19)
   at fr.sophiacom.app.Application.init(Application.java:30)
   at 
sun.reflect.NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance0(Native Method)
   at 
sun.reflect.NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance(NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.java:62)
   at 
sun.reflect.DelegatingConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance(DelegatingConstructorAccessorImpl.java:45)
   at 
java.lang.reflect.Constructor.newInstance(Constructor.java:422)
   at java.lang.Class.newInstance(Class.java:442)
   at 
com.webobjects.appserver.WOApplication.main(WOApplication.java:547)
   at 
er.extensions.appserver.ERXApplication.main(ERXApplication.java:866)
   at fr.sophiacom.app.Application.main(Application.java:25)
Caused by: java.lang.IllegalStateException: Unable to locate 
the JavaWebObjects bundle
   at 
com.webobjects.appserver.WOResourceManager.__getJavaWebObjectsResourceAsStream(WOResourceManager.java:131)
   at 
com.webobjects.appserver._private.WOProperties.initUserDefaultsKeys(WOProperties.java:317)
   at 
com.webobjects.appserver.WOApplication._initWOApp(WOApplication.java:5743)
   at 
com.webobjects.appserver.WOApplication.init(WOApplication.java:779)
   ... 13 more

Do you have any idea how to fix that ?
Right now we are still keeping our old .project / build.xml 
/.classpath but we would like 

RE: [OT] .Net goes Open Source

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Hi gang,
I seem to remember talk amongst the project wonder gang that we might actually 
refactor Wonder to use a pseudo-web-objects.   If looks like WO, smells like 
WO, but legally not WO could Wonder be the owner?

V/R,

Daniel Beatty, Ph.D., 
IEEE Certified Software Development Professional (CSDP)
Computer Scientist
Code 474300D
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China Lake, CA 93555
daniel.bea...@navy.mil
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-Original Message-
From: webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com 
[mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On 
Behalf Of Troy Lumasag
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 10:15 PM
To: webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com
Subject: Re: [OT] .Net goes Open Source

Hey guys,

What really are the problems - direct, impending or long term problems being as 
it is now?
I can recall these stated problems if I understood it correct:
1. porting issues(moving to future java versions) 2. single-threaded editing 
context - Must be a bottleneck problem for multiple instance setup?

Sorry if I'm being naive on my question haha

--Troy

On 2/5/2015 11:55 AM, Timothy Worman wrote:
 WebObjects is one of Apple’s weapons - it helps them be fluid and quick - 
 especially with the devs they have. Maybe open sourcing WO seems threatening 
 because it is a internal business advantage.

 Tim Worman
 UCLA GSEIS

 On Feb 4, 2015, at 4:59 PM, OC o...@ocs.cz wrote:

 On 5. 2. 2015, at 1:42, Hugi Thordarson h...@karlmenn.is wrote:
 Apple cares about money, not us.
 Oh, absolutely! Given the zilliards Apple charges for WebObjects licences... 
 oh, wait.

 Actually I just don't get it -- for long long years I don't get it at all.

 (i) first, they seriously cripple the world's best web application framework 
 by cutting out the ObjC support, leaving it Java-only, and thus 
 half-unusable.

 (ii) then they stop bundling it.

 (iii) then they stop supporting it at all.

 All right, I can see after (i) they could hardly charge any money for 
 licencing, whilst the support price would skyrocket; but why on earth not 
 put it to open source at the same moment?!?

 The same company who is known to put _lots_ of pretty interesting things to 
 public (see Darwin).

 Oh, sigh.

 About the only (dumb and conspirational) theory I can think of is 
 that were the sources open, hacking App Store would get the usual 
 'varsity freaks pastime :)

 - hugi



 http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2015/02/03/coreclr-is-now-op
 en-source.aspx

 The github is here

 https://github.com/dotnet/coreclr

 It’s a shame Apple never did the same with WO.

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RE: [OT] .Net goes Open Source

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Greetings gang,
What would it take to get GNUWebStep up to the glory it once knew under 
NeXTStep?  

V/R,

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[mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On 
Behalf Of Pascal Robert
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 2:26 AM
To: OC
Cc: WebObjects Development
Subject: Re: [OT] .Net goes Open Source


 Le 2015-02-05 à 02:55, OC o...@ocs.cz a écrit :
 
 On 5. 2. 2015, at 7:14, Troy Lumasag tluma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 What really are the problems - direct, impending or long term problems being 
 as it is now?
 I can recall these stated problems if I understood it correct:
 
 0. no ObjC support. To get at least a remotely similar productivity, I've 
 successfully managed to use Groovy with WO, but still it is a royal PITA; 
 whilst Groovy is worlds better than Java, it's still far from ObjC.

Use GNUWebStep if you want ObjC.

 1. porting issues(moving to future java versions) 2. single-threaded 
 editing context - Must be a bottleneck problem for multiple instance setup?
 
 3. weird bugs the source of which it is quite difficult to find, 
 without having an access to sources (or a support who has). I'm still 
 rather anxious about the Case of Mysteriously Deleted EOs, see 
 http://prod.lists.apple.com/archives/webobjects-dev/2014/Nov/msg00163.
 html
 
 Sorry if I'm being naive on my question haha
 
 --Troy
 
 On 2/5/2015 11:55 AM, Timothy Worman wrote:
 WebObjects is one of Apple’s weapons - it helps them be fluid and quick - 
 especially with the devs they have. Maybe open sourcing WO seems 
 threatening because it is a internal business advantage.
 
 Tim Worman
 UCLA GSEIS
 
 On Feb 4, 2015, at 4:59 PM, OC o...@ocs.cz wrote:
 
 On 5. 2. 2015, at 1:42, Hugi Thordarson h...@karlmenn.is wrote:
 Apple cares about money, not us.
 Oh, absolutely! Given the zilliards Apple charges for WebObjects 
 licences... oh, wait.
 
 Actually I just don't get it -- for long long years I don't get it at all.
 
 (i) first, they seriously cripple the world's best web application 
 framework by cutting out the ObjC support, leaving it Java-only, and thus 
 half-unusable.
 
 (ii) then they stop bundling it.
 
 (iii) then they stop supporting it at all.
 
 All right, I can see after (i) they could hardly charge any money for 
 licencing, whilst the support price would skyrocket; but why on earth not 
 put it to open source at the same moment?!?
 
 The same company who is known to put _lots_ of pretty interesting things 
 to public (see Darwin).
 
 Oh, sigh.
 
 About the only (dumb and conspirational) theory I can think of is 
 that were the sources open, hacking App Store would get the usual 
 'varsity freaks pastime :)
 
 - hugi
 
 
 
 http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2015/02/03/coreclr-is-now-
 open-source.aspx
 
 The github is here
 
 https://github.com/dotnet/coreclr
 
 It’s a shame Apple never did the same with WO.
 
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RE: [OT] .Net goes Open Source

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Hi Pascal,
I did suggest it at WOWODC 2011 about using collaborative channel that would 
enable governments to save face.  While it might be a huge undertaking for 
the Navy, the U.S. National Science Foundation is another story.  If I recall, 
they do recognize contributions from private companies within allied countries, 
Canada included.   Also, last I checked Chuck has dual citizenship.

V/R,

Daniel Beatty, Ph.D., 
IEEE Certified Software Development Professional (CSDP)
Computer Scientist
Code 474300D
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China Lake, CA 93555
daniel.bea...@navy.mil
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-Original Message-
From: webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com 
[mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On 
Behalf Of Pascal Robert
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 1:58 PM
To: Chuck Hill
Cc: webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com
Subject: Re: [OT] .Net goes Open Source

And no leadership. Also, at WOWODC 2014, almost everyone said that they are 
using their own forks.




De: Chuck Hill ch...@gevityinc.com
À: Ken Anderson kenli...@anderhome.com, Pascal Robert prob...@macti.ca
Cc: webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com
Envoyé: Jeudi 5 Février 2015 16:42:00
Objet: Re: [OT] .Net goes Open Source


I think he means there have not been a lot of new additions or work done on it 
lately.



On 2015-02-05, 1:13 PM, Ken Anderson wrote:


Nobody cares about WOnder anymore?  You feeling OK Pascal? 

On Feb 5, 2015, at 4:11 PM, Pascal Robert prob...@macti.ca wrote:


I guess it will be in the not-very-open TreasureBoard. Nobody 
cares about Wonder anymore.

- Mail original -
De: Daniel D CIV NAVAIR Beatty, 474300D 
daniel.bea...@navy.mil
À: webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com 
webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com
Envoyé: Jeudi 5 Février 2015 16:07:11
Objet: RE: [OT] .Net goes Open Source

Hi gang,
I seem to remember talk amongst the project wonder gang that we 
might actually refactor Wonder to use a pseudo-web-objects.   If looks like WO, 
smells like WO, but legally not WO could Wonder be the owner?

V/R,

Daniel Beatty, Ph.D., 
IEEE Certified Software Development Professional (CSDP)
Computer Scientist
Code 474300D
1 Administration Circle. M/S 1109
China Lake, CA 93555
daniel.bea...@navy.mil
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-Original Message-
From: 
webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com 
mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com  
[mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On 
Behalf Of Troy Lumasag
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 10:15 PM
To: webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com
Subject: Re: [OT] .Net goes Open Source

Hey guys,

What really are the problems - direct, impending or long term 
problems being as it is now?
I can recall these stated problems if I understood it correct:
1. porting issues(moving to future java versions) 2. 
single-threaded editing context - Must be a bottleneck problem for multiple 
instance setup?

Sorry if I'm being naive on my question haha

--Troy

On 2/5/2015 11:55 AM, Timothy Worman wrote:


WebObjects is one of Apple’s weapons - it helps them be 
fluid and quick - especially with the devs they have. Maybe open sourcing WO 
seems threatening because it is a internal business advantage.

Tim Worman
UCLA GSEIS



On Feb 4, 2015, at 4:59 PM, OC o...@ocs.cz 
wrote:

On 5. 2. 2015, at 1:42, Hugi Thordarson 
h...@karlmenn.is wrote:


Apple cares about money, not us.


Oh, absolutely! Given the zilliards Apple 
charges for WebObjects licences... oh, wait.

Actually I just don't get it -- for long long 
years I don't get it at all.

(i) first, they seriously cripple the world's 
best web application framework by cutting out the ObjC 

RE: WOWODC 2015

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Hi gang,
Well Klaus has a point.  It does take hiring pockets to promote things.

V/R,

Daniel Beatty, Ph.D., 
IEEE Certified Software Development Professional (CSDP)
Computer Scientist
Code 474300D
1 Administration Circle. M/S 1109
China Lake, CA 93555
daniel.bea...@navy.mil
(760)939-7097 




-Original Message-
From: webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com 
[mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On 
Behalf Of Klaus Berkling
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 8:02 AM
To: WebObjects Development
Subject: Re: WOWODC 2015


On Jan 20, 2015, at 7:31 AM, Pascal Robert prob...@macti.ca wrote:


So far, only one organization in the US answered the annual survey, so 
I guess all North America dudes either moved away from WO, or are now working 
for Apple...



If I want to work it means no WO.  I couldn't find work doing WO, but it's a 
bit odd that I had no problems finding work doing ASP MVC/C# with no prior 
experience.



kib

The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in 
it. 
Neil deGrasse Tyson


Klaus Berkling
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RE: little off topic, need help understand a recursive call

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Hi Theo,
Ramsey has a very valid point.  The notion of recursion is best modeled by its 
automata representations.  It takes a while in most computer science curricula 
for students mature enough to grasp the mathematics, but you are physicist so I 
think you could dive on in.  It may be a struggle at first, but it is a worthy 
study.  Like many relations between math and physics, the theory of computation 
often presses against external states not included in simple models.

One can draw out the isNumber method using the rules of a finite state 
automata.  Since most OO languages including Java use a stack to manage 
recursive calls, the machine is a recursive  push down automata.As Ramsey 
said, the states imposed on that stack by Java's Virtual Machine and runtime is 
a matter that has to be either acquired by papers or empirical evidence. 

V/R,

Daniel Beatty, Ph.D., 
IEEE Certified Software Development Professional (CSDP)
Computer Scientist
Code 474300D
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-Original Message-
From: webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com 
[mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On 
Behalf Of Ramsey Gurley
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 8:46 AM
To: Theodore Petrosky
Cc: WebObjects-Dev
Subject: Re: little off topic, need help understand a recursive call

Learning new things from new languages is fascinating. Trying to apply this 
knowledge in the language you know doesn’t always go so well though. What 
happens if you give isNumber a really really long string? Stack overflow :-/ 
Recursion is not one of Java’s strengths.

If you want a really fast isNumber and you’re only looking for chars ‘0’ thru 
‘9', have a look at ERXStringUtilities.luhnCheck. Treating your chars as ints 
is the fastest way I’ve found to determine isNumber. It is orders of magnitude 
faster than Character.isDigit.

On Nov 12, 2014, at 4:32 AM, Theodore Petrosky tedp...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I am trying like mad to learn more. So I have decided to put time into 
 Recursive algorithms. I do not want to start a conversation whether or not 
 one should or should not use recursion in this example. That is a 
 conversation for another day. I don’t believe that using it here will impact 
 the app at all.
 
 As an experiment I am trying to use one in my validation method. Would one of 
 you great minds take a look at this. It works, but I feel I am jumping 
 through too many hoops. This is my first attempt so have a little pity:
 
   
   public String validateHeight(String value) throws ValidationException {
   value = value.trim();
 
   if (!isNumber(value)) {
   throw new ValidationException(There can be only 
 numbers in the Height field! (value was  + value +));
   }
   return value;
   }
 
   private boolean isNumber(String stringToCheck) {
   if (stringToCheck.length() == 0) return true;
   if (!Character.isDigit(stringToCheck.charAt(0))) return false;
   return isNumber(stringToCheck.substring(1, 
 stringToCheck.length()));
   }
 
 
 My desire is to get better at this and learning recursion is very important. 
 Also, when I look at other people’s code, there are times that there are 
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RE: Java Certificates applying to WebObjects

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Hi John, 
For the development phase itself, self-signed might be enough for test 
purposes.  Obviously, production is a different story.  However, when a product 
of mine has reached a product state it should have a program of record which 
is directly connected to the USG, which is supposed to supply the certificate 
itself.  

However, the only certificates I have worked with pertaining to WebObjects is 
the web server's HTTPS certificate.  Usually, I follow the directions for 
Apache or the native distribution there of (example: Mac OSX Servers over the 
years).There is a mandate coming down from on high regarding the 
application itself.  

The mandated action seems kind of like a developer for an Apple Mac/iOS app 
including their developer certificate to get their product on the Apple store.  
  However, jumping from academia to government, the jump opted me out of that 
activity.  (Although, they will let me take leave without pay to work for a 
company like a Wonder company).

So can Jenkins put the certificate anywhere on a build?  Do I need special 
instructions with ant to tell Jenkins to pick up a production certificate (as 
opposed to DUD certificates) for builds that pass their tests?  What has been 
the community's experience with this?

Is there any special issues for Oracle 7/8 running on MS Windows Server 
2008-2012R2?  

In any case, thank you for your indulgence on the question.  

V/R,

Daniel Beatty, Ph.D., 
IEEE Certified Software Development Professional (CSDP)
Computer Scientist
Code 474300D
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From: webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com 
[mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On 
Behalf Of John Pollard
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 1:42 AM
To: webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com
Subject: Re: Java Certificates applying to WebObjects

Daniel,

If this is a Java Code Signing certificate, we use Tucows 
https://author.tucows.com/ to buy a Comodo certificate which cost $195 for a 3 
year renewal last time round. If you need more info, let me know and feel free 
to email off list on this one.

John

 On 5 Nov 2014, at 16:41, Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D 
 daniel.bea...@navy.mil wrote:
 
 Greetings gang,
 Has any of you had any experience with a client that need a certificate for 
 WebObjects to tell the JRE that it is safe to run?It seems that I have 
 some requirements coming down saying that side from the certificate for the 
 web site (HTTPS) itself, there also needs to be a certificate for the JRE, 
 similar to Apple's developer certificate with its sandbox technology.  
 
 If so, does anyone have a procedure that we can follow.
 
 V/R,
 Daniel Beatty, Ph.D.,
 IEEE Certified Software Development Professional (CSDP) Computer 
 Scientist Code 474300D
 1 Administration Circle. M/S 1109
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Java Certificates applying to WebObjects

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Greetings gang,
Has any of you had any experience with a client that need a certificate for 
WebObjects to tell the JRE that it is safe to run?It seems that I have some 
requirements coming down saying that side from the certificate for the web site 
(HTTPS) itself, there also needs to be a certificate for the JRE, similar to 
Apple's developer certificate with its sandbox technology.  

If so, does anyone have a procedure that we can follow.

V/R,
Daniel Beatty, Ph.D., 
IEEE Certified Software Development Professional (CSDP)
Computer Scientist
Code 474300D
1 Administration Circle. M/S 1109
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RE: Eclipse Luna (4.4.1) and WOLips: so close

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Hi gang, 
If I were still in academia I would jump at this.  The trick for me is to have 
the blessings from upstairs such that we can claim it as a non-conflict of 
interest job and just execute.   Even a blessing from upstairs saying it is 
for the public good, and benefit for the nation, etc.  

V/R,

Daniel Beatty, Ph.D., 
IEEE Certified Software Development Professional (CSDP)
Computer Scientist
Code 474300D
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-Original Message-
From: webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com 
[mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On 
Behalf Of Ken Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 8:09 AM
To: Stefan Klein
Cc: webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com
Subject: Re: Eclipse Luna (4.4.1) and WOLips: so close

This is great Stefan, hopefully it will allow more people to get involved!


On Oct 21, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Stefan Klein stefan.kl...@buero-sde.de 
wrote:

Just as a reminder:

under https://github.com/swklein/wolips you can find a fork of wolips.
This fork is prepared for developing wolips in Eclipse 4.4.
In the README.md is a short description how to install and debug the 
wolips project.

Till now there is only one comment from Wolfy.

Stefan

Am 07.10.14 um 20:05 schrieb Wolfgang Halbeisen:


Hy,

After downloading a current version of eclipse (Eclipse IDE 
for Eclipse Committers 4.4.1) you don't need to install m2e, as it is already 
included per default.

After building wolips with your instructions, I've tested it 
with Eclipse IDE for Java EE Developers. (I've installed the build of wolips 
over a local update-site.)

After installation I've tested following features and they are 
all working for me:
* modify the eomodol of an existing project
 ** add new entity
 ** add new attrbute
 ** change attribute
 ** link entities
* eogenerate with the changes of the model
* modify a wocomponent (to check if validation is working)
* Switching files with the WOLips Related-Part (to switch 
between Java-Files and WOComponent-Files)
* add a new wocomponent with the wizard
* refactor - rename-wocomponent
* wizards
 ** create wonder-application
 ** create wonder-framework

It would be nice to have a list of all features of wolips to 
test if everything is working fine after some changes on the wolips-project. My 
list should be a start for the complete list of features. Maybe the complete 
list of features could be included in the Readme of the wolips-project. 
(This list were my tests after the migration of wolips to 
eclipse 4.4.)

Greetz, Wolfy




Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 11:40:08 +0200
From: stefan.kl...@buero-sde.de
To: webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com
Subject: Re: Eclipse 4.4 support for WOLips


Hi List,

under https://github.com/swklein/wolips you can find a fork of 
wolips.
This fork is prepared for developing wolips in Eclipse 4.4.
In the README.md is a short description how to install and 
debug the wolips project.

Please let me know if this is useful for you and if I should 
create a pull request to wolips master.

Stefan



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RE: WO app to Draw

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Hi gang,
I have done some work on this while back.  We did it making an environment 
similar to the tuple spaces on IBM.We had WO compare using the ORM in EO to 
supply a simplified form of Tuple Relational Calculus.   Essentially, they were 
the same model in both cases.  

In case, it was one fun way to learn WebObjects back in the day.

V/R,

Daniel Beatty, Ph.D., 
IEEE Certified Software Development Professional (CSDP)
Computer Scientist
Code 474300D
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China Lake, CA 93555
daniel.bea...@navy.mil
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From: webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com 
[mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On 
Behalf Of Thomas Grass
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 12:49 PM
To: Calven Eggert
Cc: webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com Development
Subject: Re: WO app to Draw

Hi Calven,
i never did this before, but if i would code something like this, i would try 
to do it with javascript (jQuery or something similar).

Grabing what the user draws on canvas or something and draw this with jQuery on 
the canvas. Then you are able write the input of the user on a WOHiddenField 
which is bound to your Javaclass. Then you are able to store the input of the 
user to the database.

Something like that. But that’s just a short „think-about-it“, i did not 
similar in past.

Thomas




Am 17.06.2014 um 21:45 schrieb Calven Eggert cal...@mac.com:

 Anyone know how to write a WO app to allow the user to draw notes using a 
 stylus in a browser, capture the image and then use WO to store the image in 
 a database?
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RE: Which RIA

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Hi Aaron, Frank, and gang,
What I found out with GWT when I was using it for my dissertation is that 
Wonder has two channels that tend to be handy with GWT.  First is the ReST 
approach and second is the AJAX frameworks.

With the AJAX frameworks, there is a tricky issue with hooks provided in the 
GWT frameworks for acquiring other JavaScript objects.The trick in this 
case is to make a run-time bind the GWT component to the JS provided in 
Wonder's implementation of AJAX.  The other binding goes to the parent AJAX 
object running in the browser.

The other approach is to bind to ERRest verbs via the standard XMLHttpRequest, 
which GWT inherits from AJAX.   Now, I adopted use of OGF's DFDL standard to 
tell my GWT objects what to expect from ERRest.  Also, the ReST based objects 
observe the same run-time binding as do their WO-AJAX counter-parts.  

I found that there is a trade-off in efficiency between the two approaches.  
The Wonder AJAX can carry the same info as OGF's DFDL, and load straight from 
the Wonder app.  Whereas the DFDL approach either forces a special DFDL Wonder 
app or at least a binding to the Wonder app of some sort.

At one point, I was planning on augmenting Marcus' book or simply adding a 
volume to it on the subject of Wonder with GWT.   

The major advantage of GWT as I see it is not with the learning curve.  Rather, 
the idea is to have a compiler that knows the quirks of each web browser 
targeted.  Some web browsers comply well with standards and others don't.  An 
easy habit to fall into with raw AJAX is to concentrate only on one browser, 
and fail when it comes any other browser the user may choose.  With GWT, 
handling those quirks is an inherited trait.

That being said, I hope also to learn up on Beniot's Montage. It looks pretty 
exciting.  It may offer even better frameworks than GWT, but I can't say for 
sure at this time.  The trials will tell.

Any who, that is my two cents on the subject.   I hope to publish a copy of my 
dissertation for the public soon.  I probably need to include an appendix with 
a tutorial on GWT with Wonder.

V/R,

Daniel Beatty, Ph.D., 
IEEE Certified Software Development Professional (CSDP)
Computer Scientist
Code 474300D
1 Administration Circle. M/S 1109
China Lake, CA 93555
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From: webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com 
[mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On 
Behalf Of Aaron Rosenzweig
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 8:30 PM
To: Frank Stock
Cc: webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com Development
Subject: Re: Which RIA

Hello Frank and others,

It's tough isn't it? There's a lot of stuff out there.

I didn't know about Vaadin but I watched their video and thought. how is this 
different than Google Web Toolkit? You spend all of your time in pure java but 
the Javascript Ajax stuff is built for you. so you don't have to really learn 
JS and have that context switch in your head. Sounds good, I guess. and Vaadin 
is built on top of GWT. but then what is it really doing above and beyond GWT? 
I don't know, I didn't look at it further. 

I can't help but think that anything based on GWT gives someone an initial bang 
for the buck just because if they know Java that's all they have to worry 
about. But at some point you'll hit a wall and not be able to do something cool 
in the browser that you want to do. not without learning JS and extra work. I 
also don't think GWT was truly designed with Mobile in mind. Notice the word 
truly. 

Frank, it's really up to you. Spend some time to experiment, give yourself two 
weeks or so, and make your best guess. This is a religious decision, it always 
is. 

Personally I'd suggest you communicate over REST with something like ERRest. 
Pick a good Javascript library that makes sense to you.

When I look at it all there are two main camps:

1) HTML based page-to-page Javascript frameworks
a) Fast to learn
b) Pretty and looks nice (at first)
c) Unfortunately becomes hard to maintain over time and very brittle

2) Single page app non-HTML Javascript frameworks
a) Large learning curve
b) Pretty and performant
c) Feels like writing a true application, easy to maintain and extend over time.

Mojo was the preliminary example of a JS framework that adhered to #1. Not 
many people know about it but it was the way to write apps for the WebOS phones 
like the Palm Pre. There are many other frameworks that work in almost the same 
way, the most famous is JQuery-Mobile. It has been proven that this is *not* 
the way to long term sanity. It is a short term *win* or a cool way to make a 
mobile app in a weekend but it will bite you over time. Because of this Palm 
completely dropped Mojo.

JO was the first real example that resonated with me of a JS framework that 
adhered to #2. It is so nice to write an app in javascript. It generates the 
HTML for you, all you have to think about is your business 

RE: What stands in the way becomes the way

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Hi gang,
Well, it would be really awesome if I could the GSA in the USA to get me a 
setup like Aaron's.  The best I could do to support something like WOWODC is 
work it for Las Vegas.  Between Tim and myself, we may very well be the closest 
to sin city.

V/R,


Daniel D. Beatty, Ph.D., CSDP
Senior Computer Scientist,
Detonation Sciences Branch- NAWCWD
1 Administration Circle M/S 1109
China Lake, CA 93555
(760)939-7097
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From: webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com 
[webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] on behalf of 
Louis Demers [louisdem...@mac.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 12:00 PM
To: Pascal Robert
Cc: WebObjects-Dev List
Subject: Re: What stands in the way becomes the way

If you don't mind traveling, I'm sure we could take turn in offering you refuge 
in between WOWODCs


On Apr 16, 2014, at 14:29, Pascal Robert prob...@macti.ca wrote:

 I'm gonna get kill, but I have said at WOWODC this year that I'm willing to 
 organize it in Montreal again, as long as I'm not presenting (beside the 
 State of the Community presentation, it takes 15 minutes to prepare) and we 
 have the event manager.

 De: Ken Anderson kenli...@anderhome.com
 À: Timothy Worman li...@thetimmy.com
 Cc: WebObjects-Dev List webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com
 Envoyé: Mercredi 16 Avril 2014 14:20:14
 Objet: Re: What stands in the way becomes the way

 There will be another, and who knows?  Maybe someone in Montreal will pick up 
 the torch!

 On Apr 16, 2014, at 12:45 PM, Timothy Worman li...@thetimmy.com wrote:

 I will always be disappointed that I didn’t get to make a WOWODC in Montreal. 
 Awesome community. I’m hoping I’ll still have an opportunity to attend 
 something with WO’ers. This truly IS a great community.

 Tim
 UCLA GSEIS

 On Apr 15, 2014, at 11:54 PM, Dev WO webobje...@anazys.com wrote:

 Hi Aaron,

 You did find something nice coming from France, lucky you:)

 I was just telling my wife that I'd like to test that setup and I got you're 
 fat enough, no way in response;) So guess I won't buy that French product 
 for the foreseeable future.

 WOWODC is clearly my best conference/community/favorite people, wherever will 
 be next year, I'm in.

 Xavier




 Hi Dan,

 I got it from the “Healthy Back Store” so I guess it’s ok ;-) I spend most of 
 my time in the “zero gravity” position.

 It’s kinda funny when you video conference with me. It looks like I’m on the 
 space station.

 Hahah, sometimes when people come to service the furnace, etc. they assume 
 I’m a vegetable. They have that look of pity on their face you know. Usually 
 I just go with it, have some fun.

 Actually, sometimes I move the chair and adjust the arm to use it as a 
 standing desk. Variation can be good.

 It comes from France, the brand is “La Fuma.” It should run around $150 USD. 
 It is meant to be an outdoor chair but I use it indoors. It’s a folding chair 
 that can be moved out of the way or taken with you. The “lacing” breaks every 
 6 months from daily use. It’s like a long shoe-lace.

 It’s basically the poor man’s gravitonus:
 http://gravitonus.com
 AARON ROSENZWEIG / Chat 'n Bike
 e:  aa...@chatnbike.com  t:  (301) 956-2319


 On Apr 15, 2014, at 10:15 PM, Daniel Beatty danielbea...@mac.com wrote:

 Hi,
 I love the chair Aaron has in the picture.  If you don't mind me asking, how 
 is it for the back?  Do they make versions of that chair for people with 
 really bad backs with an addiction to WebObjects and WOnder?

 V/R,
 Dan Beatty

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RE: Multiple ERAttachment Databases

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Hi Chuck and Dave,
Good to hear from you again, Chuck.  I think I may be on to something.  I hope 
to make publication in time for things like WOWODC or what ever we are calling 
it these days.

V/R,

Daniel D. Beatty, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist,
Detonation Sciences Branch- NAWCWD
1 Administration Circle M/S 1109
China Lake, CA 93555
(760)939-7097
daniel.bea...@navy.mil




From: webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com 
[webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] on behalf of 
Chuck Hill [ch...@global-village.net]
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 12:45 PM
To: David Avendasora; WebObjects-Dev Mailing List List
Subject: Re: Multiple ERAttachment Databases

There should be no problem with cloning and modifying the model when the app 
loads.  I have NFI about ERAttachment.

Chuck


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On 1/13/2014, 6:43 AM, David Avendasora wrote:

Hi all,

I’m working on a project that needs to have a separate, independent 
ERAttachment setup. What I mean is that the project is already using 
ERAttachment for a few things, but now I have a need for all of ERAttachment’s 
functionality, only storing all the meta-data and even db-based attachments in 
a completely different database than where the existing attachments are stored.

I have done exactly this before by forking ERAttachment into a new 
DaveAttachment Framework. All the existing attachments worked using the stock 
ERAttachment framework, but the new attachments were managed by DaveAttachment, 
but that is long-term code management PITA.

I’m wondering if it would it be possible enable ERAttachment to use multiple 
data-stores by programmatically cloning the ERAttachment EOModel at startup and 
creating a new EOModel for each “data-store” with independent Entity names as 
configured by properties?

If you only have one data-store (the current functionality) then ERAttachment 
would continue to work as-is, but if you specify multiple data-stores in the 
properties, that would trigger the programatic creation and loading of the 
additional models?

Does anyone see anything that I’m missing that would not allow this?

Thanks!

Dave


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RE: ERRest security

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Hi Michael,
Pascal is right in the fact that the web server is typically the first line of 
defense.  That said, most of the web server's defenses include headers that you 
can read.  

I prefer things like SAML2, Grid Certificates, Kerberos, etc.  This enables 
people better qualified to verify the personal issues to simply tell ERRest are 
they telling the truth.

V/R,
Dan Beatty

-Original Message-
From: webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com 
[mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On 
Behalf Of Pascal Robert
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 5:39 AM
To: Michael Kondratov
Cc: WebObjects Development
Subject: Re: ERRest security

Nothing special. It's just plain HTTP, so the usual stuff applies: SSL, 
security in Apache (mod_security or other module), Digest auth, tokens, etc.

- Mail original -
De: Michael Kondratov mich...@aspireauctions.com
À: WebObjects Development webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com
Envoyé: Mercredi 4 Décembre 2013 21:54:43
Objet: ERRest security

Does any one on the list have much experience with ERRest security. I am 
worried about possible injection DDoS attacks etc. Any pointers?

Michael Kondratov
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RE: Postgresql connection issue

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Hi,
I have one stupid question.  So is this supposed to be a recipe to use the 
native Postgresql is now in OSX?  I remember back Tiger through Snow Leopard 
that the one blessing that came with MySQL was the fact that it was native to 
the system.

While I could make environment I did chose in my academic days, I still had to 
eat and sell the idea grant sources.   Despite popularity of Linux, OSX made a 
good out of the box case for minimalist deployment and low maintenance.  For 
small organizations, this was that had to content with big brother this was 
appealing for many reasons.  Apple provided support far cheaper than the 
employment of multiple men/women per organization, the distribution was cheap, 
and the student labor was cheap.

Postgresql was highly evangelized even then.  Now that it is native DB in the 
server,  is just as good to from a simplicity stand point to make the recipe 
use the native?  I noticed the Postgresql.app approach in the chain also.

Thus, I could use some expertise on both approaches.  Often we deploy with 
Linux or whatever we can ship to the cloud, economically.  If OSX happens to be 
a economic deployment or development environment, then what are pros and cons.  
Bottom line, I have been out of the loop for a while.  It would be helpful for 
the keep-up issue, and that kind of thing is a blessing.

V/R,

Daniel D. Beatty, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist,
Detonation Sciences Branch- NAWCWD
1 Adminstration Circle M/S 1109
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From: webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com 
[webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] on behalf of 
Joe Kramer [jkmarti...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 1:13 AM
To: Theodore Petrosky
Cc: WebObjects Development
Subject: Re: Postgresql connection issue

Hello all,

Thank you to everyone, especially Ted, for all the help to get my dev 
environment set up. Some combination of re-installing PostgreSQL, adjusting my 
PATH variable, grumbling/shaking my fists in anger, setting default DB 
connection variables in my properties file, and/or re-adding all the necessary 
frameworks to my build path has done the trick and things seem to be in order. 
Personally I think it was all the grumbling. But in all seriousness, I can't 
say enough good things about the fine folks on this list. I have been lurking 
on the list for years with very little opportunity to use WO, but I always know 
I can come to this list if (when) I get into a bind. Thanks so much!

Regards,

Joe



On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Theodore Petrosky 
tedp...@yahoo.commailto:tedp...@yahoo.com wrote:
well yes and no!   ARD uses postgresql on all versions of OS X. this is what 
causes the conflict as it listens on port 5432 also.

although this link refers to Lion, I found the same issue on Mountain Lion

http://joneslee85.wordpress.com/2011/10/27/fix-postgres-permission-denied-issue-on-osx-lion/





On Nov 15, 2013, at 10:03 AM, Þór Sigurðsson 
th...@samgongustofa.ismailto:th...@samgongustofa.is wrote:

 Only 10.8 server has a postgres installation - not the client.

 The path isn't required for connectivity - only that the machine is listening 
 on localhost:5432 (which is the default for Postgres93.app )

 On 15.11.2013, at 14:58, Theodore Petrosky 
 tedp...@yahoo.commailto:tedp...@yahoo.com wrote:

 one of the problems I ran into with Postgresql and 10.8 os x was the path. 
 OS X has an installation of postgresql so you need to make sure the path to 
 the Postgresql.app is the first in the environment.



 export PATH=/Applications/Postgres93.app/Contents/MacOS/bin:$PATH

 copy and paste this into a terminal session and see if it helps. if yes, add 
 this to your .bash_profile.

 Ted


 On Nov 13, 2013, at 3:11 AM, Þór Sigurðsson 
 th...@samgongustofa.ismailto:th...@samgongustofa.is wrote:


 Exactly as Ramsey said - although if your database IS in fact on a remote 
 machine, you would not want trust, since that would imply anybody could
 connect as anybody to any database.

 If your database is mybase and your database user is myuser and your 
 development machine is 192.168.0.100, then your line ought to be something 
 like:

 hostmybase  myuser  192.168.0.100/32http://192.168.0.100/32  md5

 Only use a trust relationship if the server doesn't allow user logins or 
 the users logging in are truly trusted, and then only for 
 127.0.0.1/8http://127.0.0.1/8 :)

 - however

 If your database happens to be on your _local_ machine (same as your 
 development/deployment) - like the Postgres.app for Mac OS X, then 
 something else is amuck.

 One thing that comes to mind - does your database actually exist?

 psql -l

 lists the databases

 IF the database you expect to use doesn't exist, of course there will be no 
 connection - so, if the database doesn't exist, I'll presume that the user 
 doesn't exist either. In that case, you'll need 

RE: centos 6.2 - pulling my hair out (PARTIALLY SOLVED)

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Hi gang, 
I know it is not a matter of it, but a rather of when.   Thus, when one of us 
gets such a CentOS 6.2 WO template working, could we make such a thing for the 
cloud distributers, like TurnKey Linux and their competitors?  We will thank ye 
giants properly, when we can make to the same tavern to buy  you a pint.  Until 
then, I hope that an email word of gratitude will do.

V/R,

Daniel Beatty, Ph.D.
Computer Scientist
Code 474300D
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[mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On 
Behalf Of Nilton Lessa
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 10:25 AM
To: Chuck Hill
Cc: WebObjects Apple
Subject: Re: centos 6.2 - pulling my hair out (PARTIALLY SOLVED)

Hi Chuck, Tim, 

Yes, the apps really don't start. I triple checked permissions and only for 
testing set all of the contents of /opr/local and opt/Library to 777.

Do you recommend a way to debug when and if SpawnOfWotaskd.sh is called by 
wotaskd? The point is that nothing is written to SpawnOfWotaskd.log also.

here its is my SpawnOfWotaskd.sh (inside wotaskd.woa/Contents/Resources/

#$@ 1/dev/null 21 
LOG=/opt/Library/WebObjects/Logs/SpawnOfWotaskd.log
echo  ${LOG}
echo date: `date` ${LOG}
echo args: $@ ${LOG}
$@ 1${LOG} 21 

I already set the /etc/WebObjects/Properties . Must I specify this path in any 
config file? Is there any way to debug if these hosts information is being 
used? I tried to start the wotaskd with 
-log4j.logger.er.extensions.fixes.ERSharedEOLoader DEBUG to have some clues but 
couln't get it...

My /etc/hosts is set also with the IP , like this:
# Do not remove the following line, or various programs # that require network 
functionality will fail.
127.0.0.1   PROXY-MO-IDEIAS002 localhost.localdomain localhost
::1 localhost6.localdomain6 localhost 6
10.128.132.97   PROXY-MO-IDEIAS002

All the other things seems to run fine: SiteConfig.xml propagated fine in apps 
servers; WOConfig.xml saved correctly in proxy server; communication betwwen 
proxy and apps servers seems OK weel by the logs of JavaMonitor and wotaskd...

Thank you again for your help!

Nilton

On 04/09/2013, at 23:53, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote:

 Do the apps really not start, or is it that JavaMonitor and wotaskd 
 can't see them?  If they are really not starting, look at 
 SpawnOfWotaskd.sh.  If they do start, look at the WOHost settings all 
 around.  Do the IP address have DNS names?  Do they resolve in reverse 
 correctly?
 
 
 Chuck
 
 
 
 
 On 13-09-04 6:20 PM, Nilton Lessa nle...@moleque.com.br wrote:
 
 Hi Tim,
 
 I am afraid I am suffering exactly the same problem you had: my apps 
 don't initiate. (i posted a description of the problem in a  recent 
 post and it really seems exactly the same problem you had). Could you 
 solve it? Hope so! :-)
 
 Cheers.
 
 Nilton
 On 08/05/2013, at 15:23, Tim Worman li...@thetimmy.com wrote:
 
 On May 8, 2013, at 11:16 AM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net
 wrote:
 
 
 On 2013-05-08, at 11:11 AM, Tim Worman wrote:
 
 OhŠ.myŠŠGod. Done. I had changed that Š.. and changed it back. So, 
 I'm only guilty of temporary insanity - as far as you know.
 
 :-)
 
 
 So, what do you make of the thing I raised about SpawnOfWotaskd.sh?
 Is what I suggested about the LOG path possible?
 
 It has been a while since I have done that, but I think it just 
 does not log.  You could test that...  :-)
 
 Very scared. :-) But I'll do it.
 
 Tim
 
 Chuck
 
 
 
 On May 8, 2013, at 10:53 AM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net
 wrote:
 
 This is sounding less painful now.  :-)
 
 Check the WO configuration for Apache:
 
 # Host List Configuration
 # wotaskd is started automatically on supported platforms, # so 
 this is the default mode.
 # The apache module gets its configuration from the wotaskds # 
 listed on the configuration line # For multiple hosts:
 # WebObjectsConfig
 http://name-of-a-host:port-on-a-host,http://name-of-another-
 host
 :port-on-a-host interval
 # For localhost:
 WebObjectsConfig http://localhost:1085 10
 
 
 Does that host name match what you used in WOHost?
 
 
 Chuck
 
 
 On 2013-05-08, at 10:50 AM, Tim Worman wrote:
 
 The app runs now but I get the dreaded The requested 
 application was not found on this server.
 
 for discussion - possible cause of the launch issue 
 SpawnOfWotaskd.sh has this:
 
 # Log messages will be written to:
 LOG=/Library/WebObjects/Logs
 
 That path does not exist on CentOS. The script tries to log to 
 that path when /tmp/logWebObjects exists. It will exist when 
 someone is trying to solve problems. Is there any chance that 
 when /tmp/logWebObjects exists, and Spawn tries to write to the 
 path (and
 can't) there could be a failure launching the app?
 
 I changed LOG assignment to 

RE: Facebook Login

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Hi gang,
I don't suppose I could talk you into making a little podcast cheat sheet for 
that?  While I do not see my current employer having the justification for such 
a thing, there is always the possibility of some nice guy (or gal) hiring me 
away.  Sooner or later, those good ideas are going to be needed by a lot of us.

V/R,

Daniel Beatty, Ph.D.
Computer Scientist
Code 474300D
1 Administration Circle. M/S 1109
China Lake, CA 93555
daniel.bea...@navy.mil
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-Original Message-
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[mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On 
Behalf Of Johnny Miller
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 5:05 PM
To: Amedeo Mantica
Cc: WebObjects Development
Subject: Re: Facebook Login

I would love to see that too please.


On Aug 26, 2013, at 1:03 PM, Amedeo Mantica amedeomant...@me.com wrote:

 Yes. I did.
 
 I would send you
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 27/ago/2013, at 00:35, Miguel Torres w...@toracom.net wrote:
 
 Hi list,
 
 Does anyone has any experience integrating Fecebook login to their 
 WebObjects applications that could share.
 
 Best regards.
 
 
 Miguel Torres
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Re: Any interest in WOWODC recordings on DVDs?

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Greetings Chuck,
No, he just wants his punch cards and stone tablets.  Can he stand on Mt.
Sinai with the law of WebObjects?  Well, that would be advertisement for us.

V/R,

Dan






On 2/13/13 10:04 AM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote:

 You have something against magnetic tape?

On 2013-02-13, at 9:53 AM, Lon
 Varscsak wrote:

 I want mine on 5 1/4 floppies.

 -Lon

 On Wed, Feb
 13, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Pascal Robert prob...@macti.ca wrote:

 Le
 2013-02-13 à 11:26, Theodore Petrosky tedp...@yahoo.com a écrit :


 did anyone mention $29 for the videos, $129 for the videos with transcriptions
 and table of contents.

 No way we can sell a decent branded 32 Gb USB
 stick for $29 while making a small profit. Yes, we need at least 24 Gb to be
 able to hold all the recordings since 2008.

 just an idea

 ---
 On Tue, 2/12/13, Ramsey Gurley rgur...@smarthealth.com wrote:


 From: Ramsey Gurley rgur...@smarthealth.com
 Subject: Re: Any interest
 in WOWODC recordings on DVDs?
 To: Pascal Robert prob...@macti.ca

 Cc: WebObjects Development webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com
 Date:
 Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 1:59 PM
 I can't imagine a DVD being
 worth
 much since it would low res everything down to VGA.
 Squinting
 at the screencasts are tough enough with
 compression artifacts on the
 text at regular
 resolution.  Plus all the time recompressing and

 burning... yick.

 Just put the files on a microSD card. Then
 everyone can
 watch them on their computer/tablet/phone.


 Ramsey

 On Feb 12, 2013, at 11:43 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:


 If we sell the WOWODC recordings on DVDs (as QuickTime
 movies, not
 as a movie DVD) to raise money for the
 Association, does any of you would
 buy it? I don't think we
 will add that option is only one or two guys
 requests it,
 hence the question.

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Re: Any interest in WOWODC recordings on DVDs?

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Isn't that in the Hammurabi code of something, thou shall not take the name
of chunk in vain.

Dan


On 2/13/13 11:53 AM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote:

 Eeew


On 2013-02-13, at 11:41 AM, Ken Anderson wrote:

 Stone tablets
 please.  I hear that digital media is at risk of degradation, and I want to
 watch Chuck Hill on my deathbed.

 On Feb 13, 2013, at 1:59 PM, James
 Cicenia ja...@jimijon.com wrote:


 BAH! Everyone knows EBCDIC will
 be the standard as no one gets fired for IBM?

 - j-

 On Feb 13,
 2013, at 12:06 PM, prob...@macti.ca wrote:

 We can ship the recordings
 as ASCII on a Vax 750.

 Envoyé de mon iPhone

 Le 2013-02-13 à
 13:05, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net a écrit :

 You have
 something against magnetic tape?

 On 2013-02-13, at 9:53 AM, Lon
 Varscsak wrote:

 I want mine on 5 1/4 floppies.


 -Lon

 On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Pascal Robert
 prob...@macti.ca wrote:

 Le 2013-02-13 à 11:26, Theodore
 Petrosky tedp...@yahoo.com a écrit :

 did anyone mention $29
 for the videos, $129 for the videos with transcriptions and table of
 contents.

 No way we can sell a decent branded 32 Gb USB stick
 for $29 while making a small profit. Yes, we need at least 24 Gb to be able to
 hold all the recordings since 2008.

 just an idea


 --- On Tue, 2/12/13, Ramsey Gurley rgur...@smarthealth.com
 wrote:

 From: Ramsey Gurley
 rgur...@smarthealth.com
 Subject: Re: Any interest in WOWODC
 recordings on DVDs?
 To: Pascal Robert prob...@macti.ca

 Cc: WebObjects Development webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com
 Date:
 Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 1:59 PM
 I can't imagine a DVD being
 worth
 much since it would low res everything down to VGA.

 Squinting at the screencasts are tough enough with
 compression
 artifacts on the text at regular
 resolution.  Plus all the time
 recompressing and
 burning... yick.

 Just put the
 files on a microSD card. Then everyone can
 watch them on their
 computer/tablet/phone.

 Ramsey

 On Feb 12,
 2013, at 11:43 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:

 If we sell the
 WOWODC recordings on DVDs (as QuickTime
 movies, not as a movie DVD)
 to raise money for the
 Association, does any of you would buy it? I
 don't think we
 will add that option is only one or two guys requests
 it,
 hence the question.

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Re: WOCommunity Association is now a non-profit corporation

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Congratulations Pascal and the Daves,
This is exciting news and good work.  I encourage continued good work and
efforts on this front.  WebObjects and associated technologies have made
some unique contributions.  This association looks to be a significant
contribution to the community.  May we continue to contribute to both our
own community and share with others as good citizens of this cloud/web
ecosystem.

V/R,

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On 1/30/13 8:53 AM, David Aspinall daspin...@global-village.net wrote:

 This link may have some boiler plate content that we can use.
 
 http://bigonbloor.com/by-law/BIG%20Bylaw%201-%20Final.doc
 
 David
 
 Sent from my mobile, where brevity is beautiful.
 
 On 2013-01-30, at 11:03 AM, Pascal Robert prob...@macti.ca wrote:
 
 FYI, I got confirmation that the WOCommunity Association is now a non-profit
 corporation! We still have to open a bank account and write the by-laws, but
 at least the first part is done.
 
 If someone wants to contribute or comment the by-laws, I wrote a draft in the
 wiki:
 
   http://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/WOCOM/Organization+Incorporation
 
 Please be aware that we defined two classes of members:
 
 «
 
 The corporation is authorized to establish Class A members and Class B
 members as follows :
 
 (1) The Class A members shall be entitled to receive notice of and to attend
 all meetings of the members of the Corporation and each Class A member shall
 have one (1) vote at each such meeting, except for meetings at which only
 members of another class are entitled to vote separately as a class.
 
 (2) Except as otherwise provided by the Canada Not-for-Profit Corporations
 Act, S.C. 2009, c.23 the Class B members shall not be entitled to receive
 notice of, attend or vote at meetings of the members of the Corporation.
 
 »
 
 The by-laws needs to define who is going in each class.
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Re: Objective Cloud Interview

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Greetings Gang,
I could do it on the basis of a recent Ph.D. Graduate.  If were in that case
representing TTU as a student/alumni, then I could see that as reasonable.
Also, it might work well from point of view of crediting Pascal, Chuck, The
Daves, Ramsey, Kieran, Paul, and any number of others.

I do think that there were some fair points made in the Objective Cloud
presentation.  Like it or not Java is one of the top 5 programming languages
in the world.  At the time it was selected to bear WebObjects, it was the
number one programming language in the world.  Unfortunately, that
popularity was due to our competition.  The big deal for WebObjects has
never been about popularity as much as it has been profitability.It may
not be the API on Java that is winning the hearts and minds of Linux web
servers or Android devices, but it serves both Apple and non-Apple worlds
alike.  This service has been both profitable and mature with clear evidence
with no need for fanfare.  But maybe, we should notice that for our own
success.

As the podcast noted, Objective Cloud serves a useful niche that most of the
cloud world misses.  I look forward to seeing what they are capable of doing
with their product.  Also, I would be happy to contribute to help the cause
if I can.

V/R, 

Daniel Beatty, Ph.D.
Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch
Code 474300D
1 Administration Circle M/S 1109
China Lake, CA 93555
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On 1/24/13 12:47 PM, Johnny Miller jlmil...@kahalawai.com wrote:

 I don't think he would have to say anything more than what is already in his
 podcast about WebObjects and a Lean Start Up.
 
 On Jan 24, 2013, at 10:43 AM, Kieran Kelleher kelleh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I would think picking someone who is not under mothership NDA would be better
 since they can mention the mothership company without worrying if they are
 violating an NDA. Paul Yu is a good choice if not under NDA.
 
 My 2 cents...
 
 KK
 
 On Jan 24, 2013, at 3:20 PM, Johnny Miller jlmil...@kahalawai.com wrote:
 
 Those are both great picks and I also recommend Paul Yu.  Having just
 listened to the podcast I think they really need to start with a high level
 overview of what WebObjects was and what it is today.  I think that since
 Paul worked at Apple he can give an interesting historical perspective to
 it.
 
 Aloha, 
 Mr. Johnny Miller
 Web Development Manager
 Kahalawai Media Company
 Lahaina, HI 96761
 tel: (808) 661-7962 | mobile: (808) 283-0791
 website http://www.kahalawai.com/  | e-mail mailto:
 jlmil...@kahalawai.com
 
 On Jan 24, 2013, at 9:48 AM, Baiss Eric Magnusson bmagnus...@comcast.net
 wrote:
 
 Go for it Pascal, or proxy, or Chuck, ...
 
 Best wishes,
 
 Baiss Eric Magnusson, CTO
 CascadeWebDesign.com http://cascadewebdesign.com/  (mostly retired)
 
 On Jan 24, 2013, at 9:16 AM, Saul Mora s...@magicalpanda.com wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 
 I produce the NSBrief podcast (http://nsbrief.com http://nsbrief.com/ ),
 and posted the episode on Objective Cloud recently. WebObjects has
 certainly made the rounds on many Cocoa developer podcasts recently as we
 (cocoa developers in general) have been made known that WebObjects is, in
 fact, not dead. It is, and never was, my intention to dismiss a technology
 I know little about. I hope the interview did not come across that way. I
 tried to ask questions based on my current understanding of WebObjects (as
 I've learned bits here and there).
 
 That said, I think it'd be great if someone from the community could come
 on the show (hopefully soon) and explain WebObjects as it is today. I, for
 one, would love to hear how it works, and if it's a better solution for
 some people. Java, on the other hand, is always going to be the butt of
 jokes. Sorry, I can't apologize for that part :)
 
 Please get in touch with me to schedule a time to chat for the podcast! I
 truly want to give your community the floor to help spread the word of
 WebObjects to us Cocoa, Mac and iOS developers who think its either dead,
 or not up to part with something like Ruby on Rails, or ASP.Net
 http://asp.net/ , or any other server technology out there. You can
 reach me for the podcast at s...@nsbrief.com
 
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Re: Best Current Platform

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Greetings Lon,
I try to stay out of the best venue debate.  Does it really matter?  What I
would find helpful are deployment mechanisms that enable me to ensure
regulation compliance on either Linux or OSX.   Yes, we have OSX servers and
love them.  There are also clouds available, and that is where a sweet
little regulation compliant Linux would come in really handy with prebuilt
WO Java Monitor.  I think most would prefer an easy method to apply our
build, register, and deploy.  But, what do I know?  I still deploy on OSX.

V/R,
Dan 



On 1/17/13 12:14 PM, Lon Varscsak lon.varsc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yeah, any flavor of Linux is really the way to go.  I currently host on Linode
 using Arch.  But I've worked on deployments that use CentOS as well as RHEL
 without any issues.
 
 -Lon
 
 On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 12:53 PM, David LeBer dleber_wo...@codeferous.com
 wrote:
 We're still happy with Linode.com.
 
 We went with  Ubuntu.
 
 D
 
 On 2013-01-17, at 12:53 PM, Jesse Tayler jtay...@oeinc.com wrote:
 
 
  I've been happy using AWS, there's some nifty scripts to set up servers on
 the wocommunity somewhere, and once you get the hang of it, it's amazingly
 powerful and easy.
 
  I do see other things being cheaper for sure.
 
 
 
  On Jan 17, 2013, at 12:45 PM, Gino Pacitti ginok...@mac.com wrote:
 
  Hi List
 
  Does anyone have any thoughts on best current platform for WO?
 
  Lots of talk about CentOS, Linux, Amazon etc... but any reason to choose
 apart from client requirement and budget?
 
 
  Gino
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RE: WOWODC 2013?

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Hi Gang,
I am in agreement with Dave.  A similar thing could be said about So Cal.  
Great beach, beautiful girls, and great beer until you try and have some.  Then 
your wallet feels a pinch and you wonder what ever happened to that Beach Boys 
song.  

V/R,

Daniel Beatty, Ph.D.
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[mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On 
Behalf Of David Avendasora
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 10:13
To: Chuck Hill
Cc: webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com
Subject: Re: WOWODC 2013?


On Oct 20, 2012, at 12:42 AM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote:

 I hope some day we could have one WOWODC here in Costa Rica we have beaches, 
 girls, beers. It will be nice.

Hey! We have all that in Brunei too!

Except for the beer.

And all (okay, both) the girls are covered head to toe in loose-fitting 
polyester.

And all the beaches have sand flies.

Otherwise this place is paradise!

But seriously, I don't care how much Pascal makes organizing WOWODC every year 
(it's likely not much of anything) but he deserves a LOT for all his effort. 
Even though I wasn't able to make it this year, I've found it to be amazingly 
valuable every year I've attended and we should do whatever it takes to keep in 
going.

Dave


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WebObjects - so easy that even Dave Avendasora can do it!™
—
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RE: WOWODC 2013?

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Greeting Amedeo,
Yes. Would that be for the girls, how to get caught, or the best cell 
arrangements?  You know that could spell nothing but sc... for some of us.

V/R,
Dan

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[mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On 
Behalf Of Amedeo Mantica
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 1:25
To: WebObjects Development
Subject: Re: WOWODC 2013?

I could ask to the former Italian prime minister. :-D

Sent from my iPhone

On 18/ott/2012, at 04:05, Pascal Robert prob...@macti.ca wrote:

 Well, it you are willing to organize it…
 
 WOWODC '13 Brazil: beaches, beautiful girls... and no LTE (yet)!
 
 
 On 17/10/2012, at 22:44, Pascal Robert wrote:
 
 The Big Four (Rogers, Fido, Bell, Telus) have LTE, and it's fast (got 24 
 Mbps up/15 Mbps down in downtown).
 
 In fact, we had my iPad and 2 other iPads on LTE to help a bit, but I was 
 thinking the limit was 15 users for sharing, not 5 :-/
 
 Do they have LTE in Canada?  ;)
 
 On Oct 17, 2012, at 9:32 PM, David LeBer dleber_wo...@codeferous.com 
 wrote:
 
 
 coughlte-enabled-iphone5-intenet-sharing/cough
 
 
 On 2012-10-17, at 9:24 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote:
 
 We could make it a WIFI-free event and let people concentrate on the 
 presentations instead of their laptops!  I wonder how long people could 
 last before ducking out for a WIFI break  :-P
 
 
 Chuck
 
 
 On 2012-10-17, at 6:17 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:
 
 Hi guys,
 
 Looking at the feedback we have every year, and it seems that the most 
 important thing to fix is WiFi. So that means we will have to move 
 the event to a larger hotel (Hilton, Delta, etc.), so you know what 
 that means: higher costs. But if WiFi is important, we don't have the 
 choice.
 
 But I'm wondering if people still care about WOWODC. Should we continue 
 the event?
 
 
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RE: WOWODC 2013?

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Greetings Pascal,
Assuming I can go this time, Notre-Dame sounds great.  Also, as long as there 
is some kind of deal with Verizon to extend to Canada for a time, that may work.

V/R,

Daniel Beatty, Ph.D.
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-Original Message-
From: webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com 
[mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On 
Behalf Of Pascal Robert
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:59
To: Chuck Hill
Cc: WebObjects Development
Subject: Re: WOWODC 2013?

I must say that I really like the place on Notre-Dame Island. Yes, the 
transportation hell was no fun at all, but I really enjoyed the location and 
the fact that I could have complete control over the food and drinks selection 
(note to myself: less white wine, more red wine next year, you guys are heavy 
drinkers :-P).

I'm not saying we should go back there (the room was packed) but this kind of 
place might be an option. But if people prefers to have the event as the same 
place as where they sleep, ok.

 We could make it a WIFI-free event and let people concentrate on the 
 presentations instead of their laptops!  I wonder how long people could last 
 before ducking out for a WIFI break  :-P
 
 
 Chuck
 
 
 On 2012-10-17, at 6:17 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:
 
 Hi guys,
 
 Looking at the feedback we have every year, and it seems that the most 
 important thing to fix is WiFi. So that means we will have to move the 
 event to a larger hotel (Hilton, Delta, etc.), so you know what that means: 
 higher costs. But if WiFi is important, we don't have the choice.
 
 But I'm wondering if people still care about WOWODC. Should we continue the 
 event?
 
 
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RE: Backup WebObjects Developer

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Greetings Jaime,
I don't mean to get smart, but I am about become a free agent here.  Does the 
alternate have to live in Detroit?  Can the middle of the Mojave Dessert do, 
for example?  At least, you would be sure he would not get hit by a bus.  Of 
course, I do represent a kind of bad example for the not hit by a bus claim.  
We are not going to count old senile ladies in rental cars, ok.

V/R,

Daniel Beatty, Ph.D.
Computer Scientist, 474/ 4L6 IAO, Detonation Sciences Branch
Code 474300D
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[mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On 
Behalf Of Jaime Magiera
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 13:13
To: WebObjects-Dev List
Subject: Backup WebObjects Developer

Hello folks,

I'm on contract to a Detroit organization that is working with the city to 
rebuild their financial infrastructure. I wrote an app which is a simple 
database of vendors in the city. Local vendors can submit their info and other 
local businesses can query the database for vendors that fulfill their needs. 
Very simple. The app is hosted on my network. 

One of the requirements of my contract is that I find another developer as a 
backup in case I get hit by a bus. I don't anticipate that happening, but can 
understand why they'd like to be assured that another WO developer could take 
over the project. WO isn't the new hotness these days. If anyone is interested 
in being on-call for this project, please message me. 

Jaime Magiera

Sensory Research, Inc.
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RE: Finding WO people for startups

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Greetings Philip,
Chuck only needs one certification, but it seems that the certifiers are all 
pass out during the evaluation.   We can't understand it.   How many bottles of 
Guinness does it take to make a certification?  

Dan


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[mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On 
Behalf Of Philippe Rabier
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 14:23
To: Chuck Hill
Cc: WebObjects Mailing List
Subject: Re: Finding WO people for startups

Ho I love that. I don't have any certification :-)

Philippe

Sent from my iPhone

On 26 sept. 2011, at 20:37, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote:

 
 And I tend to be cautious about people with too many certifications.  Passing 
 tests makes you a good student, not a good developer.
 
 
 Chuck
 
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RE: Help on incorporating the WOCommunity Association

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Greetings all,
What Paul has said here makes a great deal of sense.  +1.

V/R,

Daniel D. Beatty
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[mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On 
Behalf Of Paul Yu
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 7:17
To: John Huss
Cc: WebObjects Development
Subject: Re: Help on incorporating the WOCommunity Association

May be this is a two step process.

Operationally, Pascal needs a non-profit right now for WOWODC 2012, etc.  and 
having a non-profit without a bigger licensing issues to deal with would be 
good.

Once the organization is up, then it can work to move the code to apache...

Paul

On Sep 20, 2011, at 10:14 AM, John Huss wrote:


+1 for Apache.


On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Andrus Adamchik 
and...@objectstyle.org wrote:


I was trying to find a statement on the association objectives.

Here is a crazy idea - maybe instead of starting a new 
non-profit, the community should consider taking the open source parts of the 
WO code and join the Apache Software Foundation. The benefits are the following:

* WOCommunity will become a top level project (TLP) under one 
of the most recognized open source brands, exposing it to many more eyes 
compared to now.
* Apache has advanced and time-proven governing process that 
already works. No legal expense or effort is required.
* Apache is the best place out there for community building, 
code legal clearance and preservation of software projects under the ASL 2.0.
* Somebody will watch your infrastructure for you.
* You can organize your own conference and unconference events 
together with the Apache Conference Committee, or present yourself during 
bigger Apache events like ApacheCon.
* You'll have a chance to hang out with some pretty serious 
geeks (not sure if that's a benefit ;)).

But of course if you go this way, you'll have to become Apache 
and work on achieving consensus with a much larger group of people on issues 
that go beyond the code. And of course you may have different objectives than 
the ones that I cited (community building, code legal clearance and 
preservation).

But give it a thought. Considering that WO core is not open 
source, this will be creating an interesting precedent, so I called it crazy 
above, but I think it is certainly doable.

Cheers,
Andrus



On Sep 19, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:
 Good morning everyone,

 As you may know, we want to register the association as a 
non-profit organization in Canada. Since this is the first time I'm doing this, 
I would like input from you for the by-laws. You can find a draft in the wiki:

  
http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WOCOM/Organization+Incorporation

 If you have comments to make about them, please add them in 
the wiki, or post to the org-gr...@wocommunity.org mailing list (send an email 
to org-group...@wocommunity.org to subscribe).

 Thanks for your help!

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RE: Need conceptual help with weird data model

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Greetings Markus, 
I have a few, and have done some work in this regard.   I will think on this 
later this evening.  Most likely, I will be able to share some pearls of wisdom 
on this topic.

V/R,

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[mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On 
Behalf Of Markus Ruggiero
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 8:29
To: webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com Dev Apple
Subject: Need conceptual help with weird data model

Hi, 

I am working with a legacy database that I am not allowed to change because 
other apps access the db and they cannot be changed. Fortunately those apps 
access the DB in a read-only way, so I can add tables and attributes to 
existing tables. There is one area that the developers in the past have 
implemented in a weird way. I am trying to extend the existing structure in a 
way that allows my D2W app to function properly.

We have one table called STATEMENT. A statement can be used as title (boolean 
flag yes/no), has a unique code (not an id but a user visible string), a 
description and a label. The external app reads a product table and these 
statements and via a join table generates a PDF file for the product. The join 
table entries tell the program, which statement(s) must be included in the PDF 
report. The label attribute for the statement is what is printed in the PDF. 
Each statement has a sequence number and each statement has a boolean flag that 
denotes it as being title or not. Title title statements have sequence numbers 
like 1000, 2000 etc and non-title statements have respective sequences 1001, 
1002, 2001, 2002, etc. So the grouping of statement under its title is given by 
the range of sequence numbers. In addition a statement can have several 
variants. These variants all have their own code. However the label field is 
identical. So to collect all variants for a given statement the a
 pp today

I need help in designing a clean model that works in D2W and then somehow tie 
it to the existing STATEMENT. I can even go so far as to replace STATEMENT by a 
view (3rd party app is read-only on the db).

Thinking along these lines:
- add a foreign key to STATEMENT to get statement belonging to title, and 
variant belonging to statement. But not every statement has variants. Would I 
need a qualifying intermediate table?
- create a separate hierarchical table to build title-statement-variant 
and have an attribute on all levels pointing to the record in STATEMENT
- create 3 separate tables for the 3 levels? And then? Have these point to the 
statements or have the statements point to the hierarchy structures?
- I am confused :-(

Any ideas? What would you recommend?

Sorry for bothering but the list is currently my only available sparring 
partner :-)

Thanks a lot
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RE: Prevent NEW in D2W?

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Greetings Markus,
That would indeed work.  One thing I have had some success with is a 
semi-migratory tool that uses D2W in combination with REST to remap the data 
outside the original store.  It does not affect the original store, but it has 
some useful properties for organizing the data from the user's perspective.   

I would also up the memory and test what portions break the batch faulting 
system.  If none, count your blessings.  If some, then there are some 
strategies I presented this last WOWODC that could help.  I am currently 
cleaning up the audio for it, so that should help.

Later,

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[mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On 
Behalf Of Markus Ruggiero
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 8:43
To: Ramsey Gurley
Cc: webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com Dev Apple
Subject: Re: Prevent NEW in D2W?

Thanks Ramsey,

This is a completely standalone table with no relationships that contains one 
record with a couple attributes that define the configuration of the app. I was 
so deep into doing everything without programming that I missed the obvious. 
Your answer triggered the following solution: Having a simple page with a 
message and only a CANCEL button for the Create* pageConfiguration should solve 
my problem.

Thanks Ramsey, it is not the first time that your input has helped me further.
---markus---

On 29.08.2011, at 17:18, Ramsey Gurley wrote:

 
 On Aug 29, 2011, at 6:32 AM, Markus Ruggiero wrote:
 
 Quick D2W question:
 
 isEntityEditable, isEntityDeletable, isEntityInspectable are all fine, but 
 is there something like isEntityNewable?
 
 In other words: I have an entity with exactly one record that contains some 
 global parameters to my app. The user must be able to update that one record 
 but he must not be able to add a new record, there must be exactly one 
 record with the same primary key at all times. How would I do this?
 
 Thanks
 ---markus---
 
 This sounds like a model problem, not a view or controller problem.  If this 
 is a one to one relationship, then model it that way.
 
 If the relationship is required, you can simply model it as a mandatory 
 one-to-one joined on PKs and propagate the primary key.  EOF will 
 automatically create the related object for you when your eo is created.  
 
 If it is an optional one-to-one, then model it as two to-one relationships 
 with an FK on each table.  Then in your entity class, override the 
 inverseKeyForRelationship method to return the proper inverse relationship 
 for each.
 
 If you have no control over the database schema and you need to do optional 
 one-to-one with PKs then you're out of luck.  From your description, it 
 sounds like doing it in the app is the wrong way to do it. To do it the wrong 
 way, you'll need to provide your page level actions using a branch delegate 
 and something like ERDControllerButton instead of using isEntity* since there 
 is no key like isEntityNewable.  Either that, or you can build your own d2w 
 page template and include an isEntityNewable conditional.
 
 Ramsey

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RE: Lion and WO

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Greetings Tim,
But I like Frontbase and OpenBase.  They are really cool database that have the 
simplicity of just being a SQL-92 database without any non-sense.   This is 
going to force us into the mindless collective PHP dictated databases.

Later,
Dan

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[mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On 
Behalf Of Tim Worman
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 17:03
To: Ramsey Gurley
Cc: WebObjects Development
Subject: Re: Lion and WO

No, I've been using Openbase for a long time. I'm probably going to have to 
make a move though since there seems to be very little activity around the 
product. 

There's a tweet mentioning a beta release for Lion:

http://twitter.com/#!/OpenBase/statuses/90781766431936512

Tim Worman
UCLA GSEIS

On Jul 25, 2011, at 4:15 PM, Ramsey Gurley wrote:

 Postgresql?
 
 On Jul 25, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Tim Worman wrote:
 
 The only problem I had was that I had to use Direct Connect in Lion - 
 probably a config problem somewhere. I'm stuck in Snow Leopard for dev right 
 now since my current database doesn't install in Lion.
 
 Tim Worman
 UCLA GSEIS
 
 
 On Jul 20, 2011, at 10:08 AM, Mike Schrag wrote:
 
 yes, long ago .. works fine.
 
 On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Simon wrote:
 
 what about upgrading a dev machine - anyone braved it yet ?
 
 On 20 July 2011 16:32, Pascal Robert prob...@macti.ca wrote:
 Just before people start asking. I installed Lion Server on a Mac Mini 
 Server and the Wonder variants of wotaskd and Monitor works well. Apache 
 WO adaptor compiles correctly too. But Java is not pre-installed, so just 
 start any Java process (a simple call to /usr/bin/java will do) and 
 Finder will ask you if you want to install Java. If you say so, it will 
 download Java 1.6 (from Apple) and install it. 
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RE: Let's find a new name for the Community

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Greetings Dave,
LOL on the name, I have to admit that it does require a Canadian French 
perspective.  I do not envy the task of trying to come up with another name.  
The name WebObjects was well conceived, and is just as much a concept as it 
is a technology.  Given our current ties to Java, we might consider a coffee 
name that Sun/Oracle has not already bastardized.  It is also a shame that we 
can't use the Italian chocolate/hazelnut name that seems to be used as a flavor 
enhancer for coffee.  I hear Apple has a leash on that name, too.   Maybe, 
Irish Crème Vodka would work as a name.

Just a thought,

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[mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On 
Behalf Of David LeBer
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 10:26
To: Pascal Robert
Cc: WebObjects Development
Subject: Re: Let's find a new name for the Community

On 2011-07-11, at 1:09 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:

 Hello everyone,
 
 At WOWODC, we discussed branding, and what came out of the discussion is that 
 we should move away from the WebObjects brand, for the following reasons:
 
 1) When customers search for WebObjects on Google, they will probably find 
 pages saying that it's deprecated (which is true) or other negatives lecture.
 
 2) WebObjects have a reputation of being outdated. When the Apple Online 
 Store is down, search for WebObjects on Twitter, and look at the comments... 
 You know what I mean.
 
 3) Using WebObjects in the name of WOWODC and in the association/foundation 
 name can be a legal problem with Apple.
 
 So we are looking for a new name for the community, mainly for the non-profit 
 we will register when we decide on a new name. Some suggested that we use 
 Project Wonder in the organization name, others prefer another name. To sort 
 that out, I created a small survey (it's only one question!) on Survs so that 
 you can tell us if you want to use Project Wonder as the name or if you want 
 something else.
 
  https://www.survs.com/survey/918WHRJASW
 
 So please participate! After all, the organization is there to help you out 
 and to give assurance to your customers, so the organization name is 
 important. Please don't use WebObjects or any other trademark names in your 
 suggestions.
 
 Thanks!

I thought we'd decided on: FGP  (Foie Gras Poutine).

;david

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RE: WOWODC 2011 recordings

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Greetings Karl,
I tend to agree with you.  However, there is actually might be a few reasons 
for Apple to consider being kinder to its WO community.

1. They spent a lot of money in having mDimension and in particular Mike Schrag 
produce a lot of capabilities with Project Wonder.  One year ago, we were 
saying that we were all standing on the shoulders of giants.   For this effort 
and contribution by Apple and Mike Schrag, I am grateful.   
2. They still have a huge investment internally.   To maintain their agility, 
it is in their interest to keep a healthy community.  Right now they a growing 
into a company larger than what they had been in the past.  This means a larger 
corporate bureaucracy.Bureaucracies are not known for their efficiency.  
That is a good reason why they sub contracted to Mike in the first place.
3.  There is no reason why Apple and other companies can contribute well to a 
healthy framework, regardless of what it is called, for mutual benefit.  

Sure Apple can be petty.  However, this is not in their interest.  It fosters a 
poison that tends to consumer good people and has this notion that if certain 
bad apples or people were not there, life would be good.  If the bad apples 
were indeed destructive and malevolent, there would be no argument against such 
an attitude.  However, I do not see such a thing.

I would prefer that good channels be made to support the community at large.  
Apple has such a channel through ownership.  I think that having a set of 
partnerships would be a healthy thing for Apple in this cloud and mobile 
application world that they have helped pioneer.  

But that is just my opinion.  I agree with Paul that channels, guidance, and 
the means to properly assist the community are an essential.   Apple did a good 
thing when they funded Mike.  I think it is time we all came together for a 
positive outcome.

Thank you,

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[mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On 
Behalf Of Karl
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 9:13
To: Chuck Hill
Cc: webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com Dev
Subject: Re: WOWODC 2011 recordings

Apple isn't Oracle (ie. http://ie.it  it is not _insane_ when it comes to 
Open Source).

However, I completely agree with Chuck.  There is simply no reason for Apple to 
spend a millisecond thinking about open sourcing WO.  It just isn't even on 
their radar screen (in spite of the RADARs that remain open for it!).

At the same time, Apple relies heavily upon WONDER.  WONDER violates pretty 
much every patent that they havebut they still use it.  Pretty hard to 
litigate against that and...again...I don't think that they will waste a 
millisecond thinking such thoughts.

Unless somehow WONDER/Whistler/+the next big name+ becomes a threat they will 
ignore it or actually start using itand maybe even contributing to it.

Karl

On Jul 5, 2011, at 8:44 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:




On Jul 5, 2011, at 1:35 PM, Ramsey Gurley rgur...@smarthealth.com 
wrote:



I was there Hugi and I think I missed something (^_^)  



I though the discussion was about forking Wonder, which seemed 
a little odd to me considering we have github nowadays.  Anyone can fork it and 
if you attract a following, so be it.



If we are discussing a WO fork... I wonder, has anyone ever 
actually asked Apple if they are willing to open source the WO 5.4.3 release?  



Yes. They will not. 




The Java people made enough noise to get Apple's JDK source 
released to Oracle for OpenJDK.  We aren't as large as they are, but I would 
argue that we are more important to Apple's operations.  



I doubt that. 




Certainly Apple would see a lot of value in having a healthy 
community of WO devs to pluck.  



I think we have pretty much been fully plucked. 




Legal issues aside, it would be much easier to simply get 
Apple's blessing.  They have gobs of money.  It isn't like they can't afford to 
throw us a bone. There should at least be a petition to ask them formally if 
that hasn't already been done.



Wasting your time, IMO. 

Chuck





Ramsey



On Jul 5, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Paul D Yu wrote:



Of course.



Always Clean and in a separate room...  ;)

RE: Apple Representation On WebObjects-Dev Mailing List?

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Greetings Chuck,
It may be nostalgia, but time is money.  Achieving an infinitesimal amount time 
has a reciprocal relation to money.

Later,

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On 2011-07-06, at 1:57 PM, Karl wrote:

 I see it every day at the airport.  Was that a CICS exception or VSAM issue?
 
 Oh...wow...no it was a 'RTSO' exception.  (Real time sharing option for you 
 youngsters...now I am really ageing myself).

And bringing back long suppressed memories for some of us. 


  Can you believe that they charged $2-3k per year for your terminal to 
 respond in some semblance of real time?
 
 Karl
 
 On Jul 6, 2011, at 8:51 PM, Petite Abeille wrote:
 
 
 On Jul 6, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Ken Anderson wrote:
 
 To me, just the fact that WebObjects has been around since 1996 (15 years!) 
 means that it has more legs than any other tool I can think of.
 
 Rumor has it that COBOL is still going strong in some less travelled corner 
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RE: d2w - huh?

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Greetings Mike,
Indeed.  Shooting is good.  

At least the data model you have and your app allow the adjustments to avoid 
the large faulting.   

I do have an example where a 700 attribute with over 1000 entries is loaded 
into D2W.  It can be done.  The catch is that there is a machine with 
sufficient memory and one can adjust the JVM's memory footprint.

Later,
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Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 21:28
To: David Avendasora
Cc: WebObjects Development
Subject: Re: d2w - huh?



Sent from my iPad

On Jun 21, 2011, at 6:54 PM, David Avendasora webobje...@avendasora.com wrote:

 
 On Jun 21, 2011, at 6:05 PM, Ramsey Gurley wrote:
 
 
 On Jun 21, 2011, at 2:22 PM, David Avendasora wrote:
 
 On Jun 21, 2011, at 5:03 PM, Ramsey Gurley rgur...@smarthealth.com wrote:
 
 Also, if I grab the queryAll page I run out of heap space after about 5-6 
 refreshes of the page.  I hope I'm just doing something stupid here.  Any 
 ideas?
 
 Thanks.
 -Mike
 
 I have not experienced problems with heap space in D2W.
 
 I have. It is almost certainly a situation where you have a relationship 
 modeled that could point to thousands or millions of related objects and 
 you have a rule that is telling D2W to show that relationship in the 
 queryAll page by making it a displayPropertyKey in some rule that somehow 
 matches the QueryAll page. Normally the QueryAll page only lets you search 
 on attributes.
 
 Correction (^_^)  I have not experienced problems with heap on a QueryAll 
 page.  If you fault 100 rows in the DB, then yeah, boom!  But that's not 
 D2W. You just happen to be using D2W when you triggered the fault. 
 
 Yes, very true, but with D2W it is very easy to do this unintentionally, and 
 not associate your change with the problem because most likely you changed a 
 rule that you _thought_ only applied to the page you are working on. This is 
 one of the many not-so-intuitive things about D2W that bites new users and 
 can be very confusing.
 
 I personally think that until ERModernLook came around the cons like this of 
 D2W outweighed the pros for all but the most skilled/determined. Now, with 
 ERModern being so completely freaking awesome, there's a lot of people that 
 are running into and not backing down from these things.
 
 The rules engine is incredibly powerful, but it can be tricky to learn how to 
 focus it. Without focus one rule can mess up your entire app, or just one 
 little corner of it, and do it in a way that is not immediately obvious what 
 caused it.
 
 A D2W app _needs_ selenium tests so you quickly find out that something has 
 been broken by a rule change. There's no compiler error, there's no IDE 
 validation. It's all run-time. Insanely powerful. Aim carefully.
 

I like shooting.  :)  thanks guys.  I was all over the wiki and didn't know I 
had to enable the wolips server.  Works much better now!  clickToOpen still 
isn't working, but my rule changes are.  I'll check out your suggestion 
tomorrow David, something's definitely funky, but I certainly don't have that 
much test data in my DB.  Maybe it's some of the self referencing on my objects.

Thanks again.
-Mike



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Re: Weird plist framework question

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Greetings Chuck,
Is there such a thing of virtual tables?  It is definitely worth
considering.

Thank you,

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 On Nov 24, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Dan Beatty wrote:
 
 Greetings all,
 I agree with Farrukh, that would be a handy prototype.  The other idea I had
 was to literally build a set of tables for a framework ³SomeOnesDictionary²
 where the super-class could be linked to any other object.
 
 Perhaps what you want is our virtual tables framework?  It implements a
 database in a handful of tables with KVC access, relationships, and calculated
 fields.
 
 
 Chuck
 
 
  Both are good notions, and like I said seem so simple that it would be shock
 that it had not been thought of before.
 
 V.r.
 
 Daniel Beatty
 Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch
 Code 474300D
 2400 E. Pilot Plant Rd. M/S 1109
 China Lake, CA 93555
 daniel.bea...@navy.mil
 (760)939-7097 
 
 
 
 
 On 11/24/10 10:26 AM, Farrukh Ijaz farrukh.i...@fuegodigitalmedia.com
 wrote:
 
 
 On 2010-11-24, at 9:23 PM, Ramsey Gurley wrote:
 
 There's a mutable dictionary attribute in ERPrototypes. Works with
 ERXMutableDictonary.
 
 Interesting! Does that automatically handle the back-and-forth conversion?
 
 Farrukh
 
 
 Ramsey
 
 On Nov 24, 2010, at 1:13 PM, Dan Beatty wrote:
 
 Greetings Wizards,Dave, Chuck, ladies, and gentlemen,
  Got a weird question for you.  Does Wonder have a framework for having
 the notion a ³plist² in the database itself.   The idea being that one
 would have an attribute that would basically be a plist dictionary (in and
 of itself)?   The idea seemed so simple, I find it hard to believe that it
 has not been conjured up before.  I am thinking that it would have a
 migration method similar to ERAttachment allowing any other table to
 reference such a dictionary, like ERDictionary or something.
  
  Any ideas?
  
  Daniel Beatty
  Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch
  Code 474300D
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RE: Uploading 3GB files with D2W Modern Look

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Greetings Chuck,
Ok, so it sounds like it could be a bindings thing, or something called 
Dropbox.  Is dropbox a framework, component, or something?  If so, where do I 
find it and how do I use it?  Also, I think Chuck is correct about the web 
browser being the thing that times out.

Thank you,

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[mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On 
Behalf Of Chuck Hill
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:40
To: Pascal Robert
Cc: WebObjects-Dev List
Subject: Re: Uploading 3GB files with D2W Modern Look

The upload should not timeout in the app (not sure about the browser) if it is 
setup for streaming to the file system.  I don't recall the exact combination 
of bindings to achieve this.


Chuck

On Nov 19, 2010, at 8:31 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:

 Use Dropbox to upload the file and use their APIs to get the files :-P
 
 Greetings Dave's, ladies, and gentlemen,
 I am working a prototype for D2W Modern Look and for the most part it is 
 looking good.   I am running into trouble with ER Attachment in D2W Modern 
 Look when it comes to files 3GB in size.   Naturally, the web browser or 
 the session times out (even with the best network speed).   What methods can 
 I use that will allow an upload of this magnitude to happen in the 
 background, and not time out?
 
 Thank you,
 
 
 
 Daniel Beatty, ABD
 Computer Scientist
 China Lake Naval Air Warfare Center
 dan.bea...@me.com
 
 
 
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Re: [OT] Restoring a FrontBase DB

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Greetings Chuck,
I tried yesterday on Frontbase, and plan on trying it out with OpenBase at
this other location.  In the case of Frontbase, I ran into trouble with
migrations while testing it with the BugTracker application (example).  I
was trying to see if I did not get the same errors as I did with MySQL, and
understand how migrations work when deploying using Hudson.

In the event of the Memory Adaptor, WOLips liked it but the Mini running
with a Hudson installed Wonder did not.  It complained that the Memory
adaptor was not included and complained something fierce.

Regarding Frontbase, it saw the Frontbase JDBC driver, but ran into trouble
similar to that of MySQL.  Any ideas?

Thank you,

Daniel Beatty
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Code 474300D
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On 9/28/10 9:08 AM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote:

 
 On Sep 28, 2010, at 8:46 AM, Daniel Beatty wrote:
 
 Greetings all,
 I would certainly like to examine Frontbase and OpenBase.  One to ensure
 that we don't loose those capabilities, and two for some of the features
 that are advertised in Frontbase that have a remarkable appeal.
 
 That being said, are there any tutorials using Frontbase with migrations?  I
 think there could a call for some jump start tutorials on this as I have
 been listening to the student grapevine.
 
 Migrations just work.  I think they were originally written against FB.
 
 
 Chuck
 
 
 On 9/28/10 8:22 AM, Kieran Kelleher kelleh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 On Sep 28, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Chuck Hill wrote:
 
 On Sep 28, 2010, at 5:08 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
 
 Sorry in advance for being completely unhelpful ;-) .
 
 On Sep 28, 2010, at 7:33 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I've been trying to signup for the FrontBase Dev list, but it's not
 working
 for some reason,
 
 Chuck warned them in advance about you, so that is why they won't let you
 sign up.
 
 I didn't actually.  They must have some AI software built in now.
 
 
 so I thought I'd post this here since there's so many FB here.
 
 Not really  just Chuck uses FB I think .. the majority use MySQL.
 
 The majority also think that Brittany Spears is a wonderful musician.
 
 
 good response . and I have no response to that statement since I am not
 in
 the majority in that regard :-)
 
 
 
 :-)
 
 Chuck 
 
 
 
 This is my first time using FrontBase.
 
 You still have time to turn back .. use MySQL instead ;-)
 
 
 
 
 I'm trying to restore a DB from a file provided to me. I have FrontBase
 5.1.3f installed.
 
 The restore process seems to be stalled at Transaction Log disabled. I
 have a 2.8GHz MacBook Pro with 8GB of RAM and a 256GB SSD and the file
 I'm
 trying to restore from is only 125MB.
 
 Here's what I'm getting:
 
 Daves-Laptop:~ davendasora$ sudo /Library/FrontBase/bin/FrontBase -create
 -restore='/Users/davendasora/Documents/Projects/A/B_2010_09_21-03_15_00'
 acDB
 2010-09-28 05:14:57 License problem detected: Could not open license file
 /Library/FrontBase/LicenseString: No such file or directory
 Using the unlicensed FREE version options
 An unlicensed option was specified: Backup/Restore
 2010-09-28 05:14:57 FrontBase Server - 5.1.3f 64-bit on Mac OS X [Server]
 2010-09-28 05:14:57 Bootstrapping new database:
 /Library/FrontBase/Databases/acDB.fb
 2010-09-28 05:14:57 Bootstrapping new database
 2010-09-28 05:14:57 Bootstrapping DEFINITION_SCHEMA done
 2010-09-28 05:14:58 Bootstrapping INFORMATION_SCHEMA done
 2010-09-28 05:14:58 Transaction Log disabled
 
 It has been stalled there for over 2 hours.
 
 So that means you started at 5:30am ..
 
 
 
 That just doesn't seem right for 125MB of data.
 
 What am I doing wrong?
 
 Using FB instead of MySQL, that's what you are doing wrong ;-)
 
 Regards, your friend, Kieran
 
 PS. Now turning off my email for next 24 hours so I don't have to respond
 to
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Re: [OT] Restoring a FrontBase DB

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Greetings Chuck,
Probably true on Georg.  I have not seen or heard from him in while, and I
miss him.  Anywho, since I am working out in South-Eastern California and
Frontbase has an U.S. Office in Foothills, CA it would be nice to meet the
guys (and gals) who bring us this great software.  Also, since they are kind
of in the mid-point for SoCal WebObjects developers, it would be nice to
talk them into hosting a WO gathering similar to WO-Nova.

Any who, do you know if Georg or anyone has done straight migration from
MySQL to Frontbase.   I would guess that it would be a SQL dump from MySQL
to Frontbase, but I have never tried it.  And, Peter Pan is never too old
for the first time on these things.

Later,

Daniel Beatty
Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch
Code 474300D
2401 E. Pilot Plant Rd. M/S 1109
China Lake, CA 93555
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On 9/28/10 11:35 AM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote:

 Hi Dan,
 
 On Sep 28, 2010, at 11:22 AM, Daniel Beatty wrote:
 On 9/28/10 8:16 AM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote:
 On Sep 28, 2010, at 5:08 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
 
 Sorry in advance for being completely unhelpful ;-) .
 
 On Sep 28, 2010, at 7:33 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I've been trying to signup for the FrontBase Dev list, but it's not
 working
 for some reason,
 
 Chuck warned them in advance about you, so that is why they won't let you
 sign up.
 
 I didn't actually.  They must have some AI software built in now.
 
 
 so I thought I'd post this here since there's so many FB here.
 
 Not really  just Chuck uses FB I think .. the majority use MySQL.
 
 The majority also think that Brittany Spears is a wonderful musician.
 She may be a good singer and dancer.  Although, I think the jury of shrinks
 are still out about her sanity and taste in musical presentation.
 
 
 The things I am impressed with Frontbase about is its capability of using
 multiple file system partitions thus allowing multiple huge RAID systems to
 be employed, its ability to migrate databases such as MySQL, Access, and
 FileMaker with very little trouble, and regulation on batch size.  I happen
 to have a really large MySQL  database, for academic purposes, to test the
 migration and large scale features on.  Does any one have any guidance for
 such a test?  Tutorials would be even better.  And, if any of the Southern
 California based Frontbase users/ developers would like to converse these
 ideas in a WO group say near Riverside, San Bernardino, or some where near
 by that would be great.  The ability to handle such a large dataset would
 speak many additional volumes for the Frontbase database.
 
 Georg Tuparev is the person to talk to about large FB databases!
 
 
 Chuck
 
 
 
 Thanks,
 
 Daniel Beatty
 Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch
 Code 474300D
 2401 E. Pilot Plant Rd. M/S 1109
 China Lake, CA 93555
 daniel.bea...@navy.mil
 (760)939-7097 
 
 
 
 :-)
 
 Chuck
 
 
 
 This is my first time using FrontBase.
 
 You still have time to turn back .. use MySQL instead ;-)
 
 
 
 
 I'm trying to restore a DB from a file provided to me. I have FrontBase
 5.1.3f installed.
 
 The restore process seems to be stalled at Transaction Log disabled. I
 have a 2.8GHz MacBook Pro with 8GB of RAM and a 256GB SSD and the file I'm
 trying to restore from is only 125MB.
 
 Here's what I'm getting:
 
 Daves-Laptop:~ davendasora$ sudo /Library/FrontBase/bin/FrontBase -create
 -restore='/Users/davendasora/Documents/Projects/A/B_2010_09_21-03_15_00'
 acDB
 2010-09-28 05:14:57 License problem detected: Could not open license file
 /Library/FrontBase/LicenseString: No such file or directory
 Using the unlicensed FREE version options
 An unlicensed option was specified: Backup/Restore
 2010-09-28 05:14:57 FrontBase Server - 5.1.3f 64-bit on Mac OS X [Server]
 2010-09-28 05:14:57 Bootstrapping new database:
 /Library/FrontBase/Databases/acDB.fb
 2010-09-28 05:14:57 Bootstrapping new database
 2010-09-28 05:14:57 Bootstrapping DEFINITION_SCHEMA done
 2010-09-28 05:14:58 Bootstrapping INFORMATION_SCHEMA done
 2010-09-28 05:14:58 Transaction Log disabled
 
 It has been stalled there for over 2 hours.
 
 So that means you started at 5:30am ..
 
 
 
 That just doesn't seem right for 125MB of data.
 
 What am I doing wrong?
 
 Using FB instead of MySQL, that's what you are doing wrong ;-)
 
 Regards, your friend, Kieran
 
 PS. Now turning off my email for next 24 hours so I don't have to respond
 to
 any retaliation.
 
 
 
 
 
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Core Data to EOF migration tool

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Greetings Mark and others who probably know the answer,
I have question regarding the possibility of migrating a Core Data scheme to 
EOF.  The idea is to use Core Data as a sort of training wheels set to help new 
comers to EOF learn.  One the questions that came up was, can EOF import the 
scheme from Core Data.   

I suspect that sense that a Core Data apps that use SQLite, for example, could 
simply be extracted through a valid JDBC adaptor.  The other thing that would 
make sense is if the plist making the Core Data model specification could have 
a mapping application to make it into an EO model.  In either case, I am not 
sure of what tools are out there to accomplish this.  Any ideas?  If there are 
such things, it makes the sales pitch of WO even sweeter.

Thank you,

Daniel Beatty
Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch
Code 474300D
2400 E. Pilot Plant Rd. M/S 1109
China Lake, CA 93555
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P.S. I am hoping to see you all at WOWODC 2010.


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RE: [OT] - WWDC10

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

 Greetings Edgar,
I believe that Apple would still have to honor the Premium members whose 
membership expires after WWDC10.  Thus some may still have that ticket bought 
and paid for.   

Although, I can see the expressions at the counter now. Ouch.

Later,
Dan


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Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 15:18
To: WO Dev Group
Subject: Re: [OT] - WWDC10

Hi,

On 2010-04-28, at 09:18 , Dev WO wrote:

 Hello womates,
 
 just in case there are some of you with a still working ADC Premium 
 with an e-ticket for WWDC2010 and they won't attend, maybe those tickets can 
 be of help for some of us:) Basically it could be a list of everyone who are 
 going to attend and the number of available tickets. We could put that all 
 together and see how much we need to add to get tickets for all the attendee.
 If there's only a couple of e-tickets available I vote for giving it to the 
 oversea active person on the list like Anjo for exemple.
 
 I think we need to move fast, tickets sold out really quickly last year.

I thought there is are no ADC Premium memberships any more, are there?

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RE: announcement

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Greetings Mike and all,
Congratulations to Mike.   I can't think of someone who has contributed as much 
as the unstoppable machine.   

As for Apple hiring, I think that is great.   As for myself, I am currently 
working for Uncle Sam and I have another year on my contract.  Well, the WO 
train is definitely something to look forward to.

Later,

Daniel Beatty 
Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch 
Code 4743000 
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From: webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com on behalf 
of David Avendasora
Sent: Thu 4/22/2010 8:45 AM
To: Alan Ward
Cc: WO Dev Group
Subject: Re: announcement
 
:-) I think we're all hoping/expecting that that's the case, but there's been 
others who start working at Apple and then suddenly stop posting, or only post 
rarely. 

With someone as high profile and insanely helpful as Mike I think many of us 
are just a little nervous about it.

Dave

On Apr 22, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Alan Ward wrote:

 
 Mike's not going to disappear you know.  
 
 On Apr 22, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:
 
 1+, Apple should only hire anonymous WO devs, not the ones who are actually 
 helping the community :-)
 
 No! don't take everyone from the list ;-)
 
 d
 
 On 2010-04-22, at 7:45 AM, Alan Ward wrote:
 
 
 We're hiring.
 Alan
 
 On Apr 21, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
 
 If you know WO and want to work at Apple, just ask them.  I know they 
 don't have enough skilled WO developers.  I am not sure they could ever 
 have enough.
 
 
 Chuck
 
 On Apr 21, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Lon Varscsak wrote:
 
 Maybe Apple should just hire us all and be done with it. :P  We're a 
 drop in the bucket compared to all of their employees world wide.
 
 On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net 
 wrote:
 Sure is getting lonely here, outside of The Mother Ship.
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNQRfBAzSzo
 
 Well, that is the end of an era.  I am sure that Bill and everyone at 
 mDimension will sorely miss you.  My thanks to Bill  Co for all the 
 past and future support of WebObjects (and Mike).  It has been really 
 great and it is good to know that they will remain active in WebObjects 
 (albeit at perhaps a slightly less frantic pace).
 
 And congratulations to Apple for sucking Mike The Unstoppable Code 
 Machine Schrag into it's black hole vortex of WO developers.  Did I 
 mention it is getting lonely out here?  I am sure good things will come 
 of this.  I hope we still see you on the lists now and then.
 
 Looking forward to seeing you again at WWDC / WOWODC.
 
 
 Chuck
 
 
 
 On Apr 21, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Mike Schrag wrote:
 
 Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my 
 last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. 
 Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my 
 responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a 
 really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, 
 with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work 
 recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of 
 the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of 
 exciting things in the future.
 
 As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have 
 been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before 
 I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and 
 how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a 
 bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on 
 The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the 
 community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, 
 Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I 
 applaud them for that.
 
 For the things you guys may directly care about:
 
 * WOLips - still working on it
 * Wonder - still working on it
 * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers
 * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity
 
 To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can 
 use my msch...@pobox.com email address.
 
 
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RE: Core services design patern

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

 Greetings Joe, Tim, and the rest of the gang,
I could probably make some contributions to this cause.  

I do have proposed structures being tested out to safeguard the fruits of my 
dissertation.  These are designed to be compliant with the authentication 
mechanisms OpenSSO, Mobile Access Server and Shibboleth.   Thus we shall see.  
Whether I get far enough by WOWODC is any ones guess. If my dissertation 
proposal is sound and can go through as it is right now, then chances are that 
I would have the time to finish it.  If not, then that is in doubt.

Later,
Daniel Beatty
Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch
Code 474300D
2400 E. Pilot Plant Rd. M/S 1109
China Lake, CA 93555
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(760)939-7097 

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[mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On 
Behalf Of Joe Little
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:46
To: David Avendasora
Cc: WebObjects-Dev List
Subject: Re: Core services design patern

Sadly I doubt I'd be able to build out a framework by August nor get the 
necessary funding to attend WOWODC, but perhaps the following event? Then 
again, Tim might be further along. I will start a project come Sept 1 that will 
involve OpenSSO for use with Shibboleth for Stanford that is not WO related, 
but I'll then be retrofitting most of my WO projects to use that effort shortly 
afterwards. I think 2011 is a safe target date (sadly) for anything from me.

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 4:02 PM, David Avendasora webobje...@avendasora.com 
wrote:
 Now this sounds like a great WOWODC talk, especially by someone that has just 
 implemented it!

 Dave

 On Jan 30, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Tim Worman wrote:

 I'll be implementing shib here for at least one of my solutions in the very 
 near future. UCLA has migrated to it for all web authentication. I'd 
 definitely be interested to see what others have done with it. I'm actually 
 really looking forward to getting it done. It should definitely simplify a 
 lot of the log in process as far as my app is concerned.

 Tim Worman
 UCLA GSEIS

 On Jan 30, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Joe Little wrote:

 I've been wanting to get my but off the ground and build out a WO 
 howto on integrating with Shib. OpenSSO might make it easier, but 
 the end result is still just getting a REMOTE_USER back that is 
 asserted to be ok. Authorization levels won't be know, but most 
 store that in-app (internal) or reference indirectly via LDAP or the 
 methods noted above.

 On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 6:46 AM, Daniel Beatty danielbea...@mac.com wrote:
 Greetings Xavier, Mike, Cheong, and the Practical guys, There are 
 two features emerging that kind of like for this idea.   One is the 
 CardDAV notion and second is this assertion authentication pattern that 
 has been implemented by Mobile Access Service, OpenSSO, and Shibboleth.   
 A link to the CardDAV reference, even if kept semi-private, would be 
 sufficient to have a unique reference to any user to be had.   Since both 
 Apple and Amazon seem to be making such a standard available, then it 
 makes sense for authorization.

 If the Java OpenSSO (https://opensso.dev.java.net/) libraries can use the 
 assertions found in Shibboleth and Mobile Access environments, then this 
 would be a most useful for a wide spread and deployed WO app.

 But, Chuck may already have me on the certified list.   Certified for 
 what, don't ask.

 Later,


 Daniel Beatty, ABD
 Computer Scientist
 China Lake Naval Air Warfare Center dan.bea...@me.com





 On Jan 29, 2010, at 4:35 AM, Xavier Destombes wrote:

 Hello Cheong,

 Portability isn't a requirement for us, we just need to ensure we're 
 using standard like if we use an Open Directory it's not a big deal, we 
 will eventually only have to redo our read/write method to the ldap, but 
 the attributes will be correct.
 We also have more and more related services, some come directly from OS X 
 Server and some from our apps so being tied to the OS isn't an issue.

 What you explained also tells me I won't have to deal with security that 
 much if I forward this to the ldap;)

 I'll probably have to dig a little bit more on this to understand how 
 security will be handled for exemple in the following case:
 -someone trying to log to another user: if the ldap banish it for like 
 15mn after the 3rd attempt, I have to make sure the ldap get the correct 
 originated IP and not the one from the core web app

 I've got quite a bunch of things to clarify before actually do it...

 Thanks for your inputs,

 Xavier



 Coincidentally, I have completed a small framework on this same request 
 from customer.  It is a pure java framework since it is aimed to be 
 portable to any application e.g. Broadvision, WO.  Quite similar that it 
 creates new user password, authenticates user/password and returned 
 error messages.  It also has the user capabilities on the access module 
 level.  I used 

RE: FrontBase 5

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

 Greetings Pascal,
Who could tell the difference? 

Later,
Dan

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Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 18:03
To: Chuck Hill
Cc: WebObjectsDev Development
Subject: Re: FrontBase 5

That sounds like a Chuck Norris fact :-P

 Chuck knew that 5 was coming out.


 On Jan 7, 2010, at 4:54 PM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:

 I just wish I had know about the lack of 64-bit intel in FrontBase 
 when Chuck was vehemently attacking MySQL a while back ;-)

 On Jan 7, 2010, at 6:38 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:

 Geert said it's been in production use with one of their customers 
 since July ... So it's not really a .0 release.

 ms

 On Jan 7, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists wrote:

 Hi Cail,

 Thank you. This is great!

 Is it stable enough for upgrading our large scale deployments?

 Or is it still going to be a dot zero release for a while.

 With Kind Regards,

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 Just got an email from Geert at FrontBase that FB5 should be 
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RE: [MEET] Toronto Area Cocoa WebObjects Developer Group - January 26

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

 
Greeting Karl,
Sounds good.  If only I could see it, even from afar.

Later,
Daniel Beatty
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The next meeting of tacow/Toronto CocoaHeads will be held on Tuesday, January 
26 at 6:30 PM at Ryerson University.

Note that this meeting is two weeks later than usual; also, we're no longer 
using the same meeting room. Up-to-date info and directions are available at 
http://groups.google.com/group/tacow and http://tacow.org/.


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RE: SQLite?

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

 Greetings James,
Well, don't congratulate me yet.  It is just an attempt, and I have not gotten 
very far yet on its development.   

None the less, that is how Google claims that Gears is implemented, at least on 
OSX.   It depends on SQLite for its local storage.   How they are doing it on 
the iPhone is probably through Core Data.   

As for implementing EOF via GWT, Gears seems to be the way to go.   Granted, a 
true Core Data to/from EOF would be better.  There is a Gears API for GWT, and 
there is a pretty good book on Safari that gives a pretty good dictionary 
structure example.  

As far as the intersection is concerned, we can only request features as far as 
I know.  That would be one really nice feature.  

In any case, it is just a couple ideas and my coffee is now gone.

Later,
Daniel Beatty
Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch
Code 474300D
2400 E. Pilot Plant Rd. M/S 1109
China Lake, CA 93555
daniel.bea...@navy.mil
(760)939-7097 

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From: James Cicenia [mailto:ja...@jimijon.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 10:35
To: Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D
Cc: webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com
Subject: Re: SQLite?

Well that was quite the mashup you just wrote. With more than a few obscure or 
unreleased references to boot! Having said all that let me try do dive in.

Now I thought that Gears was sort of a Dashboardesque technology to be replaced 
by HTML5 ? 
Anyway are you saying that you can take an EO Model and wind up with a sqlite 
(Gears) database at the other end going through Google Web Toolkit?


My problem

I want local sqlite datasets on the iPhone  to be distributed/synced by a 
webobjects application. And, conversely allow uploads of sqlite databases. 

Now of course I will probably also be using or incorporating some REST stuff 
vs. databases. So is that where Gianuia and CoreData intersect? 
Can I use CoreData and easily sync it?

Interaction hierarchy for agents and services would certainly be nice for some 
e-commerce strategies.

Thanks
James





 
 Greetings James,
 Well, I can claim to a have a true success, but I winging it for what it is 
 worth.   The approach that I am taking right now is to include a manager 
 similar to EO on Google Gears.  I like the fact that one can use the 
 architecture of the EO ORM, apply through GWT to Gears to provide some 
 persistency.
 
 I think that the grand Italian chocolate factory could take this notion a bit 
 further.   For starters, Gianduia could include hooks for Core Data to sync 
 with WO powered apps in such a way that the iPhone app can still use that 
 model offline.   Gears does a reasonable job, but it is confined to the web 
 browser.   It would be nice if a WebKit implemented application could allow 
 that persistency to be synced with the rest of the application.  
 
 Also, it would be nice to provide an interaction hierarchy for agents from 
 multiple services to work together in a secure manner.   Granted, this could 
 be a result of some funny stuff in this California water or academic Texas 
 Kool-Aid.   None the less, this would a way to provide cloud based load 
 balancing.  
 
 What does the rest of the community think?
 
 Daniel Beatty
 Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch Code 474300D 2400 E. 
 Pilot Plant Rd. M/S 1109 China Lake, CA 93555 daniel.bea...@navy.mil
 (760)939-7097
 
 
 
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 On Behalf Of James Cicenia
 Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 9:35
 To: WebObjects-Dev Apple
 Subject: SQLite?
 
 With the advent of iPhone development SQLite is becoming more in demand.
 
 Can EntityModeler read SQLite? I didn't see a plugin when I just now created 
 a new EOModel via all the Wonder goodness. I was hoping to reverse engineer 
 one.
 
 What are others doing? 
 
 James Cicenia
 
 
 
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RE: Dr. Miguel 'Optimistic Locking' Arroz [was Re:WebObjects stress Testing tool?]

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Greetings Tim,
Well I have been fortunate that my university did not come down on me for using 
MySQL.   Of course, it was a large database and that stifled the dispute.   

One thing I have noticed recently was a vulnerabilities warning about MySQL.   
At the moment, I am running the OS X Server stock variety.  I hope that such a 
fix is as simple as a software update. 


Any-who,  I like the fact that MySQL is going to be supported for some time to 
come.   It has some nice features.   So does PostgreSQL.   I particularly like 
PostgreSQL's spatial query features, and would love that support in EO.   I 
also like the prospect of clustering MySQL.   Hopefully, Oracle does not water 
that down. 

[OT] Do you know when MySQL is going to be around for any training seminars?   
I would think that UCLA has a better shot than most.   

Catch you later,


Daniel Beatty 
Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch 
Code 4743000 
2400 E. Pilot Plant Rd. 
China Lake, CA 93555-6107 
daniel.bea...@navy.mil 
(760) 939-7097 



-Original Message-
From: webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com on behalf 
of Tim Worman
Sent: Thu 12/3/2009 3:39 PM
To: WebObjects Development
Subject: Re: Dr. Miguel 'Optimistic Locking' Arroz [was Re:WebObjects   stress 
Testing tool?]
 
I'm also staring down a future with MySQL - for a much different reason. Our 
school has a lot of institutional knowledge of FileMaker Pro. I'm moving 
towards WO as the editing mechanism and leveraging that institutional knowledge 
for users' report writing needs. FMP only supports 3 databases for 
transparently including external ODBC data sources - and MySQL is the only 
option for us.

Up to now I've been using OpenBase and been extremely pleased with it but 
FileMaker's got me by the short and curlies. I have been following Kieran's 
support of MySQL and I'm glad to see others see similar benefits.

Tim Worman
UCLA GSEIS

On Dec 3, 2009, at 3:20 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:

 Also, full disclosure -- i DO use Postgresql and I think it's a great 
 database, but I always feel a little queasy when I do a deployment with PG 
 without clustering support. There's always the feeling of i sure hope this 
 doesn't screw me. FrontBase has clustering, but has an obnoxious bug with 
 clustered sequences which basically requires that you use guid pks, which 
 none of our stuff does, so it's pretty likely MySQL is in my future.
 
 ms
 
 On Dec 3, 2009, at 6:18 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
 
 Caveat here -- I don't use MySQL (yet) for anything real.  InnoDB is acid, 
 though.  I agree that you should never run a myisam mysql for most normal 
 systems and that it's strange that this is the default, but the fact is that 
 you CAN set it to innodb, and it's a perfectly capable (if not VERY capable) 
 database.
 
 Soo -- I'm calling this out as FUD. Search google for postgresql 
 corruption and you'll get plenty of matches, too:
 Results 1 - 10 of about 164,000 for postgresql corruption.
 Results 1 - 10 of about 12,700 for mysql innodb corruption.
 
 There are quite a few huge systems that are running on MySQL. And the simple 
 fact that you can cluster it actually makes it far more resilient than 
 postgresql. Go try to setup a fault tolerant deployment of PG. Have fun and 
 let me know when you're done.
 
 ms
 
 On Dec 3, 2009, at 6:10 PM, Miguel Arroz wrote:
 
 Hi!
 
 There is nothing specifically wrong about using MySQL as a database for 
 WO. What's wrong is using MySQL at all! ;)
 
 Essentially, it sucks. The first concern of MySQL authors is speed, and 
 only then correctioness. This may be seen my the existence of InnoDB 
 itself. First, speed. A few years later, yeah, this actually might be 
 usable in something else than a blog if we actually add ACID properties to 
 it!
 
 In my Univ, the IT team who deals with the central systems moved everything 
 they could from mysql to PostgreSQL. Among other reasons, once in a while a 
 MySQL table corrupted itself. PostgreSQL is much more robust.
 
 As always in software engineering, everything is a compromise. There may be 
 a few situations where MySQL is dramatically faster than PostgreSQL, and 
 the inverse is also true, it depends on the usage and the DB architecture. 
 This to say that you should use what better suits your needs. But what I 
 would not expect is MySQL to... you know... work! ;)
 
 Yours
 
 Miguel Arroz
 
 On 2009/12/03, at 22:58, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
 
 Miguel, anyone, please enlighten me as to what specifically is wrong with 
 using MySQL InnoDB as a database for WO because I have not seen any 
 problem, but then I have not used PostgreSQL or FrontBase either - so 
 maybe I don't see a problem that I should be concerned about.
 
 -Kieran
 
 On Dec 3, 2009, at 5:41 PM, Miguel Arroz wrote:
 
 Hi!
 
 On 2009/12/03, at 22:32, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
 
 I create new OSCs for most background tasks. The one thing is that I 
 dispose() on it at the end of the task  and 

RE: Dr. Miguel 'Optimistic Locking' Arroz [was Re:WebObjects stress Testing tool?]

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Greetings Andre,
Or for that matter, why not Oracle DB2, or SAP.   Of course using MSSQL has its 
reasons, like sadomasochism.  

Later,

Daniel Beatty 
Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch 
Code 4743000 
2400 E. Pilot Plant Rd. 
China Lake, CA 93555-6107 
daniel.bea...@navy.mil 
(760) 939-7097 



-Original Message-
From: webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com on behalf 
of André Mitra
Sent: Thu 12/3/2009 4:14 PM
To: WebObjects Development
Subject: Re: Dr. Miguel 'Optimistic Locking' Arroz [was Re:WebObjects   stress 
Testing tool?]
 
So, why not use OpenBase? Or does it have to be free...

On 2009-12-03, at 6:20 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:

 Also, full disclosure -- i DO use Postgresql and I think it's a great 
 database, but I always feel a little queasy when I do a deployment with PG 
 without clustering support. There's always the feeling of i sure hope this 
 doesn't screw me. FrontBase has clustering, but has an obnoxious bug with 
 clustered sequences which basically requires that you use guid pks, which 
 none of our stuff does, so it's pretty likely MySQL is in my future.
 
 ms
 
 On Dec 3, 2009, at 6:18 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
 
 Caveat here -- I don't use MySQL (yet) for anything real.  InnoDB is acid, 
 though.  I agree that you should never run a myisam mysql for most normal 
 systems and that it's strange that this is the default, but the fact is that 
 you CAN set it to innodb, and it's a perfectly capable (if not VERY capable) 
 database.
 
 Soo -- I'm calling this out as FUD. Search google for postgresql 
 corruption and you'll get plenty of matches, too:
 Results 1 - 10 of about 164,000 for postgresql corruption.
 Results 1 - 10 of about 12,700 for mysql innodb corruption.
 
 There are quite a few huge systems that are running on MySQL. And the simple 
 fact that you can cluster it actually makes it far more resilient than 
 postgresql. Go try to setup a fault tolerant deployment of PG. Have fun and 
 let me know when you're done.
 
 ms
 
 On Dec 3, 2009, at 6:10 PM, Miguel Arroz wrote:
 
 Hi!
 
 There is nothing specifically wrong about using MySQL as a database for 
 WO. What's wrong is using MySQL at all! ;)
 
 Essentially, it sucks. The first concern of MySQL authors is speed, and 
 only then correctioness. This may be seen my the existence of InnoDB 
 itself. First, speed. A few years later, yeah, this actually might be 
 usable in something else than a blog if we actually add ACID properties to 
 it!
 
 In my Univ, the IT team who deals with the central systems moved everything 
 they could from mysql to PostgreSQL. Among other reasons, once in a while a 
 MySQL table corrupted itself. PostgreSQL is much more robust.
 
 As always in software engineering, everything is a compromise. There may be 
 a few situations where MySQL is dramatically faster than PostgreSQL, and 
 the inverse is also true, it depends on the usage and the DB architecture. 
 This to say that you should use what better suits your needs. But what I 
 would not expect is MySQL to... you know... work! ;)
 
 Yours
 
 Miguel Arroz
 
 On 2009/12/03, at 22:58, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
 
 Miguel, anyone, please enlighten me as to what specifically is wrong with 
 using MySQL InnoDB as a database for WO because I have not seen any 
 problem, but then I have not used PostgreSQL or FrontBase either - so 
 maybe I don't see a problem that I should be concerned about.
 
 -Kieran
 
 On Dec 3, 2009, at 5:41 PM, Miguel Arroz wrote:
 
 Hi!
 
 On 2009/12/03, at 22:32, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
 
 I create new OSCs for most background tasks. The one thing is that I 
 dispose() on it at the end of the task  and the dispose() is only 
 useful if you use ERXJDBCAdaptor is used since the regular WO 5.3 jdbc 
 adaptor opens two connections for every OSC and leaves the stupid 
 things open forever. ERXJDBCAdaptor only opens one db connection and 
 releases it when u call dispose() IIRC.
 
 Dude! 
 http://terminalapp.net/webobjects-postgresql-and-db-growing-and-growing/
  ;)
 
 Dude!  www.mysql.com - innodb (or cluster NDB)  doesn't grow and 
 grow   (and it is not a toy, no matter what Chuck says ;-)  )
 
 No, it's a disaster! ;)
 
 The growing is a side effect of leaving the transaction opening that 
 happens on PostgreSQL due to its architecture, but the point is the same, 
 do what I say there to avoid the dumb connection. :)
 
 Yours
 
 Miguel Arroz
 
 
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RE: WOWODC 2010 : official date and venue

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Greetings Mark, 
Sounds like a plan.  I know of a little hotel named the Orleans that happens to 
be a 4 or 5 star that would suit us quite nicely.   The only trick now is 
making all arrangements and setting a date.

Also, there is a potential down the road for the need of a Western Small Nerd 
Ranch event out here where I work in Ridgecrest, CA.  I have word from both 
the Naval base and the local community college that we could use their 
facilities for such thing.   

At least here I can apply a little more influence than what I had at Texas Tech 
(which was practically none).   

Later,
Daniel Beatty
Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch
Code 474300D
2400 E. Pilot Plant Rd. M/S 1109
China Lake, CA 93555
daniel.bea...@navy.mil
(760)939-7097 

 

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[mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On 
Behalf Of Mark Ritchie
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 18:52
To: Daniel Beatty
Cc: WebObjects-Dev List
Subject: Re: WOWODC 2010 : official date and venue

On 19/Nov/2009, at 6:14 PM, Daniel Beatty wrote:
 By the way, do we have any WO developers near the Las Vegas or Phoenix 
 area?  I am currently working near enough to be in the So Cal WO 
 Developer's Group and LV WO Developer's Group if there were such a 
 thing.  LV would be a great place for a mini-WOWODC.

I'm in Cupertino... A little far for weekly or monthly events however I could 
make it for special events! ;-) M.
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RE: WOWODC 2010 : official date and venue

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Greetings Pascal,
Don't we have some fine WO developers working in the Bay Area?  Admittedly, I 
am current working with the Los Angeles area WO developers to get a gig going, 
but that is another story.   I would think our SF WO warriors could scout out 
the hotels ahead of time, and know which one is what.  

Then again, there is Vegas.

Later,
Daniel Beatty
Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch
Code 474300D
2400 E. Pilot Plant Rd. M/S 1109
China Lake, CA 93555
daniel.bea...@navy.mil
(760)939-7097 

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[mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On 
Behalf Of Pascal Robert
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 12:08
To: Lon Varscsak
Cc: Apple WO-Dev
Subject: Re: WOWODC 2010 : official date and venue

Well, I said that I can't afford to go over there to look at hotels. Last year 
we went to the Whitcomb because I was told that Net access was really good by 
someone who went there in 2008, and everyone who attended knows that Net access 
was more Net disconnect... When you have to get up at 4am to get a slight 
chance of getting Wifi, that's bad.

Here I get service, I can look at the rooms and try Net access BEFORE signing 
the contract, Net access is free both inside the guest and the meeting rooms, 
and I don't have to pay 30$ per day for a damn powerbar, all advantages + it 
cost 30% less to do it here. Doing a 3 days/2 tracks session in SF would cost 
at least $200 more than here.

We do plan to go back to SF (or somewhere else on the west coast) in 2011 IF 
someone is willing to help me out to go to the hotels and find a A/V provider. 
I'm a bit tired of having bad surprises (and bad service) at the hotel every 
year.



No WOWODC in SF?  That's a shame.

-Lon


On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Timo Hoepfner th-...@onlinehome.de 
wrote:


Am 19.11.2009 um 19:42 schrieb Chuck Hill:

 Ok guys and gals. It's official, WOWODC 2010 will be on 
August 27th, 28th and 27th

 Unless people in Montreal count funny, I think he meant 
August 27th, 28th and 29th

ROTFL

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RE: RESTful EOAdaptor for key-value stores

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Greetings James,
I have looking into this issue as well.  Turns out that Wonder supplies another 
RESTful framework close to the definition that Ruby on Rails uses.  Mike 
presented on this subject at WOWODC 2009 west.   From what I can tell, it also 
has the create, update and delete components of the CRUD-REST.  

My approach on this is to make the service with D2W first, and then add the 
Route Controller afterwards.  In the process of doing the D2W thing, one takes 
the time to refine their model to ensure that it will be ok in the RESTful 
case.   If refining the model is not possible, because the model is a legacy 
that must be supported with a fraction of a terabyte of stuff, then the 
reference that Ramsey made on Flow control may be the way to go.   I am still 
investigating this option, and hope to get back with you on it.  

Later,
Daniel Beatty
Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch
Code 474300D
2400 E. Pilot Plant Rd. M/S 1109
China Lake, CA 93555
daniel.bea...@navy.mil
(760)939-7097  

-Original Message-
From: webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com 
[mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On 
Behalf Of Brook, James
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 9:02
To: WebObjects-Dev Apple
Subject: RESTful EOAdaptor for key-value stores

I am thinking about making use of a distributed key-value store for something I 
am working on. Perhaps CouchDB, Reddit or Tokyo Cabinet. I am wondering what 
the best approach for talking to the database will be. I am thinking along the 
lines of an EOAdaptor. I see that Project Wonder provides an experimental 
JavaRESTAdaptor (read only). Does anyone have any experience with this sort of 
integration? Would my best approach be to start with javaRESTAdaptor and build 
a new adaptor that can handle writes and deletes as well?

It seems that these types of data stores have a lot of potential for data that 
is not particularly hierarchical because they are fast and easily distributed.

Any thoughts would be welcome.

--
James

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RE: WO Mini conference in Southern California

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

 Greetings Tim,
So it looks like Wednesday is a better day.  I spotted the store in Pasadena.  
How is the parking there?   

Later,
Daniel Beatty
Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch
Code 474300D
2400 E. Pilot Plant Rd. M/S 1109
China Lake, CA 93555
daniel.bea...@navy.mil
(760)939-7097 

-Original Message-
From: webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com 
[mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On 
Behalf Of Tim Worman
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 8:10
To: Daniel Beatty
Cc: WebObjects-Dev List; Josh Paul
Subject: Re: WO Mini conference in Southern California

I would love to hook up with you guys on Tuesday but:

a. it's my birthday
b. my little boy will be with me

Dan - you may want to look at the Apple Store in Old Town Pasadena too. That's 
a great spot to hang out and there's lots of little spots to grab something to 
eat/drink.

Tim

Tim Worman
UCLA GSEIS

On Nov 9, 2009, at 7:17 AM, Daniel Beatty wrote:

 Greetings Josh,
 Could work.  Wednesday or Friday would be better for me.
 
 Since I have found the way to the Apple Store at the Grove (assuming that is 
 not the only one in Los Angeles).   We could walk across the street to that 
 Barnes and Noble, visit, drink coffee, and talk WO.
 
 Later,
 Dan
 
 On Nov 7, 2009, at 9:33 PM, Josh Paul wrote:
 
 Which Apple Store?
 
 Are you up for a Tues. meeting?
 
 On Nov 7, 2009, at 2:28 PM, DANIEL BEATTY wrote:
 
 Greetings Josh,
 Worth a try.  Anyway, I am across from  the Apple store.  Want to visit?
 
 Later,
 Dan
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone (806)438-6620
 
 On Nov 6, 2009, at 11:18 AM, Josh Paul joshp...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Interesting.
 
 I wonder if we could link up with NSCoder somehow.
 
 I know many meet at Panera, which offers WiFi access.
 
 On Nov 5, 2009, at 2:51 PM, David Avendasora wrote:
 
 Hey Daniel, Josh and Tim,
 
 Andrew Kinnie and I are trying to work out the details for webcasting our 
 WONoVA meeting this Tuesday (the 10th). Maybe the three of you can get 
 together and we can at least link the two meetings together! WONoVA and 
 WOSoCA.
 
 Dave
 
 On Nov 5, 2009, at 5:32 PM, Tim Worman wrote:
 
 Josh and Daniel:
 
 I would be interested in having a meeting for So Cal. My schedule is 
 pretty tight right now but it would definitely be good to get something 
 going. There's other options for presentation - I work at UCLA and I 
 could possibly host something. Apple also has a place in Santa Monica 
 where they host events, do trainings, etc.
 
 T
 
 On Nov 5, 2009, at 1:40 PM, Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D wrote:
 
 Greetings Josh,
 That reduces the time from about 3 to 2 1/2 hours at best.  It is do 
 able though.   Although, we might want to ask the Apple Store if they 
 would be willing to allow us to use their theater, at for a couple of 
 presentations or occasions.  Besides, it allows them to get my 
 undivided attention in their toy shop.
 
 Later,
 
 
 Daniel Beatty
 Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch Code 4743000 2400 
 E. Pilot Plant Rd.
 China Lake, CA 93555-6107
 daniel.bea...@navy.mil
 (760) 939-7097
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Josh Paul [mailto:joshp...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thu 11/5/2009 9:40 AM
 To: Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D
 Subject: Re: WO Mini conference in Southern California
 
 Would Burbank work for you?
 
 On Nov 4, 2009, at 10:40 AM, Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D wrote:
 
 Greetings Josh,
 Any place a guy driving in from the valley can get to.  From 
 what Google maps said, the Grove is a good 3 hour drive.  Well 
 worth it, but still 3 hours.
 
 I would be driving in from North of Mojave.  If that helps.  
 One thing that would be nice if the Grove store would game to 
 produce podcasts of our meetings for community benefit.  The 
 last place I did that, I kind of had to provide my own.  That 
 was alright as it was an university and I could hodge-podge some Macs 
 and Suns together.
 
 I look forward to such a meeting and plan to spread the word, 
 Daniel Beatty Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch 
 Code 474300D 2400 E. Pilot Plant Rd. M/S 1109 China Lake, CA 
 93555 daniel.bea...@navy.mil
 (760)939-7097
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Josh Paul [mailto:joshp...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 10:34
 To: Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D
 Cc: webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com
 Subject: Re: WO Mini conference in Southern California
 
 Off the top of my head, no.
 
 I know the Store at The Grove has (had?) a theater, and I used 
 to present sessions there. But I'm not sure if they still are open to 
 it.
 I can call and check.
 
 Also, Apple Corp. has (had?) an office in Santa Monica that we 
 used to be able to meet at.
 
 Do you have a preference where in LA? Beaches (Santa Monica, 
 Venice), Downtown, Sunset, Burbank, Valley?
 
 On Nov 4, 2009, at 10:30 AM, Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 
 474300D
 wrote:
 
 Greetings Josh,
 Got a spot where we can meet?  I

RE: WO Mini conference in Southern California

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Greetings Josh,
Then Friday it is.   I will try to make enough time to find that Pasadena 
store.   Hopefully parking is not to bad.   I hope that it is easier than what 
the directions gave me for finding the Grove.  It had me navigating a 
neighborhood, which seemed to be an excessive way to go on a Saturday in 
Beverly Hills.

Later,

Daniel Beatty 
Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch 
Code 4743000 
2400 E. Pilot Plant Rd. 
China Lake, CA 93555-6107 
daniel.bea...@navy.mil 
(760) 939-7097 



-Original Message-
From: webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com on behalf 
of Josh Paul
Sent: Mon 11/9/2009 10:11 AM
To: Daniel Beatty
Cc: Alex Cone; WebObjects-Dev List
Subject: Re: WO Mini conference in Southern California
 
Wednesday is Veteran's Day, so it won't work.

However, Friday could...and as a bonus I believe Mr. Alex Cone will be  
in town.

I wonder if we could work a meetup with him  others.

???

On Nov 9, 2009, at 7:17 AM, Daniel Beatty wrote:

 Greetings Josh,
 Could work.  Wednesday or Friday would be better for me.

 Since I have found the way to the Apple Store at the Grove (assuming  
 that is not the only one in Los Angeles).   We could walk across the  
 street to that Barnes and Noble, visit, drink coffee, and talk WO.

 Later,
 Dan

 On Nov 7, 2009, at 9:33 PM, Josh Paul wrote:

 Which Apple Store?

 Are you up for a Tues. meeting?

 On Nov 7, 2009, at 2:28 PM, DANIEL BEATTY wrote:

 Greetings Josh,
 Worth a try.  Anyway, I am across from  the Apple store.  Want to  
 visit?

 Later,
 Dan


 Sent from my iPhone (806)438-6620

 On Nov 6, 2009, at 11:18 AM, Josh Paul joshp...@gmail.com wrote:

 Interesting.

 I wonder if we could link up with NSCoder somehow.

 I know many meet at Panera, which offers WiFi access.

 On Nov 5, 2009, at 2:51 PM, David Avendasora wrote:

 Hey Daniel, Josh and Tim,

 Andrew Kinnie and I are trying to work out the details for  
 webcasting our WONoVA meeting this Tuesday (the 10th). Maybe the  
 three of you can get together and we can at least link the two  
 meetings together! WONoVA and WOSoCA.

 Dave

 On Nov 5, 2009, at 5:32 PM, Tim Worman wrote:

 Josh and Daniel:

 I would be interested in having a meeting for So Cal. My  
 schedule is pretty tight right now but it would definitely be  
 good to get something going. There's other options for  
 presentation - I work at UCLA and I could possibly host  
 something. Apple also has a place in Santa Monica where they  
 host events, do trainings, etc.

 T

 On Nov 5, 2009, at 1:40 PM, Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR,  
 474300D wrote:

 Greetings Josh,
 That reduces the time from about 3 to 2 1/2 hours at best.  It  
 is do able though.   Although, we might want to ask the Apple  
 Store if they would be willing to allow us to use their  
 theater, at for a couple of presentations or occasions.   
 Besides, it allows them to get my undivided attention in their  
 toy shop.

 Later,


 Daniel Beatty
 Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch
 Code 4743000
 2400 E. Pilot Plant Rd.
 China Lake, CA 93555-6107
 daniel.bea...@navy.mil
 (760) 939-7097



 -Original Message-
 From: Josh Paul [mailto:joshp...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thu 11/5/2009 9:40 AM
 To: Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D
 Subject: Re: WO Mini conference in Southern California

 Would Burbank work for you?

 On Nov 4, 2009, at 10:40 AM, Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR,  
 474300D wrote:

 Greetings Josh,
 Any place a guy driving in from the valley can get to.  From  
 what
 Google maps said, the Grove is a good 3 hour drive.  Well  
 worth it,
 but still 3 hours.

 I would be driving in from North of Mojave.  If that helps.   
 One
 thing that would be nice if the Grove store would game to  
 produce
 podcasts of our meetings for community benefit.  The last  
 place I
 did that, I kind of had to provide my own.  That was alright  
 as it
 was an university and I could hodge-podge some Macs and Suns  
 together.

 I look forward to such a meeting and plan to spread the word,
 Daniel Beatty
 Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch
 Code 474300D
 2400 E. Pilot Plant Rd. M/S 1109
 China Lake, CA 93555
 daniel.bea...@navy.mil
 (760)939-7097



 -Original Message-
 From: Josh Paul [mailto:joshp...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 10:34
 To: Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D
 Cc: webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com
 Subject: Re: WO Mini conference in Southern California

 Off the top of my head, no.

 I know the Store at The Grove has (had?) a theater, and I  
 used to
 present sessions there. But I'm not sure if they still are  
 open to it.
 I can call and check.

 Also, Apple Corp. has (had?) an office in Santa Monica that  
 we used
 to be able to meet at.

 Do you have a preference where in LA? Beaches (Santa Monica,
 Venice), Downtown, Sunset, Burbank, Valley?

 On Nov 4, 2009, at 10:30 AM, Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR,  
 474300D
 wrote:

 Greetings Josh,
 Got a spot where we

RE: WO Mini conference in Southern California

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Greetings Josh,
That reduces the time from about 3 to 2 1/2 hours at best.  It is do able 
though.   Although, we might want to ask the Apple Store if they would be 
willing to allow us to use their theater, at for a couple of presentations or 
occasions.  Besides, it allows them to get my undivided attention in their toy 
shop. 

Later,


Daniel Beatty 
Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch 
Code 4743000 
2400 E. Pilot Plant Rd. 
China Lake, CA 93555-6107 
daniel.bea...@navy.mil 
(760) 939-7097 



-Original Message-
From: Josh Paul [mailto:joshp...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thu 11/5/2009 9:40 AM
To: Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D
Subject: Re: WO Mini conference in Southern California
 
Would Burbank work for you?

On Nov 4, 2009, at 10:40 AM, Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D wrote:

 Greetings Josh,
 Any place a guy driving in from the valley can get to.  From what  
 Google maps said, the Grove is a good 3 hour drive.  Well worth it,  
 but still 3 hours.

 I would be driving in from North of Mojave.  If that helps.  One  
 thing that would be nice if the Grove store would game to produce  
 podcasts of our meetings for community benefit.  The last place I  
 did that, I kind of had to provide my own.  That was alright as it  
 was an university and I could hodge-podge some Macs and Suns together.

 I look forward to such a meeting and plan to spread the word,
 Daniel Beatty
 Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch
 Code 474300D
 2400 E. Pilot Plant Rd. M/S 1109
 China Lake, CA 93555
 daniel.bea...@navy.mil
 (760)939-7097



 -Original Message-
 From: Josh Paul [mailto:joshp...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 10:34
 To: Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D
 Cc: webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com
 Subject: Re: WO Mini conference in Southern California

 Off the top of my head, no.

 I know the Store at The Grove has (had?) a theater, and I used to  
 present sessions there. But I'm not sure if they still are open to it.
 I can call and check.

 Also, Apple Corp. has (had?) an office in Santa Monica that we used  
 to be able to meet at.

 Do you have a preference where in LA? Beaches (Santa Monica,  
 Venice), Downtown, Sunset, Burbank, Valley?

 On Nov 4, 2009, at 10:30 AM, Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D  
 wrote:

 Greetings Josh,
 Got a spot where we can meet?  I thought there was an Apple Store
 somewhere in LA.  Hopefully, I don't run into characters named Snake
 either on my way in or out.

 Are weekends good?

 Later,
 Daniel Beatty
 Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch Code 474300D 2400 E.
 Pilot Plant Rd. M/S 1109 China Lake, CA 93555 daniel.bea...@navy.mil
 (760)939-7097

 -Original Message-
 From: webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com
 [mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces
 +daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On Behalf Of Josh Paul
 Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 10:04
 To: danielbea...@mac.com
 Cc: webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com
 Subject: RE: WO Mini conference in Southern California

 100% in.

 We used to have a meetup in the LA area, but it slowly quite down.
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RE: WO Mini conference in Southern California

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Greetings Tim,
Sounds great.  By the way, I would love to visit UCLA.  I hope they don't mind 
a Red Raider walking around on their campus.  From time to time, would they be 
open for seminars?  I hear that the UC system is strapped at the moment, and 
that volunteers are encouraged.  If it helps on that front, I am nearing Ph.D. 
candidacy from Texas Tech and that would add the ABD label to my name.

Thanks,
Daniel Beatty
Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch
Code 474300D
2400 E. Pilot Plant Rd. M/S 1109
China Lake, CA 93555
daniel.bea...@navy.mil
(760)939-7097 
 

-Original Message-
From: Tim Worman [mailto:li...@thetimmy.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 14:33
To: Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D
Cc: Josh Paul; webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com
Subject: Re: WO Mini conference in Southern California

Josh and Daniel:

I would be interested in having a meeting for So Cal. My schedule is pretty 
tight right now but it would definitely be good to get something going. There's 
other options for presentation - I work at UCLA and I could possibly host 
something. Apple also has a place in Santa Monica where they host events, do 
trainings, etc.

T

On Nov 5, 2009, at 1:40 PM, Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D wrote:

 Greetings Josh,
 That reduces the time from about 3 to 2 1/2 hours at best.  It is do able 
 though.   Although, we might want to ask the Apple Store if they would be 
 willing to allow us to use their theater, at for a couple of presentations or 
 occasions.  Besides, it allows them to get my undivided attention in their 
 toy shop. 
 
 Later,
 
 
 Daniel Beatty
 Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch Code 4743000 2400 E. 
 Pilot Plant Rd.
 China Lake, CA 93555-6107
 daniel.bea...@navy.mil
 (760) 939-7097
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Josh Paul [mailto:joshp...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thu 11/5/2009 9:40 AM
 To: Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D
 Subject: Re: WO Mini conference in Southern California
 
 Would Burbank work for you?
 
 On Nov 4, 2009, at 10:40 AM, Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D wrote:
 
 Greetings Josh,
 Any place a guy driving in from the valley can get to.  From what 
 Google maps said, the Grove is a good 3 hour drive.  Well worth it, 
 but still 3 hours.
 
 I would be driving in from North of Mojave.  If that helps.  One 
 thing that would be nice if the Grove store would game to produce 
 podcasts of our meetings for community benefit.  The last place I did 
 that, I kind of had to provide my own.  That was alright as it was an 
 university and I could hodge-podge some Macs and Suns together.
 
 I look forward to such a meeting and plan to spread the word, Daniel 
 Beatty Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch Code 474300D 
 2400 E. Pilot Plant Rd. M/S 1109 China Lake, CA 93555 
 daniel.bea...@navy.mil
 (760)939-7097
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Josh Paul [mailto:joshp...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 10:34
 To: Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D
 Cc: webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com
 Subject: Re: WO Mini conference in Southern California
 
 Off the top of my head, no.
 
 I know the Store at The Grove has (had?) a theater, and I used to 
 present sessions there. But I'm not sure if they still are open to it.
 I can call and check.
 
 Also, Apple Corp. has (had?) an office in Santa Monica that we used 
 to be able to meet at.
 
 Do you have a preference where in LA? Beaches (Santa Monica, Venice), 
 Downtown, Sunset, Burbank, Valley?
 
 On Nov 4, 2009, at 10:30 AM, Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D
 wrote:
 
 Greetings Josh,
 Got a spot where we can meet?  I thought there was an Apple Store 
 somewhere in LA.  Hopefully, I don't run into characters named Snake 
 either on my way in or out.
 
 Are weekends good?
 
 Later,
 Daniel Beatty
 Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch Code 474300D 2400 E.
 Pilot Plant Rd. M/S 1109 China Lake, CA 93555 daniel.bea...@navy.mil
 (760)939-7097
 
 -Original Message-
 From: webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com
 [mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces
 +daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On Behalf Of Josh Paul
 Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 10:04
 To: danielbea...@mac.com
 Cc: webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com
 Subject: RE: WO Mini conference in Southern California
 
 100% in.
 
 We used to have a meetup in the LA area, but it slowly quite down.
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RE: Gianduia and WO

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Greetings Chuck,
While some people would love make you happy about these things, I can't help 
but notice that the lasso was around you before you volunteered (for or not).   
I think the safe thing to do is to take a betting pool to see how the rope you 
in.

Later,
Daniel Beatty
Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch
Code 474300D
2400 E. Pilot Plant Rd. M/S 1109
China Lake, CA 93555
daniel.bea...@navy.mil
(760)939-7097 

 

-Original Message-
From: webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com 
[mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On 
Behalf Of Chuck Hill
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 8:49
To: Pascal Robert
Cc: webobjects-dev Apple
Subject: Re: Gianduia and WO


On Nov 4, 2009, at 5:38 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:


 Le 09-11-04 à 08:35, Kieran Kelleher a écrit :

 Tim,

 Yahoo has some nice podcast videos on javascript language and 
 concepts. I liked the Douglas Crockford ones. Easy to digest on Mac 
 or iPod.

 http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=2638
 46173

 You can learn a lot from the Ajax framework, wonder.js and use 
 Firebug (Firefox extension) to see what is going on.

 Debugging Ajax calls is one of the sessions I would like to see at 
 WOWODC :-)

I volunteer to NOT present that one.

Chuck



 I like the Douglas Crockford book from OReilly .. Javascript: The 
 Good Parts, also the Flanagn book JavaScript: Definitive Guide
 is a good reference book  it is a *big* book. The prototype and 
 scriptaculous docs are essential bookmarks too.

 HTH, Kieran

 On Nov 4, 2009, at 1:51 AM, Tim Worman wrote:

 On Nov 3, 2009, at 8:22 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:


 On Nov 3, 2009, at 8:17 PM, Ashley Aitken wrote:


 Some interesting source in those HTML pages:

 skuThumbnailC : Gianduia.AppKit.NSImage { src = 
 skuRepetitionC.objectAtEnumerationIndex.url; } skuNameC :
 Gianduia.AppKit.NSDynamicString { value = 
 skuRepetitionC.objectAtEnumerationIndex.name; } skuDescriptionC : 
 Gianduia.AppKit.NSDynamicString { value = 
 skuRepetitionC.objectAtEnumerationIndex.desc; } skuPriceC :
 Gianduia.AppKit.NSDynamicString { value = 
 skuRepetitionC.objectAtEnumerationIndex.price; }


 Gianduia.AppKit.*

 Isn't Cappuccino doing the whole implementing Cocoa in 
 Objective-J/Javascript thing?

 And hasn't Apple used SproutCore for MobileMe?

 I know nothing about Gianduia (except the obvious).

 Think Implementing WebObjects in JavaScript.  It is a brilliant 
 re-think of the browser based app.
 Chuck

 Very exciting. I'm going to have to concentrate on learning 
 JavaScript now. With, um, all my free time. I think I saw a thread 
 some months back where Kieran was asking about js reading materials. 
 Must go back and.

 Tim
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RE: WO Mini conference in Southern California

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 Greetings Josh,
Got a spot where we can meet?  I thought there was an Apple Store somewhere in 
LA.  Hopefully, I don't run into characters named Snake either on my way in or 
out.

Are weekends good?

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To: danielbea...@mac.com
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Subject: RE: WO Mini conference in Southern California

100% in.

We used to have a meetup in the LA area, but it slowly quite down.
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RE: WOWODC 2010 : call for presenters

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 Greetings Pascal,
Count me in.  This gives me time to work on and get all of those pesky 
international travel papers together so I can cross a tiny river on our border. 
 Got to love Mt. Paperwork. 

Later,
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[mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On 
Behalf Of Pascal Robert
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 11:10
To: WebObjects-Dev List
Subject: WOWODC 2010 : call for presenters

Hello everyone,

So WOWODC 2010 will be held on August 27th, 28th and 29th in Montreal.  
Ok, before people ask : why not in SF again? Plain answer : we are moving to a 
new building in July so we will be busy preparing for the move and I can't 
afford to go to SF. It also allow me to deliver a better conference since I can 
actually go to the hotel to see everything and test Net access before signing 
the contract, no bad surprises like we have every year in SF!

Still, for 2011 and later, we want to do a rotation, one year on the East coast 
of NA, one year on the West coast, and we will need co- organizers for that 
(even if I would like to, I can't go visit every city in NA in two days :-)). 
But that's for 2011 and up, we are far from that.

So mark your calendars, and if you want to present, this is the official call 
for presenters. 4 of you already said I'm in, and we will have two rooms so 
that we can have concurrent presentations (and plenty of lab time).  Check the 
Presenters FAQ here :

http://www.wocommunity.org/wowodc10/presenters-faq.html

Pricing and venue will be confirmed before the year's end, but 95% chance we 
will go back to the Gouverneur Place Dupuis like we did for WOWODC East 2009.

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RE: 2009 surveys results

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Greetings Tim,
I tend to agree with you.  Since I am out in Southern California doing my long 
internship, it might be good for us to collaborate more closely.   While I have 
the resources of Texas Tech (as I am a student there), it would be nice to see 
what I can contribute through UCLA and other institutions in the area.   Also, 
is there a Cocoa Heads or WO group here in Southern California where we can 
participate and share insight?

I know that the one at Texas Tech, I had to form it.  But, I would suspect that 
there are more WO and Cocoa developers out here in.  

Later,
Daniel Beatty
Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch
Code 474300D
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China Lake, CA 93555
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[mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On 
Behalf Of Tim Worman
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 20:42
To: Ken Foust
Cc: webobjects Apple; Miguel Arroz
Subject: Re: 2009 surveys results

I think there are definitely great materials available to learn about 
WebObjects, WOLips, Wonder. Like Ken said, I think the real issue is that all 
the materials are very scattered across different sites. More than any 
technological concerns, I think the lack of cohesiveness is what could leave 
interested parties with the impression that it's a rag-tag group of 
enthusiasts. I think good stuff is happening to mitigate that.

The truth is the technology is as pertinent as ever. Apple bases their own 
business on it and it's definitely worthwhile for developers to pursue the 
materials wherever they are. I think it could definitely be a game changer if 
there was a one-stop place for all the materials.

Tim
UCLA GSEIS

On Oct 24, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote:

 I suspect if you don't pull together the best technology will die.  I 
 still go back to apple depreciating the tools and dropping WO.  It 
 would be a hell of a lot easier if they at least had it as a option.  
 They should have you guys go back and bring it up to speed and then 
 start reselling it again with a good part of the proceeds going back 
 to you people.  Apple is building that big server farm in NC and could 
 provide a very attractive solution to many companies.  Apple should 
 probably re-vist the corporate world even if in a small way, this of 
 course would be one way.  It is obvious that the technology is very 
 sound thanks to you all and even the ones who are trying to keep WO 
 4.5 alive.  It may be crazy but I think WO should be back in the Cocoa 
 world and you guys could do that quite easily with the support of 
 apple.  The windows people may not like it but Mac are getting cheaper 
 :)
 
 thats my take
 
 
 On Oct 23, 2009, at 1:16 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:
 
 The problem with this is time... I was thinking of a online book where you 
 can ask O'Reilly or other publisher to print it and sell it to give back to 
 writers, like Thinking in Java or the MySQL manual are. And frankly, based 
 on the number of people who wanted to attend WOWODC East for the beginner 
 track was so low that's part of the reason we dropped it (the track). But at 
 the same time, people say in the surveys that the scarity of developers is a 
 problem, so it's a chicken-and-egg problem. And also the fact that's is 
 always the same group of 10-15 persons who give back to the community, which 
 is, speaking only for myself, a burden.
 
 IMHO
 You gurus need to put out a few really in-depth tutorials.  Maybe 
 each could do a little piece.  It is hard to sell something like WO 
 without a good way for people to get in the loop.  You may want to review 
 Joshua' Marker's book on WO which I thought was the absolute best for 
 attracting new people to the technology.  After reading this book you could 
 actually build a functioning WO site.  You could easily do this with a few 
 very good tutorials.
 
 ken
 On Oct 23, 2009, at 10:52 AM, Chuck Hill wrote:
 
 
 On Oct 23, 2009, at 10:27 AM, John Larson wrote:
 
 I'm kind of goading Chuck on to write a sequel to Practical WebObjects. 
  How about Absurdly Cool WebObjects?
 
 The Book of Chuck?
 
 WebObjects: Getting Chunky Wid It?
 
 I won't say never, but right now I am having a hard time getting the time 
 to finish WOVNG.
 
 Chuck
 
 
 
 On Oct 23, 2009, at 12:07 PM, Miguel Arroz wrote:
 
 Hi!
 
 On 2009/10/23, at 17:46, John  Kim Larson wrote:
 
 without having the patience to read the manual,
 
 Is there a manual?
 
 Yours
 
 Miguel Arroz
 
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RE: 2009 surveys results

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

 Greetings Chuck,
Yeah, you could have stranger titles.   Of course, those of us were learning WO 
for the first time and getting to know and love WOLips certainly appreciated 
the book.   

I should probably join you on that effort.   It is simply a matter of learning 
from the success and failure of teaching WO and slipping it in to academia.   

WO has some great mathematical properties.  Most notably in the design patterns 
employed by EO, D2W, and the application engine itself.   Thus it is note 
worthy in the academic community.   Despite that, it is really hard to 
penetrate that genre.

Hopeful, my day job will offer more luck.   The bat school seems to include a 
lot of bumpy knocks.

Later,
Daniel Beatty
Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch
Code 474300D
2400 E. Pilot Plant Rd. M/S 1109
China Lake, CA 93555
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[mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On 
Behalf Of Chuck Hill
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 10:52
To: John Larson
Cc: webobjects Apple; Miguel Arroz
Subject: Re: 2009 surveys results


On Oct 23, 2009, at 10:27 AM, John Larson wrote:

 I'm kind of goading Chuck on to write a sequel to Practical 
 WebObjects.  How about Absurdly Cool WebObjects?

The Book of Chuck?

WebObjects: Getting Chunky Wid It?

I won't say never, but right now I am having a hard time getting the time to 
finish WOVNG.

Chuck



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 Hi!

 On 2009/10/23, at 17:46, John  Kim Larson wrote:

 without having the patience to read the manual,

 Is there a manual?

 Yours

 Miguel Arroz

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RE: Eclipse 3.5 - Cocoa / Carbon or Neither?

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Greetings Lindsey,
I have noticed that the Carbon version works well under 10.5.   The Cocoa 
version with under 10.6 works well for me, at the moment.  Although, there are 
many warnings about both instability with WOLips.

Later,
Daniel Beatty
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Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 13:38
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Subject: Eclipse 3.5 - Cocoa / Carbon or Neither?

Hello;

I'm setting up a new machine and if I can go Eclipse 3.5, I'd rather.   
I've used the Cocoa build and it seems to get horribly slow after a while.  Has 
anybody tried the Carbon build and worked with it for a while?

cheers.

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RE: Eclipse 3.5 - Cocoa / Carbon or Neither?

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Greetings Mike,
Good to know.  I have to say the 3.5 that I checked out this weekend worked 
well.  It even had that MySQL reverse engineering feature working, which was 
cool for me.  

Thanks,
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Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch
Code 474300D
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-Original Message-
From: Mike Schrag [mailto:msch...@mdimension.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 14:05
To: Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D
Cc: Andrew Lindesay; webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com
Subject: Re: Eclipse 3.5 - Cocoa / Carbon or Neither?

Carbon is better, but there is no 3.5 carbon Maclipse. Cocoa is definitely VERY 
laggy, 10.5 or 10.6. There are some very substantial performance problems. 
There is a new SWT guy who seems to be quite a bit more responsive to Mac SWT 
requests, so that bodes well.

q has been bringing forward fixes from 3.6 into maclipse, so it IS getting 
better.

I don't know of any particular instability issues with WOLips on 3.5.

ms

On Oct 19, 2009, at 4:48 PM, Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D wrote:

 Greetings Lindsey,
 I have noticed that the Carbon version works well under 10.5.   The  
 Cocoa version with under 10.6 works well for me, at the moment.   
 Although, there are many warnings about both instability with WOLips.

 Later,
 Daniel Beatty
 Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch Code 474300D 2400 E. 
 Pilot Plant Rd. M/S 1109 China Lake, CA 93555 daniel.bea...@navy.mil
 (760)939-7097

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 Subject: Eclipse 3.5 - Cocoa / Carbon or Neither?

 Hello;

 I'm setting up a new machine and if I can go Eclipse 3.5, I'd rather.
 I've used the Cocoa build and it seems to get horribly slow after a 
 while.  Has anybody tried the Carbon build and worked with it for a 
 while?

 cheers.

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RE: D2W Edit Lists as shown in WOWODC 09 talk

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Greetings Dave, Mike, and all helpful mortal WODevelopers,
I am still working on the example and convoluting it for more grins than mortal 
men deserve.  This time I am following the custom D2W component notion, and 
have some confusion.   In the example that David LeBer graciously worked out he 
had a single EO object.  In context, it was applied to Inspect Movie page 
configuration.  It the object in this case the Movie object being inspected?

If so, then if the key is pointing to a to-many relationship I then would the 
presumption that standard repetition list for that relation be valid?

Later,
Daniel Beatty, ABD
Computer Scientist

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[mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On 
Behalf Of Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 14:10
To: webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com
Subject: FW: D2W Edit Lists as shown in WOWODC 09 talk

Greetings David,
Found one of your nuggets of wisdom at 
http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WO/D2W+Rules+Reference+-+Cookbook+-+FAQ.
   So far, good for the to one relationships.   However, the to many 
relationship seems have some trouble.  I still get that stupid Cheap array 
thing.

Later,


Daniel Beatty
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Rd. 
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of Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D
Sent: Sat 9/26/2009 12:49 PM
To: webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com
Subject: D2W Edit Lists as shown in WOWODC 09 talk
 
Greetings David and other helpful WO developers, I am in the process of 
building a tutorial for myself to ensure that I correctly understand D2W, hence 
the academic adage of if you want to learn something prepare a lesson for it.  
In the process, I was reviewing (again) the D2W talk from WOWODC 2009 (first 
half and great talk by the way).  

About 50 minutes into the talk, there is something there of both interest 
because it looks cool, simple, and presentable; and enviable since I can not 
seem to see how you did it.  Namely, for the edit movie page that David has, 
there are lists for directors, reviews, and characters.  Furthermore, there is 
a pop up button for the plot summary.   The question is how did you get D2W to 
do that?   

I am posting a copy of my tutorial at: 
https://venus.cs.ttu.edu/groups/webobjects/wiki/761ea/attachments/56ed6/WOTutorial.pdf
and wiki of it at 
https://venus.cs.ttu.edu/groups/webobjects/wiki/761ea/Direct_To_Web_Tutorial.html.
  e

In this Departments-Employees, it would be nice to show a pop up list for an 
Employee's department.  Similarly, it would be nice to present that little edit 
piece for course just like it is in the WOWODC D2W example for the attributes 
directors and reviews.   

Would there be any assistance or references out there?

Thank you,

Daniel Beatty
Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch Code 4743000 2400 E. Pilot Plant 
Rd. 
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D2W Edit Lists as shown in WOWODC 09 talk

[Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D]

Greetings David and other helpful WO developers,
I am in the process of building a tutorial for myself to ensure that I 
correctly understand D2W, hence the academic adage of if you want to learn 
something prepare a lesson for it.  In the process, I was reviewing (again) the 
D2W talk from WOWODC 2009 (first half and great talk by the way).  

About 50 minutes into the talk, there is something there of both interest 
because it looks cool, simple, and presentable; and enviable since I can not 
seem to see how you did it.  Namely, for the edit movie page that David has, 
there are lists for directors, reviews, and characters.  Furthermore, there is 
a pop up button for the plot summary.   The question is how did you get D2W to 
do that?   

I am posting a copy of my tutorial at: 
https://venus.cs.ttu.edu/groups/webobjects/wiki/761ea/attachments/56ed6/WOTutorial.pdf
and wiki of it at 
https://venus.cs.ttu.edu/groups/webobjects/wiki/761ea/Direct_To_Web_Tutorial.html.
  e

In this Departments-Employees, it would be nice to show a pop up list for an 
Employee's department.  Similarly, it would be nice to present that little edit 
piece for course just like it is in the WOWODC D2W example for the attributes 
directors and reviews.   

Would there be any assistance or references out there?

Thank you,

Daniel Beatty 
Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch 
Code 4743000 
2400 E. Pilot Plant Rd. 
China Lake, CA 93555-6107 
daniel.bea...@navy.mil 
(760) 939-7097 

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