Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice website team inaugural conference call
2011/1/20 David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz Hi, :-) On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 12:28, Michael Wheatland mich...@wheatland.com.au wrote: There seems to be a consensus for the conference call. Is everybody happy if I close the poll and we select Friday 21 January @ 5pm GMT? Seems OK to me. To me as well. Charles. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.orgwebsite%2bh...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice website team inaugural conference call
Hi Christoph, all, On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com wrote: Hi Michael, Ivan, all! I'd like to comment, here, since I don't like the term leaders in the website case. Well, there had been an official request to the SC for dedicated editing rights to ensure stability and harmonization (and some more ideas) of the website. You're absolutely right - I reused the language from Michael's post but I should have given it more thought and stopped to question the term. Sorry. Like you, I don't like the term 'leader' either - it misrepresents what the SC decided. So, yes, let's tone it down and move forward with the confcall at 5pm GMT. I'll look forward to it :) Regards, Ivan. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities
On 1/20/11 7:42 AM, Narayan Aras wrote: Immediately after taking over, Oracle made OOo upgradable. Oracle cares about this. We don't. Only the proprietary Oracle Open [space] Office is upgradable, not the community version. Oracle cares so much that has decided to rename the proprietary version like the community version, showing no respect at all for the community that has developed that brand, and creating a mess with users. -- Italo Vignoli - The Document Foundation E-mail: italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org Mobile +39.348.5653829 - VoIP: +39.02.320621813 Skype: italovignoli - GTalk: italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
RE: [libreoffice-website] [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities
Narayan Aras wrote: And yet LibO requires full download for each version. Immediately after taking over, Oracle made OOo upgradable. Oracle cares about this. We don't. We pander to the contributors instead. How much time was devoted to making LibO upgradable with patches? For what is relevant to this thread, this is incorrect. OOo (OpenOffice.org) will still require a full download to be updated, in version 3.3 too - otherwise the feature would have been included in LibreOffice 3.3 like virtually everything else from OpenOffice.org 3.3. Incremental upgrades are in the proprietary product named Oracle Open Office, that is the new name of StarOffice and is distinct from OpenOffice.org, of course. Regards, Andrea. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Features screeshots for the website
Hi David, On 20/01/2011 05:32, David Nelson wrote: Hi Sophie, :-) On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 01:18, Sophie Gautiergautier.sop...@gmail.com wrote: Where can I find what has been done? Is it LibO only or OOo too Who have work on it, is there still work needed? What is the deadline? All current screenshots can be found at: https://www.libreoffice.org/admin/assets/ ok, thanks Look in the EN-Project_images directory. But there are none of the new features as such. I guess we're only looking at new features in LibO. I was not sure after Christoph mail, because the new printing dialog (box ;) would be great to advertise too. Deadline: when you want, when you can. I guess the deadline is before next week or release date. Submission: I suggest you mail them to me and I will file them at a logical place in the directory tree structure. Or else post them under EN-Project_images/NewFeatures, which you will have to create beforehand... ok, I'll send them to you. Kind regards Sophie -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] L10n mailing list and l10n wiki link on the website
Hi David, On 20/01/2011 04:47, David Nelson wrote: Hi Sophie, :-) On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 23:33, Erich Christianerich_...@irq.at wrote: I've admin rights for the FR project, are you sure I need to create another account? My mistake, sorry, I didn't look carefully enough. ok, np, and thanks for the corrections you've done this morning. BTW, the term localization is our recognition sign through open source teams, this is why I did insist on it. Currently I need to add the l10n address because there is no entry point for them on the international website. We could IRC over the weekend if you like? Well, I'm afraid the week-end is already full of tasks for the project, but let see. Kind regards Sophie David Nelson -- Founding member of The Document Foundation -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [tdf-discuss] [contribution] Screenshots urgently needed!
Hi Mark, On 20/01/2011 02:50, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Mark, thanks for stepping in :-) Yes, indeed, it's really appreciated. [big snip of Bernhard mail] Could you tell me on what you'll work so we won't duplicate? Thanks again Kind regards Sophie -- Founding member of The Document Foundation -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Features screeshots for the website
Hi Sophie, :-) Tomorrow or Saturday I will mail you screenshots that Mark Morin already took and sent me, so that you can look at them and maybe avoid duplicated work. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [tdf-discuss] [contribution] Screenshots urgently needed!
Hi Sophie, :-) I just responded about that in the other thread. I'll mail you Mark's screenshots so you can see what's already there. ;-) David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-documentation] help with wiki math syntax
Hi, On Thursday 20 January 2011 12:19, Sophie Gautier wrote: Hi all, I (or we FR project) need help on writing formulas on the wiki. I've asked for the MathJax extension to be added, but Manuel told me that a LateX framework was already there: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Formula Maybe it's not enabled? quote To have math rendered, you have to set $wgUseTeX = true; in LocalSettings.php. /quote Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Features screeshots for the website
Hi David, On 20/01/2011 14:25, David Nelson wrote: Hi Sophie, :-) Tomorrow or Saturday I will mail you screenshots that Mark Morin already took and sent me, so that you can look at them and maybe avoid duplicated work. Please, don't send the screen shots, my mail may get really ill and I pay a good price for the traffic ;-) so a simple list of features would be great, or else a link to a place on the web, so I can ask to someone else for the download. Thanks Kind regards Sophie -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Features screeshots for the website
Hi Sophie, :-) OK, I'll post a link over the weekend. ;-) David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Features screeshots for the website
Hi David, I sent the file off this morning. Mark On 01/20/2011 06:25 AM, David Nelson wrote: Hi Sophie, :-) Tomorrow or Saturday I will mail you screenshots that Mark Morin already took and sent me, so that you can look at them and maybe avoid duplicated work. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Features screeshots for the website
Hi Mark, :-) I did indeed get your screenshots and mailed you back to acknowledge. Thanks for that. I'll mail you back about the other mail over the weekend. ;-) David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Features screeshots for the website
Ho Sophie, I'm sorry, I already sent the file off before I saw this. If you can telnet into your account and delete that item, I will post the shots on my personal website later in the day. I had pretty much completed the general features that did not already have screen shots and was about half way through the calc section. Mark On 01/20/2011 06:46 AM, Sophie Gautier wrote: Hi David, On 20/01/2011 14:25, David Nelson wrote: Hi Sophie, :-) Tomorrow or Saturday I will mail you screenshots that Mark Morin already took and sent me, so that you can look at them and maybe avoid duplicated work. Please, don't send the screen shots, my mail may get really ill and I pay a good price for the traffic ;-) so a simple list of features would be great, or else a link to a place on the web, so I can ask to someone else for the download. Thanks Kind regards Sophie -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice website team inaugural conference call
So the date is set. Inaugural LibreOffice website team Conference Call Friday 21st January at 5pm GMT. You can download the iCal file here: http://doodle.com/export/ics?adminKey=participantKey=pollId=wzy78i52av4h6dinoptionIndex=62locale=entimeZone=GMT Convert the time to your time zone: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converted.html?day=21month=1year=2011hour=17min=0sec=0p1=0p2=72 I will update the wiki page with the date and time. David, as we discussed, could you please organise the conf call resource with access codes etc and post to the wiki. Thanks all, and I am looking forward to talking to you all on Friday. Michael Wheatland -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice website team inaugural conference call
Hi, David Nelson wrote on 2011-01-20 01.47: Hopefully, we'll be using Talkyoo. In that case, the call will be recorded, and Florian will afterwards put the recorded mp3 on the wiki. Then we'll set up a minutes page on the website team's portion of the wiki and post a link to it there, so that people can download it. if the other SC members have no issues with rescheduling the SC call which, really just by pure coincidence, was also scheduled for 1700 UTC, then you can use talkyoo and will have MP3 recordings. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities
Hello Drew, drew wrote on 2011-01-19 20.59: Guys I have my problems with decisions made by the SC members and I am leaving because of it, perhaps not quick enough, which I will pass on to them in a private email. as I didn't receive a private mail from you, I guess it doesn't concern me. Anyways, as a member of the SC and dedicated to working on our community, I would be really interested what brought you to this sad decision. I would be happy if we could follow-up via private e-mail. I think ranting, leaving and not communicating on the right channels are the main problems a community can face, so let's work together, united, on what we all want to achieve... Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice website team inaugural conference call
Mike, hmm... no. There's an SC call at the same time. So we are going to have to find another schedule. Please stay tuned. Thanks! Charles. Le Thu, 20 Jan 2011 22:19:49 +0930, Michael Wheatland mich...@wheatland.com.au a écrit : So the date is set. Inaugural LibreOffice website team Conference Call Friday 21st January at 5pm GMT. You can download the iCal file here: http://doodle.com/export/ics?adminKey=participantKey=pollId=wzy78i52av4h6dinoptionIndex=62locale=entimeZone=GMT Convert the time to your time zone: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converted.html?day=21month=1year=2011hour=17min=0sec=0p1=0p2=72 I will update the wiki page with the date and time. David, as we discussed, could you please organise the conf call resource with access codes etc and post to the wiki. Thanks all, and I am looking forward to talking to you all on Friday. Michael Wheatland -- Charles-H. Schulz Membre du Comité exécutif The Document Foundation. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities
Empty e-mail? ;) drew wrote on 2011-01-20 14.43: On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 14:13 +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote: on what we all want to achieve... -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
RE : Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice website team inaugural conference call
Not me, but then i'm not the only one to ask. Another day? Charles. Le 20 janv. 2011, 2:45 PM, Michael Wheatland mich...@wheatland.com.au a écrit : As far as I can see the next best time would be 1900 (7pm) Friday 21 January. This would also exclude Daniel Stoni as well as Narayan. Sorry guys. Would this suit? Mike -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.orgwebsite%2bh...@libreoffice.orgList archive: http://listarchi... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities
Hugh, Charles Marcus has spoken. Folks, ever thought that for problems, often two sides are responsiblem two parties are involved? It's rather easy to blame juste one side... Charles Marcus wrote on 2011-01-18 19.52: If no one*from the SC* contacted Michael*directly* and took the time to explain the situation to him, then*the SC dropped the ball*. If no one*from the SC* *knew* that Michael was putting so much effort into the Drupal site (because they weren't monitoring the brand new official channels of communication), then*the SC dropped the ball*. Periods. -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] relocating mailing lists at libreoffice.org?
Hi, Christian Lohmaier wrote on 2011-01-19 00.48: We had a similar discussion about where to put the list-archives - back then I suggested global, but the decision at that time did result in using www as realm for those... so why not be consistent with the archives and use l...@www.libreoffice.org (with archives already at http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/l10n/ www sounds rather ugly to me, but if it's just me, then I'm fine with it :) Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice website team inaugural conference call
On 1/20/11 2:45 PM, Michael Wheatland wrote: As far as I can see the next best time would be 1900 (7pm) Friday 21 January. This would also exclude Daniel Stoni as well as Narayan. Sorry guys. Would this suit? If you accept exhausted SC members (speaking over the phone for hours in a foreign language is quite tiring), then yes, this is OK for me. I will mostly listen, but you never know... There are a couple of issues whch have not been completely cleared by mailing list discussions. -- Italo Vignoli - The Document Foundation E-mail: italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org Mobile +39.348.5653829 - VoIP: +39.02.320621813 Skype: italovignoli - GTalk: italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] relocating mailing lists at libreoffice.org?
Hi, Rimas Kudelis wrote on 2011-01-19 16.42: did you ask the community how many of them think it's necessary to give out emails to each and everyone? What was the response? Actually, Sophie has forwarded one of your messages about this to the L10n mailing list, and I wouldn't say the response was very enthusiastic. There was a total of 4 replies, three of which (incl. mine) suggested that automatically providing email addresses to contributors is unnecessary. I was approached privately a few times about that, and we had it in the last public steering conference call. All participants were supporting it, in addition, on several lists, people were heavily interested in these aliases. So, I didn't count, but from my feeling, I would say there is a strong demand. See also the membership discussion we had... So, if there is a consensus that this should be handled on case-by-case basis, then I wonder how problematic it would be to just keep @libreoffice.org lists as they are, while at the same time providing @libreoffice.org emails for some community members. In other words: why do you want a separate mail server first of all? For technical reasons, because it would have a different configuration, and the current server is already under good load, so I don't want it to bear the mail forwarders. No political, solely technical reasons. On the other hand, even if separate servers is the only option, why not just set up the appropriate forwarders for mailing lists? The lists themselves could then be managed by e.g. lists.libreoffice.org, but they would still have proper @openoffice.org addresses. Then it still would affect the same mail server. Technically spoken, only a different MX record is a clean solution. And if I can't convince you about this either, then I'm with Fabian: the lists should be hosted on lists.libreoffice.org. Global just doesn't make sense. As said, lists is already in use by our internal mailman instance, so not available... Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities
On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 14:44 +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote: Empty e-mail? ;) hmm - should have been drew wrote on 2011-01-20 14.43: On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 14:13 +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote: on what we all want to achieve... +1 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: RE : Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice website team inaugural conference call
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Not me, but then i'm not the only one to ask. Another day? Charles. I have re-opened the poll. Please revisit Doodle to update your availability times. http://doodle.com/wzy78i52av4h6din -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities
:-) drew wrote on 2011-01-20 14.54: On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 14:44 +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote: Empty e-mail? ;) hmm - should have been drew wrote on 2011-01-20 14.43: +1 -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: RE : Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice website team inaugural conference call
On 1/20/11 2:54 PM, Michael Wheatland wrote: I have re-opened the poll. Please revisit Doodle to update your availability times. http://doodle.com/wzy78i52av4h6din Thanks Michael, very much appreciated on my side -- Italo Vignoli - The Document Foundation E-mail: italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org Mobile +39.348.5653829 - VoIP: +39.02.320621813 Skype: italovignoli - GTalk: italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] relocating mailing lists at libreoffice.org?
2011.01.20 15:51, Florian Effenberger rašė: Rimas Kudelis wrote on 2011-01-19 16.42: And if I can't convince you about this either, then I'm with Fabian: the lists should be hosted on lists.libreoffice.org. Global just doesn't make sense. As said, lists is already in use by our internal mailman instance, so not available... Oh, right, I remember something... But: you're speaking as if that were set in stone. If @libreoffice.org lists can be moved around, then why can't the same apply to @lists.libreoffice.org? I was about to suggest simply merging the two mailman instances, but then I remembered that @libreoffice.org lists don't use mailman. In that case: if those lists are internal, why can't they be moved to @lists.documentfoundation.org or @internal.documentfoundation.org or whatever? Rimas -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
RE: RE : Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice website team inaugural conference call
Hi all, Can someone tell me what's the process for the call? I checked the Doodle site, but there is nothing there... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: RE : Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice website team inaugural conference call
Hi Narayan, :-) I will be updating the info on the website wiki before the call, and will post a link to it on the list here. You can dial in to various numbers, or you can call a Skype user called talkyoo (it works fine for me, and is free). David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: RE : Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice website team inaugural conference call
Hi, Narayan Aras wrote on 2011-01-20 15.33: Can someone tell me what's the process for the call? I checked the Doodle site, but there is nothing there... if we're using Talkyoo (looks like), it'll be the same as for the other conference calls: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings#Dial-in_Details Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] relocating mailing lists at libreoffice.org?
Bernhard Dippold schrieb: Following the mailing list list [1] this would mean: l...@libreoffice.org - l...@global.libreoffice.org us...@libreoffice.org - us...@global.libreoffice.org website@libreoffice.org - webs...@global.libreoffice.org documentat...@libreoffice.org - documentat...@global.libreoffice.org market...@libreoffice.org - market...@global.libreoffice.org des...@libreoffice.org - des...@global.libreoffice.org accessibil...@libreoffice.org - accessibil...@global.libreoffice.org Perhaps this chance might be used to move the LibreOffice related disc...@documentfoundation.org list to @libreoffice.org too? disc...@documentfoundation.org - disc...@global.libreoffice.org (and leave discuss@TDF to discussions about the foundation) Best regards Bernhard +1 I would prefer global. main gives a hierarchically impression to me. Karl-Heinz http://dict.leo.org/ende?lp=endep=Ci4HO3kMAAsearch=hierarchicallytrestr=0x8004 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Localized title attributes for navigation
Hi! It is apparently possible to have at least some of the title attributes within the menu structure localized. Here are some Finnish translations for things I found from the current menu: Within the menu: Go to the X page - Siirry sivulle X Logo in the top left corner: Go to LibreOffice Home Page - Siirry LibreOfficen kotisivulle If there is a way to have these in Finnish under fi.libreoffice.org, we would be very grateful. Thanks, Harri -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice website team inaugural conference call
Hi Michael, I will update the wiki page with the date and time. David, as we discussed, could you please organise the conf call resource with access codes etc and post to the wiki. can you give the address of the page please? Karl-Heinz -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Features screeshots for the website
Hi Mark, On 20/01/2011 15:21, Mark Morin wrote: Ho Sophie, I'm sorry, I already sent the file off before I saw this. If you can telnet into your account and delete that item, I will post the shots on my personal website later in the day. I had pretty much completed the general features that did not already have screen shots and was about half way through the calc section. It's ok, thanks, I've been able to retrieve the file. I'll work on the screen shots tonight. I think next time we should coordinate our work on the wiki, it will be easier for all of us :-) Kind regards Sophie -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Features screenshots for the website
Can you set me up with a password so that I can get into it? TIA Mark On 1/20/2011 11:44 AM, Sophie Gautier wrote: Hi Mark, On 20/01/2011 15:21, Mark Morin wrote: Ho Sophie, I'm sorry, I already sent the file off before I saw this. If you can telnet into your account and delete that item, I will post the shots on my personal website later in the day. I had pretty much completed the general features that did not already have screen shots and was about half way through the calc section. It's ok, thanks, I've been able to retrieve the file. I'll work on the screen shots tonight. I think next time we should coordinate our work on the wiki, it will be easier for all of us :-) Kind regards Sophie -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Re: help with wiki math syntax
Le 20/01/11 12:19, Sophie Gautier a écrit : Hi Sophie, I (or we FR project) need help on writing formulas on the wiki. I've asked for the MathJax extension to be added, but Manuel told me that a LateX framework was already there: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Formula Working on the NLPSolver doc [1], I can't get the formula parsed correctly with the math.../math syntax, for example mathp_2/math should be interpreted in my example, but is not. Could one of you tell me what I'm doing wrong? We have tried HTML syntax or TeX code and it seems we are wrong with both codes. Well I'm not very good in understanding all that, so I'll be happy of any help :) After reading the page in the wikimedia link you gave, I tried playing around with both the Tex and HTML syntax and couldn't get any of them to work either...The HTML syntax is particularly user unfriendly and if you start messing about with sub and sup commands, it ends up screwing up the layout of the rest of the page, aarrggghh :-( Here's hoping someone can help us out. Alex -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Features screenshots for the website
Hi Mark, :-) I just mailed you all you need. ;-) David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] NL site leads - who are you exactly?
Hi David, On 20/01/2011 20:34, David Nelson wrote: Hi, :-) We want to try and establish exactly who is the best contact for each NL site. Who is 'we'? Can you please respond and identify yourselves? Thanks, guys! ;-) We maintain a contact list here http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Language_Teams Kind regards Sophie -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Features screenshots for the website
Thanks On 1/20/2011 12:00 PM, David Nelson wrote: Hi Mark, :-) I just mailed you all you need. ;-) David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities
On 2011-01-20 8:48 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Charles Marcus wrote on 2011-01-18 19.52: If no one*from the SC* contacted Michael*directly* and took the time to explain the situation to him, then*the SC dropped the ball*. If no one*from the SC* *knew* that Michael was putting so much effort into the Drupal site (because they weren't monitoring the brand new official channels of communication), then*the SC dropped the ball*. Periods. Folks, ever thought that for problems, often two sides are responsiblem two parties are involved? It's rather easy to blame juste one side... I did *not* say that there were not two sides, or that Michael was blameless - I said that, *regardless*, since the SC has assumed the *Leadership* position, they *defacto* bear the largest burden of blame for this fiasco (ie, 'dropped the ball'), and I stand by that meaning. snipped a lot of other stuff I wanted to say but realized I've already said it and repeating it just wouldn't be productive Anyway, I'm hopeful from the sounds of things that you all will be able to get past this rough spot in the road and move on. -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Feature description for MATH is wrong
Hi, :-) Thanks for the heads-up. Fixed. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Feature description for MATH is wrong
You're welcome - and thanks to you too. Cheers, Leif Den 20-01-2011 21:52, David Nelson skrev: Hi, :-) Thanks for the heads-up. Fixed. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: help with wiki math syntax
Alexander Thurgood wrote: After reading the page in the wikimedia link you gave, I tried playing around with both the Tex and HTML syntax and couldn't get any of them to work either.. Confirmed - are we sure that this extension is properly configured? Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Localized title attributes for navigation
Hi Harri, *, 2011/1/20 Harri Pitkänen hatap...@iki.fi: Within the menu: Go to the X page - Siirry sivulle X Logo in the top left corner: Go to LibreOffice Home Page - Siirry LibreOfficen kotisivulle Oh, it actually was a mistake that the homepage one does use a different string - this wasn't planned, thus I changed it to the same string as the other navigation titles. Please check. ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 3:22 AM, Charles Marcus cmar...@media-brokers.com wrote: On 2011-01-20 8:48 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Charles Marcus wrote on 2011-01-18 19.52: If no one*from the SC* contacted Michael*directly* and took the time to explain the situation to him, then*the SC dropped the ball*. If no one*from the SC* *knew* that Michael was putting so much effort into the Drupal site (because they weren't monitoring the brand new official channels of communication), then*the SC dropped the ball*. Periods. Folks, ever thought that for problems, often two sides are responsiblem two parties are involved? It's rather easy to blame juste one side... I did *not* say that there were not two sides, or that Michael was blameless - I said that, *regardless*, since the SC has assumed the *Leadership* position, they *defacto* bear the largest burden of blame for this fiasco (ie, 'dropped the ball'), and I stand by that meaning. snipped a lot of other stuff I wanted to say but realized I've already said it and repeating it just wouldn't be productive Anyway, I'm hopeful from the sounds of things that you all will be able to get past this rough spot in the road and move on. Best regards, Charles Regardless of any of this, I believe that the situation is very salvageable. I hope this will be done at the Conference call very soon. I encourage you all to attend the call. We are all working as one community, I believe these are simply misunderstandings and communication issues rather than differences of opinion. Mike -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice website team inaugural conference call
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 1:45 AM, Karl-Heinz Gödderz libreoff...@gukk-online.de wrote: Hi Michael, I will update the wiki page with the date and time. David, as we discussed, could you please organise the conf call resource with access codes etc and post to the wiki. can you give the address of the page please? Karl-Heinz You can update your availability here: http://doodle.com/wzy78i52av4h6din There was a clash as the best time available was exactly the same time as the SC meeting. I am guessing the meeting will be mid next week looking at the updated availability times. If everyone could update your times we can get the ball rolling again. Thanks all, Mike -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: new features page ...
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 3:41 AM, Charles Marcus cmar...@media-brokers.com wrote: On 2011-01-17 8:39 AM, David Nelson wrote: But I see a chance to bring him back into the mainstream of the project by encouraging him (and his Drupal boys) to take a leading role in the development of the SilverStripe website as a superb communications and marketing tool for Libreoffice and TDF. I also think that, if Michael were so inclined, Drupal could initially serve as the 'support' backend, with its potential for integrating all of the different support modes (email lists, forums and newsgroups)... this would give it the opportunity to 'prove' itself (personally, I have no idea if Drupal can even truly achieve this, much less is preferable over Silverstripe)... I can still be there to play an assistive role in the wings, with some great ideas, too. But Michael could take on the main written content development role, working in close symbiosis with Christoph and Ivan. I feel they will have a close empathy and an excellent working relationship. I feel that this is a novel and creative solution to what could otherwise become a conflictual and unproductive situation. We will all win. Most important of all, LIBREOFFICE and TDF will win. What do you think? I am including Michael in this mail, and I want to hear his feelings on this. I think its a great idea if Michael is willing to take it on... Best regards, Charles Charles, I like the idea, but I think it is worth waiting for the conference call to discuss. This is achievable, however it will take some time setting up and configuring, and in the same time we could have all the same functionality as the existing site on one unified system, allowing us to automatically manage all of the cross links between the systems. We might end up creating a monster that we need to manually manage. I will look into the possibilities prior to the meeting. Again, it is a great idea. I will add it to the agenda for the Conference Call. Thanks, Mike Wheatland -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: new features page ...
Hi! Since Christian already jumped in for the technical stuff ... let's focus on the UX part :-) Am Dienstag, den 18.01.2011, 12:15 + schrieb Michael Meeks: [...] http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/O-PELAb4LD61S9RPTFIW8Q?feat=directlink Ok - it is a nice graphic. Unfortunately, not all our features are graphical in any way. More familiar keybindings eg. ;-) do you think your layout works well for that ? Also - who is going to provide this extra body text (in addition to the short description ?). Everybody is free to add some text here. I would even appreciate, if the developer teams (devs, QA, ...) would have something they use anyway. For example, we've created: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Printerpullpages#Summary And by the way, isn't this also a new feature for LibO 3.3? Concerning the graphics - you are right that some features are not graphical. But since you want to address the people to quickly go through a list, a picture helps. If nothing suits well, then it may be possible ... * join some feature descriptions that fit together * use a placeholder graphic / handmade graphic (Design Team?) * add these features at the bottom of each category (full width) Second iteration done ;-) [...] All but the last category should only present a few improvements to avoid boring people to death ;-) Pre-prioritizing helps them to quickly decide yes, that's worth to download. Let's say 3 ... 5 items per category like Writer. And, one highlight item (e.g. More familiar keyboard shortcuts) might sum up some individual features (by the way, more familiar to whom ...). *but* here is the problem - we need someone to do this prioritisation work. Thus far, I did some fixing and better ordering of the categories, clearer explanation, and slightly better prioritisation of the data, but it needs more work. I think Sophie worked on something like that evolved within the FR community - as far as I know. [...] funOf course, there is a need to include that great new printing dialog [2] - whoever helped to shape that./fun Oh - did we miss some key features ? [ that seems highly probable ], if so what ? again we need the work put into the list there I guess. Well, it depends if this list is LibO unique, or if OOo features may be added as well. Since I've did the most of the UX work, it would be somehow inbetween ;-) If yes, I can try to provide something... Ah, so he is the one to prepare for a huge mail with feedback [3] to keep him busy ;-) Caolan is plenty busy. I know, good people are always busy. Just wondering why I seem to have that much time to write emails ;-))) Of course, I'd love to have the relevant files linked as well, so people can try that out quickly ( cf. the obsolete http://go-oo.org/discover ); IMHO that adds a lot. Mmh, seems that this list already considers a lot of my suggestions above ;-) Cool page! Glad you like it; the discover page was created by applying pure common-sense by developers. That's good to know ... but I assume that there have been some iterations until the page was finally made up. I hope we will come to a state, that more people step in and apply their common-sense. [...] Last thing: Could you please keep the New Features (New Highlights) in one place - currently it appears under Download - New Features, and Features - New Features. Clicking on the latter jumps between different categories - without the user's intention. So - I appreciate these jumps are ugly, and I asked expressly for this myself and David kindly added one. We already had one for the Developers tab - it was a personal requirement that we have a top-level 'Development' tab. I know, the second time already :-) Here is the reason for this jump: I won't bore you with a great long user scenario - but existing OO.o users will hit the site, and -before- downloading, will want to know what new features they will get: as in why bother. As I stated earlier, you requested to retrieve the information quickly - but it might be something different in terms of solution. Which tab will they hit ? - they are interested in Features - they hit that; and immediately get presented with a long (and lovely) blurb about things they already know about suitable for new users but not them. Adding the New Features link - (personally I would have had it on the left of 'Writer' since I believe it is far more interesting to most people), allows them to find what they are looking for. Do you disagree with the user scenario or use-case ? No, just fine! Of course; we have another user scenario, of people who are signed up for LibreOffice, and wish to post-rationalise their decision while they download, explaining the existing location: this is also a common use case I suspect. So - I am not a UX guy, but I'd like
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice website team inaugural conference call
Hi David, all, even if this mail contains many very good thoughts and descriptions of the way to go on, I'd like to shorten it. If someone has not read this mail en detail, I'd ask you to have a look at the archives: David Nelson schrieb: Hi, :-) [...] We are going to have to establish exactly where the role of the website team really starts and ends. It's going to be important to remember that the website team is there to service the LibreOffice project's website needs, and that it is not there to become a separate community by itself, nor to take on the roles of other areas of the project such as marketing and SC/BoD policy-making. +1 People who want to influence those areas of the project are going to have to actively involve themselves in those particular teams. As the website is one of the most important marketing areas for LibreOffice, you mentioned in one of your very first mails to this list, that interaction with marketing experts is crucial. Same for UX and other central areas of the entire LibreOffice community: Involvement of the expertise from the different teams is important for the quality of our website and for the goals the entire community wants to reach by this window to the outer world. Exactly as you wrote here: [...] Meritocracy and overall consensus will have to be respected. Patience and a degree of far-sightedness will be necessary, as will the ability to accept compromise. Adhesion to the LibreOffice project's overall goals is needed from every member if we are to be part of a peaceful, successful community. I think the entire community can follow these phrases. If we manage to take this point as start for the new website team and leave the negative experiences behind, I'm sure that the result will lead to a community driven website with the highest possible quality and the most impact inside the community and outside in public perception. But I do believe that we can arrive at solutions that take account of reasonable wishes and ambitions. +1 All the above is my personal 2 cents. I don't count in money - but it's very valuable! Thank you, David! Best regards Bernhard PS: Even if I'll be short in time next week, so I probably can't follow the confcall - in my eyes it would be a good idea to find a time where all the four people dedicated by the SC could join. This would allow the different aspects of the website to be discussed directly without the problem of misunderstandings on a mailing list. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Features screenshots for the website
Thank you. I should have set up an account when the link was first posted (I suppose I have it archived somewhere but finding it is a different issue). I didn't think that there was any way that I would be able to contribute. David managed to set up an account for me and I will be uploading my graphics shortly. I don't know if I will have time tonight to work on any more but will get to it tomorrow or over the weekend. This time I will check the wiki first so as not to duplicate efforts mark On 01/20/2011 07:44 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Mark, Sophie wanted to point you to the wiki... Mark Morin schrieb: Can you set me up with a password so that I can get into it? You can just set up your user account on the wiki: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=Special:UserLoginuselang=entype=signupreturnto=Main_Page After logging in, you can edit wiki pages and upload files everybody can reach there. HTH Bernhard TIA Mark On 1/20/2011 11:44 AM, Sophie Gautier wrote: [...] I think next time we should coordinate our work on the wiki, it will be easier for all of us :-) Kind regards Sophie -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Localized title attributes for navigation
Hi! On Thursday 20 January 2011, Christian Lohmaier wrote: Oh, it actually was a mistake that the homepage one does use a different string - this wasn't planned, thus I changed it to the same string as the other navigation titles. Please check. The titles are correct now. Thanks! Harri -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Release Date not in the RN page
Hi Sophie, :-) Done. I'll leave you to close the bug report then. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities
Hi Mike, all, :-) Regardless of any of this, I believe that the situation is very salvageable. I hope this will be done at the Conference call very soon. Yes, I think it will be good for us all to have a good talk, and look at everyone's ideas. I am absolutely certain that, if we all contribute a little flexibility and open-mindedness, we are going to find new ways to approach and handle certain things. I am also sure that we are *all* going to come out of this wiser than before, and that the end result is going to be a success: a bigger team, united in a brooad consensus, doing productive work to promote a project we all care about. I encourage you all to attend the call. We are all working as one community, I believe these are simply misunderstandings and communication issues rather than differences of opinion. I think so, too. I can tell you that, speaking for myself, I have been brought to change my perceptions about certain things. Changing my mindset helped me find answers to problems - both problems that were real, and things that were only really perceived problems. I see that a lot of people plan to be there at the confcall next week, which is perfect. I think it's going to be an interesting and productive discussion. There were a few things that Michael Meeks said in a recent thread that are worth thinking about in the meantime: So, first - I think it is worth saying that conflict is normal; -and- it is particularly normal in teams that are just changed / formed. A so-called Forming / Storming / Norming / Performing phase change :-) it would be nice to skip stage two, and three - and jump to stage four - but its not going to happen. So - what do we do ? in stage two we have to bear with each other, not burn bridges, communicate clearly (preferably not by e-mail - which is no way to resolve conflict), and there is some level of learning and teeth gritting by all required. I think there's a lot of sense in what he wrote. Meanwhile, before the confcall, there's quite a bit of work we could usefully get started on as regards the current content on the libreoffice.org site, which it would be great to get done before the 3.3 release, and I'm going to go fire up a fresh thread and post about that. :-) David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] How to avoid a pressure cooker situation in the meeting
Hi Mike, David, all- The agenda has 10 topics. Too many for a 1 hour session. (http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/ConfCall/Agenda). We will have only 5 minutes to settle each topic. The discussions will not be conclusive in this pressure cooker situation. Then we will come to the storm (or fission) stage even before we realize! :) Having a series of calls is not feasible, as that approach needs a lot of time. Besides, we are finding it difficult to set up this FIRST call itself. So setting up so many calls till we trash out all issues is virtually impossible. Therefore, it is best to settle at least the fundamental differences offline. That leaves the main meeting to settle finer details, and to ratify what was agreed offline. Assuming that we agree to use an offline tool to argue our case, the next question is which tool? Well, the simplest tool (which is also readily available) is a wiki discussion page. However, it cannot handle counterarguments that have to be attached to a specific part of someone else's statement. Also, when in a multi-person argument, it would quickly become confusing who is opposing whose views fully/party/conditionally. In other words, it cannot create an argument map properly. (Which is the need of the hour). A concept map does that extremely well. Another advantage of a Concept map is that it also allows us to split a larger issue, and discuss the parts separately and then combine the conclusions again. Concept map also allows us to interrelate different streams of arguments as the plot gets larger with more and more arguments added. Note that no other tool is good at this. Therefore I suggest using a concept map tool like CMAP, Freemind, graphmind. or even brainstorm. Someone will need to set up this tool temporarily. What do you think? If you have any doubt, we could try out one (contentious) topic on a wiki discussion page. Regards, Narayan Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 08:11:33 +0930 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: new features page ... From: mich...@wheatland.com.au To: website@libreoffice.org On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 3:41 AM, Charles Marcus cmar...@media-brokers.com wrote: On 2011-01-17 8:39 AM, David Nelson wrote: But I see a chance to bring him back into the mainstream of the project by encouraging him (and his Drupal boys) to take a leading role in the development of the SilverStripe website as a superb communications and marketing tool for Libreoffice and TDF. I also think that, if Michael were so inclined, Drupal could initially serve as the 'support' backend, with its potential for integrating all of the different support modes (email lists, forums and newsgroups)... this would give it the opportunity to 'prove' itself (personally, I have no idea if Drupal can even truly achieve this, much less is preferable over Silverstripe)... I can still be there to play an assistive role in the wings, with some great ideas, too. But Michael could take on the main written content development role, working in close symbiosis with Christoph and Ivan. I feel they will have a close empathy and an excellent working relationship. I feel that this is a novel and creative solution to what could otherwise become a conflictual and unproductive situation. We will all win. Most important of all, LIBREOFFICE and TDF will win. What do you think? I am including Michael in this mail, and I want to hear his feelings on this. I think its a great idea if Michael is willing to take it on... Best regards, Charles Charles, I like the idea, but I think it is worth waiting for the conference call to discuss. This is achievable, however it will take some time setting up and configuring, and in the same time we could have all the same functionality as the existing site on one unified system, allowing us to automatically manage all of the cross links between the systems. We might end up creating a monster that we need to manually manage. I will look into the possibilities prior to the meeting. Again, it is a great idea. I will add it to the agenda for the Conference Call. Thanks, Mike Wheatland -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
