[libreoffice-website] Re: Download page: little addition pls

[Marc Paré]

Le 2011-06-03 21:24, Cor Nouws a écrit :

Christian Lohmaier wrote (04-06-11 03:13)

If someone has a concrete statement to put on the site, I can add it.


Now it is
"
LibreOffice 3.4.0 Final (2011-06-03)

Before downloading, please check the system requirements for your
computer. You might also like to look at the release notes and read
about the new features in this version.

I woudl do:
"
LibreOffice 3.4.0 Final (2011-06-03)

For early adaptors. Before downloading, please check the system
requirements for your computer. Pls take a look at the release notes and
read about the new features in this version.
"


You have two user-accounts - tell me which one to use and I can add
you as Author (or if you prefer as Publisher)


oolst@ pls.

Thanks,
Cor



We should also be consistent with our page presentation to avoid 
downloader confusion.


=

"green-checked mark" LibreOffice 3.3.2 Final
"orange-exclamation mark" LibreOffice 3.4

Then the bottom part should be in the same order

"green-checked mark" LibreOffice 3.3.2 Final files
"orange-exclamation mark" LibreOffice 3.4

=

Cheers

Marc


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page: little addition pls

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Cor,

On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 3:24 AM, Cor Nouws  wrote:
> Christian Lohmaier wrote (04-06-11 03:13)
>
> For early adaptors. Before downloading, please check the system requirements
> for your computer. Pls take a look at the release notes and read about the
> new features in this version.
> "

Ah, such a small change can be done by myself :-)

>> You have two user-accounts - tell me which one to use and I can add
>> you as Author (or if you prefer as Publisher)
>
> oolst@ pls.

Added you as author - if you want to be publisher, let me know..

ciao
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Re: [libreoffice-website] about 3.4 download page

[Daniel A. Rodriguez]

> Hi Daniel,
>
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Daniel A. Rodriguez
>  wrote:
>>> To get the "Download using Bittorrent" and other strings that are used
>>> within the page translated, please provide a corresponding list with
>>> the translations.
>>> see https://github.com/tdf/cms-code/blob/master/mysite/lang/fi_FI.php
>>> as an example [...]
>>
>> strings are these ones
>> [...]
>
> Thanks, added them. Please check

Great, Thank You!


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page: little addition pls

[Cor Nouws]

Christian Lohmaier wrote (04-06-11 03:13)

If someone has a concrete statement to put on the site, I can add it.


Now it is
"
LibreOffice 3.4.0 Final (2011-06-03)

Before downloading, please check the system requirements for your 
computer. You might also like to look at the release notes and read 
about the new features in this version.


I woudl do:
"
LibreOffice 3.4.0 Final (2011-06-03)

For early adaptors. Before downloading, please check the system 
requirements for your computer. Pls take a look at the release notes and 
read about the new features in this version.

"


You have two user-accounts - tell me which one to use and I can add
you as Author (or if you prefer as Publisher)


oolst@ pls.

Thanks,
Cor

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page: little addition pls

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Cor, *,

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 9:47 PM, Cor Nouws  wrote:
> [Downloadpage]
> One remark though: IMO it ís necessary to also state in words that the 3.4.0
> *is for early adaptors*. The exclamation mark in itself is not clear enough,
> neither the suggestion that one "might want to read the release notes".
>
> If there are no objections, could someone pls add that few words,

If someone has a concrete statement to put on the site, I can add it.

> or grant
> me rights for that part of the website?

You have two user-accounts - tell me which one to use and I can add
you as Author (or if you prefer as Publisher)

ciao
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Re: [libreoffice-website] about 3.4 download page

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Daniel,

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Daniel A. Rodriguez
 wrote:
>> To get the "Download using Bittorrent" and other strings that are used
>> within the page translated, please provide a corresponding list with
>> the translations.
>> see https://github.com/tdf/cms-code/blob/master/mysite/lang/fi_FI.php
>> as an example [...]
>
> strings are these ones
> [...]

Thanks, added them. Please check

ciao
Christian

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[libreoffice-website] Download page: little addition pls

[Cor Nouws]

Hi,

IMO the current download page is OK, and the best that could be done in 
the current time frame.
Offering both versions on page, prevents that people easily oversee that 
there is a choice. Especially since the point-zero is for early 
adaptors, that would be bad.
One remark though: IMO it ís necessary to also state in words that the 
3.4.0 *is for early adaptors*. The exclamation mark in itself is not 
clear enough, neither the suggestion that one "might want to read the 
release notes".


If there are no objections, could someone pls add that few words, or 
grant me rights for that part of the website?


Thanks,
Cor

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Archived-At: links not working since May 31th?

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Florian, *,

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Florian Effenberger
 wrote:
>
> thanks for the update! The mail is visible in the index, though, or isn't it
> indexed at all?

Yes, the mail itself is online (and also in the regular text-search index)
Tt doesn't affect single messages only, it is a general problem, but
the message mentioned as example in this thread is
http://www.mail-archive.com/website@libreoffice.org/msg04884.html

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Archived-At: links not working since May 31th?

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi,

Christian Lohmaier wrote on 2011-06-03 15.19:


But also if the link was wrong, there still would be a problem on
their end, as searching Friedrich's mail by using the message-ID
doesn't work either. And with that functionality being missing, the
hash-URLs got no chance (as the msg-id is a crucial part to it -
msg-ids not indexed → direct links not working).


thanks for the update! The mail is visible in the index, though, or 
isn't it indexed at all?



It's forwarded to the mail-archive's discussion list:
http://www.mail-archive.com/gossip@jab.org/msg01397.html

So nothing we can do from our side apart from waiting for a response
(but they're usually pretty fast)


Ok. If the list doesn't help, use themailarch...@gmail.com, where they 
usually reply pretty fast, too.


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Publish list of TDF members

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi André, *.

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Andre Schnabel  wrote:
>
> I updated the list of TDF-members at
> http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/members/
>
> but publication is still pending. Can please someone publish the changes?
>
> Maybe I missed some step in the process, but I wonder why the request for
> publication gets sent to ~7 admins, but nothing happens. :(

Sorry - but as it is mostly admins, and not publishers, the admins
don't consider themselves responsible for everything.

So the right thing to do is either be a publisher yourself - or
nagging people when a page is not published in a timely fashion.

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] about 3.4 download page

[Daniel A. Rodriguez]

>> Hi, I'd like to know how this new download page could be included into
>> spanish subsite.
>
> It is not really new - when you were using the "Download Page" type,
> you would already get the same list of files/the same filtering.
> http://es.libreoffice.org/descarga/ already does this, so I assume you
> were not referring to that part.
>
> What was changed is the explanatory text at the top, and you're free
> to replace it with something else to tell the users that 3.4.0 is not
> for those who want a rock-solid release with no bugs.
>
> See http://website.libreoffice.org/silverstripe/styles-you-can-use/
> for example of styles you could use to highlight the different
> versions - when you want to manually insert the icon (as it is does on
> the download page on the main site currently: the tick is
> /themes/libo/images/tick.png, the exclamation one is
> /themes/libo/images/warning.png , same for information.png and
> error.png .
>
> To get the "Download using Bittorrent" and other strings that are used
> within the page translated, please provide a corresponding list with
> the translations.
> see https://github.com/tdf/cms-code/blob/master/mysite/lang/fi_FI.php
> as an example - the Get Details has the ID DETAILLINK - in case you
> want to translate that as well.
>
> Just send the list of strings to the list, and either I or Erich or
> someone else with filesystem access can add the translation.


Thanks Christian

strings are these ones

# Download using BitTorrent // Descargar usando BitTorrent

# Get details (md5sum,…) // Obtener detalles (md5sum,…)

# Download the source code to build your own installer // Descargar el
código fuente para construir su propio instalador

# Download the SDK for developing extensions and external tools //
Descargar el SDK para desarrollar extensiones y herramientas externas

# Other way to download LibreOffice, the productivity suite // Otras
maneras de descargar LibreOffice, la suite de productividad

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[libreoffice-website] Publish list of TDF members

[Andre Schnabel]

Hi,

I updated the list of TDF-members at
http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/members/

but publication is still pending. Can please someone publish the changes?


Maybe I missed some step in the process, but I wonder why the request for
publication gets sent to ~7 admins, but nothing happens. :(

regards,

André

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Re: [libreoffice-website] conference website

[Christoph Noack]

Hi all,

sorry to step in sooo late, but one remark (and nothing more).

Am Donnerstag, den 02.06.2011, 22:15 +0200 schrieb Christian Lohmaier:
> > Thanks for making this come true!
> 
> Ah, I just did upload it to the site and did create small additions to
> the css - I have to thank you and those people who did actually design
> and create the logo :-) 

The conference date and location stuff looks a bit mixed:
  * Logo: Paris 2011 \n Conference \n 12th-15th October
  * Header: October 12-15 - Paris, France
  * Title: Paris, France \n October 12-15, 2011

Proposal 1:
  * Logo: (keep it)
  * Header: Paris, France \n 12th-15th October, 2011
  * Title: Paris, France \n 12th-15th October, 2011

Proposal 2: Do we _really_ need the same information two times in the
header (logo and header text)? To me, it would be better to just keep
the logo and remove the header text. Or, how about "Official LibreOffice
Conference".

Proposal 3: There is no way back to the official LibreOffice page - how
about using the first appearance of LibreOffice to link to the official
page? ("The first annual  project's ...")

Could somebody pick that up - maybe you, Christian? Thanks in advance!

Cheers,
Christoph

PS: Great logo, great page! You guys rock!!!


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Re: [libreoffice-website] about 3.4 download page

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Daniel, *,

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Daniel A. Rodriguez
 wrote:
> Hi, I'd like to know how this new download page could be included into
> spanish subsite.

It is not really new - when you were using the "Download Page" type,
you would already get the same list of files/the same filtering.
http://es.libreoffice.org/descarga/ already does this, so I assume you
were not referring to that part.

What was changed is the explanatory text at the top, and you're free
to replace it with something else to tell the users that 3.4.0 is not
for those who want a rock-solid release with no bugs.

See http://website.libreoffice.org/silverstripe/styles-you-can-use/
for example of styles you could use to highlight the different
versions - when you want to manually insert the icon (as it is does on
the download page on the main site currently: the tick is
/themes/libo/images/tick.png, the exclamation one is
/themes/libo/images/warning.png , same for information.png and
error.png .

To get the "Download using Bittorrent" and other strings that are used
within the page translated, please provide a corresponding list with
the translations.
see https://github.com/tdf/cms-code/blob/master/mysite/lang/fi_FI.php
as an example - the Get Details has the ID DETAILLINK - in case you
want to translate that as well.

Just send the list of strings to the list, and either I or Erich or
someone else with filesystem access can add the translation.

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Archived-At: links not working since May 31th?

[Christian Lohmaier]

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Florian Effenberger
 wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I missed the plot on this a bit - is this a problem at Mail-Archive or in
> our implementation?

At mail-archive.com

For reference: The algorithm on how to compute the has is here:
http://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html#listserver
i.e. take the msg-id and the list-addres, create a sha1-hash out of it
an url-encode it.

and when applying that to Friedrich's example, I get the same link
that was added to the message.

But also if the link was wrong, there still would be a problem on
their end, as searching Friedrich's mail by using the message-ID
doesn't work either. And with that functionality being missing, the
hash-URLs got no chance (as the msg-id is a crucial part to it -
msg-ids not indexed → direct links not working).

Might be that they disabled the indexing jobs for some other
maintenance or stuff, or it just died because of some bug - no idea...

> Anyone already working on it?

It's forwarded to the mail-archive's discussion list:
http://www.mail-archive.com/gossip@jab.org/msg01397.html

So nothing we can do from our side apart from waiting for a response
(but they're usually pretty fast)

ciao
Christian

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[libreoffice-website] Re: translation of 3.4 page

[Marc Paré]

Hi Takashi

Le 2011-06-03 09:58, Takashi Nakamoto a écrit :

Hi Marc,

 > http://www.libreoffice.org/download/3-4-new-features-and-fixes/

I have one question regarding this page.

Why does "DataPilot" come after "Impress/Draw"? I think it would be
natural if it comes as a part of "Calc feature and fixes". Yet,
"DataPilot" should be replaced by "PivotTable" mechanically in this page.

Best regards,
Takashi Nakamoto



Good point on all of these. The DataPilot section should be moved to the 
end of the Calc section and renamed PivotTable. Maybe we could keep it 
as a section for this version only as the name has been changed and it 
will be easier for users to see the name change.


The localization point about the DataPilot changing name should also be 
moved to the PivotTable section.


Should I go ahead and do this?

Cheers

Marc


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[libreoffice-website] Re: Download page too verbose?

[Marc Paré]

Le 2011-06-03 11:35, Christoph Noack a écrit :

Hi Marc, all!

Am Freitag, den 03.06.2011, 10:00 -0400 schrieb Marc Paré:

If possible, would it be possible to see an example of another
dropdown
menu window on the left hand side of the OS version or we could go to
something like this[1] on the Adobe site. I have made a mockup of my
suggestion[2] with all of the other points incorporated in the image.


Yes, the page is a bit crowded now ... and I'd like to bring up a
proposal made a few days ago:
http://go.mail-archive.com/Z7cGY5OP5jJtA-jgEVa_dmD4Fv4=

More or less...

Am 23.05.2011 15:49, schrieb Christoph Noack:
  >  Mmh, the adopt-o-meter shows it nicely (which is good), but the
  >  decision
  >  itself has to be done by the user (how to select the desired LibO
  >  version, where do I find it, ...).
  >
  >  Can this be somehow aligned with the download selector on the
website?
  >  Something like:
  > * "Official Release, for home and office use" -->   default
  > * "Highly stable, for corporate use"
  > * "Newest Features, for early adopters"
  >
  >  So, the users may decide - but don't need to. And the decision to go
  >  for
  >  (e.g.) stability is directly tied to a certain version - no
additional
  >  lookups.

Cheers,
Christoph




Hi Christoph

Could we not have the adopt-o-meter be the download buttons? Or is this 
what was proposed?


Cheers

Marc


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page too verbose?

[Christoph Noack]

Hi Marc, all!

Am Freitag, den 03.06.2011, 10:00 -0400 schrieb Marc Paré:
> If possible, would it be possible to see an example of another
> dropdown 
> menu window on the left hand side of the OS version or we could go to 
> something like this[1] on the Adobe site. I have made a mockup of my 
> suggestion[2] with all of the other points incorporated in the image. 

Yes, the page is a bit crowded now ... and I'd like to bring up a
proposal made a few days ago:
http://go.mail-archive.com/Z7cGY5OP5jJtA-jgEVa_dmD4Fv4=

More or less...

Am 23.05.2011 15:49, schrieb Christoph Noack:
 > Mmh, the adopt-o-meter shows it nicely (which is good), but the
 > decision
 > itself has to be done by the user (how to select the desired LibO
 > version, where do I find it, ...).
 >
 > Can this be somehow aligned with the download selector on the
website?
 > Something like:
 >* "Official Release, for home and office use" -->  default
 >* "Highly stable, for corporate use"
 >* "Newest Features, for early adopters"
 >
 > So, the users may decide - but don't need to. And the decision to go 
 > for
 > (e.g.) stability is directly tied to a certain version - no
additional
 > lookups.

Cheers,
Christoph


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[libreoffice-website] Download page too verbose?

[Marc Paré]

I am not to sure about the Download page. I find it too verbose. We need 
to make it as simple as possible for users to download our product.


If I were a new user, I would find the page confusing as there are 2 
"Final" choices to pick from and because of this, a new user would have 
to read up on the "look at the release notes" pages to make a decision. 
Most users would come to this page with the simple expectation of 
downloading LibreOffice and not to read up on release notes. They are 
looking for a solid product and normally not an experimental product.


I also think we should review the idea of offering by default the LibO 
3.4 version. IMO, we should be offering the default rock solid 3.3.x 
series rather than the still unproven 3.4 version. People downloading 
the 3.4 version should really be the ones reading up on the release 
notes and the possible list of bugs associated with that version -- they 
would expect to read up on notes to this version.


People downloading the rock-solid 3.3.x should not have to feel like 
they have to make the extra effort at downloading our star product.


We should also replace the "this" in "LibreOffice is distributed under 
this licence." to "LibreOffice is distributed under the LGPL license." 
We need to have people get used to seeing our license in type rather 
than as a suggestion. I would also suggest this sentence being posted 
under the download links. As a resulting effect, this will move the 
whole series of download links up in the window. The link should also 
not open another window/tab and rather stay in the same window -- I 
think this is what is normal W3C behaviour.


If possible, would it be possible to see an example of another dropdown 
menu window on the left hand side of the OS version or we could go to 
something like this[1] on the Adobe site. I have made a mockup of my 
suggestion[2] with all of the other points incorporated in the image.



So IMO we need to:

* change the default download from 3.4 to 3.3.x
* change the "LibreOffice is distributed under this license." to LGPL
* move this licensing sentence below the download links
* add another dropdown window on the left-hand side
* shorten the verbose links for the release notes (as in mockup)

Just my opinion.

Marc

[1] http://get.adobe.com/fr/reader/otherversions/
[2] http://www.parentreprise.com/images/LibreOffice/download3menuwin.png


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: translation of 3.4 page

[Takashi Nakamoto]

Hi Marc,

> http://www.libreoffice.org/download/3-4-new-features-and-fixes/

I have one question regarding this page.

Why does "DataPilot" come after "Impress/Draw"? I think it would be 
natural if it comes as a part of "Calc feature and fixes". Yet, 
"DataPilot" should be replaced by "PivotTable" mechanically in this page.


Best regards,
 Takashi Nakamoto

(2011/06/03 9:29), Marc Paré wrote:

Le 2011-06-02 18:31, Cor Nouws a écrit :

Hi,

Is translation of this page
https://www.libreoffice.org/download/3-4-new-features-and-fixes/
or at least re-use of some content easy?

Thanks,
Cor




Hi Cor

Not sure what you mean?

Marc





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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download pages for two versions

[Takashi Nakamoto]

(2011/06/03 4:07), Christian Lohmaier wrote:

Hi Takashi, *,

On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Takashi Nakamoto
  wrote:

(2011/06/02 8:11), Christian Lohmaier wrote:


I'm glad if someone has a concrete proposal as to how the user would
choose between downloads (what I will do at first is to show both 3.4
and 3.3 versions in the filtered selection, with 3.4 coming first)


If this is technically possible and easy, I love this idea.


yes, it wasn't hard to do.

People pointed out that the 3.4.0 version is to be considered an
early-adopters version, and still has quite some nasty known bugs.
(see 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/3.4#Most_annoying_bugs_in_3.4.0
)

so I added visual indicators (exclamation icon and checkmarck/tick
icon) to the corresponding versions, so that in the text above it can
be pointed out that the 3.4.0 version is not for the business user
that requires 100% stability, etc. (what also the adapt-o-meter idea
shows)

So tell me what you think about this:
http://pumbaa.documentfoundation.org:7780/download/

you can use the box/icon styles shown here:
http://website.libreoffice.org/silverstripe/styles-you-can-use/
to add the corresponding warning/explanations


Although the release has been published, I still want to say this is great.

Best regards,
 Takashi Nakamoto

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[libreoffice-website] about 3.4 download page

[Daniel A. Rodriguez]

Hi, I'd like to know how this new download page could be included into
spanish subsite.

regards.


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Archived-At: links not working since May 31th?

[Florian Effenberger]

Hello,

I missed the plot on this a bit - is this a problem at Mail-Archive or 
in our implementation? Anyone already working on it?


Thanks,
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Our mail addresses are public on mailing lists!

[Florian Effenberger]

Hello,

David VANTYGHEM wrote on 2011-06-03 10.08:

And it's very bad. Our private mail addresses become public on theses
lists, every body can find them with Google, 123people etc. and we will
all be spammed.
You should change it in the mailing list software configuration.


well, we mention this below *EVERY* e-mail and on *EVERY* page where we 
give information on how to subscribe to these lists. If you did not read 
it, this is clearly not our fault.


Apart from that, the screenshot you mailed showed an e-mail by me, I 
cannot see where your address has been made public by it.



Now, I want LibreOffice delete my mail address from all the archive pages.


I can ask our archives to delete it. For that, you need to send me all 
the links from


http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.website
http://www.mail-archive.com/website@libreoffice.org/
http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/

where your mail address has been listed. However, this will *NOT* delete 
your mail from all archives and Google indices, as we cannot influence 
them. In nutshell: It probably causes you and me more work than it helps 
in the end, so it is wasted time.


However, if you insist, send me all the links, and I will see what I can do.

Florian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] translation of 3.4 page

[Cor Nouws]

Christian Lohmaier wrote (03-06-11 02:37)


Copy'n'Paste of the page's sourcecode easy enough?


Yes, I was a bit unsure to what tags to go. But works now.
Thanks,
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Our mail addresses are public on mailing lists!

[David VANTYGHEM]

And it's very bad. Our private mail addresses become public on theses 
lists, every body can find them with Google, 123people etc. and we will 
all be spammed.

You should change it in the mailing list software configuration.
Now, I want LibreOffice delete my mail address from all the archive pages.

Le 03/06/2011 09:58, Gianluca Turconi a écrit :

2011/6/3 David VANTYGHEM


Hello,

Would it be possible to parameter the mailing list correctly, our addresses
are public on them, please see joigned screenshot.


And it's a well advertised "feature":

"Please remember: everything you post to our public mailing lists, including
your e-mail address and any other personal information contained in your
message, will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. So, please do post
wisely"

Source:

Regards,

Gianluca


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Our mail addresses are public on mailing lists!

[Gianluca Turconi]

2011/6/3 David VANTYGHEM 

> Hello,
>
> Would it be possible to parameter the mailing list correctly, our addresses
> are public on them, please see joigned screenshot.
>

And it's a well advertised "feature":

"Please remember: everything you post to our public mailing lists, including
your e-mail address and any other personal information contained in your
message, will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. So, please do post
wisely"

Source: 

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[libreoffice-website] Our mail addresses are public on mailing lists

[David VANTYGHEM]

Hello,

Joined screenshot has been deleted by the mailing list software. So I 
copy it below :





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   * /From/: Florian Effenberger mailto:floeff%40documentfoundation.org>>
   * /Date/: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 18:48:39 +0200
   * /To/: market...@libreoffice.org
 , market...@us.libreoffice.org
 , proje...@libreoffice.org
 


Hello,

it's time to have another marketing conference call. :-) I have added 
some proposals to a Doodle poll - let me know when you have time, so we 
can pick a date:


http://www.doodle.com/ydxwk7sqynvswa99

Looking forward to hearing from you!

Florian

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[libreoffice-website] Our mail addresses are public on mailing lists!

[David VANTYGHEM]

Hello,

Would it be possible to parameter the mailing list correctly, our 
addresses are public on them, please see joigned screenshot.




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