Re: Apple Representation On WebObjects-Dev Mailing List?
Le 2011-07-10 à 22:12, Ken Anderson a écrit : I remember Nibble! Yes, Pascal, you are pretty young for the community at 35! I'm sorry I couldn't make WOWODC this year - lets start planning the next one so I can plan my family vacation around it :) I'm tempted to do it on the same week-end (June 29-30, July 1) next year. On Jul 6, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Ken Anderson wrote: It's honestly pretty simple. Apple never makes statements about future products, or their plan for existing products. If you're holding your breath for that to happen, good luck! The community continues to maintain / upgrade WO in a way that is far better than a corporation holding the reins. Even for a currently sold commercial product, what guarantee is there that it will be updated? Or Open Source projects that have little to no support when the champion has left it? To me, just the fact that WebObjects has been around since 1996 (15 years!) means that it has more legs than any other tool I can think of. YMMV Ken On Jul 6, 2011, at 12:48 PM, Karl wrote: I don’t think that there is an issue about it disappearing. The license allows us to use what we have now indefinitely. The issue is about moving forwards and modernizing... Karl On Jul 6, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Robert B. Hanviriyapunt wrote: How about the continued availability of WO. People can SAY that Apple relies heavily on WO and thus it won't go away, but again it just feels more secure knowing that it is officially true, and that WO will always be kept out there so that I can put away my doubts that it will suddenly disappear. I'd just feel safer while we're all building on this platform that it won't be pulled from under us. On Jul 6, 2011, at 11:34 AM, Jesse Tayler wrote: there has been official word-- you just gotta go back ten years and ask ernie prabhakar or something. seriously, the official word is that WO is and shall remain WO and will never be open sourced or whatever. I opine as well, but that's the way it is and shall be. On Jul 6, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Robert B. Hanviriyapunt wrote: Who, if anyone, represents Apple on this mailing list? When it comes to questions of open-sourcing WO or the availability of WO, the answer should be posted by an Apple official rep. in this mailing list. Anyone can opine, but I think the group benefits greatly when an official word is heard -- second best to that is an insider, even if not officially charged by Apple to represent in the list. Thoughts anyone? ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kgretton%40mac.com This email sent to kgret...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca This email sent to prob...@macti.ca ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Apple Representation On WebObjects-Dev Mailing List?
On Jul 11, 2011, at 3:39 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: Le 2011-07-10 à 22:12, Ken Anderson a écrit : I remember Nibble! Yes, Pascal, you are pretty young for the community at 35! I'm sorry I couldn't make WOWODC this year - lets start planning the next one so I can plan my family vacation around it :) I'm tempted to do it on the same week-end (June 29-30, July 1) next year. That would actually work pretty well I think. July 4th weekend was a tough pull this year. This entire thread has actually ended up being a bit reassuring - it pulled a lot of posters out with names I don't remember seeing before. Tim Worman UCLA GSEIS On Jul 6, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Ken Anderson wrote: It's honestly pretty simple. Apple never makes statements about future products, or their plan for existing products. If you're holding your breath for that to happen, good luck! The community continues to maintain / upgrade WO in a way that is far better than a corporation holding the reins. Even for a currently sold commercial product, what guarantee is there that it will be updated? Or Open Source projects that have little to no support when the champion has left it? To me, just the fact that WebObjects has been around since 1996 (15 years!) means that it has more legs than any other tool I can think of. YMMV Ken On Jul 6, 2011, at 12:48 PM, Karl wrote: I don’t think that there is an issue about it disappearing. The license allows us to use what we have now indefinitely. The issue is about moving forwards and modernizing... Karl On Jul 6, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Robert B. Hanviriyapunt wrote: How about the continued availability of WO. People can SAY that Apple relies heavily on WO and thus it won't go away, but again it just feels more secure knowing that it is officially true, and that WO will always be kept out there so that I can put away my doubts that it will suddenly disappear. I'd just feel safer while we're all building on this platform that it won't be pulled from under us. On Jul 6, 2011, at 11:34 AM, Jesse Tayler wrote: there has been official word-- you just gotta go back ten years and ask ernie prabhakar or something. seriously, the official word is that WO is and shall remain WO and will never be open sourced or whatever. I opine as well, but that's the way it is and shall be. On Jul 6, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Robert B. Hanviriyapunt wrote: Who, if anyone, represents Apple on this mailing list? When it comes to questions of open-sourcing WO or the availability of WO, the answer should be posted by an Apple official rep. in this mailing list. Anyone can opine, but I think the group benefits greatly when an official word is heard -- second best to that is an insider, even if not officially charged by Apple to represent in the list. Thoughts anyone? ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kgretton%40mac.com This email sent to kgret...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca This email sent to prob...@macti.ca ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/lists%40thetimmy.com This email sent to li...@thetimmy.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Apple Representation On WebObjects-Dev Mailing List?
Le 2011-07-11 à 20:44, Tim Worman a écrit : On Jul 11, 2011, at 3:39 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: Le 2011-07-10 à 22:12, Ken Anderson a écrit : I remember Nibble! Yes, Pascal, you are pretty young for the community at 35! I'm sorry I couldn't make WOWODC this year - lets start planning the next one so I can plan my family vacation around it :) I'm tempted to do it on the same week-end (June 29-30, July 1) next year. That would actually work pretty well I think. July 4th weekend was a tough pull this year. Next year, July 4th is on Wednesday, so I guess it's not problematic? We can also do it on July 6-7-8, but the Jazz Fest will be done by then :-) This entire thread has actually ended up being a bit reassuring - it pulled a lot of posters out with names I don't remember seeing before. Tim Worman UCLA GSEIS On Jul 6, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Ken Anderson wrote: It's honestly pretty simple. Apple never makes statements about future products, or their plan for existing products. If you're holding your breath for that to happen, good luck! The community continues to maintain / upgrade WO in a way that is far better than a corporation holding the reins. Even for a currently sold commercial product, what guarantee is there that it will be updated? Or Open Source projects that have little to no support when the champion has left it? To me, just the fact that WebObjects has been around since 1996 (15 years!) means that it has more legs than any other tool I can think of. YMMV Ken On Jul 6, 2011, at 12:48 PM, Karl wrote: I don’t think that there is an issue about it disappearing. The license allows us to use what we have now indefinitely. The issue is about moving forwards and modernizing... Karl On Jul 6, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Robert B. Hanviriyapunt wrote: How about the continued availability of WO. People can SAY that Apple relies heavily on WO and thus it won't go away, but again it just feels more secure knowing that it is officially true, and that WO will always be kept out there so that I can put away my doubts that it will suddenly disappear. I'd just feel safer while we're all building on this platform that it won't be pulled from under us. On Jul 6, 2011, at 11:34 AM, Jesse Tayler wrote: there has been official word-- you just gotta go back ten years and ask ernie prabhakar or something. seriously, the official word is that WO is and shall remain WO and will never be open sourced or whatever. I opine as well, but that's the way it is and shall be. On Jul 6, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Robert B. Hanviriyapunt wrote: Who, if anyone, represents Apple on this mailing list? When it comes to questions of open-sourcing WO or the availability of WO, the answer should be posted by an Apple official rep. in this mailing list. Anyone can opine, but I think the group benefits greatly when an official word is heard -- second best to that is an insider, even if not officially charged by Apple to represent in the list. Thoughts anyone? ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kgretton%40mac.com This email sent to kgret...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca This email sent to prob...@macti.ca ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/lists%40thetimmy.com This email sent to li...@thetimmy.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list
Re: Apple Representation On WebObjects-Dev Mailing List?
my eldest son (6) finds it amazing that people used to have to find and then stand in a phone box to make a call... simon On 7 July 2011 02:30, Joel M. Benisch j...@paperfree.net wrote: OK, so as I watch this conversation go by and smile a lot, I find myself wondering We old folks sure did enjoy the ride during the period of great invention and achievement we and our peers participated in. But I sit here wondering what the youngsters will be reminiscing about forty years from now as mid 21st century arrives Will they remember what it was like when they had to fly to meetings rather than just transport to them? ( Beam me up Scotty ) And will some of the youngest ones among us actually remember, one day, what it was like when they lived back on Earth? Now that would be cool. -- Joel M. Benisch CPCU, President 973-992-6300 x303 PaperFree Corporation 973-992- FAX 909 Regal Boulevard j...@paperfree.net Livingston, NJ 07039-8249 WE CREATE PRODUCTS WE WOULD WANT TO USE! On Jul 6, 2011, at 9:15 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: Le 2011-07-06 à 21:11, Patrick Robinson a écrit : On Jul 6, 2011, at 8:50 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: On 2011-07-06, at 6:10 PM, Patrick Robinson wrote: I remember the first time I saw a DECwriter II, after a couple of years of using a Western Union teletype (with paper tape punch!) that used a 110 baud modem with acoustic coupler for the telephone handset to connect to the mainframe. A VT52 would have seemed like magic indeed! :-) Wow. I'd forgotten the name of it but I am pretty sure that VT52 is correct! See, _I'm_ so old that I *remember* the name of the VT52. Chuck, however, is so old that he's *forgotten* it! (My wife asks, Which is older? That's difficult to say...) :-) The coolest thing about the WO Community is that even if I'm 35, I'm still younger than most of the community :-) But I did have to use COBOL on a VAX 750 at college... And our lab with the first DEC Alpha stations (no need to activate the heat system in winter with those machines!). ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jmb%40paperfree.net This email sent to j...@paperfree.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/simon%40potwells.co.uk This email sent to si...@potwells.co.uk ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Apple Representation On WebObjects-Dev Mailing List?
On Jul 6, 2011, at 9:30 PM, Joel M. Benisch wrote: OK, so as I watch this conversation go by and smile a lot, I find myself wondering We old folks sure did enjoy the ride during the period of great invention and achievement we and our peers participated in. But I sit here wondering what the youngsters will be reminiscing about forty years from now as mid 21st century arrives Will they remember what it was like when they had to fly to meetings rather than just transport to them? ( Beam me up Scotty ) And will some of the youngest ones among us actually remember, one day, what it was like when they lived back on Earth? I am sure humans will will still be living on earth . don't you know that the Space Shuttle Program is being canned and the last mission launches tomorrow at 11:26am? ;-) Now that would be cool. -- Joel M. Benisch CPCU, President 973-992-6300 x303 PaperFree Corporation 973-992- FAX 909 Regal Boulevard j...@paperfree.net Livingston, NJ 07039-8249 WE CREATE PRODUCTS WE WOULD WANT TO USE! ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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And engage an actual human operator to help you get it connected as well? Joel -- Joel M. Benisch CPCU, President 973-992-6300 x303 PaperFree Corporation 973-992- FAX 909 Regal Boulevard j...@paperfree.net Livingston, NJ 07039-8249 WE CREATE PRODUCTS WE WOULD WANT TO USE! On Jul 7, 2011, at 3:25 AM, Simon wrote: my eldest son (6) finds it amazing that people used to have to find and then stand in a phone box to make a call... simon On 7 July 2011 02:30, Joel M. Benisch j...@paperfree.net wrote: OK, so as I watch this conversation go by and smile a lot, I find myself wondering We old folks sure did enjoy the ride during the period of great invention and achievement we and our peers participated in. But I sit here wondering what the youngsters will be reminiscing about forty years from now as mid 21st century arrives Will they remember what it was like when they had to fly to meetings rather than just transport to them? ( Beam me up Scotty ) And will some of the youngest ones among us actually remember, one day, what it was like when they lived back on Earth? Now that would be cool. -- Joel M. Benisch CPCU, President 973-992-6300 x303 PaperFree Corporation 973-992- FAX 909 Regal Boulevard j...@paperfree.net Livingston, NJ 07039-8249 WE CREATE PRODUCTS WE WOULD WANT TO USE! On Jul 6, 2011, at 9:15 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: Le 2011-07-06 à 21:11, Patrick Robinson a écrit : On Jul 6, 2011, at 8:50 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: On 2011-07-06, at 6:10 PM, Patrick Robinson wrote: I remember the first time I saw a DECwriter II, after a couple of years of using a Western Union teletype (with paper tape punch!) that used a 110 baud modem with acoustic coupler for the telephone handset to connect to the mainframe. A VT52 would have seemed like magic indeed! :-) Wow. I'd forgotten the name of it but I am pretty sure that VT52 is correct! See, _I'm_ so old that I *remember* the name of the VT52. Chuck, however, is so old that he's *forgotten* it! (My wife asks, Which is older? That's difficult to say...) :-) The coolest thing about the WO Community is that even if I'm 35, I'm still younger than most of the community :-) But I did have to use COBOL on a VAX 750 at college... And our lab with the first DEC Alpha stations (no need to activate the heat system in winter with those machines!). ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jmb%40paperfree.net This email sent to j...@paperfree.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/simon%40potwells.co.uk This email sent to si...@potwells.co.uk ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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And also this thread has gone offtopic :-) On 07/lug/2011, at 14.20, Joel M. Benisch wrote: And engage an actual human operator to help you get it connected as well? Joel -- Joel M. Benisch CPCU, President 973-992-6300 x303 PaperFree Corporation 973-992- FAX 909 Regal Boulevard j...@paperfree.net Livingston, NJ 07039-8249 WE CREATE PRODUCTS WE WOULD WANT TO USE! On Jul 7, 2011, at 3:25 AM, Simon wrote: my eldest son (6) finds it amazing that people used to have to find and then stand in a phone box to make a call... simon On 7 July 2011 02:30, Joel M. Benisch j...@paperfree.net wrote: OK, so as I watch this conversation go by and smile a lot, I find myself wondering We old folks sure did enjoy the ride during the period of great invention and achievement we and our peers participated in. But I sit here wondering what the youngsters will be reminiscing about forty years from now as mid 21st century arrives Will they remember what it was like when they had to fly to meetings rather than just transport to them? ( Beam me up Scotty ) And will some of the youngest ones among us actually remember, one day, what it was like when they lived back on Earth? Now that would be cool. -- Joel M. Benisch CPCU, President 973-992-6300 x303 PaperFree Corporation 973-992- FAX 909 Regal Boulevard j...@paperfree.net Livingston, NJ 07039-8249 WE CREATE PRODUCTS WE WOULD WANT TO USE! On Jul 6, 2011, at 9:15 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: Le 2011-07-06 à 21:11, Patrick Robinson a écrit : On Jul 6, 2011, at 8:50 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: On 2011-07-06, at 6:10 PM, Patrick Robinson wrote: I remember the first time I saw a DECwriter II, after a couple of years of using a Western Union teletype (with paper tape punch!) that used a 110 baud modem with acoustic coupler for the telephone handset to connect to the mainframe. A VT52 would have seemed like magic indeed! :-) Wow. I'd forgotten the name of it but I am pretty sure that VT52 is correct! See, _I'm_ so old that I *remember* the name of the VT52. Chuck, however, is so old that he's *forgotten* it! (My wife asks, Which is older? That's difficult to say...) :-) The coolest thing about the WO Community is that even if I'm 35, I'm still younger than most of the community :-) But I did have to use COBOL on a VAX 750 at college... And our lab with the first DEC Alpha stations (no need to activate the heat system in winter with those machines!). ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jmb%40paperfree.net This email sent to j...@paperfree.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/simon%40potwells.co.uk This email sent to si...@potwells.co.uk ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/amedeomailing%40insigno.it This email sent to amedeomail...@insigno.it - Amedeo Mantica WOWODC 2011 : July 1-2-3, Montreal. wowodc.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I thought that we called those ‘tardii’ now. Karl On Jul 7, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Simon wrote: my eldest son (6) finds it amazing that people used to have to find and then stand in a phone box to make a call... simon On 7 July 2011 02:30, Joel M. Benisch j...@paperfree.net wrote: OK, so as I watch this conversation go by and smile a lot, I find myself wondering We old folks sure did enjoy the ride during the period of great invention and achievement we and our peers participated in. But I sit here wondering what the youngsters will be reminiscing about forty years from now as mid 21st century arrives Will they remember what it was like when they had to fly to meetings rather than just transport to them? ( Beam me up Scotty ) And will some of the youngest ones among us actually remember, one day, what it was like when they lived back on Earth? Now that would be cool. -- Joel M. Benisch CPCU, President 973-992-6300 x303 PaperFree Corporation 973-992- FAX 909 Regal Boulevard j...@paperfree.net Livingston, NJ 07039-8249 WE CREATE PRODUCTS WE WOULD WANT TO USE! On Jul 6, 2011, at 9:15 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: Le 2011-07-06 à 21:11, Patrick Robinson a écrit : On Jul 6, 2011, at 8:50 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: On 2011-07-06, at 6:10 PM, Patrick Robinson wrote: I remember the first time I saw a DECwriter II, after a couple of years of using a Western Union teletype (with paper tape punch!) that used a 110 baud modem with acoustic coupler for the telephone handset to connect to the mainframe. A VT52 would have seemed like magic indeed! :-) Wow. I'd forgotten the name of it but I am pretty sure that VT52 is correct! See, _I'm_ so old that I *remember* the name of the VT52. Chuck, however, is so old that he's *forgotten* it! (My wife asks, Which is older? That's difficult to say...) :-) The coolest thing about the WO Community is that even if I'm 35, I'm still younger than most of the community :-) But I did have to use COBOL on a VAX 750 at college... And our lab with the first DEC Alpha stations (no need to activate the heat system in winter with those machines!). ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jmb%40paperfree.net This email sent to j...@paperfree.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/simon%40potwells.co.uk This email sent to si...@potwells.co.uk ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kgretton%40mac.com This email sent to kgret...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On Jul 7, 2011, at 6:08 PM, Amedeo Mantica wrote: And also this thread has gone offtopic :-) That never happened before :-) When I see long threads I always hope they have gone off-topic, they become much more entertaining ;-) Henrique (That used 300bps modems to access the university VAXen) ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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When I was in High School, my computer friends use to program on a TickerTape terminal. When I was at University, I programmed on a PDP11, my friends were still using punch cards. Alas, I never had that pleasure. My earliest Apple exposure was a Apple II 6502 assembler class. Paul On Jul 7, 2011, at 4:52 PM, Henrique Gomes wrote: On Jul 7, 2011, at 6:08 PM, Amedeo Mantica wrote: And also this thread has gone offtopic :-) That never happened before :-) When I see long threads I always hope they have gone off-topic, they become much more entertaining ;-) Henrique (That used 300bps modems to access the university VAXen) ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/pyu%40mac.com This email sent to p...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Punch cards, I remember those well. Nothing like dropping a deck down the stairs for an impromptu puzzle. Did you ever read Nibble Magazine? That is where I got my start writing. :-) On 2011-07-07, at 4:08 PM, Paul D Yu wrote: When I was in High School, my computer friends use to program on a TickerTape terminal. When I was at University, I programmed on a PDP11, my friends were still using punch cards. Alas, I never had that pleasure. My earliest Apple exposure was a Apple II 6502 assembler class. Paul On Jul 7, 2011, at 4:52 PM, Henrique Gomes wrote: On Jul 7, 2011, at 6:08 PM, Amedeo Mantica wrote: And also this thread has gone offtopic :-) That never happened before :-) When I see long threads I always hope they have gone off-topic, they become much more entertaining ;-) Henrique (That used 300bps modems to access the university VAXen) ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/pyu%40mac.com This email sent to p...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Who, if anyone, represents Apple on this mailing list? When it comes to questions of open-sourcing WO or the availability of WO, the answer should be posted by an Apple official rep. in this mailing list. Anyone can opine, but I think the group benefits greatly when an official word is heard -- second best to that is an insider, even if not officially charged by Apple to represent in the list. Thoughts anyone? ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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There is no such thing in the Apple world. It either comes from the ‘mothership’ or there is silence. Karl On Jul 6, 2011, at 7:27 PM, Robert B. Hanviriyapunt wrote: Who, if anyone, represents Apple on this mailing list? When it comes to questions of open-sourcing WO or the availability of WO, the answer should be posted by an Apple official rep. in this mailing list. Anyone can opine, but I think the group benefits greatly when an official word is heard -- second best to that is an insider, even if not officially charged by Apple to represent in the list. Thoughts anyone? ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kgretton%40mac.com This email sent to kgret...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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There are plenty of insiders on the list but I doubt any of them will give you an official position. Alan On Jul 6, 2011, at 10:27 AM, Robert B. Hanviriyapunt wrote: Who, if anyone, represents Apple on this mailing list? When it comes to questions of open-sourcing WO or the availability of WO, the answer should be posted by an Apple official rep. in this mailing list. Anyone can opine, but I think the group benefits greatly when an official word is heard -- second best to that is an insider, even if not officially charged by Apple to represent in the list. Thoughts anyone? ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/award%40apple.com This email sent to aw...@apple.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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How about the continued availability of WO. People can SAY that Apple relies heavily on WO and thus it won't go away, but again it just feels more secure knowing that it is officially true, and that WO will always be kept out there so that I can put away my doubts that it will suddenly disappear. I'd just feel safer while we're all building on this platform that it won't be pulled from under us. On Jul 6, 2011, at 11:34 AM, Jesse Tayler wrote: there has been official word-- you just gotta go back ten years and ask ernie prabhakar or something. seriously, the official word is that WO is and shall remain WO and will never be open sourced or whatever. I opine as well, but that's the way it is and shall be. On Jul 6, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Robert B. Hanviriyapunt wrote: Who, if anyone, represents Apple on this mailing list? When it comes to questions of open-sourcing WO or the availability of WO, the answer should be posted by an Apple official rep. in this mailing list. Anyone can opine, but I think the group benefits greatly when an official word is heard -- second best to that is an insider, even if not officially charged by Apple to represent in the list. Thoughts anyone? ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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it's time to accept that it has been... so, now what? is the question we need to focus on Sent from my iPhone On Jul 6, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Robert B. Hanviriyapunt roberth...@mac.com wrote: How about the continued availability of WO. People can SAY that Apple relies heavily on WO and thus it won't go away, but again it just feels more secure knowing that it is officially true, and that WO will always be kept out there so that I can put away my doubts that it will suddenly disappear. I'd just feel safer while we're all building on this platform that it won't be pulled from under us. On Jul 6, 2011, at 11:34 AM, Jesse Tayler wrote: there has been official word-- you just gotta go back ten years and ask ernie prabhakar or something. seriously, the official word is that WO is and shall remain WO and will never be open sourced or whatever. I opine as well, but that's the way it is and shall be. On Jul 6, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Robert B. Hanviriyapunt wrote: Who, if anyone, represents Apple on this mailing list? When it comes to questions of open-sourcing WO or the availability of WO, the answer should be posted by an Apple official rep. in this mailing list. Anyone can opine, but I think the group benefits greatly when an official word is heard -- second best to that is an insider, even if not officially charged by Apple to represent in the list. Thoughts anyone? ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/mgargano%40me.com This email sent to mgarg...@me.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I don’t think that there is an issue about it disappearing. The license allows us to use what we have now indefinitely. The issue is about moving forwards and modernizing... Karl On Jul 6, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Robert B. Hanviriyapunt wrote: How about the continued availability of WO. People can SAY that Apple relies heavily on WO and thus it won't go away, but again it just feels more secure knowing that it is officially true, and that WO will always be kept out there so that I can put away my doubts that it will suddenly disappear. I'd just feel safer while we're all building on this platform that it won't be pulled from under us. On Jul 6, 2011, at 11:34 AM, Jesse Tayler wrote: there has been official word-- you just gotta go back ten years and ask ernie prabhakar or something. seriously, the official word is that WO is and shall remain WO and will never be open sourced or whatever. I opine as well, but that's the way it is and shall be. On Jul 6, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Robert B. Hanviriyapunt wrote: Who, if anyone, represents Apple on this mailing list? When it comes to questions of open-sourcing WO or the availability of WO, the answer should be posted by an Apple official rep. in this mailing list. Anyone can opine, but I think the group benefits greatly when an official word is heard -- second best to that is an insider, even if not officially charged by Apple to represent in the list. Thoughts anyone? ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kgretton%40mac.com This email sent to kgret...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On Jul 6, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Ken Anderson wrote: To me, just the fact that WebObjects has been around since 1996 (15 years!) means that it has more legs than any other tool I can think of. Rumor has it that COBOL is still going strong in some less travelled corner of Elbonia :)) ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I see it every day at the airport. Was that a CICS exception or VSAM issue? Oh...wow...no it was a ‘RTSO’ exception. (Real time sharing option for you youngsters...now I am really ageing myself). Can you believe that they charged $2-3k per year for your terminal to respond in some semblance of real time? Karl On Jul 6, 2011, at 8:51 PM, Petite Abeille wrote: On Jul 6, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Ken Anderson wrote: To me, just the fact that WebObjects has been around since 1996 (15 years!) means that it has more legs than any other tool I can think of. Rumor has it that COBOL is still going strong in some less travelled corner of Elbonia :)) ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kgretton%40mac.com This email sent to kgret...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Alan, be advised that I've dispatched security to your office for breaking radio silence. ms On Jul 6, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Alan Ward wrote: There are plenty of insiders on the list but I doubt any of them will give you an official position. Alan On Jul 6, 2011, at 10:27 AM, Robert B. Hanviriyapunt wrote: Who, if anyone, represents Apple on this mailing list? When it comes to questions of open-sourcing WO or the availability of WO, the answer should be posted by an Apple official rep. in this mailing list. Anyone can opine, but I think the group benefits greatly when an official word is heard -- second best to that is an insider, even if not officially charged by Apple to represent in the list. Thoughts anyone? ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/award%40apple.com This email sent to aw...@apple.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/mschrag%40pobox.com This email sent to msch...@pobox.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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So Apple re-defined the ‘radio’ as an asynchronous communication method. Is there an App for that? Karl On Jul 6, 2011, at 9:00 PM, Mike Schrag wrote: Alan, be advised that I've dispatched security to your office for breaking radio silence. ms On Jul 6, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Alan Ward wrote: There are plenty of insiders on the list but I doubt any of them will give you an official position. Alan On Jul 6, 2011, at 10:27 AM, Robert B. Hanviriyapunt wrote: Who, if anyone, represents Apple on this mailing list? When it comes to questions of open-sourcing WO or the availability of WO, the answer should be posted by an Apple official rep. in this mailing list. Anyone can opine, but I think the group benefits greatly when an official word is heard -- second best to that is an insider, even if not officially charged by Apple to represent in the list. Thoughts anyone? ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/award%40apple.com This email sent to aw...@apple.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/mschrag%40pobox.com This email sent to msch...@pobox.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kgretton%40mac.com This email sent to kgret...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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It's going to take 'em a while to get here if they're in the standard issue Jeep ;-) Alan On Jul 6, 2011, at 12:00 PM, Mike Schrag wrote: Alan, be advised that I've dispatched security to your office for breaking radio silence. ms On Jul 6, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Alan Ward wrote: There are plenty of insiders on the list but I doubt any of them will give you an official position. Alan On Jul 6, 2011, at 10:27 AM, Robert B. Hanviriyapunt wrote: Who, if anyone, represents Apple on this mailing list? When it comes to questions of open-sourcing WO or the availability of WO, the answer should be posted by an Apple official rep. in this mailing list. Anyone can opine, but I think the group benefits greatly when an official word is heard -- second best to that is an insider, even if not officially charged by Apple to represent in the list. Thoughts anyone? ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/award%40apple.com This email sent to aw...@apple.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/mschrag%40pobox.com This email sent to msch...@pobox.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On Jul 6, 2011, at 7:41 PM, Karl wrote: Hmm...well I first came across WO in about 89I think that EOF was called DBkit back then... DBKit?!? Oh, my... lets forget about that one... Circa 1992 no?... blast from the past... http://www.kevra.org/TheBestOfNext/page570/page571/page619/files/page619_1.pdf ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Ingres? Shouldn’t all of these technologies be owned by Computer Associates or Compuware? The places where technology goes to die? Karl On Jul 6, 2011, at 9:02 PM, Petite Abeille wrote: On Jul 6, 2011, at 7:41 PM, Karl wrote: Hmm...well I first came across WO in about 89I think that EOF was called DBkit back then... DBKit?!? Oh, my... lets forget about that one... Circa 1992 no?... blast from the past... http://www.kevra.org/TheBestOfNext/page570/page571/page619/files/page619_1.pdf ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kgretton%40mac.com This email sent to kgret...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Oh this is just too tempting. Radio is the code name for the next release of WO which has been rewritten in Scala and can handle 1M pages/sec in a single core, works in both Google App Engine and Elastic Beanstalk and ships this fall. Oh and the new version of iWeb supports WYSIWYG editing of Radio templates. Oh and you can create mobile web apps for iPhone with it that have the same power as native. Steve Jobs is an iWitch. On Jul 6, 2011, at 11:02 AM, Karl kgret...@mac.com wrote: So Apple re-defined the ‘radio’ as an asynchronous communication method. Is there an App for that? Karl On Jul 6, 2011, at 9:00 PM, Mike Schrag wrote: Alan, be advised that I've dispatched security to your office for breaking radio silence. ms On Jul 6, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Alan Ward wrote: There are plenty of insiders on the list but I doubt any of them will give you an official position. Alan On Jul 6, 2011, at 10:27 AM, Robert B. Hanviriyapunt wrote: Who, if anyone, represents Apple on this mailing list? When it comes to questions of open-sourcing WO or the availability of WO, the answer should be posted by an Apple official rep. in this mailing list. Anyone can opine, but I think the group benefits greatly when an official word is heard -- second best to that is an insider, even if not officially charged by Apple to represent in the list. Thoughts anyone? ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/award%40apple.com This email sent to aw...@apple.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/mschrag%40pobox.com This email sent to msch...@pobox.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kgretton%40mac.com This email sent to kgret...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/pierce%40twinforces.com This email sent to pie...@twinforces.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 2011-07-06, at 1:57 PM, Karl wrote: I see it every day at the airport. Was that a CICS exception or VSAM issue? Oh...wow...no it was a ‘RTSO’ exception. (Real time sharing option for you youngsters...now I am really ageing myself). And bringing back long suppressed memories for some of us. Can you believe that they charged $2-3k per year for your terminal to respond in some semblance of real time? Karl On Jul 6, 2011, at 8:51 PM, Petite Abeille wrote: On Jul 6, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Ken Anderson wrote: To me, just the fact that WebObjects has been around since 1996 (15 years!) means that it has more legs than any other tool I can think of. Rumor has it that COBOL is still going strong in some less travelled corner of Elbonia :)) ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kgretton%40mac.com This email sent to kgret...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Oh how I miss the well defined structure of the RPG II processing cycle. Was so simple and elegant.. And easy to learn!! :-) And being able to pick up a card and read it by interpreting the hole punches in your head was the geek's equivalent of winning the Super Bowl Those were the days -- Joel M. Benisch CPCU, President 973-992-6300 x303 PaperFree Corporation 973-992- FAX 909 Regal Boulevard j...@paperfree.net Livingston, NJ 07039-8249 WE CREATE PRODUCTS WE WOULD WANT TO USE! On Jul 6, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: On 2011-07-06, at 1:57 PM, Karl wrote: I see it every day at the airport. Was that a CICS exception or VSAM issue? Oh...wow...no it was a ‘RTSO’ exception. (Real time sharing option for you youngsters...now I am really ageing myself). And bringing back long suppressed memories for some of us. Can you believe that they charged $2-3k per year for your terminal to respond in some semblance of real time? Karl On Jul 6, 2011, at 8:51 PM, Petite Abeille wrote: On Jul 6, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Ken Anderson wrote: To me, just the fact that WebObjects has been around since 1996 (15 years!) means that it has more legs than any other tool I can think of. Rumor has it that COBOL is still going strong in some less travelled corner of Elbonia :)) ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kgretton%40mac.com This email sent to kgret...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jmb%40paperfree.net This email sent to j...@paperfree.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On Jul 6, 2011, at 2:38 PM, Joel M. Benisch wrote: Oh how I miss the well defined structure of the RPG II processing cycle. Was so simple and elegant.. And easy to learn!! :-) And being able to pick up a card and read it by interpreting the hole punches in your head was the geek's equivalent of winning the Super Bowl Either that or being able to toggle in the boot sequence on a PDP11 without referring to any manuals. Ah, the good ol' days. Alan Those were the days -- Joel M. Benisch CPCU, President 973-992-6300 x303 PaperFree Corporation 973-992- FAX 909 Regal Boulevard j...@paperfree.net Livingston, NJ 07039-8249 WE CREATE PRODUCTS WE WOULD WANT TO USE! On Jul 6, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: On 2011-07-06, at 1:57 PM, Karl wrote: I see it every day at the airport. Was that a CICS exception or VSAM issue? Oh...wow...no it was a ‘RTSO’ exception. (Real time sharing option for you youngsters...now I am really ageing myself). And bringing back long suppressed memories for some of us. Can you believe that they charged $2-3k per year for your terminal to respond in some semblance of real time? Karl On Jul 6, 2011, at 8:51 PM, Petite Abeille wrote: On Jul 6, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Ken Anderson wrote: To me, just the fact that WebObjects has been around since 1996 (15 years!) means that it has more legs than any other tool I can think of. Rumor has it that COBOL is still going strong in some less travelled corner of Elbonia :)) ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kgretton%40mac.com This email sent to kgret...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jmb%40paperfree.net This email sent to j...@paperfree.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/award%40apple.com This email sent to aw...@apple.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Greetings Chuck, It may be nostalgia, but time is money. Achieving an infinitesimal amount time has a reciprocal relation to money. Later, Daniel D. Beatty, Ph.D. Candidate Computer Scientist, 474300D Detonation Sciences Branch At Pearson: (760)939-7097 iPhone: (806)438-6620 -Original Message- From: webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com [mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hill Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 13:25 To: Karl Cc: WebObjects-Dev Mailing List List Subject: Re: Apple Representation On WebObjects-Dev Mailing List? On 2011-07-06, at 1:57 PM, Karl wrote: I see it every day at the airport. Was that a CICS exception or VSAM issue? Oh...wow...no it was a 'RTSO' exception. (Real time sharing option for you youngsters...now I am really ageing myself). And bringing back long suppressed memories for some of us. Can you believe that they charged $2-3k per year for your terminal to respond in some semblance of real time? Karl On Jul 6, 2011, at 8:51 PM, Petite Abeille wrote: On Jul 6, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Ken Anderson wrote: To me, just the fact that WebObjects has been around since 1996 (15 years!) means that it has more legs than any other tool I can think of. Rumor has it that COBOL is still going strong in some less travelled corner of Elbonia :)) ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kgretton%40mac.com This email sent to kgret...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/daniel.beatty%40navy.mil This email sent to daniel.bea...@navy.mil smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On Jul 6, 2011, at 10:52 PM, Alan Ward wrote: And being able to pick up a card and read it by interpreting the hole punches in your head was the geek's equivalent of winning the Super Bowl Either that or being able to toggle in the boot sequence on a PDP11 without referring to any manuals. Ah, the good ol' days. Borderline necrophilic. Might explains why some stick with fossilized toolkits. Ah, the good ol' days :)) ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On Jul 6, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Petite Abeille wrote: On Jul 6, 2011, at 10:52 PM, Alan Ward wrote: And being able to pick up a card and read it by interpreting the hole punches in your head was the geek's equivalent of winning the Super Bowl Either that or being able to toggle in the boot sequence on a PDP11 without referring to any manuals. Ah, the good ol' days. Borderline necrophilic. Might explains why some stick with fossilized toolkits. Ah, the good ol' days :)) I didn't say I could do that (but I did know people who could) ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/award%40apple.com This email sent to aw...@apple.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I remember the first time I saw a CRT terminal that used a 110 baud modem to connect to the mainframe. All, the unrivalled potential that platform promised! An iPad would have seemed like magic indeed! On 2011-07-06, at 3:52 PM, Alan Ward wrote: On Jul 6, 2011, at 2:38 PM, Joel M. Benisch wrote: Oh how I miss the well defined structure of the RPG II processing cycle. Was so simple and elegant.. And easy to learn!! :-) And being able to pick up a card and read it by interpreting the hole punches in your head was the geek's equivalent of winning the Super Bowl Either that or being able to toggle in the boot sequence on a PDP11 without referring to any manuals. Ah, the good ol' days. Alan Those were the days -- Joel M. Benisch CPCU, President 973-992-6300 x303 PaperFree Corporation 973-992- FAX 909 Regal Boulevard j...@paperfree.net Livingston, NJ 07039-8249 WE CREATE PRODUCTS WE WOULD WANT TO USE! On Jul 6, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: On 2011-07-06, at 1:57 PM, Karl wrote: I see it every day at the airport. Was that a CICS exception or VSAM issue? Oh...wow...no it was a ‘RTSO’ exception. (Real time sharing option for you youngsters...now I am really ageing myself). And bringing back long suppressed memories for some of us. Can you believe that they charged $2-3k per year for your terminal to respond in some semblance of real time? Karl On Jul 6, 2011, at 8:51 PM, Petite Abeille wrote: On Jul 6, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Ken Anderson wrote: To me, just the fact that WebObjects has been around since 1996 (15 years!) means that it has more legs than any other tool I can think of. Rumor has it that COBOL is still going strong in some less travelled corner of Elbonia :)) ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kgretton%40mac.com This email sent to kgret...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jmb%40paperfree.net This email sent to j...@paperfree.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/award%40apple.com This email sent to aw...@apple.com -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I remember the first time I saw a DECwriter II, after a couple of years of using a Western Union teletype (with paper tape punch!) that used a 110 baud modem with acoustic coupler for the telephone handset to connect to the mainframe. A VT52 would have seemed like magic indeed! :-) - Patrick On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: I remember the first time I saw a CRT terminal that used a 110 baud modem to connect to the mainframe. All, the unrivalled potential that platform promised! An iPad would have seemed like magic indeed! On 2011-07-06, at 3:52 PM, Alan Ward wrote: On Jul 6, 2011, at 2:38 PM, Joel M. Benisch wrote: Oh how I miss the well defined structure of the RPG II processing cycle. Was so simple and elegant.. And easy to learn!! :-) And being able to pick up a card and read it by interpreting the hole punches in your head was the geek's equivalent of winning the Super Bowl Either that or being able to toggle in the boot sequence on a PDP11 without referring to any manuals. Ah, the good ol' days. Alan Those were the days -- Joel M. Benisch CPCU, President 973-992-6300 x303 PaperFree Corporation 973-992- FAX 909 Regal Boulevard j...@paperfree.net Livingston, NJ 07039-8249 WE CREATE PRODUCTS WE WOULD WANT TO USE! On Jul 6, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: On 2011-07-06, at 1:57 PM, Karl wrote: I see it every day at the airport. Was that a CICS exception or VSAM issue? Oh...wow...no it was a ‘RTSO’ exception. (Real time sharing option for you youngsters...now I am really ageing myself). And bringing back long suppressed memories for some of us. Can you believe that they charged $2-3k per year for your terminal to respond in some semblance of real time? Karl On Jul 6, 2011, at 8:51 PM, Petite Abeille wrote: On Jul 6, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Ken Anderson wrote: To me, just the fact that WebObjects has been around since 1996 (15 years!) means that it has more legs than any other tool I can think of. Rumor has it that COBOL is still going strong in some less travelled corner of Elbonia :)) ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kgretton%40mac.com This email sent to kgret...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jmb%40paperfree.net This email sent to j...@paperfree.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/award%40apple.com This email sent to aw...@apple.com -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/pgr%40vt.edu This email sent to p...@vt.edu ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email
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How old are you? On Jul 7, 2011, at 2:10 AM, Patrick Robinson wrote: I remember the first time I saw a DECwriter II, after a couple of years of using a Western Union teletype (with paper tape punch!) that used a 110 baud modem with acoustic coupler for the telephone handset to connect to the mainframe. A VT52 would have seemed like magic indeed! :-) - Patrick On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: I remember the first time I saw a CRT terminal that used a 110 baud modem to connect to the mainframe. All, the unrivalled potential that platform promised! An iPad would have seemed like magic indeed! On 2011-07-06, at 3:52 PM, Alan Ward wrote: On Jul 6, 2011, at 2:38 PM, Joel M. Benisch wrote: Oh how I miss the well defined structure of the RPG II processing cycle. Was so simple and elegant.. And easy to learn!! :-) And being able to pick up a card and read it by interpreting the hole punches in your head was the geek's equivalent of winning the Super Bowl Either that or being able to toggle in the boot sequence on a PDP11 without referring to any manuals. Ah, the good ol' days. Alan Those were the days -- Joel M. Benisch CPCU, President 973-992-6300 x303 PaperFree Corporation 973-992- FAX 909 Regal Boulevard j...@paperfree.net Livingston, NJ 07039-8249 WE CREATE PRODUCTS WE WOULD WANT TO USE! On Jul 6, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: On 2011-07-06, at 1:57 PM, Karl wrote: I see it every day at the airport. Was that a CICS exception or VSAM issue? Oh...wow...no it was a ‘RTSO’ exception. (Real time sharing option for you youngsters...now I am really ageing myself). And bringing back long suppressed memories for some of us. Can you believe that they charged $2-3k per year for your terminal to respond in some semblance of real time? Karl On Jul 6, 2011, at 8:51 PM, Petite Abeille wrote: On Jul 6, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Ken Anderson wrote: To me, just the fact that WebObjects has been around since 1996 (15 years!) means that it has more legs than any other tool I can think of. Rumor has it that COBOL is still going strong in some less travelled corner of Elbonia :)) ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kgretton%40mac.com This email sent to kgret...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jmb%40paperfree.net This email sent to j...@paperfree.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/award%40apple.com This email sent to aw...@apple.com -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/pgr%40vt.edu This email sent to p...@vt.edu ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription:
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Hi, My first computer game (on my first computer): http://www.gameclassification.com/files/games/Chuckie-Egg-2.png I'm too young for this! Regards, Miguel Arroz On 2011/07/06, at 16:10, Patrick Robinson wrote: I remember the first time I saw a DECwriter II, after a couple of years of using a Western Union teletype (with paper tape punch!) that used a 110 baud modem with acoustic coupler for the telephone handset to connect to the mainframe. A VT52 would have seemed like magic indeed! :-) - Patrick On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: I remember the first time I saw a CRT terminal that used a 110 baud modem to connect to the mainframe. All, the unrivalled potential that platform promised! An iPad would have seemed like magic indeed! On 2011-07-06, at 3:52 PM, Alan Ward wrote: On Jul 6, 2011, at 2:38 PM, Joel M. Benisch wrote: Oh how I miss the well defined structure of the RPG II processing cycle. Was so simple and elegant.. And easy to learn!! :-) And being able to pick up a card and read it by interpreting the hole punches in your head was the geek's equivalent of winning the Super Bowl Either that or being able to toggle in the boot sequence on a PDP11 without referring to any manuals. Ah, the good ol' days. Alan Those were the days -- Joel M. Benisch CPCU, President 973-992-6300 x303 PaperFree Corporation 973-992- FAX 909 Regal Boulevard j...@paperfree.net Livingston, NJ 07039-8249 WE CREATE PRODUCTS WE WOULD WANT TO USE! On Jul 6, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: On 2011-07-06, at 1:57 PM, Karl wrote: I see it every day at the airport. Was that a CICS exception or VSAM issue? Oh...wow...no it was a ‘RTSO’ exception. (Real time sharing option for you youngsters...now I am really ageing myself). And bringing back long suppressed memories for some of us. Can you believe that they charged $2-3k per year for your terminal to respond in some semblance of real time? Karl On Jul 6, 2011, at 8:51 PM, Petite Abeille wrote: On Jul 6, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Ken Anderson wrote: To me, just the fact that WebObjects has been around since 1996 (15 years!) means that it has more legs than any other tool I can think of. Rumor has it that COBOL is still going strong in some less travelled corner of Elbonia :)) ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kgretton%40mac.com This email sent to kgret...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jmb%40paperfree.net This email sent to j...@paperfree.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/award%40apple.com This email sent to aw...@apple.com -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/pgr%40vt.edu This email sent to p...@vt.edu ___ Do not post admin
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On Jul 7, 2011, at 1:12 AM, Karl wrote: How old are you? Perhaps age doesn't quite convey the depth of the question... geologic time scale might be more appropriate... Cretaceous period? :P ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Note to self, don't make any jokes about the Geico cave man on this e-mail list.My first computer the Data General One:The coolest thing about it was my Dad designed it ;) Johnny Millerjlmil...@kahalawai.comwww.kahalawai.com On Jul 6, 2011, at 1:21 PM, Petite Abeille wrote:On Jul 7, 2011, at 1:12 AM, Karl wrote:How old are you?Perhaps "age" doesn't quite convey the depth of the question... geologic time scale might be more appropriate... Cretaceous period? :P ___Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com)Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription:http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jlmiller%40kahalawai.comThis email sent to jlmil...@kahalawai.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 2011-07-06, at 6:31 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: Note to self, don't make any jokes about the Geico cave man on this e-mail list. My first computer the Data General One: imgres.jpeg The coolest thing about it was my Dad designed it ;) Now that IS cool! :-) Johnny Miller jlmil...@kahalawai.com www.kahalawai.com On Jul 6, 2011, at 1:21 PM, Petite Abeille wrote: On Jul 7, 2011, at 1:12 AM, Karl wrote: How old are you? Perhaps age doesn't quite convey the depth of the question... geologic time scale might be more appropriate... Cretaceous period? :P ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jlmiller%40kahalawai.com This email sent to jlmil...@kahalawai.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 2011-07-06, at 6:10 PM, Patrick Robinson wrote: I remember the first time I saw a DECwriter II, after a couple of years of using a Western Union teletype (with paper tape punch!) that used a 110 baud modem with acoustic coupler for the telephone handset to connect to the mainframe. A VT52 would have seemed like magic indeed! :-) Wow. I'd forgotten the name of it but I am pretty sure that VT52 is correct! Chuck - Patrick On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: I remember the first time I saw a CRT terminal that used a 110 baud modem to connect to the mainframe. All, the unrivalled potential that platform promised! An iPad would have seemed like magic indeed! On 2011-07-06, at 3:52 PM, Alan Ward wrote: On Jul 6, 2011, at 2:38 PM, Joel M. Benisch wrote: Oh how I miss the well defined structure of the RPG II processing cycle. Was so simple and elegant.. And easy to learn!! :-) And being able to pick up a card and read it by interpreting the hole punches in your head was the geek's equivalent of winning the Super Bowl Either that or being able to toggle in the boot sequence on a PDP11 without referring to any manuals. Ah, the good ol' days. Alan Those were the days -- Joel M. Benisch CPCU, President 973-992-6300 x303 PaperFree Corporation 973-992- FAX 909 Regal Boulevard j...@paperfree.net Livingston, NJ 07039-8249 WE CREATE PRODUCTS WE WOULD WANT TO USE! On Jul 6, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: On 2011-07-06, at 1:57 PM, Karl wrote: I see it every day at the airport. Was that a CICS exception or VSAM issue? Oh...wow...no it was a ‘RTSO’ exception. (Real time sharing option for you youngsters...now I am really ageing myself). And bringing back long suppressed memories for some of us. Can you believe that they charged $2-3k per year for your terminal to respond in some semblance of real time? Karl On Jul 6, 2011, at 8:51 PM, Petite Abeille wrote: On Jul 6, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Ken Anderson wrote: To me, just the fact that WebObjects has been around since 1996 (15 years!) means that it has more legs than any other tool I can think of. Rumor has it that COBOL is still going strong in some less travelled corner of Elbonia :)) ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kgretton%40mac.com This email sent to kgret...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jmb%40paperfree.net This email sent to j...@paperfree.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/award%40apple.com This email sent to aw...@apple.com -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/pgr%40vt.edu This email sent to p...@vt.edu ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list
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On Jul 6, 2011, at 8:50 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: On 2011-07-06, at 6:10 PM, Patrick Robinson wrote: I remember the first time I saw a DECwriter II, after a couple of years of using a Western Union teletype (with paper tape punch!) that used a 110 baud modem with acoustic coupler for the telephone handset to connect to the mainframe. A VT52 would have seemed like magic indeed! :-) Wow. I'd forgotten the name of it but I am pretty sure that VT52 is correct! See, _I'm_ so old that I *remember* the name of the VT52. Chuck, however, is so old that he's *forgotten* it! (My wife asks, Which is older? That's difficult to say...) :-) - Patrick Chuck - Patrick On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: I remember the first time I saw a CRT terminal that used a 110 baud modem to connect to the mainframe. All, the unrivalled potential that platform promised! An iPad would have seemed like magic indeed! On 2011-07-06, at 3:52 PM, Alan Ward wrote: On Jul 6, 2011, at 2:38 PM, Joel M. Benisch wrote: Oh how I miss the well defined structure of the RPG II processing cycle. Was so simple and elegant.. And easy to learn!! :-) And being able to pick up a card and read it by interpreting the hole punches in your head was the geek's equivalent of winning the Super Bowl Either that or being able to toggle in the boot sequence on a PDP11 without referring to any manuals. Ah, the good ol' days. Alan Those were the days -- Joel M. Benisch CPCU, President 973-992-6300 x303 PaperFree Corporation 973-992- FAX 909 Regal Boulevard j...@paperfree.net Livingston, NJ 07039-8249 WE CREATE PRODUCTS WE WOULD WANT TO USE! On Jul 6, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: On 2011-07-06, at 1:57 PM, Karl wrote: I see it every day at the airport. Was that a CICS exception or VSAM issue? Oh...wow...no it was a ‘RTSO’ exception. (Real time sharing option for you youngsters...now I am really ageing myself). And bringing back long suppressed memories for some of us. Can you believe that they charged $2-3k per year for your terminal to respond in some semblance of real time? Karl On Jul 6, 2011, at 8:51 PM, Petite Abeille wrote: On Jul 6, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Ken Anderson wrote: To me, just the fact that WebObjects has been around since 1996 (15 years!) means that it has more legs than any other tool I can think of. Rumor has it that COBOL is still going strong in some less travelled corner of Elbonia :)) ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kgretton%40mac.com This email sent to kgret...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jmb%40paperfree.net This email sent to j...@paperfree.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/award%40apple.com This email sent to aw...@apple.com -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription:
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Le 2011-07-06 à 21:11, Patrick Robinson a écrit : On Jul 6, 2011, at 8:50 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: On 2011-07-06, at 6:10 PM, Patrick Robinson wrote: I remember the first time I saw a DECwriter II, after a couple of years of using a Western Union teletype (with paper tape punch!) that used a 110 baud modem with acoustic coupler for the telephone handset to connect to the mainframe. A VT52 would have seemed like magic indeed! :-) Wow. I'd forgotten the name of it but I am pretty sure that VT52 is correct! See, _I'm_ so old that I *remember* the name of the VT52. Chuck, however, is so old that he's *forgotten* it! (My wife asks, Which is older? That's difficult to say...) :-) The coolest thing about the WO Community is that even if I'm 35, I'm still younger than most of the community :-) But I did have to use COBOL on a VAX 750 at college... And our lab with the first DEC Alpha stations (no need to activate the heat system in winter with those machines!). ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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OK, so as I watch this conversation go by and smile a lot, I find myself wondering We old folks sure did enjoy the ride during the period of great invention and achievement we and our peers participated in. But I sit here wondering what the youngsters will be reminiscing about forty years from now as mid 21st century arrives Will they remember what it was like when they had to fly to meetings rather than just transport to them? ( Beam me up Scotty ) And will some of the youngest ones among us actually remember, one day, what it was like when they lived back on Earth? Now that would be cool. -- Joel M. Benisch CPCU, President 973-992-6300 x303 PaperFree Corporation 973-992- FAX 909 Regal Boulevard j...@paperfree.net Livingston, NJ 07039-8249 WE CREATE PRODUCTS WE WOULD WANT TO USE! On Jul 6, 2011, at 9:15 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: Le 2011-07-06 à 21:11, Patrick Robinson a écrit : On Jul 6, 2011, at 8:50 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: On 2011-07-06, at 6:10 PM, Patrick Robinson wrote: I remember the first time I saw a DECwriter II, after a couple of years of using a Western Union teletype (with paper tape punch!) that used a 110 baud modem with acoustic coupler for the telephone handset to connect to the mainframe. A VT52 would have seemed like magic indeed! :-) Wow. I'd forgotten the name of it but I am pretty sure that VT52 is correct! See, _I'm_ so old that I *remember* the name of the VT52. Chuck, however, is so old that he's *forgotten* it! (My wife asks, Which is older? That's difficult to say...) :-) The coolest thing about the WO Community is that even if I'm 35, I'm still younger than most of the community :-) But I did have to use COBOL on a VAX 750 at college... And our lab with the first DEC Alpha stations (no need to activate the heat system in winter with those machines!). ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jmb%40paperfree.net This email sent to j...@paperfree.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Hmm. So that puts Microshaft in the Triassic...they will probably spend a few million to get that re-classified. On Jul 7, 2011, at 2:21 AM, Petite Abeille wrote: On Jul 7, 2011, at 1:12 AM, Karl wrote: How old are you? Perhaps age doesn't quite convey the depth of the question... geologic time scale might be more appropriate... Cretaceous period? :P ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kgretton%40mac.com This email sent to kgret...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Thats hard to believe (the forgetting partChuck remembers everything). Karl On Jul 7, 2011, at 3:50 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: On 2011-07-06, at 6:10 PM, Patrick Robinson wrote: I remember the first time I saw a DECwriter II, after a couple of years of using a Western Union teletype (with paper tape punch!) that used a 110 baud modem with acoustic coupler for the telephone handset to connect to the mainframe. A VT52 would have seemed like magic indeed! :-) Wow. I'd forgotten the name of it but I am pretty sure that VT52 is correct! Chuck - Patrick On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: I remember the first time I saw a CRT terminal that used a 110 baud modem to connect to the mainframe. All, the unrivalled potential that platform promised! An iPad would have seemed like magic indeed! On 2011-07-06, at 3:52 PM, Alan Ward wrote: On Jul 6, 2011, at 2:38 PM, Joel M. Benisch wrote: Oh how I miss the well defined structure of the RPG II processing cycle. Was so simple and elegant.. And easy to learn!! :-) And being able to pick up a card and read it by interpreting the hole punches in your head was the geek's equivalent of winning the Super Bowl Either that or being able to toggle in the boot sequence on a PDP11 without referring to any manuals. Ah, the good ol' days. Alan Those were the days -- Joel M. Benisch CPCU, President 973-992-6300 x303 PaperFree Corporation 973-992- FAX 909 Regal Boulevard j...@paperfree.net Livingston, NJ 07039-8249 WE CREATE PRODUCTS WE WOULD WANT TO USE! On Jul 6, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: On 2011-07-06, at 1:57 PM, Karl wrote: I see it every day at the airport. Was that a CICS exception or VSAM issue? Oh...wow...no it was a ‘RTSO’ exception. (Real time sharing option for you youngsters...now I am really ageing myself). And bringing back long suppressed memories for some of us. Can you believe that they charged $2-3k per year for your terminal to respond in some semblance of real time? Karl On Jul 6, 2011, at 8:51 PM, Petite Abeille wrote: On Jul 6, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Ken Anderson wrote: To me, just the fact that WebObjects has been around since 1996 (15 years!) means that it has more legs than any other tool I can think of. Rumor has it that COBOL is still going strong in some less travelled corner of Elbonia :)) ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kgretton%40mac.com This email sent to kgret...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jmb%40paperfree.net This email sent to j...@paperfree.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/award%40apple.com This email sent to aw...@apple.com -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/pgr%40vt.edu This email sent to p...@vt.edu
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Hah! Not a chance. I have advanced Sometimers Disease. Sometimes I remember and sometimes uh what were were talking about? On 2011-07-06, at 11:06 PM, Karl wrote: Thats hard to believe (the forgetting partChuck remembers everything). Karl On Jul 7, 2011, at 3:50 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: On 2011-07-06, at 6:10 PM, Patrick Robinson wrote: I remember the first time I saw a DECwriter II, after a couple of years of using a Western Union teletype (with paper tape punch!) that used a 110 baud modem with acoustic coupler for the telephone handset to connect to the mainframe. A VT52 would have seemed like magic indeed! :-) Wow. I'd forgotten the name of it but I am pretty sure that VT52 is correct! Chuck - Patrick On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: I remember the first time I saw a CRT terminal that used a 110 baud modem to connect to the mainframe. All, the unrivalled potential that platform promised! An iPad would have seemed like magic indeed! On 2011-07-06, at 3:52 PM, Alan Ward wrote: On Jul 6, 2011, at 2:38 PM, Joel M. Benisch wrote: Oh how I miss the well defined structure of the RPG II processing cycle. Was so simple and elegant.. And easy to learn!! :-) And being able to pick up a card and read it by interpreting the hole punches in your head was the geek's equivalent of winning the Super Bowl Either that or being able to toggle in the boot sequence on a PDP11 without referring to any manuals. Ah, the good ol' days. Alan Those were the days -- Joel M. Benisch CPCU, President 973-992-6300 x303 PaperFree Corporation 973-992- FAX 909 Regal Boulevard j...@paperfree.net Livingston, NJ 07039-8249 WE CREATE PRODUCTS WE WOULD WANT TO USE! On Jul 6, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: On 2011-07-06, at 1:57 PM, Karl wrote: I see it every day at the airport. Was that a CICS exception or VSAM issue? Oh...wow...no it was a ‘RTSO’ exception. (Real time sharing option for you youngsters...now I am really ageing myself). And bringing back long suppressed memories for some of us. Can you believe that they charged $2-3k per year for your terminal to respond in some semblance of real time? Karl On Jul 6, 2011, at 8:51 PM, Petite Abeille wrote: On Jul 6, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Ken Anderson wrote: To me, just the fact that WebObjects has been around since 1996 (15 years!) means that it has more legs than any other tool I can think of. Rumor has it that COBOL is still going strong in some less travelled corner of Elbonia :)) ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kgretton%40mac.com This email sent to kgret...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jmb%40paperfree.net This email sent to j...@paperfree.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/award%40apple.com This email sent to aw...@apple.com -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list
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I am sure that is very useful in Montreal.. On Jul 7, 2011, at 7:09 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: Hah! Not a chance. I have advanced Sometimers Disease. Sometimes I remember and sometimes uh what were were talking about? On 2011-07-06, at 11:06 PM, Karl wrote: Thats hard to believe (the forgetting partChuck remembers everything). Karl On Jul 7, 2011, at 3:50 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: On 2011-07-06, at 6:10 PM, Patrick Robinson wrote: I remember the first time I saw a DECwriter II, after a couple of years of using a Western Union teletype (with paper tape punch!) that used a 110 baud modem with acoustic coupler for the telephone handset to connect to the mainframe. A VT52 would have seemed like magic indeed! :-) Wow. I'd forgotten the name of it but I am pretty sure that VT52 is correct! Chuck - Patrick On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: I remember the first time I saw a CRT terminal that used a 110 baud modem to connect to the mainframe. All, the unrivalled potential that platform promised! An iPad would have seemed like magic indeed! On 2011-07-06, at 3:52 PM, Alan Ward wrote: On Jul 6, 2011, at 2:38 PM, Joel M. Benisch wrote: Oh how I miss the well defined structure of the RPG II processing cycle. Was so simple and elegant.. And easy to learn!! :-) And being able to pick up a card and read it by interpreting the hole punches in your head was the geek's equivalent of winning the Super Bowl Either that or being able to toggle in the boot sequence on a PDP11 without referring to any manuals. Ah, the good ol' days. Alan Those were the days -- Joel M. Benisch CPCU, President 973-992-6300 x303 PaperFree Corporation 973-992- FAX 909 Regal Boulevard j...@paperfree.net Livingston, NJ 07039-8249 WE CREATE PRODUCTS WE WOULD WANT TO USE! On Jul 6, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: On 2011-07-06, at 1:57 PM, Karl wrote: I see it every day at the airport. Was that a CICS exception or VSAM issue? Oh...wow...no it was a ‘RTSO’ exception. (Real time sharing option for you youngsters...now I am really ageing myself). And bringing back long suppressed memories for some of us. Can you believe that they charged $2-3k per year for your terminal to respond in some semblance of real time? Karl On Jul 6, 2011, at 8:51 PM, Petite Abeille wrote: On Jul 6, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Ken Anderson wrote: To me, just the fact that WebObjects has been around since 1996 (15 years!) means that it has more legs than any other tool I can think of. Rumor has it that COBOL is still going strong in some less travelled corner of Elbonia :)) ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kgretton%40mac.com This email sent to kgret...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jmb%40paperfree.net This email sent to j...@paperfree.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/award%40apple.com This email sent to aw...@apple.com -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post
Re: Apple Representation On WebObjects-Dev Mailing List?
;-) On 2011-07-06, at 11:10 PM, Karl wrote: I am sure that is very useful in Montreal.. On Jul 7, 2011, at 7:09 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: Hah! Not a chance. I have advanced Sometimers Disease. Sometimes I remember and sometimes uh what were were talking about? On 2011-07-06, at 11:06 PM, Karl wrote: Thats hard to believe (the forgetting partChuck remembers everything). Karl On Jul 7, 2011, at 3:50 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: On 2011-07-06, at 6:10 PM, Patrick Robinson wrote: I remember the first time I saw a DECwriter II, after a couple of years of using a Western Union teletype (with paper tape punch!) that used a 110 baud modem with acoustic coupler for the telephone handset to connect to the mainframe. A VT52 would have seemed like magic indeed! :-) Wow. I'd forgotten the name of it but I am pretty sure that VT52 is correct! Chuck - Patrick On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: I remember the first time I saw a CRT terminal that used a 110 baud modem to connect to the mainframe. All, the unrivalled potential that platform promised! An iPad would have seemed like magic indeed! On 2011-07-06, at 3:52 PM, Alan Ward wrote: On Jul 6, 2011, at 2:38 PM, Joel M. Benisch wrote: Oh how I miss the well defined structure of the RPG II processing cycle. Was so simple and elegant.. And easy to learn!! :-) And being able to pick up a card and read it by interpreting the hole punches in your head was the geek's equivalent of winning the Super Bowl Either that or being able to toggle in the boot sequence on a PDP11 without referring to any manuals. Ah, the good ol' days. Alan Those were the days -- Joel M. Benisch CPCU, President 973-992-6300 x303 PaperFree Corporation 973-992- FAX 909 Regal Boulevard j...@paperfree.net Livingston, NJ 07039-8249 WE CREATE PRODUCTS WE WOULD WANT TO USE! On Jul 6, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: On 2011-07-06, at 1:57 PM, Karl wrote: I see it every day at the airport. Was that a CICS exception or VSAM issue? Oh...wow...no it was a ‘RTSO’ exception. (Real time sharing option for you youngsters...now I am really ageing myself). And bringing back long suppressed memories for some of us. Can you believe that they charged $2-3k per year for your terminal to respond in some semblance of real time? Karl On Jul 6, 2011, at 8:51 PM, Petite Abeille wrote: On Jul 6, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Ken Anderson wrote: To me, just the fact that WebObjects has been around since 1996 (15 years!) means that it has more legs than any other tool I can think of. Rumor has it that COBOL is still going strong in some less travelled corner of Elbonia :)) ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kgretton%40mac.com This email sent to kgret...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jmb%40paperfree.net This email sent to j...@paperfree.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/award%40apple.com This email sent to aw...@apple.com -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects
