RE: NPP type size?

2003-03-18 Thread Keith Tularaksa
I'm sorry to beat this one to death, but is there a citation for California
stating that the font size has to be 12 pt for NPP?  

Thanks,
Keith Tularaksa
HIPAA Project Manager
Star HRG
(602) 749-7600, ext. 1490
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 -Original Message-
From:   Sherry Neuman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent:   Friday, March 14, 2003 11:29 AM
To: WEDI SNIP Privacy Workgroup List
Subject:RE: NPP type size?

This question was asked recently, and the answer was that in California the
type size must be 12 pt.

Also:
From the final Privacy Regulation Preamble:

Plain Language

As in the proposed rule, we require the notice to be written in plain
language. A covered entity can satisfy the plain language requirement if it
makes a reasonable effort to: organize material to serve the needs of the
reader; write short sentences in the active voice, using ``you'' and other
pronouns; use common, everyday words in sentences; and divide material into
short sections.

[[Page 82549]]

We do not require particular formatting specifications, such as
easy-to-read design features (e.g., lists, tables, graphics, contrasting
colors, and white space), TYPE FACE, AND FONT SIZE. However, the purpose of
the notice is to inform the recipients about their rights and how protected
health information collected about them may be used or disclosed. Recipients
who cannot understand the covered entity's notice will miss important
information about their rights under this rule and about how the covered
entity is protecting health information about them. One of the goals of this
rule is to create an environment of open communication and transparency with
respect to the use and disclosure of protected health information. A lack of
clarity in the notice could undermine this goal and create
misunderstandings. Covered entities have an incentive to make their notice
statements clear and concise. We believe that the more understandable the
notice is, the more confidence the public will have in the covered entity's
commitment to protecting the privacy of health information

and

Comment: We received many comments on the model notice provided in the
proposed ruleA few commenters recommended specific formatting
requirements, such as FONT SIZE OR TYPE.

Response: On the whole, we found commenters' arguments for flexibility
in the regulation more persuasive than those arguing for more
standardization. We agree that a uniform notice would not capture the wide
variation in information practices across covered entities. We therefore do
not include a model notice in the final rule, and do not require inclusion
of specific language in the notice (except for a standard header). We also
do not require particular formatting. We do, however, require the notice to
be written in plain language. (See above for guidance on writing documents
in plain language.) We also agree with commenters that the notice should
contain a standard header to draw the individual's attention to the notice
and facilitate the individual's ability to recognize the notice across
covered entities (emphases added)





-Original Message-
From: Musser, Marilyn J [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 10:16 AM
To: Sherry Neuman; WEDI SNIP Privacy Workgroup List
Subject: RE: NPP type size?


Hi- the body type for our NOPP is 10 pt - see it on our web site:
http://www.wellmark.com/e_business/pdf/T-2601.pdf



Marilyn Musser
Provider Relations Manager
HIPAA-AS Communications Office
Wellmark, Inc.
phone: 515.248.5588
fax: 515.245.4620
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 -Original Message-
From:   Sherry Neuman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent:   Friday, March 14, 2003 10:55 AM
To: WEDI SNIP Privacy Workgroup List
Subject:RE: NPP type size?

Please reply to all.




-Original Message-
From: Beth Cole [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:23 AM
To: WEDI SNIP Privacy Workgroup List
Subject: NPP type size?


I've seen several references on various mailing lists to something said 
at one of the OCR regional conferences regarding the mandated font size 
of the NPP.   What I'm seeing indicates that attendees at the conference 
were told that in order to comply with other Medicare regulations, the 
type size had to be no less than 12 point.

If we take it to 12 point, our NPP is at 8 pages.  If we put it at 
either 9 or 10 point, it's a 4.  So, this is slightly worrisome to us.

Can anyone give me a black-letter law or regulation citation on this, or 
was this someone talking at a conference who didn't know what he was 
talking about?

Thanks!

Beth

-- 
Beth Cole
Information Services Support Specialist
Newman Regional Health
Emporia, Kansas



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RE: NPP type size?

2003-03-18 Thread Sherry Neuman
Title: Message



I cited the response that follows regarding 
12-point type requirements for notices and forms in California. Would you happen 
to have the citation for that?Thanks.-Original Message-From: Stanton, Clark 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 8:27 AMTo: Health 
Information and Technology ListSubject: [hit] RE: Privacy Notice/Font 
SizeI have not seen anything at the federal level. California 
passed a law last year that requires notices and forms given to patients be in 
at least 12 point type.Clark StantonDavis Wright Tremaine LLPSan 
Francisco-Original Message-From: Keith Tularaksa 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 
Tuesday, March 18, 2003 1:26 PMTo: WEDI SNIP Privacy Workgroup 
ListSubject: RE: NPP type size?I'm sorry to beat this one to 
death, but is there a citation for California stating that the font size has to 
be 12 pt for NPP?Thanks,Keith TularaksaHIPAA Project 
ManagerStar HRG(602) 749-7600, ext. 1490email: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original Message-From:  
Sherry Neuman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 11:29 
AMTo: WEDI SNIP Privacy Workgroup 
ListSubject: RE: NPP type 
size?This question was asked recently, and the answer was that in 
California the type size must be 12 pt.Also:From the final Privacy 
Regulation Preamble:"Plain Language As in the 
proposed rule, we require the notice to be written in plain language. A covered 
entity can satisfy the plain language requirement if it makes a reasonable 
effort to: organize material to serve the needs of the reader; write short 
sentences in the active voice, using ``you'' and other pronouns; use common, 
everyday words in sentences; and divide material into short 
sections.[[Page 82549]] We do not require 
particular formatting specifications, such as easy-to-read design features 
(e.g., lists, tables, graphics, contrasting colors, and white space), TYPE FACE, 
AND FONT SIZE. However, the purpose of the notice is to inform the recipients 
about their rights and how protected health information collected about them may 
be used or disclosed. Recipients who cannot understand the covered entity's 
notice will miss important information about their rights under this rule and 
about how the covered entity is protecting health information about them. One of 
the goals of this rule is to create an environment of open communication and 
transparency with respect to the use and disclosure of protected health 
information. A lack of clarity in the notice could undermine this goal and 
create misunderstandings. Covered entities have an incentive to make their 
notice statements clear and concise. We believe that the more understandable the 
notice is, the more confidence the public will have in the covered entity's 
commitment to protecting the privacy of health 
information"and"Comment: We received many comments on the 
model notice provided in the proposed ruleA few commenters recommended 
specific formatting requirements, such as FONT SIZE OR 
TYPE. Response: On the whole, we found commenters' 
arguments for flexibility in the regulation more persuasive than those arguing 
for more standardization. We agree that a uniform notice would not capture the 
wide variation in information practices across covered entities. We therefore do 
not include a model notice in the final rule, and do not require inclusion of 
specific language in the notice (except for a standard header). We also do not 
require particular formatting. We do, however, require the notice to be written 
in plain language. (See above for guidance on writing documents in plain 
language.) We also agree with commenters that the notice should contain a 
standard header to draw the individual's attention to the notice and facilitate 
the individual's ability to recognize the notice across covered entities" 
(emphases added)-Original Message-From: 
Musser, Marilyn J [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 
Friday, March 14, 2003 10:16 AMTo: Sherry Neuman; WEDI SNIP Privacy 
Workgroup ListSubject: RE: NPP type size?Hi- the body type for 
our NOPP is 10 pt - see it on our web site: http://www.wellmark.com/e_business/pdf/T-2601.pdfMarilyn MusserProvider Relations ManagerHIPAA-AS 
Communications OfficeWellmark, Inc.phone: 515.248.5588fax: 
515.245.4620[EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original 
Message-From:  Sherry Neuman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 10:55 
AMTo: WEDI SNIP Privacy Workgroup 
ListSubject: RE: NPP type 
size?Please reply to all.-Original 
Message-From: Beth Cole [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 
Friday, March 14, 2003 7:23 AMTo: WEDI SNIP Privacy Workgroup 
ListSubject: NPP type size?I've seen several references on 
various mailing lists to something saidat one of the OCR regional 
conferences regarding the mandated font sizeof the NPP. What I'm 
seeing indicates that attendees at the conferencewere told that in order to 
comply with other Medicare 

Re: NPP type size?

2003-03-14 Thread William J. Kammerer
You can't prove a negative - I don't believe the Privacy Rule mandates
any particular font size.

9 point is really the smallest human-readable size. 12 point is the
standard at which most folks feel comfortable. 10 point is the absolute
minimum to be taken seriously, though it touches on the preferred size
used in crazy right-wing lunatic screeds (not that I read any of that
stuff, mind you). Unless you're intending to deceive - or hide
something - I would consider a smaller font size unadvisable.

Consider the geriatric crowd in your choice of font. You don't have to
be a senior curmudgeon to be annoyed at tricks and stunts hidden in
teensy font. Shorten your NPP instead, because 8 pages are well beyond
most folks' attention span, anyway - and clearly makes the document
pointless. Keep in mind that executives can't read much beyond one
paragraph with four bulleted points, unless it's some big font book
about Jack Welch sharing his leadership methods.

William J. Kammerer
Novannet, LLC.
Columbus, US-OH 43221-3859
+1 (614) 487-0320

- Original Message -
From: Beth Cole [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WEDI SNIP Privacy Workgroup List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 14 March, 2003 10:23 AM
Subject: NPP type size?


I've seen several references on various mailing lists to something said
at one of the OCR regional conferences regarding the mandated font size
of the NPP.   What I'm seeing indicates that attendees at the conference
were told that in order to comply with other Medicare regulations, the
type size had to be no less than 12 point.

If we take it to 12 point, our NPP is at 8 pages.  If we put it at
either 9 or 10 point, it's a 4.  So, this is slightly worrisome to us.

Can anyone give me a black-letter law or regulation citation on this, or
was this someone talking at a conference who didn't know what he was
talking about?

Thanks!

Beth

--
Beth Cole
Information Services Support Specialist
Newman Regional Health
Emporia, Kansas


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RE: NPP type size?

2003-03-14 Thread Sherry Neuman
Please reply to all.




-Original Message-
From: Beth Cole [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:23 AM
To: WEDI SNIP Privacy Workgroup List
Subject: NPP type size?


I've seen several references on various mailing lists to something said 
at one of the OCR regional conferences regarding the mandated font size 
of the NPP.   What I'm seeing indicates that attendees at the conference 
were told that in order to comply with other Medicare regulations, the 
type size had to be no less than 12 point.

If we take it to 12 point, our NPP is at 8 pages.  If we put it at 
either 9 or 10 point, it's a 4.  So, this is slightly worrisome to us.

Can anyone give me a black-letter law or regulation citation on this, or 
was this someone talking at a conference who didn't know what he was 
talking about?

Thanks!

Beth

-- 
Beth Cole
Information Services Support Specialist
Newman Regional Health
Emporia, Kansas



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RE: NPP type size?

2003-03-14 Thread Musser, Marilyn J
Hi- the body type for our NOPP is 10 pt - see it on our web site:
http://www.wellmark.com/e_business/pdf/T-2601.pdf



Marilyn Musser
Provider Relations Manager
HIPAA-AS Communications Office
Wellmark, Inc.
phone: 515.248.5588
fax: 515.245.4620
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 -Original Message-
From:   Sherry Neuman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent:   Friday, March 14, 2003 10:55 AM
To: WEDI SNIP Privacy Workgroup List
Subject:RE: NPP type size?

Please reply to all.




-Original Message-
From: Beth Cole [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:23 AM
To: WEDI SNIP Privacy Workgroup List
Subject: NPP type size?


I've seen several references on various mailing lists to something said 
at one of the OCR regional conferences regarding the mandated font size 
of the NPP.   What I'm seeing indicates that attendees at the conference 
were told that in order to comply with other Medicare regulations, the 
type size had to be no less than 12 point.

If we take it to 12 point, our NPP is at 8 pages.  If we put it at 
either 9 or 10 point, it's a 4.  So, this is slightly worrisome to us.

Can anyone give me a black-letter law or regulation citation on this, or 
was this someone talking at a conference who didn't know what he was 
talking about?

Thanks!

Beth

-- 
Beth Cole
Information Services Support Specialist
Newman Regional Health
Emporia, Kansas



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RE: NPP type size?

2003-03-14 Thread Patricia Conroe
I can't cite the documentation specifically, but I have been informed by other 
coworkers that Medicare does require a 12 font.  I believe it's for the beneficiary 
notices.  So, although HIPAA does not state you must use a certain font, will you get 
in trouble by Medicare if you don't use 12?  Who knows.

 Musser, Marilyn J [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/14/03 01:16PM 
Hi- the body type for our NOPP is 10 pt - see it on our web site:
http://www.wellmark.com/e_business/pdf/T-2601.pdf 



Marilyn Musser
Provider Relations Manager
HIPAA-AS Communications Office
Wellmark, Inc.
phone: 515.248.5588
fax: 515.245.4620
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 -Original Message-
From:   Sherry Neuman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent:   Friday, March 14, 2003 10:55 AM
To: WEDI SNIP Privacy Workgroup List
Subject:RE: NPP type size?

Please reply to all.




-Original Message-
From: Beth Cole [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:23 AM
To: WEDI SNIP Privacy Workgroup List
Subject: NPP type size?


I've seen several references on various mailing lists to something said 
at one of the OCR regional conferences regarding the mandated font size 
of the NPP.   What I'm seeing indicates that attendees at the conference 
were told that in order to comply with other Medicare regulations, the 
type size had to be no less than 12 point.

If we take it to 12 point, our NPP is at 8 pages.  If we put it at 
either 9 or 10 point, it's a 4.  So, this is slightly worrisome to us.

Can anyone give me a black-letter law or regulation citation on this, or 
was this someone talking at a conference who didn't know what he was 
talking about?

Thanks!

Beth

-- 
Beth Cole
Information Services Support Specialist
Newman Regional Health
Emporia, Kansas



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RE: NPP type size?

2003-03-14 Thread DCampbell
Would anyone know if there is a requirement as to the type of mailing that must be 
used?  I thought I had read that it must be first class mail only.  

Your help is greatly appreciated.

Darlene Campbell
SAMBA Insurance
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: Sherry Neuman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 1:29 PM
To: WEDI SNIP Privacy Workgroup List
Subject: RE: NPP type size?


This question was asked recently, and the answer was that in California the
type size must be 12 pt.

Also:
From the final Privacy Regulation Preamble:

Plain Language

As in the proposed rule, we require the notice to be written in plain
language. A covered entity can satisfy the plain language requirement if it
makes a reasonable effort to: organize material to serve the needs of the
reader; write short sentences in the active voice, using ``you'' and other
pronouns; use common, everyday words in sentences; and divide material into
short sections.

[[Page 82549]]

We do not require particular formatting specifications, such as
easy-to-read design features (e.g., lists, tables, graphics, contrasting
colors, and white space), TYPE FACE, AND FONT SIZE. However, the purpose of
the notice is to inform the recipients about their rights and how protected
health information collected about them may be used or disclosed. Recipients
who cannot understand the covered entity's notice will miss important
information about their rights under this rule and about how the covered
entity is protecting health information about them. One of the goals of this
rule is to create an environment of open communication and transparency with
respect to the use and disclosure of protected health information. A lack of
clarity in the notice could undermine this goal and create
misunderstandings. Covered entities have an incentive to make their notice
statements clear and concise. We believe that the more understandable the
notice is, the more confidence the public will have in the covered entity's
commitment to protecting the privacy of health information

and

Comment: We received many comments on the model notice provided in the
proposed ruleA few commenters recommended specific formatting
requirements, such as FONT SIZE OR TYPE.

Response: On the whole, we found commenters' arguments for flexibility
in the regulation more persuasive than those arguing for more
standardization. We agree that a uniform notice would not capture the wide
variation in information practices across covered entities. We therefore do
not include a model notice in the final rule, and do not require inclusion
of specific language in the notice (except for a standard header). We also
do not require particular formatting. We do, however, require the notice to
be written in plain language. (See above for guidance on writing documents
in plain language.) We also agree with commenters that the notice should
contain a standard header to draw the individual's attention to the notice
and facilitate the individual's ability to recognize the notice across
covered entities (emphases added)





-Original Message-
From: Musser, Marilyn J [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 10:16 AM
To: Sherry Neuman; WEDI SNIP Privacy Workgroup List
Subject: RE: NPP type size?


Hi- the body type for our NOPP is 10 pt - see it on our web site:
http://www.wellmark.com/e_business/pdf/T-2601.pdf



Marilyn Musser
Provider Relations Manager
HIPAA-AS Communications Office
Wellmark, Inc.
phone: 515.248.5588
fax: 515.245.4620
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 -Original Message-
From:   Sherry Neuman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent:   Friday, March 14, 2003 10:55 AM
To: WEDI SNIP Privacy Workgroup List
Subject:RE: NPP type size?

Please reply to all.




-Original Message-
From: Beth Cole [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:23 AM
To: WEDI SNIP Privacy Workgroup List
Subject: NPP type size?


I've seen several references on various mailing lists to something said 
at one of the OCR regional conferences regarding the mandated font size 
of the NPP.   What I'm seeing indicates that attendees at the conference 
were told that in order to comply with other Medicare regulations, the 
type size had to be no less than 12 point.

If we take it to 12 point, our NPP is at 8 pages.  If we put it at 
either 9 or 10 point, it's a 4.  So, this is slightly worrisome to us.

Can anyone give me a black-letter law or regulation citation on this, or 
was this someone talking at a conference who didn't know what he was 
talking about?

Thanks!

Beth

-- 
Beth Cole
Information Services Support Specialist
Newman Regional Health
Emporia, Kansas



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Re: NPP type size?

2003-03-14 Thread Ellen Rubin
When this HIPAA preparation is over someone should write a book - I
nominate William.  Ellen Rubin

Ellen Rubin, RN, BSN
Privacy Coordinator
Box 359738
Harborview Medical Center
Office:   206 731-6048
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- Original Message -
From: William J. Kammerer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: NPP type size?


 You can't prove a negative - I don't believe the Privacy Rule mandates
 any particular font size.

 9 point is really the smallest human-readable size. 12 point is the
 standard at which most folks feel comfortable. 10 point is the absolute
 minimum to be taken seriously, though it touches on the preferred size
 used in crazy right-wing lunatic screeds (not that I read any of that
 stuff, mind you). Unless you're intending to deceive - or hide
 something - I would consider a smaller font size unadvisable.

 Consider the geriatric crowd in your choice of font. You don't have to
 be a senior curmudgeon to be annoyed at tricks and stunts hidden in
 teensy font. Shorten your NPP instead, because 8 pages are well beyond
 most folks' attention span, anyway - and clearly makes the document
 pointless. Keep in mind that executives can't read much beyond one
 paragraph with four bulleted points, unless it's some big font book
 about Jack Welch sharing his leadership methods.

 William J. Kammerer
 Novannet, LLC.
 Columbus, US-OH 43221-3859
 +1 (614) 487-0320

 - Original Message -
 From: Beth Cole [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WEDI SNIP Privacy Workgroup List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, 14 March, 2003 10:23 AM
 Subject: NPP type size?


 I've seen several references on various mailing lists to something said
 at one of the OCR regional conferences regarding the mandated font size
 of the NPP.   What I'm seeing indicates that attendees at the conference
 were told that in order to comply with other Medicare regulations, the
 type size had to be no less than 12 point.

 If we take it to 12 point, our NPP is at 8 pages.  If we put it at
 either 9 or 10 point, it's a 4.  So, this is slightly worrisome to us.

 Can anyone give me a black-letter law or regulation citation on this, or
 was this someone talking at a conference who didn't know what he was
 talking about?

 Thanks!

 Beth

 --
 Beth Cole
 Information Services Support Specialist
 Newman Regional Health
 Emporia, Kansas


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RE: NPP type size?

2003-03-14 Thread Art Schenkman
I second the motion.  All in favor say Aye  (please
don't reply, just kidding)

-Original Message-
From: Ellen Rubin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 1:46 PM
To: WEDI SNIP Privacy Workgroup List
Subject: Re: NPP type size?


When this HIPAA preparation is over someone should write a book - I
nominate William.  Ellen Rubin

Ellen Rubin, RN, BSN
Privacy Coordinator
Box 359738
Harborview Medical Center
Office:   206 731-6048
Fax:  206 731-2097
Page:206 989-1276
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- Original Message -
From: William J. Kammerer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WEDI SNIP Privacy Workgroup List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: NPP type size?


 You can't prove a negative - I don't believe the Privacy Rule mandates
 any particular font size.

 9 point is really the smallest human-readable size. 12 point is the
 standard at which most folks feel comfortable. 10 point is the absolute
 minimum to be taken seriously, though it touches on the preferred size
 used in crazy right-wing lunatic screeds (not that I read any of that
 stuff, mind you). Unless you're intending to deceive - or hide
 something - I would consider a smaller font size unadvisable.

 Consider the geriatric crowd in your choice of font. You don't have to
 be a senior curmudgeon to be annoyed at tricks and stunts hidden in
 teensy font. Shorten your NPP instead, because 8 pages are well beyond
 most folks' attention span, anyway - and clearly makes the document
 pointless. Keep in mind that executives can't read much beyond one
 paragraph with four bulleted points, unless it's some big font book
 about Jack Welch sharing his leadership methods.

 William J. Kammerer
 Novannet, LLC.
 Columbus, US-OH 43221-3859
 +1 (614) 487-0320

 - Original Message -
 From: Beth Cole [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WEDI SNIP Privacy Workgroup List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, 14 March, 2003 10:23 AM
 Subject: NPP type size?


 I've seen several references on various mailing lists to something said
 at one of the OCR regional conferences regarding the mandated font size
 of the NPP.   What I'm seeing indicates that attendees at the conference
 were told that in order to comply with other Medicare regulations, the
 type size had to be no less than 12 point.

 If we take it to 12 point, our NPP is at 8 pages.  If we put it at
 either 9 or 10 point, it's a 4.  So, this is slightly worrisome to us.

 Can anyone give me a black-letter law or regulation citation on this, or
 was this someone talking at a conference who didn't know what he was
 talking about?

 Thanks!

 Beth

 --
 Beth Cole
 Information Services Support Specialist
 Newman Regional Health
 Emporia, Kansas


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RE: NPP type size?

2003-03-14 Thread Karen Williamson
I just want someone to tell me when it's over!

Karen Williamson
Lead System Project Manager
El Paso County Dept. of Health and Environment, CO
719 575-8468 

-Original Message-
From: Art Schenkman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 1:57 PM
To: WEDI SNIP Privacy Workgroup List
Subject: RE: NPP type size?


I second the motion.  All in favor say Aye  (please
don't reply, just kidding)

-Original Message-
From: Ellen Rubin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 1:46 PM
To: WEDI SNIP Privacy Workgroup List
Subject: Re: NPP type size?


When this HIPAA preparation is over someone should write a book - I
nominate William.  Ellen Rubin

Ellen Rubin, RN, BSN
Privacy Coordinator
Box 359738
Harborview Medical Center
Office:   206 731-6048
Fax:  206 731-2097
Page:206 989-1276
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- Original Message -
From: William J. Kammerer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WEDI SNIP Privacy Workgroup List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: NPP type size?


 You can't prove a negative - I don't believe the Privacy Rule mandates
 any particular font size.

 9 point is really the smallest human-readable size. 12 point is the
 standard at which most folks feel comfortable. 10 point is the absolute
 minimum to be taken seriously, though it touches on the preferred size
 used in crazy right-wing lunatic screeds (not that I read any of that
 stuff, mind you). Unless you're intending to deceive - or hide
 something - I would consider a smaller font size unadvisable.

 Consider the geriatric crowd in your choice of font. You don't have to
 be a senior curmudgeon to be annoyed at tricks and stunts hidden in
 teensy font. Shorten your NPP instead, because 8 pages are well beyond
 most folks' attention span, anyway - and clearly makes the document
 pointless. Keep in mind that executives can't read much beyond one
 paragraph with four bulleted points, unless it's some big font book
 about Jack Welch sharing his leadership methods.

 William J. Kammerer
 Novannet, LLC.
 Columbus, US-OH 43221-3859
 +1 (614) 487-0320

 - Original Message -
 From: Beth Cole [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WEDI SNIP Privacy Workgroup List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, 14 March, 2003 10:23 AM
 Subject: NPP type size?


 I've seen several references on various mailing lists to something said
 at one of the OCR regional conferences regarding the mandated font size
 of the NPP.   What I'm seeing indicates that attendees at the conference
 were told that in order to comply with other Medicare regulations, the
 type size had to be no less than 12 point.

 If we take it to 12 point, our NPP is at 8 pages.  If we put it at
 either 9 or 10 point, it's a 4.  So, this is slightly worrisome to us.

 Can anyone give me a black-letter law or regulation citation on this, or
 was this someone talking at a conference who didn't know what he was
 talking about?

 Thanks!

 Beth

 --
 Beth Cole
 Information Services Support Specialist
 Newman Regional Health
 Emporia, Kansas


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RE: NPP type size?

2003-03-14 Thread Marcia Meinert
Maybe you can get by having the official NPP in 10 Font.  Have it state
that there is a large print NPP available upon request.   It wouldn't be
as expensive as having them all made in a larger font.  But it would
certainly accomodate those few patients who may need it a little bit bigger.

-Original Message-
From: Patricia Conroe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 1:06 PM
To: WEDI SNIP Privacy Workgroup List
Subject: RE: NPP type size?


I can't cite the documentation specifically, but I have been informed by
other coworkers that Medicare does require a 12 font.  I believe it's for
the beneficiary notices.  So, although HIPAA does not state you must use a
certain font, will you get in trouble by Medicare if you don't use 12?  Who
knows.

 Musser, Marilyn J [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/14/03 01:16PM 
Hi- the body type for our NOPP is 10 pt - see it on our web site:
http://www.wellmark.com/e_business/pdf/T-2601.pdf



Marilyn Musser
Provider Relations Manager
HIPAA-AS Communications Office
Wellmark, Inc.
phone: 515.248.5588
fax: 515.245.4620
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 -Original Message-
From:   Sherry Neuman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:   Friday, March 14, 2003 10:55 AM
To: WEDI SNIP Privacy Workgroup List
Subject:RE: NPP type size?

Please reply to all.




-Original Message-
From: Beth Cole [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:23 AM
To: WEDI SNIP Privacy Workgroup List
Subject: NPP type size?


I've seen several references on various mailing lists to something said
at one of the OCR regional conferences regarding the mandated font size
of the NPP.   What I'm seeing indicates that attendees at the conference
were told that in order to comply with other Medicare regulations, the
type size had to be no less than 12 point.

If we take it to 12 point, our NPP is at 8 pages.  If we put it at
either 9 or 10 point, it's a 4.  So, this is slightly worrisome to us.

Can anyone give me a black-letter law or regulation citation on this, or
was this someone talking at a conference who didn't know what he was
talking about?

Thanks!

Beth

--
Beth Cole
Information Services Support Specialist
Newman Regional Health
Emporia, Kansas



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