Re: [whatwg] Fwd: Remarks on HTML5 (ASCII / Unicode)
On Sat, 4 Apr 2009, Innovimax SARL wrote: In 2.3 Case-sensitivity and string comparison Please replace Converting a string to uppercase and Converting a string to lowercase by respectively Converting a string to uppercase ASCII and Converting a string to lowercase ASCII Done. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'
Re: [whatwg] Fwd: Remarks on HTML5 (ASCII / Unicode)
Thanks, Ian ! On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Sat, 4 Apr 2009, Innovimax SARL wrote: In 2.3 Case-sensitivity and string comparison Please replace Converting a string to uppercase and Converting a string to lowercase by respectively Converting a string to uppercase ASCII and Converting a string to lowercase ASCII Done. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' -- Innovimax SARL Consulting, Training XML Development 9, impasse des Orteaux 75020 Paris Tel : +33 9 52 475787 Fax : +33 1 4356 1746 http://www.innovimax.fr RCS Paris 488.018.631 SARL au capital de 10.000 €
Re: [whatwg] Fwd: Remarks on HTML5 (ASCII / Unicode)
On Sat, 4 Apr 2009, Kristof Zelechovski wrote: It seems that getting the element name is not covered at all, it is a core interface, so definitions in the HTML specification do not apply. I don't know what this is in reference to. Could you elaborate on what change to the spec you would like? -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'
Re: [whatwg] Fwd: Remarks on HTML5 (ASCII / Unicode)
On Jun 3, 2009, at 09:45, Ian Hickson wrote: On Sat, 4 Apr 2009, Innovimax SARL wrote: In 2.3 Case-sensitivity and string comparison Please replace Converting a string to uppercase and Converting a string to lowercase by respectively Converting a string to uppercase ASCII and Converting a string to lowercase ASCII Done. Please fix the terminology under Writing HTML documents to match. -- Henri Sivonen hsivo...@iki.fi http://hsivonen.iki.fi/
Re: [whatwg] Fwd: Remarks on HTML5 (ASCII / Unicode)
The definition of uppercasing in HTML does not apply to element names because getting them is covered by the DOM specification and not by the HTML specification. This is all right with me; I only think that saying to uppercase ASCII explicitly is not necessary. Chris
Re: [whatwg] Fwd: Remarks on HTML5 (ASCII / Unicode)
I suppose that converting a string to uppercase is an action relevant only to cases where only ASCII character set is allowed in the argument, such as HTML element names. Within this restricted application domain, converting to uppercase has the same effect as converting to uppercase ASCII. IMHO, Chris
Re: [whatwg] Fwd: Remarks on HTML5 (ASCII / Unicode)
Well that could be a good answer indeed Now let's try to dig into the subtilties on Unicode For example what does the spec says about an attribute whose name is data-K (where we have this unicode sequence U+0064 U+0061 U+0074 U+0061 U+002D U+212A ) ? Is it allowed ? If not why ? That's why I think everywhere in the spec, where ASCII is meant, it should be explicit. If not it would clash with a Unicode understanding IMHO Mohamed On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Kristof Zelechovski giecr...@stegny.2a.plwrote: I suppose that converting a string to uppercase is an action relevant only to cases where only ASCII character set is allowed in the argument, such as HTML element names. Within this restricted application domain, converting to uppercase has the same effect as converting to uppercase ASCII. IMHO, Chris -- Innovimax SARL Consulting, Training XML Development 9, impasse des Orteaux 75020 Paris Tel : +33 9 52 475787 Fax : +33 1 4356 1746 http://www.innovimax.fr RCS Paris 488.018.631 SARL au capital de 10.000 €
Re: [whatwg] Fwd: Remarks on HTML5 (ASCII / Unicode)
data-* attributes allow XML name characters and they are converted to lower case in HTML (ASCII, AIUI). BTW, editorial correction for 3.3.3.8 http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/dom.html#embedd ing-custom-non-visible-data : should be its name contains no characters in the range (because an attribute contains its value). Chris
Re: [whatwg] Fwd: Remarks on HTML5 (ASCII / Unicode)
An attribute named data-K is allowed.
Re: [whatwg] Fwd: Remarks on HTML5 (ASCII / Unicode)
Well again it depends if you read the spec with an ASCII point of view or a Unicode point of view If I read carefully the spec, it is explicitly said that [[ 3.3.3.8 Embedding custom non-visible data A custom data attribute is an attribute whose name starts with the string data-, has at least one character after the hyphen, is XML-compatible, has no namespace, and contains no characters in the range U+0041 .. U+005A (LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A .. LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Z). ]] So This sequence is allowed data-K (where we have this unicode sequence U+0064 U+0061 U+0074 U+0061 U+002D U+212A ) but the following one is NOT data-K (where we have this unicode sequence U+0064 U+0061 U+0074 U+0061 U+002D U+004B ) ? That's why I was asking this question in particular Mohamed On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Kristof Zelechovski giecr...@stegny.2a.plwrote: An attribute named data-K is allowed. -- Innovimax SARL Consulting, Training XML Development 9, impasse des Orteaux 75020 Paris Tel : +33 9 52 475787 Fax : +33 1 4356 1746 http://www.innovimax.fr RCS Paris 488.018.631 SARL au capital de 10.000 €
Re: [whatwg] Fwd: Remarks on HTML5 (ASCII / Unicode)
On Sat, 04 Apr 2009 10:06:55 +0200, Kristof Zelechovski giecr...@stegny.2a.pl wrote: I suppose that converting a string to uppercase is an action relevant only to cases where only ASCII character set is allowed in the argument, such as HTML element names. Within this restricted application domain, converting to uppercase has the same effect as converting to uppercase ASCII. That's not true. You can get Unicode characters in HTML element names. (You still want to lowercase only the ASCII characters though.) -- Anne van Kesteren http://annevankesteren.nl/
Re: [whatwg] Fwd: Remarks on HTML5 (ASCII / Unicode)
Sorry, I don't see the answer to my question here ! On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Kristof Zelechovski giecr...@stegny.2a.plwrote: data-* attributes allow XML name characters and they are converted to lower case in HTML (ASCII, AIUI). BTW, editorial correction for 3.3.3.8http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/dom.html#embedding-custom-non-visible-data: should be “*its name* contains no characters in the range” (because an attribute contains its value). Chris -- Innovimax SARL Consulting, Training XML Development 9, impasse des Orteaux 75020 Paris Tel : +33 9 52 475787 Fax : +33 1 4356 1746 http://www.innovimax.fr RCS Paris 488.018.631 SARL au capital de 10.000 €
Re: [whatwg] Fwd: Remarks on HTML5 (ASCII / Unicode)
It seems that getting the element name is not covered at all, it is a core interface, so definitions in the HTML specification do not apply. Chris
