[libreoffice-website] Pre-release - Note
Hi David, thanks for correction. Maybe we should show the download link of the pre-release in get-involved - QA in a more highlighted way?! Maybe in a new sentence? -- Grüße k-j -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: US marketing mailing list on website
Hi Marc, Am 14.02.2011 04:39, schrieb Marc Paré: Le 2011-02-13 19:51, David Nelson a écrit : All the global lists are on the website, and all the local/regional lists are on the wiki because that list tends to be updated more often. Hmmm, if we are looking for members to join the US marketing team, which is one of the top priorities of the TDF and Italo, I don't think that leaving it off the website is a good idea. It adds confusion when they join the marketing team only to find that they should have joined the US marketing team. Can we have it show at least in the Marketing page of the LibreOffice website? I don´t think, that this is a good idea. This would create the impression, that LibreOffice is a global project with special focus on North America. But we do not want to create such a wrong impression. We are dedicated to all regions of the world basically with the same devotion. Therefore, I suggest to remove the pointer to the special US mailing list. IMO, there is nothing against a general pointer to a webpage or wikipage with *all* regional/local contact points and mailing lists for marketing. Thanks, Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: US marketing mailing list on website
Hi Marc, David, sorry for the break, but: Am 14.02.2011 04:39, schrieb Marc Paré: Le 2011-02-13 19:51, David Nelson a écrit : Hi Marc, Drew, :-) All the global lists are on the website, and all the local/regional lists are on the wiki because that list tends to be updated more often. David Nelson Hmmm, if we are looking for members to join the US marketing team, which is one of the top priorities of the TDF and Italo Is it really the *US* marketing team, which is one of the top priorities of the TDF? Or is it the marketing team with the single national teams? , I don't think that leaving it off the website is a good idea. It adds confusion when they join the marketing team only to find that they should have joined the US marketing team. Can we have it show at least in the Marketing page of the LibreOffice website? We are only about 15 members servicing close to 300 million potential users. We really need to make it easy for US and Canadian users to join the team if we are going to make any headway. The website [1] is an international site and not a north american. What's about the british, australian (all english speakers), spanish, french, brazilian, german, chinese and all the others marketers (much more potential users)? Or have the northamerican marketers more potential and financial power than others? -- Grüße k-j [1] www.libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: US marketing mailing list on website
Am 14.02.2011 04:39, schrieb Marc Paré: Le 2011-02-13 19:51, David Nelson a écrit : Hi Marc, Drew, :-) All the global lists are on the website, and all the local/regional lists are on the wiki because that list tends to be updated more often. David Nelson Hmmm, if we are looking for members to join the US marketing team, which is one of the top priorities of the TDF and Italo, I don't think that leaving it off the website is a good idea. It adds confusion when they join the marketing team only to find that they should have joined the US marketing team. Can we have it show at least in the Marketing page of the LibreOffice website? We are only about 15 members servicing close to 300 million potential users. We really need to make it easy for US and Canadian users to join the team if we are going to make any headway. Cheers Marc With this argument I think it would be better to link to the chinese marketing project there are at least 1,500 million potential users. Regards Karl-Heinz -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: US marketing mailing list on website
Hi, 2011/2/14 David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz: Does this look OK? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/marketers/ Not to me. The page you put this on is for the global project, so please do not *any* regional or lingual part there. My 2 Eur Volker -- ++ Volker Merschmann - ODF-Software Contributor -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: US marketing mailing list on website
Sorry, sent too quick. Two words were missing. 2011/2/14 Volker Merschmann merschm...@gmail.com: 2011/2/14 David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz: Does this look OK? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/marketers/ Not to me. The page you put this on is for the global project, so please do not point to *any* regional or lingual part there. My 2 Eur Volker -- ++ Volker Merschmann - ODF-Software Contributor -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: US marketing mailing list on website
Hi, 2011/2/14 David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz: Well, this *is* the English NL site, so I didn't see a problem myself. Have a discussion about it, guys, and then one of you mail me a heads-up when you all took a decision, and I'll make any necessary change So, Marc? Drew? NL English speakers? NL-sites are listed at http://www.libreoffice.org/international-sites/ Volker -- ++ Volker Merschmann - ODF-Software Contributor -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: US marketing mailing list on website
Hi, :-) On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 19:11, Volker Merschmann merschm...@gmail.com wrote: NL-sites are listed at http://www.libreoffice.org/international-sites/ We English speakers are second-class citizens then? I'm outta here. :-D David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: US marketing mailing list on website
On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 19:06 +0800, David Nelson wrote: Hi, :-) Well, this *is* the English NL site, so I didn't see a problem myself. Have a discussion about it, guys, and then one of you mail me a heads-up when you all took a decision, and I'll make any necessary change So, Marc? Drew? NL English speakers? Look at the strength of the response and compare - thee are whole separate web sites for the NL teams - and this was one link to a mailing list.. Give it up David you can't win this one. No way, no how, can you win - it is a fact you will need to accept if you want to work with the others here. //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: US marketing mailing list on website
Hi, :-) Italo has spoken, and he's an SC member involved with marketing. So, as far as I'm concerned, the link can stay. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] RC on the download page
Christian Lohmaier wrote: The Linux 32-bit .deb link shows null instead of a download package. Thorsten? Christian? Reason is simple: There just are no 32-bit deb links. compare with http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/testing/3.3.1-rc1/deb/ Fixed now. The way the download pages are generated needs to be reworked anyway, i.e. store the list in the database and use a corresponding query to get the results... Right, was a bit pressed for time on Friday - just did the change on the server, with that DownloadTestingPage.php/ss - rather a stop-gap solution not in the repo or something. Sorry if this is causing any issues. Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: US marketing mailing list on website
On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 12:32 +0100, Stefan Weigel wrote: Hi David, Am 14.02.2011 12:06, schrieb David Nelson: Well, this *is* the English NL site Sorry, but no, it is not. It is the main site. It is the overall global site. Yes, its written in English. But it addresses *all* the world and *every* language. http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/marketers/ is meant for everybody who does not find elsewhere a marketing team in his/her native language. A somewhat lame argument - others find the localized marketing efforts on the native language lists and in the groups that form on those lists. //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: US marketing mailing list on website
On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 07:07 -0500, drew wrote: On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 12:32 +0100, Stefan Weigel wrote: Hi David, Am 14.02.2011 12:06, schrieb David Nelson: Well, this *is* the English NL site Sorry, but no, it is not. It is the main site. It is the overall global site. Yes, its written in English. But it addresses *all* the world and *every* language. http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/marketers/ is meant for everybody who does not find elsewhere a marketing team in his/her native language. A somewhat lame argument - others find the localized marketing efforts on the native language lists and in the groups that form on those lists. But I want to add one more comment - and perhaps this is the most important. Being on a true native language and/or region based list is more then just an address change, it is a different attitude - on the international lists one is always less familial. One anecdotal example: On the international lists Florian is Florian on the De lists he is Flo. Which is IMO how human nature works. That is not, I suppose, of issue with regards to a link from what is correctly described as the International site. The only problem IMO is that there are not lists for au or a nz or uk or some grouping of those. Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: US marketing mailing list on website
Hi Italo, Am 14.02.2011 12:12, schrieb Italo Vignoli: On 2/14/11 11:42 AM, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote: Is it really the *US* marketing team, which is one of the top priorities of the TDF? Or is it the marketing team with the single national teams? The US marketing team is a top priority for North America, which is a key market. There is a reason behind this priority: getting visibility in the US brings a better visibility in other geographies, as many US articles are translated into local languages (the single eWeek article after the launch has been published in several European countries in the local language, without any additional effort on our side). Most large publishers are based in the US. Even articles published in UK are not translated into other languages as much as articles published in the US (being both in English). What's about the british, australian (all english speakers), spanish, french, brazilian, german, chinese and all the others marketers (much more potential users)? UK gets many US articles re-published on US web sites. Communities in other geographies are already better organized than in the US, with the exception of the Spanish community, which is a mess for the same reason (one single community for a language like Spanish does not make sense, as a single community for a language like English). Marketing in the US brings in visibility in other markets, but not vice versa, and therefore is a priority. Marketing in other geographies is easier, also because the US are the home market for Microsoft. I hope this explains the issue. Yes it explains the issue for itself, thanks for it. And if the whole SC agree with it, it will be ok for me in this case. But: for me (and some others) it is a precedence. If you do it in this case without a transparent discussion, defined section and a community/SC desicion, the same will happen in other cases. And with the same arguments the international site will get an us site with an international attachment. And then the parity of the NLs will get lost. In any case, I think that for the first few months we should have as many informations as these ones - helping newcomers to understand where they should go - on the web site. Many users have never heard about wikis, and will never look for infos inside a wiki. This isn't an argument (except the us-marketer are quite more stupid than all the other people around the world). The same with QA, testing, design etc and our daily LibreOffice-work. It is only an argument for changing our whole work from wiki and mailing lists to something else. And that isn't my purpose. -- Grüße k-j -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: US marketing mailing list on website
On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 13:27 +0100, Stefan Weigel wrote: Hi Drew, Am 14.02.2011 13:07, schrieb drew: http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/marketers/ is meant for everybody who does not find elsewhere a marketing team in his/her native language. A somewhat lame argument - others find the localized marketing efforts on the native language lists and in the groups that form on those lists. Exactly. And what about the mass of people, who speak a language for which no language list or marketing team exists? It´s exactly these people, who we want to serve with the main/global/international site. Are they supposed to find a primary point of contact in the USA? Again, IMO, the main site http://www.libreoffice.org must be neutral with respect to countries or languages. If one likes to see a special site for the USA, well here it is: http://us.libreoffice.org. *chuckling*...cool, when we start altering the site I wonder? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: US marketing mailing list on website
I am not the pope, though, so it is better to get more opinions on this specific subject. It should be added that marketing discussions in smaller geographies usually happen inside the more general discuss@ mailing list, as it happens - for instance - for Italy, so a specific marketing list might be redundant. I feel that English and Spanish are a specific case, and should be handled as such at global level. Ciao, Italo Italo Vignoli mob +39 (348) 5653829 email it...@italovignoli.com skype italovignoli On 14/feb/2011, at 12:35, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote: Hi, :-) Italo has spoken, and he's an SC member involved with marketing. So, as far as I'm concerned, the link can stay. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: US marketing mailing list on website
On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 11:27 +, Matt Sturgeon wrote: Why does English speakers have to be associated with the US? Should it not be the English marketing team, rather than the US marketing team? NO - it should not. But then the US list is not intended for all English speakers, or even only English speakers fro that matter. It is based on geography. If you are suggesting the need for an English NL group then I would certainly agree with that, but it would still need IMO separate lists for regions. Sincerely, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] RC on the download page
Hi Thorsten, On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Christian Lohmaier wrote: The Linux 32-bit .deb link shows null instead of a download package. Thorsten? Christian? Reason is simple: There just are no 32-bit deb links. compare with http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/testing/3.3.1-rc1/deb/ Fixed now. The way the download pages are generated needs to be reworked anyway, i.e. store the list in the database and use a corresponding query to get the results... Right, was a bit pressed for time on Friday - just did the change on the server, with that DownloadTestingPage.php/ss - rather a stop-gap solution not in the repo or something. Sorry if this is causing any issues. Oh no, didn't want to imply that, sorry if I made that impression - I'm glad you took the initiative and went ahead. Better a solution that works when needed than a solution that is nicely done bot takes weeks to get online :-) After all that the code of the download page is that ugly as it is now is my fault :-) ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Re: US marketing mailing list on website
Le 2011-02-14 07:36, drew a écrit : On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 13:27 +0100, Stefan Weigel wrote: Hi Drew, Am 14.02.2011 13:07, schrieb drew: http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/marketers/ is meant for everybody who does not find elsewhere a marketing team in his/her native language. A somewhat lame argument - others find the localized marketing efforts on the native language lists and in the groups that form on those lists. Exactly. And what about the mass of people, who speak a language for which no language list or marketing team exists? It´s exactly these people, who we want to serve with the main/global/international site. Are they supposed to find a primary point of contact in the USA? Again, IMO, the main site http://www.libreoffice.org must be neutral with respect to countries or languages. If one likes to see a special site for the USA, well here it is: http://us.libreoffice.org. *chuckling*...cool, when we start altering the site I wonder? Hey! No fair. The site is not listed on the International sites page! Can we really develop these pages. BTW ... I would like Canada on this page too. Or can we also have a site also? We are a bilingual country and would need a French version as well. Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: US marketing mailing list on website
Hi Marc, *, On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2011-02-14 07:36, drew a écrit : On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 13:27 +0100, Stefan Weigel wrote: [...] Again, IMO, the main site http://www.libreoffice.org must be neutral with respect to countries or languages. If one likes to see a special site for the USA, well here it is: http://us.libreoffice.org. *chuckling*...cool, when we start altering the site I wonder? Hey! No fair. The site is not listed on the International sites page! Because that is no international/seperate site to begin with. It is just an alias, any non-existing domain gets mapped to the www.libreoffice.org site. That the DNS entry exists, is only because of the old list-archives that were available at us.libreoffice.org/lists/listname Can we really develop these pages. BTW ... I would like Canada on this page too. Or can we also have a site also? We are a bilingual country and would need a French version as well. Well, IMHO it is still preferable to not have (global) pages for a specific region, but rather have subjections of the corresponding project where a regional stuff matters. (i.e mainly (only?) marketing) ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Re: US marketing mailing list on website
Le 2011-02-13 15:36, Marc Paré a écrit : I know it must be me ... but ... where can I find the mailing list coordinates for the US Marketing mailing list. I wanted to refer a user to the section of the website so that he could subscribe to the mailist but could not find it. Is it still listed on the website? Cheers Marc After reading all of the arguments, of which I have to say that I agree with most of you who argue that the US marketing list should not be on the international list, I would like to propose that the US get their own site as suggested here: http://us.libreoffice.org/ If the US members all agree we could then get together and develop the US site and the marketing link will be put on this site. Drew and other US members, would you agree to this? I would also propose then, that there also be a Canadian site added: http://ca.libreoffice.org for Canadians. Would any other Canadian members agree to this? This would then solve all of the problems associated with listing the US marketing group on the international site. People, please consider that, up until today, there was NO US.Libreoffice.org site listed anywhere and that we had been instructed by the SC that the US marketing effort was one of the priorities set for the North American membership. As such, there was NO mention of the US Marketing team anywhere and this was causing problems for the US marketing team ... btw ... of which Canada serves as junior partner. Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: US marketing mailing list on website
I am using a smartphone, so replying in the proper way is not easy, but I'll try. On 14/feb/2011, at 13:30, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol o...@sophia-louise.de wrote: Many users have never heard about wikis, and will never look for infos inside a wiki. This isn't an argument (except the us-marketer are quite more stupid than all the other people around the world). The same with QA, testing, design etc and our daily LibreOffice-work. It is only an argument for changing our whole work from wiki and mailing lists to something else. And that isn't my purpose. I have talked about users, and not about the way we - as project members - work. Users will not look for informations inside a wiki, and any volunteer starts from the user POV (maybe developers are different). Let's also add that a website in English does not serve at all - for instance - most Italian native speakers, who will close the page before even trying to search for IT. The same applies to many other geographies. So, in a sense, the website is already serving better English native speakers than native speakers of any other language (maybe, Dutch and Nordic are exceptions, as they are usually fluent in English). Anyway, a transparent discussion about the US marketing list has already happened, when I have asked for it (please note that I'm Italian - as my first name says - and I live and work in Italy). I would support any other request for an English or Spanish local marketing list, because it just makes sense (and I would read the list to help: I can read also French and Portuguese). I hope this explains better. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Re: US marketing mailing list on website
Hi Christian: Le 2011-02-14 08:37, Christian Lohmaier a écrit : Because that is no international/seperate site to begin with. It is just an alias, any non-existing domain gets mapped to the www.libreoffice.org site. That the DNS entry exists, is only because of the old list-archives that were available at us.libreoffice.org/lists/listname I was wondering why the: http://ca.libreoffice.org does not behave the same way? Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: US marketing mailing list on website
I am info agreement. Dave Johnson On Feb 14, 2011 7:42 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2011-02-13 15:36, Marc Paré a écrit : I know it must be me ... but ... where can I find the mailing list coordinates for the US Mar... After reading all of the arguments, of which I have to say that I agree with most of you who argue that the US marketing list should not be on the international list, I would like to propose that the US get their own site as suggested here: http://us.libreoffice.org/ If the US members all agree we could then get together and develop the US site and the marketing link will be put on this site. Drew and other US members, would you agree to this? I would also propose then, that there also be a Canadian site added: http://ca.libreoffice.org for Canadians. Would any other Canadian members agree to this? This would then solve all of the problems associated with listing the US marketing group on the international site. People, please consider that, up until today, there was NO US.Libreoffice.org site listed anywhere and that we had been instructed by the SC that the US marketing effort was one of the priorities set for the North American membership. As such, there was NO mention of the US Marketing team anywhere and this was causing problems for the US marketing team ... btw ... of which Canada serves as junior partner. Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: ... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Re: US marketing mailing list on website
Le 2011-02-14 08:51, Christian Lohmaier a écrit : Hi Marc, *, On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Marc Parém...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2011-02-14 08:37, Christian Lohmaier a écrit : Because that is no international/seperate site to begin with. It is just an alias, any non-existing domain gets mapped to the www.libreoffice.org site. That the DNS entry exists, is only because of the old list-archives that were available at us.libreoffice.org/lists/listname I was wondering why the: http://ca.libreoffice.org does not behave the same way? Because you didn't read carefully enough? It is because no DNS entry exists for ca. Ah! Got it. I just assumed that any XX.libreoffice.org would be redirected. Sorry. And as written before: I think it is a bad idea to have regional top-level domains, as while you need to do local/regional marketing work, you should still keep track of the global marketing efforts, closely work together with the groups of other regions, thus regional marketing sub-groups make much more sense IMHO. Maybe its just me, but I am just confused as to what you mean, sorry. Do you mean that it is a bad idea to have, for example, us.libreoffice.org site, because we (North Americans), even though we need to work on our US marketing efforts we should still keep track of global marketing work -- which we do already, as well as work with other local marketing teams? Just wondering if this is what you mean. ciao Christian Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: US marketing mailing list on website
Hi Italo, *, Italo Vignoli schrieb: The US marketing team is a top priority for North America, which is a key market. There is a reason behind this priority: getting visibility in the US brings a better visibility in other geographies, as many US articles are translated into local languages (the single eWeek article after the launch has been published in several European countries in the local language, without any additional effort on our side). I'm with You beeing glad to see US-American activities in this project, and - no question - we should breed that little plant carefully. Concerns are about the way the website change *again* happened here. I remember an early discussion in which it was pointed out, that marketing is a matter not only of the language but rather strongly of the target *region*. If the US are a leading market affecting other markets I'd assume the Change in question is not a very effective means to take account of that fact. I wonder whether this is the final result of a genuine discussion. Can You point me where it took place? I'd expect a more refined result from our (global) marketing team. ;o)) [.. more good reasons for estimating the US as leading market for LibreOffice ..] Marketing in the US brings in visibility in other markets, but not vice versa, and therefore is a priority. Marketing in other geographies is easier, also because the US are the home market for Microsoft. I hope this explains the issue. It explains why You propose to estimate the US market playing a special role, but it doesn't explain, why *that* action was choosen! :o)) In any case, I think that for the first few months we should have as many informations as these ones - helping newcomers to understand where they should go - on the web site. agreed exccluding as these ones and the first few months. If Your above sentence was: modified In any case, I think that we should have as many informations helping newcomers to understand where they should go - on the web site. /modified I'm very shure no objections came up ;o))). Many users have never heard about wikis, and will never look for infos inside a wiki. That sounds funny and I think this is a very particular issue of the US market and should be handled on the US only marketing site ;o)). Again: I agree with You, that we should take care for that plantlet. But I expect better results doing so in a common effort. Gruß/regards -- Friedrich Libreoffice-Box http://libreofficebox.org/ LibreOffice and more on CD/DVD images (german version already started) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Long pages should broken up into smaller slides/pages
Ok, since a picture speaks a thousand words, I decided to mockup my vision. http://www.filefactory.com/file/b567dg2/n/mockup1.png It's about splitting up the page into manageable chunks, that are visually intuitive. Hopefully you can criticize the idea to improve, or reform, it's basic foundation. On 14 February 2011 09:55, Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com wrote: Hi guys, So - first it is important to realise that (as expected) this new features web-page is the #2 most read page on the site, after the Download page. So - whatever we do, it needs to be: a) highly polished and b) present as much 'wow' as possible in as little space as possible On Sun, 2011-02-13 at 03:22 +0100, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Basically - make it lots of smaller pages. Basically: Yes. So - IMHO the lots of little pages idea is a disaster for loosing user interest; the latency of loading a new page, and/or the UI complexity (imagine eg. a mobile phone device and the disaster of tab switching and the multi-second page load latency) is problematic here. We need to work on most of the pages to reduce the amount of text and add more graphical content. This I agree with. IMHO - we should separate the information on the page into two strands: * features that are distinctive to LibreOffice + this still will remain static / un-changed and only grow and/or require minor edits over time I think. * new features in the latest release Now - of course, this interacts with our Bandwidth story - that page is stuffed full of big images scaled only on the client ;-) so - serving it is a bit of a pain, and slower than necessary. I suspect we would be better served by having a table of thumbnails at the top (as now), perhaps split into two pieces new new and distinctives. And then, (perhaps) some textual content below it, and perhaps two or more (but not a dozen) separate pages with more content describing each feature (?). I added Michael Meeks to CC, because he has been the driving force behind this page. Only because my suspicions (strongly confirmed by the numbers) were that this would be the #1 or #2 page on our site, and it was initially terrible, but is now a -lot- better (but still needs love as we see) :-) Anyhow - it would be fantastic to have people giving some love, and thought to this page, and really I'm no web designer; but have pity on those that are. Silverstripe (and Drupal) do not make it easy to manage lots of images (FWIW), so ... changes in that area can be lots of point, click, drag, click, point (etc. etc. - did I mention - I *loathe* -all- web GUIs that have no sane key-navigation, search/replace/ etc. ;-) So - to re-iterate; my requirements would be: a) Be careful, think hard, understand this is -the- key entry point linked in the media etc. b) Consider clueful users' news reading habits: triage news pages, middle clicking interesting things, then reading / closing tabs one by one. + IMHO expecting lots of focused, high latency, multi-click attention on us is unrealistic for the majority use-case + Ergo a dozen of must-click-somewhere-else pages may have some esthetic pleasure from a design perspective but will (I think) suck completely from a getting-lots of-richness-to-many-eyeballs perspective :-) + so please don't hyper-fragment the information. Apart from that - go go go ! :-) ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: US marketing mailing list on website
Hi, :-) I think the issue here is that other NL communities get freedom to develop content on their NL site that suits them, without interference from anyone else. But English speakers haven't had this, having to work with an English site that seems to be considered to be everyone's common property. The US community has its specific needs, as does the Canadian community. Similarly, there's genuine utility in content that is particularly designed to market and present LibreOffice to the United Kingdom community. I think the problem can be solved by setting-up separate US, Canadian and UK sites. Personally, I'd be interested to work with people like Ian Lynch on content for the UK, particularly targeting adoption by UK businesses, UK local and national government, and by the UK education system. So, I'm perfectly serious when I say that I'd like the project to now consider that there is a United Kingdom NL community, and to grant it the same freedom and independence that all the other NL communities enjoy. Therefore, I'm asking Christian to set-up a UK NL site, and I'll be approaching Florian to set-up a separate UK marketing mailing list. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Request for UK NL site
Hi Christian, Erich, :-) Could you please set-up a UK NL site that I can develop and administer for the UK community and market? Thanks if so. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: US marketing mailing list on website
Top posting but short: users are coming from everywhere and not only from US, so are global users that do not know wikis, not just US users. Italo Vignoli mob +39 (348) 5653829 email it...@italovignoli.com skype italovignoli On 14/feb/2011, at 15:19, Friedrich Strohmaier damokles4-lis...@bits-fritz.de wrote: Hi Italo, *, Italo Vignoli schrieb: The US marketing team is a top priority for North America, which is a key market. There is a reason behind this priority: getting visibility in the US brings a better visibility in other geographies, as many US articles are translated into local languages (the single eWeek article after the launch has been published in several European countries in the local language, without any additional effort on our side). I'm with You beeing glad to see US-American activities in this project, and - no question - we should breed that little plant carefully. Concerns are about the way the website change *again* happened here. I remember an early discussion in which it was pointed out, that marketing is a matter not only of the language but rather strongly of the target *region*. If the US are a leading market affecting other markets I'd assume the Change in question is not a very effective means to take account of that fact. I wonder whether this is the final result of a genuine discussion. Can You point me where it took place? I'd expect a more refined result from our (global) marketing team. ;o)) [.. more good reasons for estimating the US as leading market for LibreOffice ..] Marketing in the US brings in visibility in other markets, but not vice versa, and therefore is a priority. Marketing in other geographies is easier, also because the US are the home market for Microsoft. I hope this explains the issue. It explains why You propose to estimate the US market playing a special role, but it doesn't explain, why *that* action was choosen! :o)) In any case, I think that for the first few months we should have as many informations as these ones - helping newcomers to understand where they should go - on the web site. agreed exccluding as these ones and the first few months. If Your above sentence was: modified In any case, I think that we should have as many informations helping newcomers to understand where they should go - on the web site. /modified I'm very shure no objections came up ;o))). Many users have never heard about wikis, and will never look for infos inside a wiki. That sounds funny and I think this is a very particular issue of the US market and should be handled on the US only marketing site ;o)). Again: I agree with You, that we should take care for that plantlet. But I expect better results doing so in a common effort. Gruß/regards -- Friedrich Libreoffice-Box http://libreofficebox.org/ LibreOffice and more on CD/DVD images (german version already started) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: US marketing mailing list on website
Hi, :-) On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 23:01, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: David Nelson wrote (14-02-11 15:44) I think the problem can be solved by setting-up separate US, Canadian and UK sites. +1 Thank you, Cor. :-) So, I'm perfectly serious when I say that I'd like the project to now consider that there is a United Kingdom NL community, and to grant it the same freedom and independence that all the other NL communities enjoy. [...] Only one 'issue': NativeLang communities with English as mother language will be more free then others, since they simply can point to the international website's pages for part of the info. But of course I do not want to withhold them from this little advantage ;-) Frankly, I think it will be very easy to develop quite different content on each of those three sites, when you get down to really addressing the specific aspects and outlooks of the 3 communities. This really need not be a case of duplicated content or of duplicated communication style. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Re: US marketing mailing list on website
Le 2011-02-14 08:42, Marc Paré a écrit : After reading all of the arguments, of which I have to say that I agree with most of you who argue that the US marketing list should not be on the international list, I would like to propose that the US get their own site as suggested here: http://us.libreoffice.org/ If the US members all agree we could then get together and develop the US site and the marketing link will be put on this site. Drew and other US members, would you agree to this? I would also propose then, that there also be a Canadian site added: http://ca.libreoffice.org for Canadians. Would any other Canadian members agree to this? This would then solve all of the problems associated with listing the US marketing group on the international site. People, please consider that, up until today, there was NO US.Libreoffice.org site listed anywhere and that we had been instructed by the SC that the US marketing effort was one of the priorities set for the North American membership. As such, there was NO mention of the US Marketing team anywhere and this was causing problems for the US marketing team ... btw ... of which Canada serves as junior partner. Cheers Marc If we are going to allow other English NL groups to set up their site, how could we then refine our website landing identification. I would want to land on the Canadian site. As it stands now, if I go to libreoffice.org, it will shuffle me to the international site as my browser is in English. Is there a way that the Website gurus could figure this out? BTW ... I am French Canadian and am usually sent to the French site as my browser is in French. H . As you are all aware, this will open up the creation of quite a few sites now that we would no longer be operating really as NL (language based sites) but as Country sites. So, the EN, FR, ES languages sites will see their membership lessen and fragment into smaller country driven sites. But then again, the FR and ES sites can be more accommodating due to their not being the international landing site. If we now return to the original problem, it was to have the US.marketing team have some kind of presence on (I guess at this point we could say ANY) section of the website. But I realize now that the UK, AU, NZ marketing teams also were lacking presence anywhere on the site. But then the same could be said for the FR and ES countries, although, if they advertised their marketing teams on the FR and ES websites this would not cause as much controversy as the EN international site. Is there any other option that we should consider? Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website]basic structure questions (was: Re: US marketing mailing list on website)
Hi Marc, all, interesting how a simple link can reach a totally new level of discussion... I could add quite a lot of comments, but try to keep it short: 1. Language vs. Region Our community is based on languages, not on countries or regions. Only in marketing it is necessary to concentrate on the regions - that's why there are dedicated marketing lists for some regions. Native-language websites are language based - not region based. So before anybody starts to ask for regional websites, this main decision in our community has to be discussed and decided otherwise. 2. International vs. English Our community tries to avoid any predominance of a language above any other - this is as far as I have been informed one of the main reasons to have the multi-language installer. In my eyes questions on the main website can be solved quite easily, if we linked http://www.libreoffice.org to http://en.libreoffice.org (and if the language differs much new sub-sites http://en-us.libreoffice.org or http://en-uk.libreoffice.org could be considered). But as this would lead to a significant modification to the entire community, it has to be decided by the community. 3. Position of US marketing vs. other local marketing US marketing is the most important marketing area for LibreOffice. It is crucial and should be supported wherever possible. But I don't know if this means that other marketing areas should not be supported in the same way. So I'd prefer very much a dedicated web or wiki page linking to all the local marketing teams - With US as the most prominent one, followed by the other regions that can't be covered by a native-language team because of the wider spreading of the language over the world (other English teams, Spanish teams, French teams). Marketing teams working on their native-language discuss list should be mentioned here too, so everybody interested in localized marketing can find his/her way. 4. Website vs. Wiki It is right that *working* with a wiki might be problematic for users. But I have never met any user having problems to *use* a single wiki page as source of information. On the contrary: Most of them don't know that they are not on the website, but on a wiki page - provided that the navigation works in a similar way. So if we want to link to the wiki for user information, these wiki pages would need to have a horizontal navigation linking back to the website categories. The main reason to use a wiki page instead of a web page is to allow more people to modify if. For a static page as the marketing teams I don't think that there are so many modifications in short time, so I'd like to see it on the website. If you want me to, I could write a short description of such a page. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] donation barometer
Hi Matt, * Matt Sturgeon schrieb: Putting it in the banner would be easy, but I don't know how you'd want it to look. If possible, exactly like the one I created for the banner: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/c/c8/Website_banner_468x60.png size: 324x9 px (without border) color: #f5ce53 border color: #622502 border width: 1 px color sum already reached: #a33e03 border color: #622502 border width: 1 px I don't think we need any percentage on the banner - this might be necessary, if we place a more detailed barometer on the page linked from the banner. For the countdown we should use a fixed font - perhaps a web font, because Vegur will probably not be available for every visitor's browser. The countdown should contain the full line Only xx days left with Only xx days bold in LibO green (#18a303), left! in regular and black. Fine positioning would be necessary to get the same impression as with the pure image. Do you think, this is possible? Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] donation barometer
Well I've already emailed a prototype, But repeating myself:
On 14 February 2011 02:40, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok, I've just put the donations meter script on the 600x60 banner:
Archive of source and files:
http://www.filefactory.com/file/b56528h/n/banner1.zip
Screenshot:
http://www.filefactory.com/file/b565290/n/banner1.png
Note: I haven't done the if ($countdown == 0){} yet for this, so
setting $countdown to 0 might not look as intended.
And a later screenshot:
http://www.filefactory.com/file/b565c8a/n/banner1-header.png
a few specific pointers or code contributions would be appreciated, thanks
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[libreoffice-website] Re: basic structure questions
Le 2011-02-14 11:54, Erich Christian a écrit : Hi Bernhard, * Am 14.02.2011 16:34, schrieb Bernhard Dippold: 1. Language vs. Region Native-language websites are language based - not region based. 2. International vs. English In my eyes questions on the main website can be solved quite easily, if we linked http://www.libreoffice.org to http://en.libreoffice.org (and if the language differs much new sub-sites http://en-us.libreoffice.org or http://en-uk.libreoffice.org could be considered). From my pov this approach is a bit too complicated for subdomains should also be easy to 'guess' for the users. Concerning au., nz., uk., us. I think nobody would expect to find other than english content there. For ca. I see it definitely different because it is a dedicated bilingual country so ca-en and ca-fr (or the other way round) would make sense - same for za. - in case both of the subsites will be filled with content. ;-) I don't see much sense in using an en. subdomain so far. my 2 ct cheers Erich So then, we are back to having a need to post the US marketing mailing list on the site. Any suggestions? Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: basic structure questions
Hi Marc, * Am 14.02.2011 18:25, schrieb Marc Paré: Le 2011-02-14 11:54, Erich Christian a écrit : Hi Bernhard, * Am 14.02.2011 16:34, schrieb Bernhard Dippold: 1. Language vs. Region Native-language websites are language based - not region based. 2. International vs. English In my eyes questions on the main website can be solved quite easily, if we linked http://www.libreoffice.org to http://en.libreoffice.org (and if the language differs much new sub-sites http://en-us.libreoffice.org or http://en-uk.libreoffice.org could be considered). From my pov this approach is a bit too complicated for subdomains should also be easy to 'guess' for the users. Concerning au., nz., uk., us. I think nobody would expect to find other than english content there. For ca. I see it definitely different because it is a dedicated bilingual country so ca-en and ca-fr (or the other way round) would make sense - same for za. - in case both of the subsites will be filled with content. ;-) I don't see much sense in using an en. subdomain so far. So then, we are back to having a need to post the US marketing mailing list on the site. Any suggestions? I think this is a misunderstanding... I was talking about subdomains like en-us, en-uk ... for which I don't see the necessity to use en-* Basically I would prefer very much seeing localized subsites for local content no matter if there are some of them in the same languages. cheers Erich -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Request for Italian website
Hi All is it possible to setup an Italian version of the official website? I mean, we need a copy with Italian subdomain version to be localized by our team. Thanks in advance and best regards, -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.kubuntu.org LibreOffice: www.libreoffice.org OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Request for Italian website
Hi Valter, Am 14.02.2011 19:23, schrieb Valter Mura: is it possible to setup an Italian version of the official website? I mean, we need a copy with Italian subdomain version to be localized by our team. Thanks in advance and best regards, Created subsite, please register your account at https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/forums/ and come back when you're done to let us unlock your permissons. Same for your team with a request for the appropriate permissions for each member (subsite admin, publisher, author). Cheers Erich -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: US marketing mailing list on website
On 2/14/11 3:19 PM, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote: Concerns are about the way the website change *again* happened here. I agree. We should start planning changes to the website without making them on the fly according to the opinions of a single person. I remember an early discussion in which it was pointed out, that marketing is a matter not only of the language but rather strongly of the target *region*. Marketing has nothing to do with languages. There are markets where people speak more than one language, and languages that span over the boundaries of countries. Marketing has to do with markets, which often correspond to countries, but sometimes are smaller or larger. I wonder whether this is the final result of a genuine discussion. Can You point me where it took place? The discussion was about having marketing by geography, and not about how this should be reflected in the website. This is probably a subject to be discussed, because so far we have focused the efforts on specific issues and not on a comprehensive go to market strategy. If Your above sentence was: modified In any case, I think that we should have as many informations helping newcomers to understand where they should go - on the web site. /modified I'm very shure no objections came up ;o))). Of course. Many users have never heard about wikis, and will never look for infos inside a wiki. That sounds funny and I think this is a very particular issue of the US market and should be handled on the US only marketing site ;o)). When we talk about normal users, i.e. non technical people used to Windows, they think that the only email program is Outlook, the only web browser is IE, and so on. Unfortunately, these users are close to 75% of all users. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com Mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP: +39.02.320621813 Skype: italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: basic structure questions
Hi Marc, all! I enjoyed most of the thread on my mobile when going home - so sorry for stepping in late. Fortunately, Bernhard already covered most of my thoughts ... :-) Am Montag, den 14.02.2011, 12:25 -0500 schrieb Marc Paré: So then, we are back to having a need to post the US marketing mailing list on the site. Any suggestions? Even after all the mails, I still don't get the importance to create that many specific websites. As far as I understand, the initial idea was to list the North American Mailing List so that it doesn't get missed (for that important market). But, the international LibreOffice website is primarily meant to present the product and to provide downloads for end-users, and to present the overall structure for potential contributors. So my questions are: 1. End-Users: How much gain the end-users when creating more local website pages? What special content might be required/helpful for them? Or, do they gain much more benefit, if we use our available resources to make the international website close to perfect? 2. Potential Contributors: How important is to present the strength of the international, and the collaboration of the local teams by focusing on one entry point? Is it helpful for the evolving NA team to only subscribe to the local mailing list? 3. Active Contributors: If people become active contributors, is it likely that they will use the wiki to read / create content? So is having some information available in the wiki (to be read) a showstopper for them? I already answered the questions from my point-of-view, and here is my take to address the issue: If there is no real need to adapt the main website for end-users (meeting their local needs), then a general Marketeers Page would be my favorite. To catch those who are interested, I would rather go for a how to join wiki page that explicitly mentions and explains the US team - and also provides some introduction where to start. Thus, adding the content that would - in the first step - be unhelpful if presented within the Get Involved Teaser on the website :-) Since we lack that for the Design team as well (it's planned), here is how we tried to meet the needs of new OOo UX team members: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/HowTo_Join_the_User_Experience_Community Would this be something that fits? Cheers, Christoph PS: Since I don't want to pollute the mailing list with less helpful mails - a big thank you for your work on structuring the marketing content! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website]basic structure questions
On 2/14/11 4:34 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: US marketing is the most important marketing area for LibreOffice. I would prefer to say that US marketing is important because it is new as a focus area for the project. It is not the most important marketing area, it is the newest marketing area. UK marketing is also important, but sometimes UK picks marketing contents from the US (not always a good idea) and therefore US has a slight priority over US, because some of the most important publishers are based in the US. It is crucial and should be supported wherever possible. But I don't know if this means that other marketing areas should not be supported in the same way. We should support every marketing area that has been neglected in the past, and I think this especially true for English and Spanish speaking markets. Most of the other marketing areas, as they are similar to the language area, are easier to organize. But I have never met any user having problems to *use* a single wiki page as source of information. On the contrary: Most of them don't know that they are not on the website, but on a wiki page - provided that the navigation works in a similar way. So if we want to link to the wiki for user information, these wiki pages would need to have a horizontal navigation linking back to the website categories. Thanks. You perfectly got my point. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com Mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP: +39.02.320621813 Skype: italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: US marketing mailing list on website
Hi Marc, *, On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2011-02-14 08:51, Christian Lohmaier a écrit : On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Marc Parém...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2011-02-14 08:37, Christian Lohmaier a écrit : [...] And as written before: I think it is a bad idea to have regional top-level domains, as while you need to do local/regional marketing work, you should still keep track of the global marketing efforts, closely work together with the groups of other regions, thus regional marketing sub-groups make much more sense IMHO. Maybe its just me, but I am just confused as to what you mean, sorry. OK, simple words: The international sites lang.libreoffice.org are for users speaking the language, not because people come from a specific region. Within lang there can be region specific content of course, as many languages are specific to a certain region of the world. But I'm against us, ca, uk and au subsites, as the content on all of those would be english, the difference between those is too minor to warrant a specific subsite. The subsites are per language, not per country/region. Do you mean that it is a bad idea to have, for example, us.libreoffice.org site, because we (North Americans), even though we need to work on our US marketing efforts we should still keep track of global marketing work -- Yes. Because you write yourself: You want it for marketing. None of the subsites is for marketing only. but all are for information about the whole office, for users of the corresponding language. I'd have no problem with having dedicated parts of the site dedicated to a region, but no complete subsites, as (I mention it again): the language is the same. And the most important part: us, ca, uk, ... won't work. ca is catalan, not canada, uk is ukrainian, not Great Britain --- so this alone is reason enough for me to not approve a subsite like this. Having www.libreoffice.org/regions/[us,ca,...] or something similar however would perfectly fine with me. But definitely not [us,uk,ca,...].libreoffice.org (unless someone wants to setup a Catalan or Ukrainian NL-project, but not when it means United Kingdom or Canada) ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: US marketing mailing list on website
Hi Marc, *, Please avoid the fullquotes, it makes following the thread harder than necessary, and makes it harder to see what you're actually referring to. On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: [...] As it stands now, if I go to libreoffice.org, it will shuffle me to the international site as my browser is in English. Is there a way that the Website gurus could figure this out? No, it has nothing to do with browser language, it is an apache rewrite rule, everyone who uses just http://libreoffice.org will be redirected to www.libreoffice.org, There are also redirects for http://[www.]libreoffice.org/languagecode to http://languagecode.libreoffice.org (where a corresponding subsite is registered), as those URLs are used within the documentation/help/readme, other languagecodes redirect to www.libreoffice.org ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Request for Italian website
In data lunedì 14 febbraio 2011 19:54:31, Erich Christian ha scritto: Hi Valter, Am 14.02.2011 19:23, schrieb Valter Mura: is it possible to setup an Italian version of the official website? I mean, we need a copy with Italian subdomain version to be localized by our team. Thanks in advance and best regards, Created subsite, please register your account at https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/forums/ and come back when you're done to let us unlock your permissons. Hi, I created an account with name valtermura Same for your team with a request for the appropriate permissions for each member (subsite admin, publisher, author). Cheers, -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.kubuntu.org OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: basic structure questions
Hi Marc, *, On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2011-02-14 10:34, Bernhard Dippold a écrit : I am not sure how this could be accomplished. Plus, would not the same be applicable to the FR and ES sites? The same applies of course. I personally don't see any point in having en-US, and en-UK subsites, they are just too similar, for the same reason I see no point in having seperate fr-FR and fr-CA sites (not to mention that there probably won't be enough people to maintain those). The PT and PT-BR are already separated. Actually, the PR-BR site is listed but there does not seem to be any PT site at this time. Yes, pt-BR has historically been a special region, had a different name of the product for legal regions, etc. So yes, for this specific case it isn't only the language, but also the region that matters. ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: basic structure questions
Hi Marc, *, On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: [...] So then, we are back to having a need to post the US marketing mailing list on the site. The link by itself is not a problem. That the link was the only one however is a problem. Have a list of local groups, by (sub)continent, either selectable by a worldmap with imagemap. ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] donation barometer
Hi Matt,
Matt Sturgeon schrieb:
Well I've already emailed a prototype,
I already saw it - but it is quite different from my banner in color,
text, font and so on.
Therefore I tried to provide you with the necessary basic informations
for the barometer and the countdown.
Both should be added in front of the banner (I added the rest of the
image to the wiki):
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Empty_banner_600x60.png
If barometer and countdown are positioned in the exact position, the
image will not be considered as divided in single parts, but one
integrated banner.
Is this would be possible, it would be great!
But repeating myself:
On 14 February 2011 02:40, Matt Sturgeonmtt...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok, I've just put the donations meter script on the 600x60 banner:
Archive of source and files:
http://www.filefactory.com/file/b56528h/n/banner1.zip
Screenshot:
http://www.filefactory.com/file/b565290/n/banner1.png
Note: I haven't done the if ($countdown == 0){} yet for this, so
setting $countdown to 0 might not look as intended.
And a later screenshot:
http://www.filefactory.com/file/b565c8a/n/banner1-header.png
a few specific pointers or code contributions would be appreciated, thanks
Sorry - I can't code PHP, and with my restricted HTML coding experience
I gave you size and color of the objects. Please tell me, what
information you need still...
Best regards
Bernhard
PS: Would you mind uploading your files to our wiki? Having to go
through those ads on the filefactory site is quite annoying...
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: basic structure questions
On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 22:20 +0100, Christian Lohmaier wrote: Hi Marc, *, On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: [...] So then, we are back to having a need to post the US marketing mailing list on the site. The link by itself is not a problem. That the link was the only one however is a problem. Have a list of local groups, by (sub)continent, either selectable by a worldmap with imagemap. Right - good idea, I do like it - but you are still stuck with the problem of what to do with folks from AU, or NZ or UK (country codes). There is no lists to go to, if someone points to Lithuania they can at least be directed to the discuss list in that language, same with Germany or France or Iceland (maybe - they might only have a list for translators) So, one simple solution is create a language site: http://en.libreoffice.org Then leave up to the English speakers to determine how to apportion the site between the different countries. Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Request for Italian website
In data lunedì 14 febbraio 2011 22:59:34, Erich Christian ha scritto: Hi Valter, Am 14.02.2011 22:01, schrieb Valter Mura: In data lunedì 14 febbraio 2011 19:54:31, Erich Christian ha scritto: Am 14.02.2011 19:23, schrieb Valter Mura: [Italian subdomain] Created subsite, please register your account at https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/forums/ and come back when you're done to let us unlock your permissons. Hi, I created an account with name valtermura Ok, you may login now at https://it.libreoffice.org/admin/ provided admin permissions for you, Thank you very much Erich!! So, now people who wants to collaborate need to follow the same procedure, isn't it? Or can I directly grant permissions by myself, as admin? Ciao -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.kubuntu.org OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Request for Italian website
Am 14.02.2011 23:20, schrieb Valter Mura: In data lunedì 14 febbraio 2011 19:54:31, Erich Christian ha scritto: Am 14.02.2011 19:23, schrieb Valter Mura: [Italian subdomain] Created subsite, please register your account at https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/forums/ and come back when you're done to let us unlock your permissons. Hi, I created an account with name valtermura Ok, you may login now at https://it.libreoffice.org/admin/ provided admin permissions for you, Thank you very much Erich!! So, now people who wants to collaborate need to follow the same procedure, isn't it? Or can I directly grant permissions by myself, as admin? AFAIK no, they register and either post to this list here or you send a collection of names or better email addresses, no usernames, in case they do not want to subscribe to this list. ciao Erich -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] donation barometer
Ok,
I have updated the script to use your graphic.
Sorry, since I haven't got a wiki account yet I can't upload there,
but I Google'd for one more suited to images, anyway here's the link
to a screenshot.
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/6296/screenshot100y.png
Hope that's slightly better.
Will now work on integrating the countdown script.
On 14 February 2011 22:00, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote:
Hi Matt,
Matt Sturgeon schrieb:
Well I've already emailed a prototype,
I already saw it - but it is quite different from my banner in color, text,
font and so on.
Therefore I tried to provide you with the necessary basic informations for
the barometer and the countdown.
Both should be added in front of the banner (I added the rest of the image
to the wiki):
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Empty_banner_600x60.png
If barometer and countdown are positioned in the exact position, the image
will not be considered as divided in single parts, but one integrated
banner.
Is this would be possible, it would be great!
But repeating myself:
On 14 February 2011 02:40, Matt Sturgeonmtt...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok, I've just put the donations meter script on the 600x60 banner:
Archive of source and files:
http://www.filefactory.com/file/b56528h/n/banner1.zip
Screenshot:
http://www.filefactory.com/file/b565290/n/banner1.png
Note: I haven't done the if ($countdown == 0){} yet for this, so
setting $countdown to 0 might not look as intended.
And a later screenshot:
http://www.filefactory.com/file/b565c8a/n/banner1-header.png
a few specific pointers or code contributions would be appreciated, thanks
Sorry - I can't code PHP, and with my restricted HTML coding experience I
gave you size and color of the objects. Please tell me, what information you
need still...
Best regards
Bernhard
PS: Would you mind uploading your files to our wiki? Having to go through
those ads on the filefactory site is quite annoying...
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Banner for website
Hi Bernhard, hi all! Am Montag, den 14.02.2011, 02:03 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Dippold: Hi Christoph, all, short version: Okay, let me add my short version - I'm happy with everything that gets us closer to the goal. And even if we are online there might be time for refinement. However, I'd like to throw in a few thoughts ... I currently miss a few things that I consider as important. And funnily, it seems that most of our assumptions are quite contrary - for the very first time :-) my new proposal: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/c/c8/Website_banner_468x60.png (clear browser cache, if necessary) longer version: :-) Christoph Noack schrieb: Am Sonntag, den 13.02.2011, 12:07 +0100 schrieb Florian Effenberger: Bernhard Dippold wrote on 2011-02-13 03.20: [...] I want it to look like an element of the page - that's what I think is important, if we want to keep an eye on all our target groups. Mmh, maybe I don't understand that ... could you please tell a bit more? If you refer to target groups, I think about the content and its presentation, but here I get the impression you are referring to the whole banner that may be re-used on different pages. But since you refer to the target groups - I also miss some consideration of the users of our website. Personally, I hope that we might attract those people who are not even aware why a foundation is needed. And to be honest, I also think that many people in our community don't know how important this is. Consequently, I'm hesitant to just say The Challenge: 50 Thousand Euro needed!, or Funding our Foundation - Only 35 Days left! So please bear with me when I add some UX thoughts to the banner: 1. The Challenge: The challenge for whom? Is it ours, or the challenge of our users? 2. What does this to the end-user / community member mean? More precisely, why should he click on the banner? Does the banner tell the user what to do? The proposal by Matt (sorry for this side-note missing to properly to reply to Matt) shows a kind of progress bar - which usually tells the user to wait ... 3. Is the banner clickable at all? Is there anything that tells the user that this element leads to somewhere else? (David mentioned that this isn't obvious for him concerning my proposal as well, although I tried - maybe failed - to add a button). 4. If the user clicks to the banner, what location will be opened? People feel more safe if we tell them what will happen ... especially if we want something from them :-) I tried to incorporate these things (amongst others, like repeating keywords like Donate) into my proposal. A banner just painted over an area of the page doesn't look professional IMHO - as we not only want to involve individuals, but business people, decision makers in companies and others able to donate larger sums, I'd like to address them too. Well, my take was the following: * Avoid the format of a conventional banner (people may think of normal advertisement and thus don't pay attention) * Provide a visual connection between the page and our request: * LibreOffice belongs to the Foundation and vice versa * The item is not hosted by an external entity, but belongs to our page (again: avoid the impression of conventional advertisement) * Maximize the space being used on the page Summary: * Maximizing the space for the banner without touching the current LibreOffice logo on the website * Using intensive colors based on Libre Yellow, and used a rather noisy design that drives away attention from the rest of the page :-) * Instead of a slogan, I decided to re-use our TDF team mission statement Direct link: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/d/d1/2011-02-13_Christoph_Idea_Foundation_Donation_Banner_Website.png Working space incl. source file (SVG): http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:ChristophNoack/Temporary_Work_Space#The_Document_Foundation_Fundraising I don't know whether this might work, but at least it is another proposal ... any thoughts on that? Sorry, but I don't really like it :-( That's possible, of course ;-) But is it more about the visual style, or the structure? It's not only noisy, it contains a kind of negative, displeasing color tone for me. It doesn't attract the interest, but distracts it from the rest of the page. Well, color wise it looks okay on my monitor (and viewed by my eyes, of course *g*), but color can be changed. By the way, is there any color we might reserve for the fundraising to have a consistent communication? And with the word cloud in the background it's quite turbulent too. Can be removed with click + Del ... As you didn't include a border to the banner, it becomes part of
Re: [libreoffice-website] US marketing mailing list on website
Hi Marc, David, all, Marc Paré schrieb: I know it must be me ... but ... where can I find the mailing list coordinates for the US Marketing mailing list. I wanted to refer a user to the section of the website so that he could subscribe to the mailist but could not find it. Is it still listed on the website? Following the extensive thread on this topic (based on question of equality and region/language ), I propose to modify the website in a way that allows the US team to have a direct link, while the other teams are not that much behind them: From Primary points of contact and resources for our international marketing: the linkGlobal Marketing mailing list/link, the link North American Marketing list/link, and our linkmarketing wiki pages/link. I want it to change to Primary points of contact and resources for our international marketing: the linkGlobal Marketing mailing list/link and our linkmarketing wiki pages/link. Local teams are mainly organized in their respective link to Internationalization pagenative-language group/link, for English spoken marketing activities in the USA and Canada a mailto: US-ListNorth American Marketing list/mailto has been established. Wording could probably be improved, but I think you get my idea. At the bottom of the page I changed the US-List link to the local mailing list page at the wiki. When we have a (third level) Regional Marketing web page, we can link there. I did the changes in SilverStripe, but didn't approve the changes, so David can improve them before publishing. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: US marketing mailing list on website
On 2/14/11 12:44 PM, Volker Merschmann wrote: Common, if we just link from http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/marketers/ to http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists instead of linking to marketing+subscr...@us.libreoffice.org, wouldn´t that even be easier for those unexperienced users. They need instructions about mailing lists anyway. Good solution IMHO, so ++1 I also think that this might be a good solution. I overlooked the message, as I have been reading email from the smartphone all day, while talking with people at the Mobile World Congress. Apologies. Smartphones are not the best tool for interacting by email. -- Italo Vignoli - The Document Foundation E-mail: italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org Mobile +39.348.5653829 - VoIP: +39.02.320621813 Skype: italovignoli - GTalk: italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Banner for website
Hi Christoph, all! Christoph Noack schrieb: Hi Bernhard, hi all! Am Montag, den 14.02.2011, 02:03 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Dippold: [...] However, I'd like to throw in a few thoughts ... I currently miss a few things that I consider as important. And funnily, it seems that most of our assumptions are quite contrary - for the very first time :-) You're right, we don't disagree often - but reading this mail, I don't think they are contrary, just taking into account different needs... my new proposal: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/c/c8/Website_banner_468x60.png (clear browser cache, if necessary) [...] I want it to look like an element of the page - that's what I think is important, if we want to keep an eye on all our target groups. Mmh, maybe I don't understand that ... could you please tell a bit more? If you refer to target groups, I think about the content and its presentation, but here I get the impression you are referring to the whole banner that may be re-used on different pages. Only on our website. A similar banner could be offered for external pages, but in this case your points about the uninformed users are even more valid as for our site - this would need more explanatory text on the banner. But since you refer to the target groups - I also miss some consideration of the users of our website. Personally, I hope that we might attract those people who are not even aware why a foundation is needed. And to be honest, I also think that many people in our community don't know how important this is. You're right - I've been too deeply involved in that topic to have a look at uninformed users / supporters. Consequently, I'm hesitant to just say The Challenge: 50 Thousand Euro needed!, or Funding our Foundation - Only 35 Days left! But these are the main points in my personal opinion (following Florian's description). We have a very short timeframe to get quite an amount of money. I don't want to hide this information on the donation page, because even if people understand that we ask for monetary donations for the foundation, they are not attracted to help *now* by your proposal. So please bear with me when I add some UX thoughts to the banner: 1. The Challenge: The challenge for whom? Is it ours, or the challenge of our users? I thought about Our Challenge, but this would change anything for the user. I don't insist on the word challenge at all - I just liked it, when Florian first thought of it. Challenge attracts people in my eyes. They become curious. And this is the most important point here IMHO. 2. What does this to the end-user / community member mean? More precisely, why should he click on the banner? I see three different use-cases for my banner: a) People thinking of a donation for LibO. They read about a sum and a timeframe. They understand that they should contribute rather sooner than later. They click on the banner to get more information. b) People looking at our website for any other reason (probably download). They read about sum and timeframe and perhaps they get curious. Perhaps they come back to our site looking for our progress. ... and finally they want to know more about the background and click on the banner... c) People informed by a press release about our challenge: Either they tend to a) or b) - but they definitively want to know about our progress. Does the banner tell the user what to do? Not directly, but I didn't see a way to add this information to the banner without losing it's main purpose. I think of a tooltip on mouseover telling them to click on the banner for more information on the documentfoundation site. [...] 3. Is the banner clickable at all? Yes - the entire banner should be clickable (perhaps with inverting the borders, so it looks like a button pressed...) Is there anything that tells the user that this element leads to somewhere else? (David mentioned that this isn't obvious for him concerning my proposal as well, although I tried - maybe failed - to add a button). I understood the green area as button ;-) But a banner clickable at it's entire area (if you didn't plan this despite the button) might be more attractive. I agree that this information should be visible, but unless I make the button higher there is no room for another line telling the user to click for more information. Do you think that mouseover would not work? If people get curious, they probably will move the mouse over the interesting area... 4. If the user clicks to the banner, what location will be opened? People feel more safe if we tell them what will happen ... especially if we want something from them :-) Right - It will be the website Florian is setting up now. With the mouseover they will be informed where they are led. I tried to incorporate these things
[libreoffice-website] Re: basic structure questions
Le 2011-02-14 17:13, drew a écrit : On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 22:20 +0100, Christian Lohmaier wrote: Hi Marc, *, On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Marc Parém...@marcpare.com wrote: [...] So then, we are back to having a need to post the US marketing mailing list on the site. The link by itself is not a problem. That the link was the only one however is a problem. Have a list of local groups, by (sub)continent, either selectable by a worldmap with imagemap. Right - good idea, I do like it - but you are still stuck with the problem of what to do with folks from AU, or NZ or UK (country codes). There is no lists to go to, if someone points to Lithuania they can at least be directed to the discuss list in that language, same with Germany or France or Iceland (maybe - they might only have a list for translators) So, one simple solution is create a language site: http://en.libreoffice.org Then leave up to the English speakers to determine how to apportion the site between the different countries. Thanks Drew I was actually going to suggest the same thing. It is impossible for any English members to create any local information on the international site. There must be some way to accommodate our needs somewhere. Otherwise, whenever there is a request to post a localized issue for English members, we will go through this debate over again. I think that we (English country members) should at least have some part of the English site where we can feel at home just like the other NL members. How about an en.libreoffice.org as Drew suggested with a second layer broken up by the participating English language countries listed in alphabetical order? We could then add, according to our wishes a 3rd layers for our own particular needs. The countries would be 1st language speaking countries: Australia; Canada; New Zealand; US (have I missed some and my apologies to these country members if I did) Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: US marketing mailing list on website
Hi guys, :-) @Bernhard: OK, Bernhard, I published your changes. But I think that Drew and Marc *may* be irritated about this. We have a problem. This is an English-language site, and the English-speaking communities are not getting to mold the content to the needs of *their* communities. It is effectively making English speakers second-class citizens in the project, because the NL sites get to develop their content the way they like, but the different English-speaking cultures are not getting an opportunity to communicate in a tailored manner with their particular communities and markets. IMHO, the time has come for individual English-language sub-sites for English-speaking cultures having individual needs. @Christian: I think we need to change mindset here. Remember that .us, .ca and .uk are the domain roots of those three countries. If you insist on en-us.libreoffice.org, en-ca.libreoffice.org and en-uk.libreoffice.org, you are going to considerably reduce the usefulness of the domains. People in those countries don't identify with en-us, en-ca and en-uk. This is not simply a *language* thing here. It's about prominent and distinct cultures being able to communicate with and provide information for their particular communities and markets. So it's a cultural thing and a marketing thing. I specifically want to ask for us.libreoffice.org, ca.libreoffice.org and uk.libreoffice.org. AFAIK, the SC is going to discuss the issue, so I guess there will be a decision about this. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Re: Banner for website
I just wanted to add that regardless of banner used, most users/visiter/members would check or assume that the banner is clickable. I don't think it necessary to put a button on the banner to re-direct people to a page with information on the reasons behind the funding effort. People will just click on the banner. This being the case, Bernhard's banner proposal would work well for those interested in clicking on the banner. Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Banner for website
Ok, well I've got it implimented.
meter-fill.png - http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/2935/meterfill.png
banner1.png - http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/4644/banner1ny.png
--banner1.css--
a.banner1 {
position:absolute;
top:13px;
text-decoration: none;
color:#000;
cursor:pointer;
margin:0;
padding:0;
} div#banner1 {
background:url('banner1.png') no-repeat;
height:60px;
width:600px;
overflow:hidden;
} #countdown {
color:#555;
position:relative;
top:-23px;
left:6px;
margin:5px;
} #marker1 {
background:#ccf4c6;
border:1px solid #18a303;
position:relative;
top:-3px;
left:248px;
width:330px;
} #marker2 {
position:relative;
height:13px;
background:#18a303 url('meter-fill.png') repeat-x;
bottom:0;
left:0;
display:block;
border-right:1px solid #207313;
} #marker-text {
color:#106802;
position:relative;
top:27px;
left:248px;
z-index:5;
width:330px;
font-size:0.9em;
text-align:center;
}
End banner1.css--
banner1.php-
?php
$donation_goal = 5;
$donation_current = 1568; // Where to link this?
$currency = '#8364;'; // Euros
// Get a percentage
$donation_percent = ($donation_current / $donation_goal) * 100;
// Make the percentage an integer
if ($donation_percent 100) {
$donation_percent = 100;
} elseif ($donation_percent 99 $donation_percent 100) {
$donation_percent = 99;
} elseif ($donation_percent 1 $donation_percent 0) {
$donation_percent = 1;
} else {
$donation_percent = round($donation_percent);
}
// convert it to pixels
$donation_pixels = $donation_percent * 3.3;
// mktime ( Hours, Mins, Secs, Month, Day, Year )
$to = mktime(23, 59, 59, 2, 28, 2011);
$now = time();
$interval = $to - $now;
$countdown_d = floor ( $interval / (24*3600) );
$countdown_h = floor( ($interval-$countdown_d*24*3600) / 3600 );
$countdown_m = floor( ($interval-$countdown_d*24*3600-$countdown_h*3600) / 60 );
?
-End banner1.php-
- Nest this in div id=TopHeader / replacing p
id=HeaderTagLine
/ --
!--donation meter begin--
a class=banner1 href=/get-involved/donate/
title=Go to the
donations page to find out morediv id=banner1
p id=marker-text
?php
echo($currency.$donation_current.,nbsp;.$donation_percent);?%
/p
div id=marker1
div id=marker2
style=width:?php echo($donation_pixels);?px;
/div
/div
h2 id=countdown?php
if ($countdown_d
5 $countdown_d != 0)
echo (Only );
if ($countdown_d 0) echo ($countdown_d. days left!);
elseif ($countdown_d = 0 $countdown_h 0) echo
($countdown_h. hours left!);
elseif ($countdown_h = 0 $countdown_m 0) echo
($countdown_h. minutes left!);
else echo (Times up! But you can still donate...);
?/h2
/div/a
!--donation meter end--
-- End section to be nested -
And don't forget to link the CSS stylesheet, and include(); the PHP script
Oh, and upload the images - and correct any paths (URL/URI's) in any
of the text ofcourse
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[libreoffice-website] Re: basic structure questions
Le 2011-02-14 22:20, David Nelson a écrit : Hi, :-) I just wanted to say that, personally, I think there's justification for uk.libreoffice.org, us.libreoffice.org and ca.libreoffice.org. AFAIK, the SC is going to discuss the issue, so I guess there will be a decision about that. For me, a simple en.libreoffice.org will not solve the problem. The US community/market has special needs. The Canadian community/market has special needs plus the issue of bilingualism. And the UK community/market is quite a different context from either of them. Speaking for myself only, this will be my last 2 cents on the matter. I'll wait to see what the SC says. David Nelson Thanks for the note, and ... sorry I missed the UK in my argument. Duh! Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] donation barometer
Hi Matt, :-) Done. Mailed you. HTH. David Nelson On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:01, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote: Matt Sturgeon will do the trick, thanks ;-) On 15 February 2011 03:59, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote: Hi Matt, :-) On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 07:13, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, since I haven't got a wiki account yet I can't upload there If you want a wiki account, tell me your preferred login name and I can create one for you. HTH. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] donation barometer
Got it, thanks. Any comments on getting that banner on the site? On 15 Feb 2011 04:54, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote: Hi Matt, :-) Done. Mailed you. HTH. David Nelson On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:01, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote: Matt Sturgeon will do the trick, thanks ;-) On 15 February 2011 03:59, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote: Hi Matt, :-) On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 07:13, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, since I haven't got a wiki account yet I can't upload there If you want a wiki account, tell me your preferred login name and I can create one for you. HTH. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] donation barometer
Thanks, your welcome :-) With regard to Features and Fixes, I did, eventually, make a mockup of my vision. I just uploaded it to the wiki at: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Features_Fixes_Mockup1.png I'd still like feedback on it, since I received none from the whatever-dumb-proprietary-upload-site-I-found-on-google upload. On 15 February 2011 05:21, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote: Hi Matt, :-) Looks fine to me. Christian will be the guy who does the integration - feel free to mail him directly with a request about that, although I think he's watching this thread. A big thanks from all of us for your work on this. :-) If you felt up to the task, the New Features and Fixes page at [1] would need CSS love and attention... [1] http://www.libreoffice.org/download/new-features-and-fixes/ David Nelson On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:57, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote: Got it, thanks. Any comments on getting that banner on the site? On 15 Feb 2011 04:54, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote: Hi Matt, :-) Done. Mailed you. HTH. David Nelson On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:01, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote: Matt Sturgeon will do the trick, thanks ;-) On 15 February 2011 03:59, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote: Hi Matt, :-) On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 07:13, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, since I haven't got a wiki account yet I can't upload there If you want a wiki account, tell me your preferred login name and I can create one for you. HTH. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] donation barometer
Hi Matt, :-) I think it looks pretty nice. I'm CC'ing Michael Meeks, who is especially interested in this page. But my own 2 cents is that you're good to go - and another big thanks if you do. David Nelson On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 13:36, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, your welcome :-) With regard to Features and Fixes, I did, eventually, make a mockup of my vision. I just uploaded it to the wiki at: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Features_Fixes_Mockup1.png I'd still like feedback on it, since I received none from the whatever-dumb-proprietary-upload-site-I-found-on-google upload. On 15 February 2011 05:21, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote: Hi Matt, :-) Looks fine to me. Christian will be the guy who does the integration - feel free to mail him directly with a request about that, although I think he's watching this thread. A big thanks from all of us for your work on this. :-) If you felt up to the task, the New Features and Fixes page at [1] would need CSS love and attention... [1] http://www.libreoffice.org/download/new-features-and-fixes/ David Nelson On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:57, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote: Got it, thanks. Any comments on getting that banner on the site? On 15 Feb 2011 04:54, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote: Hi Matt, :-) Done. Mailed you. HTH. David Nelson On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:01, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote: Matt Sturgeon will do the trick, thanks ;-) On 15 February 2011 03:59, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote: Hi Matt, :-) On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 07:13, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, since I haven't got a wiki account yet I can't upload there If you want a wiki account, tell me your preferred login name and I can create one for you. HTH. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] donation barometer
Hi Matt, :-) On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 13:44, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, but I think the next comment on this should be in a new thread lol Sure. Why don't you start a new thread then and, with your first post, CC to michael.me...@novell.com so that he sees it. I'm sure he'll post back. David Nelson On 15 February 2011 05:41, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote: Hi Matt, :-) I think it looks pretty nice. I'm CC'ing Michael Meeks, who is especially interested in this page. But my own 2 cents is that you're good to go - and another big thanks if you do. David Nelson On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 13:36, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, your welcome :-) With regard to Features and Fixes, I did, eventually, make a mockup of my vision. I just uploaded it to the wiki at: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Features_Fixes_Mockup1.png I'd still like feedback on it, since I received none from the whatever-dumb-proprietary-upload-site-I-found-on-google upload. On 15 February 2011 05:21, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote: Hi Matt, :-) Looks fine to me. Christian will be the guy who does the integration - feel free to mail him directly with a request about that, although I think he's watching this thread. A big thanks from all of us for your work on this. :-) If you felt up to the task, the New Features and Fixes page at [1] would need CSS love and attention... [1] http://www.libreoffice.org/download/new-features-and-fixes/ David Nelson On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:57, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote: Got it, thanks. Any comments on getting that banner on the site? On 15 Feb 2011 04:54, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote: Hi Matt, :-) Done. Mailed you. HTH. David Nelson On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:01, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote: Matt Sturgeon will do the trick, thanks ;-) On 15 February 2011 03:59, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote: Hi Matt, :-) On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 07:13, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, since I haven't got a wiki account yet I can't upload there If you want a wiki account, tell me your preferred login name and I can create one for you. HTH. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] New libreoffice.org New Features and Fixes layout
Hi, There's a couple threads on the Web Admins list about this, so this is the new unified place to talk about, well, the New libreoffice.org New Features and Fixes layout. Which at the present time, is a very basic and over simplified mockup by me: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Features_Fixes_Mockup1.png Put simply, the idea is making the new features and fixes, easier to find, and easier on the eyes. The proposed method is basically a filtered slideshow (see mockup), but unlike traditional JavaScript slideshows, it should contain HTML rather than pixels. Hope you find something to comment on (again: see the linked mockup) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] US marketing mailing list on website
Hi, Am 15.02.2011 00:20, schrieb Bernhard Dippold: I want it to change to Primary points of contact and resources for our international marketing: the linkGlobal Marketing mailing list/link and our linkmarketing wiki pages/link. Local teams are mainly organized in their respective link to Internationalization pagenative-language group/link, for English spoken marketing activities in the USA and Canada a mailto: US-ListNorth American Marketing list/mailto has been established. -1 We shouldn´t at all point to mailing lists directly via a mailto: link without an explicit warning, that everything you post to public mailing lists, including your e-mail address and other personal data contained in your e-mail, will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. http://go.mail-archive.com/-wv1x1a2tVHK2o7JFxEARjnl3Es= Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: US marketing mailing list on website
Hi all, Am 15.02.2011 03:09, schrieb David Nelson: Hi guys, :-) IMHO, the time has come for individual English-language sub-sites for English-speaking cultures having individual needs. @Christian: I think we need to change mindset here. Remember that .us, .ca and .uk are the domain roots of those three countries. If you insist on en-us.libreoffice.org, en-ca.libreoffice.org and en-uk.libreoffice.org, you are going to considerably reduce the usefulness of the domains. People in those countries don't identify with en-us, en-ca and en-uk. This is not simply a *language* thing here. It's about prominent and distinct cultures being able to communicate with and provide information for their particular communities and markets. So it's a cultural thing and a marketing thing. I specifically want to ask for us.libreoffice.org, ca.libreoffice.org and uk.libreoffice.org. +1 for the us and uk. For ca: @Marc (as speaker of the canadians): Maybe the canadian can be with the us with special content, links etc? For nz and au: The same in uk? So we would have only two different NLs for en. The austrian and swiss (german speakers) are in the 'de' although they have their own market. And it works. The swiss would have the same problem with languages as the canadians. AFAIK, the SC is going to discuss the issue, so I guess there will be a decision about this. This thread shows that the community of LibreOffice is possible to take care of different opinions and have the look for real solutions. Thanks to all. -- Grüße k-j -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
