Re: Proposal for despamming the list
On 2002-04-14 05:00 +0200, Hrvoje Niksic wrote: The moderators are informed about each message that awaits moderation; that alert would contain a URL they can visit and approve or reject the mail, at their discretion. The web interface is not necessary. Listar, for instance, just forwards the dubious mails to the moderator. Approving the message is done by replying to listar (actually forwarding to somelist-repost@somedomain, but you get the idea). -- André Majorel [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/
Re: Proposal for despamming the list
On Sun, 2002-04-14 at 10:49, Andre Majorel wrote: The web interface is not necessary. Listar, for instance, just forwards the dubious mails to the moderator. Approving the message is done by replying to listar (actually forwarding to somelist-repost@somedomain, but you get the idea). According to http://comnet.org/lists/ezmanadmin.html#ss2.2 , ezmlm also has the message moderation feature. If one of the moderators replies to the message, it will get accepted and sent to the list subscribers. If none of the moderators reply within 5 days, the message will be rejected.(So no need to reject, it's enough to ignore, though it's possible to explicitly reject a message.) On 2002-04-14 05:00 +0200, Hrvoje Niksic wrote: Writing a filter script is not hard; I can do that. But the real problem is how how to integrate such a script with the mailing list software. Also, it would be nice not to have to write the web interface from scratch. Here is a suggestion how to go about it: 1. Switch from ezmlm to Mailman. Karsten has convinced me to resist the switch so far, but I simply don't see how to avoid it. The big win for Mailman is that it already have a web interface for moderation. If there is a similar thing for ezmlm, we can reconsider this step. According to http://www.ezmlm.org/faq-0.40/FAQ-8.html#ss8.3 there exists a possibility in ezmlm to restrict posts based on the Subject line. But it is just a script - two pipes and grep commands.(The input seems to be the whole message - including the headers.) So perhaps the script should check the message, whether it contains the string wget (case insensitive), but not string wget and if it detects a suspicious message, it should somehow pipe it(send the mail) to the wget-moderators list. The wget-moderators list can of course run any mailing list manager(EZMLM, Mailman, ..), the only allowed poster should be that script, and all approved messages should be forwarded to the wget@sunsite list. Jan Hnila
Re: Proposal for despamming the list
On Sun, 14 Apr 2002, Andre Majorel wrote: The moderators are informed about each message that awaits moderation; that alert would contain a URL they can visit and approve or reject the mail, at their discretion. The web interface is not necessary. Listar, for instance, just forwards the dubious mails to the moderator. Approving the message is done by replying to listar (actually forwarding to somelist-repost@somedomain, but you get the idea). The benefit from using a web interface would be to have one single queue that multiple admins can work on. Having the offending mails mailed to N different admins for approval, will definitely risk them getting approved by multiple admins and thus the system would need to discover and discard the duplicates caused by this. -- Daniel Stenberg - http://daniel.haxx.se - +46-705-44 31 77 ech`echo xiun|tr nu oc|sed 'sx\([sx]\)\([xoi]\)xo un\2\1 is xg'`ol
Re: How about leaving the headers from the spam messages?
Karsten Thygesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hrvoje == Hrvoje Niksic [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hrvoje Alan E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It would be a lot easier to report this shit to SpamCop if the mailing list software didn't strip the incoming headers. Hrvoje I don't know if ezmlm can be made not to strip the headers. Hrvoje Perhaps one of the admins knows if that's possible? It can - I will disable the stripping... Excellent, thanks. How about my other suggestion, i.e. plugging a filter before Mailman? nag, nag :-)
Re: Proposal for despamming the list
Daniel Stenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The web interface is not necessary. Listar, for instance, just forwards the dubious mails to the moderator. Approving the message is done by replying to listar (actually forwarding to somelist-repost@somedomain, but you get the idea). The benefit from using a web interface would be to have one single queue that multiple admins can work on. Exactly. Note, however, that the web interface does not preclude the *alerts* being sent to (multiple) admins.
Re: How about leaving the headers from the spam messages?
Hrvoje == Hrvoje Niksic [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hrvoje How about my other suggestion, i.e. plugging a filter before Hrvoje Mailman? nag, nag :-) I have put a filter before ezmlm (spamassassin). See me previous post to you about that... Karsten
Re: Proposal for despamming the list
Alan == Alan E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alan On Saturday 13 April 2002 23:00, Hrvoje Niksic wrote: 2. Plug the filter script between the local mail delivery agent and Mailman. The filter can add an `X-Moderate-Me-Please' header to the mails that fail the filtering rules. I can implement the filter. Alan I'm using Mail::Spam-Assassin here on my own mail via procmail Alan and it seems to do a pretty good job. Subscriber's addresses Alan could be automatically put on the whitelist to pass w/o Alan question, and then moderation / junking could be chosen based Alan on the value of the spam score. At SunSITE, we have been evaluating spamassassin the last week, and we find it very nice. It is now enabled on the wget list - it will not catch all spam, but hopefully the majority... Karsten
Re: Proposal for despamming the list
Daniel == Daniel Stenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Daniel On Sun, 14 Apr 2002, Andre Majorel wrote: The moderators are informed about each message that awaits moderation; that alert would contain a URL they can visit and approve or reject the mail, at their discretion. The web interface is not necessary. Listar, for instance, just forwards the dubious mails to the moderator. Approving the message is done by replying to listar (actually forwarding to somelist-repost@somedomain, but you get the idea). Daniel The benefit from using a web interface would be to have one Daniel single queue that multiple admins can work on. ezmlm supports that out-of-the-box, but with a mail interface. There will not be sent a duplicate, if a message is approved several times. Anyway - spamassassin is now in place - let's give it a chance before doing radical movements - and I can assure, that ezmlm is far more mature and stable than Mailman - we (sunsite) have been running both systems for years, and there is no doubt about, which type we recommends! Karsten
APPEL AU PEUPLE FRANCAIS
Appel au peuple francais OUVREZ LES YEUX ! Il ne s'ecoule plus un jour en France sans que les media ne relatent des evenements qui auraient ete inimaginables il y a seulement vingt ans dans notre pays : emeutes et insurrection dans les cites, incendies volontaires de voitures, caillassages d'autobus et de vehicules de police, attaques physiques violentes contre les personnes et les biens, batailles rangees entre bandes armees et forces de l'ordre, assassinats d'ediles municipaux, rixes et lynchages en plein jour dans nos rues, attaque et destruction de lieux de culte israelites... Les attentats a l'explosif ou a l'arme lourde (fusil d'assaut, lance-roquettes, grenade incendiaire ou explosive) diriges contre les civils ou contre les commissariats sont de plus en plus frequents (Beziers, Toulouse, Barr, Vitry-sur-Seine, Clichy-la-Garenne). Simple crise d'identite de jeunes en manque de reperes, victimes du fameux malaise des banlieues et de l'exclusion de fait de la societe francaise raciste, comme le martelent depuis des annees les sociologues professionnels et les hommes politiques francais, ou bien debut d'un veritable processus de guerilla urbaine fonde sur la haine de la France ? A vous de juger... Parallelement a cette explosion sans precedent de la violence urbaine, la barbarie s'installe : les viols en reunion, les tournantes, les meurtres, les crimes barbares de degeneres se multiplient dans les banlieues francaises. Recemment une adolescente de treize ans a ete violee et prostituee pendant plusieurs mois par une bande de jeunes a Roubaix. Le 4 avril a Chalons-en-Champagne, une mere de famille de 36 ans vivant seule avec sa fille a ete violee et torturee par cinq jeunes qui se sont introduits par la force dans son appartement. Etc etc. Une immense liste de faits divers dont les medias ne vous parlent que tres rarement. Nous poserons quatre questions : 1) Tout le monde voit bien que les fauteurs de troubles sont en grande majorite afro-arabes. Pourquoi les media, qui le voient eux aussi, refusent-ils de le dire et preferent-ils parler de jeunes dont ils minimisent les actes ? 2) Pourquoi les tribunaux francais rendent-ils une justice discriminatoire en faveur des delinquants et des criminels immigres, ces jeunes qui sont excuses, acquittes, relaches au mepris des lois pourtant votees au nom du peuple francais ? 3) Pourquoi les pouvoirs publics francais ont-ils encourage pendant des annees l'implantation de colons afro-arabes qui menacent aujourd'hui l'unite nationale, la securite interieure et la paix civile ? 4) Pourquoi le concept d' anti-racisme, veritable preference ethnique et culturelle etrangere, a-t-il ete erige en dogme par le pouvoir en place ? Aujourd'hui, malheur au citoyen francais qui exprime son hostilite a la politique d'immigration d'Etat, qui met en garde ses compatriotes contre les dangers de l'islam, qui ne veut pas voir disparaitre sa culture et ses traditions: il sera lourdement condamne par les tribunaux francais. Il n'est pas contestable que l'Etat francais a trahi son devoir et sa mission de defense du Peuple Francais et qu'en choisissant le camp de l'occupant afro-arabe, il se comporte en parfait collaborateur de l'invasion etrangere. A l'heure ou le reveil de l'islam fait courir de tres graves dangers aux democraties occidentales, menacees par le terrorisme, la guerre civile ethnique et la submersion-colonisation par les masses du Tiers-Monde, il n'est pas trop tard pour ouvrir les yeux. Mais n'attendez rien des elections ni de nos hommes politiques qui, depuis 20 ans, ont contribue lentement mais surement a laisser s'installer la situation actuelle. Puisque l'Etat collaborateur travaille main dans la main avec l'occupant et la racaille immigree, c'est a nous, Peuple Francais, d'organiser la Resistance Francaise pour permettre un jour, nous l'esperons, la Reconquete de la France.
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Re: Extend timeout to DNS lookups
On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 04:20:58AM +0200, Hrvoje Niksic wrote: As suggested by Alan E, this patch extends the meaning of timeout to include DNS lookups. After this patch, I can't think of any network operation still allowed to take more than the specified timeout period. Cool. Thanks. That's gonna save a lot of complaints and bug reports, and make for more satisfied customers. Is the automatic subscription payment code about ready? Hehehe. -- AlanE
