Re: [Wicket-user] License for CMS (components)

2006-10-05 Thread Johan Compagner
can they really do that?I think you can make a close source project on top of it. But shouldn't the wicket part, that is written by all of us, still be open? johan
On 9/26/06, Martijn Dashorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is true that a company can take the source code and make it closedand sell it with a new label when using Apache license. Personally Idon't mind and there are a lot of people that don't mind either.The problem with taking the ASL product, rebrand it and market it is
that the product will always be behind what the free version provides,as long as the community is active and participating.I don't consider GPL or LGPL to be evil, they are just not my cup of tea.Martijn
On 9/26/06, Che Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Martijn, Well said - I did not think about that. And agreed, you might very well
 run into that problem. I admit that I have not had a thorough look at the Apache license but only 'read over it' and found it to be too 'open' for my liking: if you use an Apache-d software, you can keep the whole source secret, you can
 have it all open source, whatever. :) On the other hand, is it not true that Apache 2 is compatible with GPL? *mental note: read Apache and Apache 2 again* // Che
  -Original Message-  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [mailto:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf  Of Martijn Dashorst  Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 2:32 PM  To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net
  Subject: Re: [Wicket-user] License for CMS (components)   I'm very biased against LGPL. The letter of the license is not  applicable for Java use, and LGPL is strongly at odds with Apache
  license. If at some time we would like to adopt such components when  we arrive at Apache, then this will prohibit reusing any code from  this project.   I'm in favor of Apache 2, since that is what most Wicket projects are
  based on. I would use a license that is at least compatible with  Apache.   Martijn   On 9/26/06, Che Schneider 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Hi, My vote goes to LGPL: not as restrictive as GPL but  preserves the gist   of it. :)  
   // Che  -Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On BehalfOf Ted Roeloffzen
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 2:13 PMTo: wicket-userSubject: [Wicket-user] License for CMS (components)   Hello all,
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Re: [Wicket-user] License for CMS (components)

2006-10-05 Thread Upayavira
Johan Compagner wrote:
 can they really do that?
 
 I think you can make a close source project on top of it.
 But shouldn't the wicket part, that is written by all of us, still be open?

Someone can take ASL licensed code, and make a closed source project 
from it. They cannot use the Wicket name, but they can say based upon 
Wicket.

They can't stop the Wicket code from being distributed, though. And they 
presumably can't stop the Wicket committers from being those who know 
the code the best.

Upayavira

 On 9/26/06, *Martijn Dashorst* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 It is true that a company can take the source code and make it closed
 and sell it with a new label when using Apache license. Personally I
 don't mind and there are a lot of people that don't mind either.
 
 The problem with taking the ASL product, rebrand it and market it is
 that the product will always be behind what the free version provides,
 as long as the community is active and participating.
 
 I don't consider GPL or LGPL to be evil, they are just not my cup of
 tea.
 
 Martijn
 
 On 9/26/06, Che Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Hi Martijn,
  
   Well said - I did not think about that. And agreed, you might
 very well
   run into that problem.
   I admit that I have not had a thorough look at the Apache license but
   only 'read over it' and found it to be too 'open' for my liking:
 if you
   use an Apache-d software, you can keep the whole source secret,
 you can
   have it all open source, whatever. :)
  
   On the other hand, is it not true that Apache 2 is compatible
 with GPL?
   *mental note: read Apache and Apache 2 again*
  
   // Che
  
  
  
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf
Of Martijn Dashorst
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 2:32 PM
To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net
 mailto:wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Wicket-user] License for CMS (components)
   
I'm very biased against LGPL. The letter of the license is not
applicable for Java use, and LGPL is strongly at odds with Apache
license. If at some time we would like to adopt such components
 when
we arrive at Apache, then this will prohibit reusing any code from
this project.
   
I'm in favor of Apache 2, since that is what most Wicket
 projects are
based on. I would use a license that is at least compatible with
Apache.
   
Martijn
   
On 9/26/06, Che Schneider  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 My vote goes to LGPL: not as restrictive as GPL but
preserves the gist
 of it. :)

 // Che





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 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf
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  Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 2:13 PM
  To: wicket-user
  Subject: [Wicket-user] License for CMS (components)
 
  Hello all,
 
  We are going to create a Wicket CMS and/or CMS Components,
  but we are not sure under which license to do this. Which
  license would you prefer? BSD, Apache, (L)GPL or another one?
 
  greets,
 
  Ted
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Re: [Wicket-user] License for CMS (components)

2006-10-05 Thread Philip A. Chapman




Johan,

It would still remain open. Think of the closed-source version as a branch of the open-source software that is maintained by that un-named company. Of course, they'd have to deal with the headache of keeping their own branch updated with the latest patches and such (or just go their own route and now worry about the original OS software's changes). If I where such a company, I think I'd rather try to build a business model around the OS software than trying to constantly keep my own branch of an OS project up to date with changes.

On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 23:12 +0200, Johan Compagner wrote:

can they really do that?

I think you can make a close source project on top of it. 
But shouldn't the wicket part, that is written by all of us, still be open? 

johan




On 9/26/06, Martijn Dashorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

It is true that a company can take the source code and make it closed
and sell it with a new label when using Apache license. Personally I
don't mind and there are a lot of people that don't mind either.

The problem with taking the ASL product, rebrand it and market it is 
that the product will always be behind what the free version provides,
as long as the community is active and participating.

I don't consider GPL or LGPL to be evil, they are just not my cup of tea.

Martijn 

On 9/26/06, Che Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Martijn,

 Well said - I did not think about that. And agreed, you might very well 
 run into that problem.
 I admit that I have not had a thorough look at the Apache license but
 only 'read over it' and found it to be too 'open' for my liking: if you
 use an Apache-d software, you can keep the whole source secret, you can 
 have it all open source, whatever. :)

 On the other hand, is it not true that Apache 2 is compatible with GPL?
 *mental note: read Apache and Apache 2 again*

 // Che



  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf
  Of Martijn Dashorst
  Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 2:32 PM
  To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net
  Subject: Re: [Wicket-user] License for CMS (components)
 
  I'm very biased against LGPL. The letter of the license is not
  applicable for Java use, and LGPL is strongly at odds with Apache 
  license. If at some time we would like to adopt such components when
  we arrive at Apache, then this will prohibit reusing any code from
  this project.
 
  I'm in favor of Apache 2, since that is what most Wicket projects are 
  based on. I would use a license that is at least compatible with
  Apache.
 
  Martijn
 
  On 9/26/06, Che Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Hi,
  
   My vote goes to LGPL: not as restrictive as GPL but
  preserves the gist
   of it. :)
   
   // Che
  
  
  
  
  
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf
Of Ted Roeloffzen 
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 2:13 PM
To: wicket-user
Subject: [Wicket-user] License for CMS (components)
   
Hello all, 
   
We are going to create a Wicket CMS and/or CMS Components,
but we are not sure under which license to do this. Which
license would you prefer? BSD, Apache, (L)GPL or another one? 
   
greets,
   
Ted
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Re: [Wicket-user] License for CMS (components)

2006-10-05 Thread Ted Roeloffzen
We want to keep it open source, but there are so many different licenses to choose from.TedOn 10/3/06, Johan Compagner 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:can they really do that?I think you can make a close source project on top of it. 
But shouldn't the wicket part, that is written by all of us, still be open? johan
On 9/26/06, Martijn Dashorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

It is true that a company can take the source code and make it closedand sell it with a new label when using Apache license. Personally Idon't mind and there are a lot of people that don't mind either.The problem with taking the ASL product, rebrand it and market it is
that the product will always be behind what the free version provides,as long as the community is active and participating.I don't consider GPL or LGPL to be evil, they are just not my cup of tea.
Martijn
On 9/26/06, Che Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Martijn,
 Well said - I did not think about that. And agreed, you might very well
 run into that problem. I admit that I have not had a thorough look at the Apache license but only 'read over it' and found it to be too 'open' for my liking: if you use an Apache-d software, you can keep the whole source secret, you can
 have it all open source, whatever. :) On the other hand, is it not true that Apache 2 is compatible with GPL? *mental note: read Apache and Apache 2 again* // Che

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf  Of Martijn Dashorst  Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 2:32 PM  To: 
wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net
  Subject: Re: [Wicket-user] License for CMS (components)   I'm very biased against LGPL. The letter of the license is not  applicable for Java use, and LGPL is strongly at odds with Apache
  license. If at some time we would like to adopt such components when  we arrive at Apache, then this will prohibit reusing any code from  this project.   I'm in favor of Apache 2, since that is what most Wicket projects are
  based on. I would use a license that is at least compatible with  Apache.   Martijn   On 9/26/06, Che Schneider 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Hi, My vote goes to LGPL: not as restrictive as GPL but  preserves the gist   of it. :)  
   // Che  -Original Message-From: 

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Re: [Wicket-user] License for CMS (components)

2006-09-26 Thread Che Schneider
Hi Martijn,

Well said - I did not think about that. And agreed, you might very well
run into that problem.
I admit that I have not had a thorough look at the Apache license but
only 'read over it' and found it to be too 'open' for my liking: if you
use an Apache-d software, you can keep the whole source secret, you can
have it all open source, whatever. :)

On the other hand, is it not true that Apache 2 is compatible with GPL?
*mental note: read Apache and Apache 2 again*

// Che

 

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf 
 Of Martijn Dashorst
 Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 2:32 PM
 To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: Re: [Wicket-user] License for CMS (components)
 
 I'm very biased against LGPL. The letter of the license is not
 applicable for Java use, and LGPL is strongly at odds with Apache
 license. If at some time we would like to adopt such components when
 we arrive at Apache, then this will prohibit reusing any code from
 this project.
 
 I'm in favor of Apache 2, since that is what most Wicket projects are
 based on. I would use a license that is at least compatible with
 Apache.
 
 Martijn
 
 On 9/26/06, Che Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi,
 
  My vote goes to LGPL: not as restrictive as GPL but 
 preserves the gist
  of it. :)
 
  // Che
 
 
 
 
 
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   Subject: [Wicket-user] License for CMS (components)
  
   Hello all,
  
   We are going to create a Wicket CMS and/or CMS Components,
   but we are not sure under which license to do this. Which
   license would you prefer? BSD, Apache, (L)GPL or another one?
  
   greets,
  
   Ted
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[Wicket-user] License for CMS (components)

2006-09-26 Thread Ted Roeloffzen
Hello all,We are going to create a Wicket CMS and/or CMS Components, but we are not sure under which license to do this. Which license would you prefer? BSD, Apache, (L)GPL or another one?greets,Ted

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Re: [Wicket-user] License for CMS (components)

2006-09-26 Thread Erik van Oosten
HOWTO: Pick an open source license
http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=40946

Regards,
 Erik.

Ted Roeloffzen schreef:
 Hello all,

 We are going to create a Wicket CMS and/or CMS Components, but we are 
 not sure under which license to do this. Which license would you 
 prefer? BSD, Apache, (L)GPL or another one?

 greets,

 Ted

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Re: [Wicket-user] License for CMS (components)

2006-09-26 Thread Che Schneider
Hi,

My vote goes to LGPL: not as restrictive as GPL but preserves the gist
of it. :)

// Che





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Re: [Wicket-user] License for CMS (components)

2006-09-26 Thread Martijn Dashorst
It is true that a company can take the source code and make it closed
and sell it with a new label when using Apache license. Personally I
don't mind and there are a lot of people that don't mind either.

The problem with taking the ASL product, rebrand it and market it is
that the product will always be behind what the free version provides,
as long as the community is active and participating.

I don't consider GPL or LGPL to be evil, they are just not my cup of tea.

Martijn

On 9/26/06, Che Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Martijn,

 Well said - I did not think about that. And agreed, you might very well
 run into that problem.
 I admit that I have not had a thorough look at the Apache license but
 only 'read over it' and found it to be too 'open' for my liking: if you
 use an Apache-d software, you can keep the whole source secret, you can
 have it all open source, whatever. :)

 On the other hand, is it not true that Apache 2 is compatible with GPL?
 *mental note: read Apache and Apache 2 again*

 // Che



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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
  Of Martijn Dashorst
  Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 2:32 PM
  To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net
  Subject: Re: [Wicket-user] License for CMS (components)
 
  I'm very biased against LGPL. The letter of the license is not
  applicable for Java use, and LGPL is strongly at odds with Apache
  license. If at some time we would like to adopt such components when
  we arrive at Apache, then this will prohibit reusing any code from
  this project.
 
  I'm in favor of Apache 2, since that is what most Wicket projects are
  based on. I would use a license that is at least compatible with
  Apache.
 
  Martijn
 
  On 9/26/06, Che Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Hi,
  
   My vote goes to LGPL: not as restrictive as GPL but
  preserves the gist
   of it. :)
  
   // Che
  
  
  
  
  
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We are going to create a Wicket CMS and/or CMS Components,
but we are not sure under which license to do this. Which
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greets,
   
Ted
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Re: [Wicket-user] License for CMS (components)

2006-09-26 Thread Justin Lee
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Agreed.  Apache or BSD is my vote.  I'm much less likely to use anything
under the (L)GPL license.  IMNSHO, that the LGPL preserves the gist of
the GPL isn't a good a thing.  ;)

Martijn Dashorst wrote:
 I'm very biased against LGPL. The letter of the license is not
 applicable for Java use, and LGPL is strongly at odds with Apache
 license. If at some time we would like to adopt such components when
 we arrive at Apache, then this will prohibit reusing any code from
 this project.
 
 I'm in favor of Apache 2, since that is what most Wicket projects are
 based on. I would use a license that is at least compatible with
 Apache.
 
 Martijn
 
 On 9/26/06, Che Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 My vote goes to LGPL: not as restrictive as GPL but preserves the gist
 of it. :)

 // Che





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 Hello all,

 We are going to create a Wicket CMS and/or CMS Components,
 but we are not sure under which license to do this. Which
 license would you prefer? BSD, Apache, (L)GPL or another one?

 greets,

 Ted
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Re: [Wicket-user] License for CMS (components)

2006-09-26 Thread Martijn Dashorst
I'm very biased against LGPL. The letter of the license is not
applicable for Java use, and LGPL is strongly at odds with Apache
license. If at some time we would like to adopt such components when
we arrive at Apache, then this will prohibit reusing any code from
this project.

I'm in favor of Apache 2, since that is what most Wicket projects are
based on. I would use a license that is at least compatible with
Apache.

Martijn

On 9/26/06, Che Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 My vote goes to LGPL: not as restrictive as GPL but preserves the gist
 of it. :)

 // Che





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  Subject: [Wicket-user] License for CMS (components)
 
  Hello all,
 
  We are going to create a Wicket CMS and/or CMS Components,
  but we are not sure under which license to do this. Which
  license would you prefer? BSD, Apache, (L)GPL or another one?
 
  greets,
 
  Ted
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