Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: What's the official policy about the LibO website: Drupal or no Drupal?
Hi all, On 12/12/2010 11:47, Stefan Weigel wrote: Hi Marc, Am 12.12.2010 08:51, schrieb Marc Paré: I am just going by what was declared by the SC starting here: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.website/592 These are self-explanatory. Well: quote during our yesterday's call, the CMS decision was taken: it will be Silverstripe as a starter, with plans to migrate to Drupal later on. /quote To me, plans to migrate to Drupal later on does not necessarily mean, that there actually will be a migration to Drupal. And, the SCM minutes clearly read: quote suggestion is that the website team should do some more planning, what we need regarding website, additional services, and see how this can be achieved with drupal. We see the need of a more sophisticated CMS in the future. /quote To me, this means, that there has to be further evaluation and an that migrating to drupal depends on a future decision by the SC. Pse, don´t get me wrong: I am *not* against Drupal. But we should recognize, what has been decided yet and what not. Yes agreed, and if at the end of the day, Silverstripe does answer all our needs, I don't see why we should migrate to something else. BTW, currently what we would like is to see all the sites on line ;) Kind regards Sophie -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Re: What's the official policy about the LibO website: Drupal or no Drupal?
Le 2010-12-12 03:47, Stefan Weigel a écrit : Hi Stefan: Well: quote during our yesterday's call, the CMS decision was taken: it will be Silverstripe as a starter, with plans to migrate to Drupal later on. /quote To me, plans to migrate to Drupal later on does not necessarily mean, that there actually will be a migration to Drupal. Hmmm, I don't know how more implicit this would be. And, the SCM minutes clearly read: quote suggestion is that the website team should do some more planning, what we need regarding website, additional services, and see how this can be achieved with drupal. We see the need of a more sophisticated CMS in the future. /quote Yes, this, when taken in context, was a comment on the Drupal team not being as organised in the beginning. Most of the Drupal people were busy with their employment commitments and had somehow been caught short in presenting a sample CMS for the SC. However, the documentation was well presented. You would have to read the whole thread to get a feel for it. To me, this means, that there has to be further evaluation and an that migrating to drupal depends on a future decision by the SC. Pse, don´t get me wrong: I am *not* against Drupal. But we should recognize, what has been decided yet and what not. Stefan Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: What's the official policy about the LibO website: Drupal or no Drupal?
A quote: Things grow unstructured. TDF and LibO are two different although related things growing at great pace since few weeks ago. However I think that the structure for contribution is lagging behind for both. I know that new TDF and LibO websites are ongoing. But I don't know what really has to be done. Neither I know what has NOT to be done. I just polished the structure of http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website and realized that there is an official major confusion between TDF and LibO websites development. In the mail list I see few of you with a clear picture of what has to be done. But what about casual contributors such as me or Narayan. How can we know what is a priority and what is not without seeking and reading dozens of messages. Most importantly: Many more will come and find themselves in the same situation. I ask the ones with a rather clear top-down vision to do two things: 1.- Don't over use the mail list. Use the wiki to materialize cooled down knowledge. 2.- Keep the wiki up to date (and structured). http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website can't be up to date when the URL is meaning TDF website and the first paragraph says Welcome to the LibreOffice Webpage development wiki First step: leave http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website for talking about the TDF website and create http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibO/... for LibreOffice topics. LibreOffice website would come in http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibO/Website , etc. On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2010-12-12 03:47, Stefan Weigel a écrit : Hi Stefan: Well: quote during our yesterday's call, the CMS decision was taken: it will be Silverstripe as a starter, with plans to migrate to Drupal later on. /quote To me, plans to migrate to Drupal later on does not necessarily mean, that there actually will be a migration to Drupal. Hmmm, I don't know how more implicit this would be. And, the SCM minutes clearly read: quote suggestion is that the website team should do some more planning, what we need regarding website, additional services, and see how this can be achieved with drupal. We see the need of a more sophisticated CMS in the future. /quote Yes, this, when taken in context, was a comment on the Drupal team not being as organised in the beginning. Most of the Drupal people were busy with their employment commitments and had somehow been caught short in presenting a sample CMS for the SC. However, the documentation was well presented. You would have to read the whole thread to get a feel for it. To me, this means, that there has to be further evaluation and an that migrating to drupal depends on a future decision by the SC. Pse, don´t get me wrong: I am *not* against Drupal. But we should recognize, what has been decided yet and what not. Stefan Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Make sure that Office documents very well depends on PROPRIETARY IE capabilities. Bill Gates, 1998. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] What's the official policy about the LibO website: Drupal or no Drupal?
Hi Narayan, *, On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 7:55 AM, Narayan Aras narayana...@hotmail.com wrote: [...] It is difficult to believe that both sites are the result of the same product-brief. One of them is clearly not meeting the customer's intrinsic needs. The drupal development should focus about the technical aspects, not about the content. If the drupal team would care about the content, then they should do the discussion about that on the public list. As I said before, any future-proof CMS is fine provided someone has done careful feature-comparison. Especially for the features that are required by the different stakeholders. You're a couple of months late. We had that discussion already. and silverstripe does meet all relevant needs. Can SilverStripe or Drupal meet these needs better? I have not seen any study put on line. Has been done in the past. Executive summary Silverstripe: Does it out of the box, drupal has so many modules, so surely it can do the same and more and has a bigger fanbase/more users worldwide However the drupal demonstration sites sucked badly at the time, thus SC did vote for going live with Silverstripe. That there has not been much content on the site surely is not the fault of silverstripe. I'm very disappointed about this as well, but the reason is that almost nobody did provide content to put up on the site. Thankfully David and Italo did jump in and are working hard to get some content up that is good enough to make the switch from test.libreoffice.org to [www.]libreoffice.org ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] test.libreoffice.org
Hi, maybe you noticed the changings in the webdesign of test.libreoffice.org. There was a short private discussion about it. Now we want to take this discussion to all. The most of the changes happened because of our logo and the branding rules (http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding). It is not the last solution and so feel free to tell us your ideas (and about your helping). -- Grüße k-j -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] test.libreoffice.org
Hi, :-) On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 22:08, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol o...@sophia-louise.de wrote: Hi, maybe you noticed the changings in the webdesign of test.libreoffice.org. There was a short private discussion about it. Now we want to take this discussion to all. The most of the changes happened because of our logo and the branding rules (http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding). It is not the last solution and so feel free to tell us your ideas (and about your helping). I think the changes are an improvement. The current design is functional, conservative yet light and with some color, which I imagine is TDF's intention. The CSS of the left side menu still needs a little more love. I will post another TODO about that. Now that there is some content on some of the pages, you can probably judge better whether some of the font sizes need adjusting slightly. You can look at the installation instructions page to get an idea [1] There are still some small issues with the script on the Downloads page, but I have posted a TODO [2] about that as well, so Christian will probably be dealing with that. [1] https://test.libreoffice.org/get-help/installation/ [2] http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/TODO-3-SilverStripe-site-Downloads-page-fixes-tp2067505p207.html David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] What's the official policy about the LibO website: Drupal or no Drupal?
Hi, :-) On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 21:41, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com wrote: You're a couple of months late. We had that discussion already. and silverstripe does meet all relevant needs. Can SilverStripe or Drupal meet these needs better? I have not seen any study put on line. If you look at this comparative table [1], SilverStripe actually scores better than Drupal... [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Evaluation_of_CMS_Platforms#Preconditions_to_go_live_with_one_of_the_CMS David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] TODO #3 SilverStripe site Downloads page fixes
Hi David, thanks for reminding me of all the things I forgot to do :-) Keep 'em coming! On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 1:08 AM, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote: Last batch of download page fixes. See screenshot for illustration [1]. 1) Align text of BitTorrent checkbox middle with checkbox. Make sure checkbox is aligned middle with dropdown list. Somewhat tricky, but I tried my best to improve it. Please test with various browsers. 2) Capitalize the D of Download using BitTorrent. Done. 3) Eliminate all the messages that display below the dropdown lists: a) The explanations in the page cover the info. b) They have ugly formatting and visually complicate the page. c) They complicate the script code. d) They complicate localization work. e) My grandmother doesn't like them. f) I like to complain about things. :-) I disabled them. But I put the blame on you if people just download the languagepack and then wonder why it cannot be installed :-P (the wording above the selection is clear though :-) But how to check for the case when the user selects a language, but no languagepack is available? Your screenshot shows a false-positive, the text can be easily hidden for en-US.. Thus I just did comment it out, not remove it completely... 4) Replace Full installer with installer (notice the *lowercase* first letter). OK, Full removed 5) Replace Source to build yourself with Download the source code to build your own installer. OK, done. 6) Replace SDK, to develop extensions, external tools with Download the SDK for developing extensions and external tools. OK, done. 7) LibreOffice, the productivity suite serves no purpose (links to home page). Either eliminate it or else replace text with Read the installation instructions and link to the Installation page under Get Help. Well - see the other posting - it does seve the same purpose as the other ones. Did you actually click on it? Did not hide it, left it inside. But changed the links to local anchor, as suggested in another mail. 8) Please explain me the difference between the two windows installers. multi: Only some languages, all: All available languages. ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] What's the official policy about the LibO website: Drupal or no Drupal?
Hi David, 2010/12/12 David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz If you look at this comparative table [1], SilverStripe actually scores better than Drupal... [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Evaluation_of_CMS_Platforms#Preconditions_to_go_live_with_one_of_the_CMS Look again ;) If questions go to http://www.libreofficeaustralia.org/richeditortest/rich-editor-test-book and http://libreofficeaustralia.org/node/51/revisions And again, you can add a lot of more advanced features if you want to. I'm leaving revision control (author-editor-publ) just because is not implemented yet, not than Drupal doesn't have that (that's basic). Kind regards -- http://www.cjenkins.net/ http://csl-tec.softwarelibrecr.org/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] What's the official policy about the LibO website: Drupal or no Drupal?
2010/12/12 Carlos Jenkins hastciber...@gmail.com [OT] Michael, Did you upgrade lately the Drupal modules base? The Image Resize filter is broken, I'm disabling it for now while I check what happened. Kind regards Fixed, was a configuration parameter. Kind regards -- http://www.cjenkins.net/ http://csl-tec.softwarelibrecr.org/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
RE: [libreoffice-website] test.libreoffice.org
Hi! I am not sure if your invitation for ideas was for logo/branding or for the page. But assuming that it is about everything, then the tag line is terrible. Both logo and the tag line are supposed to be about the same thing. So the next question: Is this logo for LibO (the product), or TDF (the organization behind it)? Since the logo is placed with download links, I assume it is for the product. Then why does the tagline say The Document Foundation? It is supposed to say something more about the product. (e.g. It can say The Liberated Office or something similar.) -Narayan Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:08:41 +0100 From: o...@sophia-louise.de To: website@libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-website] test.libreoffice.org Hi, maybe you noticed the changings in the webdesign of test.libreoffice.org. There was a short private discussion about it. Now we want to take this discussion to all. The most of the changes happened because of our logo and the branding rules (http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding). It is not the last solution and so feel free to tell us your ideas (and about your helping). -- Grüße k-j -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: What's the official policy about the LibO website: Drupal or no Drupal?
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2010-12-12 08:30, Samuel Gómez a écrit : A quote: Things grow unstructured. TDF and LibO are two different although related things growing at great pace since few weeks ago. However I think that the structure for contribution is lagging behind for both. I know that new TDF and LibO websites are ongoing. But I don't know what really has to be done. Neither I know what has NOT to be done. I just polished the structure of http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website and realized that there is an official major confusion between TDF and LibO websites development. In the mail list I see few of you with a clear picture of what has to be done. But what about casual contributors such as me or Narayan. How can we know what is a priority and what is not without seeking and reading dozens of messages. Most importantly: Many more will come and find themselves in the same situation. I ask the ones with a rather clear top-down vision to do two things: 1.- Don't over use the mail list. Use the wiki to materialize cooled down knowledge. 2.- Keep the wiki up to date (and structured). http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website can't be up to date when the URL is meaning TDF website and the first paragraph says Welcome to the LibreOffice Webpage development wiki First step: leave http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website for talking about the TDF website and create http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibO/... for LibreOffice topics. LibreOffice website would come in http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibO/Website , etc. Hi Samuel: Many thanks for cleaning up the wiki page. It definitely more readable. You're welcome. For members who would like to contribute, free to join in with the Drupal team as we have many areas where LibreOffice members may contribute. You may find the signup page here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Drupal_Strategy. Marc Drupal Web. Deb. Member -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Make sure that Office documents very well depends on PROPRIETARY IE capabilities. Bill Gates, 1998. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: What's the official policy about the LibO website: Drupal or no Drupal?
Hi Marc, all, just a short comment with regards to a part of your mail that might be misunderstood... Marc Paré schrieb: [...] For members who would like to contribute, free to join in with the Drupal team as we have many areas where LibreOffice members may contribute. There are several areas of possible contribution. Personal opinions on what is necessary may be quite different, so please don't think this is the only or most urgent place your contribution is needed. Feel free to ask here on the list, if you're not sure about what tasks might fit your skills and interests best. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
RE: [libreoffice-website] What's the official policy about the LibO website: Drupal or no Drupal?
Hi Christian, That there has not been much content on the site surely is not the fault of silverstripe. I'm very disappointed about this as well, but the reason is that almost nobody did provide content to put up on the site. Frankly I don't understand why the site should have almost no content (this has nothing to do with CMS). Why does it not have blogs, wiki and forum? (they get filled up by visitors; not content-writers.) Why does it not have marketing pages? (there are not left to casual contributors.) In fact, the SC should have used the sticky threads in forum to convey roadmaps and progress-reports to visitors. Note that each type of stakeholders (coders, documenters, website-makers, LibO-users) should have their own forums. Therefore SC can post separately customized messages for each target segment. The website also can have static pages such as FAQ created by SC. That would remove any confusion in people's mind, and better attract the contributors. I haven't seen anything worse than mail lists (especially for latecomers). Despite wading through hundreds of posts, all they get is various conflicting opinions (not official decisions). One such example is whether we will migrate to Drupal at all. Everyone has an opinion. But what's the official stand? Such far-reaching issues can be explained through FAQ or sticky posts at forum. Then the authors and contributors would know whether spending effort after Drupal is worthwhile. THIS IS TERRIBLE. Can SilverStripe or Drupal meet these needs better? I have not seen any study put on line. Has been done in the past. Executive summary Silverstripe: Does it out of the box, drupal has so many modules, so surely it can do the same and more and has a bigger fanbase/more users worldwide However the drupal demonstration sites sucked badly at the time, thus SC did vote for going live with Silverstripe. BTW by pure chance I came across this page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Evaluation_of_CMS_Platforms#Preconditions_to_go_live_with_one_of_the_CMS IMHO the feature-comparison is readily available at CMS matrix website (www.cmsmatrix.org). So this exercise was not necessary. What we need is a collection of all stakeholders' needs. I posted a sample a few posts ago. The current IA does not cater to many of those needs. (This has nothing to do with CMS, but the IA design per se.) -Narayan -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] test.libreoffice.org
On 2010-12-12 9:08 AM, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote: Hi, maybe you noticed the changings in the webdesign of test.libreoffice.org. There was a short private discussion about it. Now we want to take this discussion to all. The most of the changes happened because of our logo and the branding rules (http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding). It is not the last solution and so feel free to tell us your ideas (and about your helping). First thing that jumps out is it is way too wide. I get a horizontal scroll bar long before I should... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] What's the official policy about the LibO website: Drupal or no Drupal?
Hi, On 12/12/2010 19:33, Narayan Aras wrote: Hi Christian, That there has not been much content on the site surely is not the fault of silverstripe. I'm very disappointed about this as well, but the reason is that almost nobody did provide content to put up on the site. Frankly I don't understand why the site should have almost no content (this has nothing to do with CMS). This is the contrary, Christian said that the content has not been develop for the www.libreoffice.org website. Not that it should have no content. Thanks to David and Italo, we will have this site very soon now :) Why does it not have blogs, wiki and forum? (they get filled up by visitors; not content-writers.) ha, may be because there is wiki and forum elsewhere already? Why does it not have marketing pages? (there are not left to casual contributors.) I was on my way to ask for an l10n.libreoffice.org, may be this is something to discuss, but we should ask on the list first? In fact, the SC should have used the sticky threads in forum to convey roadmaps and progress-reports to visitors. Why the SC should have done that ? Note that each type of stakeholders (coders, documenters, website-makers, LibO-users) should have their own forums. We have already our mailing lists, no needs to duplicate the info vectors imho. Therefore SC can post separately customized messages for each target segment. We do not need to post message to anybody, message is here since some time, just take it. The website also can have static pages such as FAQ created by SC. Why should we create a FAQ, every body, each community has the possibility to write a FAQ That would remove any confusion in people's mind, and better attract the contributors. I don't understand your point here. I haven't seen anything worse than mail lists (especially for latecomers). ha, but that's the only way for people like me to contribute, sorry. Despite wading through hundreds of posts, all they get is various conflicting opinions (not official decisions). Could you give an example here? It seems that the EN site has some delay, but some other sites are ready to go, so decision has been taken already :) And we have take the Silverstripe option, so the decision is made also. Now, I don't know how it is called in english, but we may also study other solutions, something like a technological prospective. Unfortunately I don't have the skills and the time to develop them, so I'm confident the community will be able to answers with tools corresponding to our needs, QATrack is one of the best example :-) One such example is whether we will migrate to Drupal at all. Everyone has an opinion. But what's the official stand For the moment, we are working on Silverstripe. We are a very very large community and hence have very different needs, QA, l10, docs come at the topf of my mind. Our community is not new, it comes with a past of work and usage. We have already some tools we are using for very specific purpose, we have some language teams that have some scope and needs that are very different from others. So the decision of a CMS has not to be taken on the next 5 minutes. I, as an SC member, understand that Drupal is able to do everything, I quite very well know Drupal members in the francophone community and know also how they are passionate. It's great, but actually I would only like it to do what I need and it does not seem the case. For the moment Silverstripe is doing all what my (meaning the one I belong, not the one I own) group needs, so yes, that will influence my vote. Such far-reaching issues can be explained through FAQ or sticky posts at forum. I still don't understand what you miss Then the authors and contributors would know whether spending effort after Drupal is worthwhile. THIS IS TERRIBLE. No, I don't think so. Just go to the different groups and ask what is needed. And see if what is already used fulfill the needs or if there is another better tool where this group should invest time and money to work with. The other way is to let them ask, and try to adapt the technology. Nothing terrible here, just life :) Kind regards Sophie -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Tasks and volunteers
Am 12.12.2010 17:31, schrieb Samuel Gómez: To all volunteers, Please fill in your row at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Tasks_and_volunteers If you think some columns should be created/deleted/merged/split please discuss it or simply do it. Also, instead of YES/(NO) we could use numbers from 1 to 5 meaning less or more commitment. Can you describe a little bit in the wiki what is meant with: setup, site admin, systems admin etc.? And there is one thing which I miss: content And that's the point wich we miss in reality. -- Greetings k-j -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: CMS Workflow: LibreOffice - Page: International - Status: Completed
Hi Rimas, *,
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Rimas Kudelis r...@akl.lt wrote:
2010.12.10 01:23, Christian Lohmaier rašė:
Otherwise we have pages with scrollbar and pages without scrollbar,
which makes the pages shifting left/right when navigating through
the site. (At least when using Firefox)
[...]
So again if we really want this, then html {height:100%;
margin-bottom:1px;} is /way/ better than having a huge diff around.
html { overflow: scroll; }
wouldn't that be even better?
That would also add a horizontal scrollbar as well, so overflow-y:
scroll is the only option, but that is css3 only.
(but yes, more elegant solution than the dummy-margin and even if it
is not supported by some browsers: not taking it into account won't
hurt)
ciao
Christian
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Tasks and volunteers
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 6:58 PM, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol o...@sophia-louise.de wrote: Am 12.12.2010 17:31, schrieb Samuel Gómez: To all volunteers, Please fill in your row at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Tasks_and_volunteers If you think some columns should be created/deleted/merged/split please discuss it or simply do it. Also, instead of YES/(NO) we could use numbers from 1 to 5 meaning less or more commitment. Can you describe a little bit in the wiki what is meant with: setup, site admin, systems admin etc.? I see your point but I'm not able to do it. I simply made an aggregation of the very same terms used by the original authors of the article; I don't know exactly what they included and what they excluded they wrote site admin, systems admin, etc. The value I'm really adding is pointing out a readable structure for that content, rather than providing a closed list of tasks. And there is one thing which I miss: content And that's the point wich we miss in reality. Put. Thanks for the feedback. -- Greetings k-j -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Make sure that Office documents very well depends on PROPRIETARY IE capabilities. Bill Gates, 1998. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] What's the official policy about the LibO website: Drupal or no Drupal?
Sophie Gautier wrote: We are a very very large community and hence have very different needs, QA, l10, docs come at the topf of my mind. Our community is not new, it comes with a past of work and usage. I agree with this. The OpenOffice.org volunteers now employ dozens of tools, see slide 7 of http://www.ooocon.org/index.php/ooocon/2010/paper/view/207 for a list of 20 or so tools/technologies in use, often with overlapping or identical scope. Forcing a new technology on volunteers (even if it is by far the best technology from a technical point of view) is always risky unless you accept that you can do without those volunteers who simply do not want to abandon the old, bad tools they got used to. Regards, Andrea. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] test.libreoffice.org
Hi Charles, *, On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Charles Marcus cmar...@media-brokers.com wrote: First thing that jumps out is it is way too wide. I get a horizontal scroll bar long before I should... Do you mean the wiki or test.libreoffice.org? For test.libreoffice.org, the smallest (reported/recorded) screensize is 1024x600 (although that data is not very representative yet of course) So what screen-size do you have, and on please be more specific about long before I should The scrollbar shouldn't be displayed when not necessary, but as the content area with real content is around 800pixels wide, and the header area is a little wider even, you get the scrollbar when running on 800x600 for example. But you should never ever have to scroll back and forth to read the actual content area of the page, unless you run on less than 800pixel wide screen - but I doubt anyone uses such a small monitor. (you might have to scroll to access the subpage-navigation at the left hand side or the leftmost tab though). In the end it is always a tradeoff - how small screen can you support without sucking on big screens. There have been more complaints about the page not extending to the full width of the screen. Yours is the first about the page being too wide/forces horizontal scrolling. ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page
Hi Danishka, *, On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Danishka Navin danis...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 9:30 PM, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com lohmaier%2booofut...@googlemail.comwrote: On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Danishka Navin danis...@gmail.com wrote: [sorting of the languagedropdown on download-page] please do not take the locale name but localcode (lang-Country) that is the part not localized for example; si-LK is the langcode for Sinhala if we set the dropdown by order of langcode every one can see there language as the langcode order and every lancode is redable. But the question is: Will people know what the iso-code for their language is? as we all know the web site is going to be localized. So, in the English content page default package should be English. The default is whatever the browser's language is, the default is not tied to the locale of the page. The browser's UI usually reflect the UI preference of the user,... Hope you got my point :) I hope you get mine as well (for the user there should be no need to switch to another language hopefully - if detection fails, then please tell me so). The user definitely knows the name of the language, but might not know the iso-code. And for people who want to download more than one language, I suggest to expand the list below the selection (which then is sorted by iso-code) In the end, it is only a small change, I hoped that other people would post their opinion on this.. ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 12:50 AM, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com lohmaier%2booofut...@googlemail.comwrote: Hi Danishka, *, On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Danishka Navin danis...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 9:30 PM, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com lohmaier%2booofut...@googlemail.com lohmaier%2booofut...@googlemail.comlohmaier%252booofut...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Danishka Navin danis...@gmail.com wrote: [sorting of the languagedropdown on download-page] please do not take the locale name but localcode (lang-Country) that is the part not localized for example; si-LK is the langcode for Sinhala if we set the dropdown by order of langcode every one can see there language as the langcode order and every lancode is redable. But the question is: Will people know what the iso-code for their language is? as we all know the web site is going to be localized. So, in the English content page default package should be English. The default is whatever the browser's language is, the default is not tied to the locale of the page. The browser's UI usually reflect the UI preference of the user,... Hope you got my point :) Just write down the list in order by language code and compare it with the existing one understanding of the langcode is not required. for example, if you want to get either slovanian or sinhala you can just type 'S' then list will move to langcodes start with Sinhala then you can see your language is around there. this will work for many languages. I hope you get mine as well (for the user there should be no need to switch to another language hopefully - if detection fails, then please tell me so). The user definitely knows the name of the language, but might not know the iso-code. in my language Unicode is not use in every where its still promoting100% the best solution is to remove this dropdown list and just show a a table like in Mozilla or in OO.o http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all.html 01 detect your systems locale and prompt relevant Libo package if not let them to select from a table check this out getfirefox.com 'Other Systems and Languageshttp://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all.html ' http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all.html And for people who want to download more than one language, I suggest to expand the list below the selection (which then is sorted by iso-code) In the end, it is only a small change, I hoped that other people would post their opinion on this.. ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.orgwebsite%2bh...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/danishkanavin http://identi.ca/danishka -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] test.libreoffice.org
Hi David, *, On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 4:09 PM, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote: On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 22:08, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol o...@sophia-louise.de wrote: The CSS of the left side menu still needs a little more love. It's possible to flush them with the left border of the content-area. I.e. shifting it 20 pixels to the left, that in turn would gain 20 pixel for the content. Then the next question would be on whether to have the highlighting button fixed-width, or dynamic-size (i.e. short subpage gets short hightlight, long button gets longer highlight), etc. I will post another TODO about that. Thanks for that, looking forward to it. on pumbaa, I demoed dynamic-width navigation buttons, see e.g. http://pumbaa.ooodev.org:7780/develop/ (long international button, and short FAQ one) (highlight of tabs is just the green inverted - just ignore it) ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Tasks and volunteers
How does this work. If my name is not there do I just had it and let you know what I can help with? Because I don't really have a task. I can do a bit of everything but I probably be most useful doing systems administration since this is what I do for a living. Seb. 2010/12/13 Samuel Gómez fuljen...@gmail.com: To all volunteers, Please fill in your row at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Tasks_and_volunteers If you think some columns should be created/deleted/merged/split please discuss it or simply do it. Also, instead of YES/(NO) we could use numbers from 1 to 5 meaning less or more commitment. -- Make sure that Office documents very well depends on PROPRIETARY IE capabilities. Bill Gates, 1998. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] What's the official policy about the LibO website: Drupal or no Drupal?
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 2:03 AM, Narayan Aras narayana...@hotmail.com wrote: Why does it not have blogs, wiki and forum? (they get filled up by visitors; not content-writers.) A forum and heavily integrated communication and support system is coming with Drupal which will support communication through mailing list, forum and XML. I am not sure how we would migrate items from a Silverstripe forum to a Drupal forum as they have to be attributed to a user. Please be patient, Drupal is only a couple of months off. One such example is whether we will migrate to Drupal at all. Everyone has an opinion. But what's the official stand? I don't know if there is misconception or misinformation. After Drupal has been developed into a full community site, it will replace Silverstripe. This is my interpretation of the decision made by the SC. This decision was announced on the website development wiki which nobody has challenged this for 2 months now. We have been in constant contact with Florian, our SC member, directly who has overseen the development with this goal clearly in mind, in line with the SC decision. As such I would put forward that anybody stating otherwise is ill informed or has misinterpreted the initial vote outcome. http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.website/592 The discussion that Stefan has quoted is an internal documentation team discussion about if using Drupal as the primary tool for documentation development is the best option (Not relevant to the discussion here). If anybody can interpret the decision in any other way can they please cite a reference to a SC decision which contradicts this original vote for Silverstripe as an effective intermediate to the larger Drupal project. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Evaluation_of_CMS_Platforms#Preconditions_to_go_live_with_one_of_the_CMS IMHO the feature-comparison is readily available at CMS matrix website (www.cmsmatrix.org). The matrix which was constructed on the wiki had not been updated for Drupal. It supports 90% of the requriements out of the box, and we have setup all of the other 'preconditions' already. We are now building the rest of the community site not covered by this matrix. By the way www.cmsmatrix.org is inaccurate. I just read through the Drupal matrix and 50% of the assessment is totally incorrect. Samuel Gómez wrote: First step: leave http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website for talking about the TDF website and create http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibO/... for LibreOffice topics. LibreOffice website would come in http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibO/Website , etc. The document foundation Wiki currently reflects the TDF structure with 'website' being a project team rather than reflecting the infrastructure of the websites. To summarise: The official position as per the SC vote is to use Silverstripe until Drupal is considered ready, at which point we will move the content over to Drupal and replace the Silverstripe site. We are progressing well down this path and should be ready to do as the SC has requested early next year. Unless there is a discussion and decision otherwise I suggest that we all align our efforts with the SC decision and work towards improving the content on Silverstripe and the further consulting with project teams leading to the final Drupal site. Michael Wheatland -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
RE: [libreoffice-website] What's the official policy about the LibO website: Drupal or no Drupal?
Hi Michael, Why does it not have blogs, wiki and forum? (they get filled up by visitors; not content-writers.) A forum and heavily integrated communication and support system is coming with Drupal which will support communication through mailing list, forum and XML. I am not sure how we would migrate items from a Silverstripe forum to a Drupal forum as they have to be attributed to a user. Please be patient, Drupal is only a couple of months off. I was talking of the SilverStripe version, which was supposed to fill the void. There is no significant activity there. These are formation days for LibO community; so I expect more content (policies, directions) coming from the leadership. The website structure should focus on recruiting people in different streams, and guide them to proper page. Each landing page for a specific type of stakeholder (coder, documenter, etc.) should brief the new visitor thoroughly. It should explain the workflow, and provide links to all resources, tools and repositories. Also, SilverStripe forums would have been a welcome relief from these darned mail lists. Unless there is a discussion and decision otherwise I suggest that we all align our efforts with the SC decision and work towards improving the content on Silverstripe and the further consulting with project teams leading to the final Drupal site. Well, if the Drpal site was say a year down the road, I'd say SilverStripe was worth a shot. But the fact is, the SilverStripe project is almost telescoping into Drupal project. Even if contents are added within next 10 days, the useful life will be 2 months max. Then there's the headache of migrating everything to Drupal! I wonder if this is really worth the effort. So, rather than adding features in SilverStripe, it may be better to populate it with static contents. Examples are: From the SC: FAQ, Policy statements, roadmap, sticky threads at each forum for newcomers. From the marketing team: Description about LibO (how it is different from OOo), branding inputs Come to think of it, these contents can be placed in the Drupal site directly. It seems to be mature enough structurally. New sections can be added in parallel. I volunteer to be a moderator at Drupal. -Narayan -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] What's the official policy about the LibO website: Drupal or no Drupal?
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Narayan Aras narayana...@hotmail.com wrote: So, rather than adding features in SilverStripe, it may be better to populate it with static contents. This is what is currently happening with the exception of the download page which is custom coded in Silverstripe. We will rebuild this in the native Drupal infrastructure when we are ready to launch. There was a flurry of discussion around this earlier and people seemed more happy to use the current infrastucture for communication (mailing list and wiki) and wait for the Drupal implementation. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Re: What's the official policy about the LibO website: Drupal or no Drupal?
Le 2010-12-13 00:10, Narayan Aras a écrit : I volunteer to be a moderator at Drupal. -Narayan For members who would like to contribute, free to join in with the Drupal team as we have many areas where LibreOffice members may contribute. You may find the signup page here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Drupal_Strategy. Feel free to add your name to a section even if there are contributors already in that section. Help is always appreciated. Marc Drupal Web. Deb. Member -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
