Re: [whatwg] Removal off Ogg technology

2007-12-11 Thread Geoffrey Sneddon


On 11 Dec 2007, at 15:33, Wilson Michaels wrote:


In reference to:
http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=1142to=1143

I am a retired software developer who is outraged that Ogg
technology has been removed from HTML5. It must be
reinstated as a should option so that the world is not
held hostage to proprietary implementations of media
technologies. Proprietary technologies eventually are used
to limit inovation and prevent entry of other thechnologies
that threaten the proprietary company in some way. We don't
need another MP3 fiasco.


What difference is there between a SHOULD that few, if any, major  
companies implement, and one that doesn't exist? The spec will never  
recommend any format that cannot be freely (as in beer) be implemented  
safely by developers (i.e., without risking being sued). Also, MP3 is  
not a proprietary standard: you can go out and buy a copy of the spec  
if you wish, and pay any patent charges due. You still, as with  
anything invented within the last 20 years (including Ogg/Vorbis/ 
Theora), run the risk of a submarine patents.



--
Geoffrey Sneddon
http://gsnedders.com/



Re: [whatwg] Removal off Ogg technology

2007-12-11 Thread alex
The difference with the should is that the browsers who support 
standards will support ogg natively. The fact that big companies like 
nokia etc don't actually use OGG is less my concern, it's more about the 
free developers knowing that ogg will be supported at the users' end.


Patents is less my area of expertise as I am (luckily) a resident of the 
EU, but this whole submarine patent bussiness has got me thinking that 
America better clean up ship quickly.


Geoffrey Sneddon wrote:


On 11 Dec 2007, at 15:33, Wilson Michaels wrote:


In reference to:
http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=1142to=1143

I am a retired software developer who is outraged that Ogg
technology has been removed from HTML5. It must be
reinstated as a should option so that the world is not
held hostage to proprietary implementations of media
technologies. Proprietary technologies eventually are used
to limit inovation and prevent entry of other thechnologies
that threaten the proprietary company in some way. We don't
need another MP3 fiasco.


What difference is there between a SHOULD that few, if any, major 
companies implement, and one that doesn't exist? The spec will never 
recommend any format that cannot be freely (as in beer) be implemented 
safely by developers (i.e., without risking being sued). Also, MP3 is 
not a proprietary standard: you can go out and buy a copy of the spec 
if you wish, and pay any patent charges due. You still, as with 
anything invented within the last 20 years (including 
Ogg/Vorbis/Theora), run the risk of a submarine patents.



--
Geoffrey Sneddon
http://gsnedders.com/