Re: [Wicket-user] Wicket arguments for big slow companies (Was:links about wicket scalability...)
Hehe, I espcially agree to the unlearning effect. Had a hard time getting used to the fact that wicket controls what are selected in a component... Regards Nino -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eelco Hillenius Sent: 26. september 2006 13:12 To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Wicket-user] Wicket arguments for big slow companies (Was:links about wicket scalability...) * Very small learning curve. Comment: Agreed. But I still think you need at least one more experienced Wicket developers for more advanced things like manipulating html generated by other components. Of course, books like 'Pro Wicket' help a lot but are not for every programmer. I'm not even sure whether I agree :) Wicket can be hard for people that are not comfortable with OO programming. If all you've learned so far is coding PHP, JSP or RoR will be much easier to pick up. Also, for people who have done a bunch of projects with web MVC frameworks like Struts, there is what Howard Lewis Ship (Tapestry) calls the 'unlearning effect'. Wicket probably *is* very easy to learn for programmers that are experienced OO programmers, did a lot of Swing/ SWT/ ... desktop applications, or weren't doing too much UI before. Also, I think Wicket is the best of all web frameworks to learn for programmers who are now learning the trade. It's just Java and just HTML instead of yet another DSL, and imo there's not much that will encourage bad programming practices. I also thought about: * Good support for modern web pages (AJAX), while being compatible with older browsers. But this one is I am afraid not good enough. For example FireFox 1.0 is not supported. This is not inherently true for the framework though. We provide a convenience implementation for Ajax, which can be used with other implementations (Dojo, scriptaculous, your own, ...). I think a strong feature of Wicket is that you can create you custom components, including any Ajax support you want for them, without too much trouble. Eelco - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
Re: [Wicket-user] Wicket arguments for big slow companies (Was:links about wicket scalability...)
I prefer saying 'Just Java', which means the same (kind of), but sounds a bit nicer and has a broader application :) Eelco On 9/26/06, Ryan Sonnek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't forget my *favorite* selling point of wicket... * NO XML!!! - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
Re: [Wicket-user] Wicket arguments for big slow companies (Was:links about wicket scalability...)
I never liked HTML, PHP and everything related to GUI programming. Finding a Framework like Wicket that let me do all my trick in Java and never have to tweak html and CSS make me so happy, you can't understand. And the learning curve was not that hard. I begin Wicket in my new Job and after 1 week, I was at creating new Panel and delivering new stuff. MarcOn 9/26/06, Nino Wael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hehe, I espcially agree to the unlearning effect. Had a hard time getting used to the fact that wicket controls what are selected in a component...Regards Nino-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Eelco HilleniusSent: 26. september 2006 13:12 To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.netSubject: Re: [Wicket-user] Wicket arguments for big slow companies (Was:links about wicket scalability...) * Very small learning curve. Comment: Agreed. But I still think you need at least one more experienced Wicket developers for more advanced things like manipulating html generated by other components. Of course, books like 'Pro Wicket' help a lot but are not for every programmer.I'm not even sure whether I agree :) Wicket can be hard for peoplethat are not comfortable with OO programming. If all you've learned so far is coding PHP, JSP or RoR will be much easier to pick up. Also,for people who have done a bunch of projects with web MVC frameworkslike Struts, there is what Howard Lewis Ship (Tapestry) calls the'unlearning effect'. Wicket probably *is* very easy to learn for programmers that areexperienced OO programmers, did a lot of Swing/ SWT/ ... desktopapplications, or weren't doing too much UI before. Also, I thinkWicket is the best of all web frameworks to learn for programmers who are now learning the trade. It's just Java and just HTML instead ofyet another DSL, and imo there's not much that will encourage badprogramming practices. I also thought about: * Good support for modern web pages (AJAX), while being compatible with older browsers. But this one is I am afraid not good enough. For example FireFox 1.0 is not supported.This is not inherently true for the framework though. We provide aconvenience implementation for Ajax, which can be used with other implementations (Dojo, scriptaculous, your own, ...). I think a strongfeature of Wicket is that you can create you custom components,including any Ajax support you want for them, without too muchtrouble. Eelco-Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of ITJoin SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cashhttp://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___Wicket-user mailing listWicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user-Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of ITJoin SourceForge.net 's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share youropinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___Wicket-user mailing listWicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
Re: [Wicket-user] Wicket arguments for big slow companies (Was:links about wicket scalability...)
Don't forget my *favorite* selling point of wicket...* NO XML!!!On 9/26/06, Marc-Andre Houle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I never liked HTML, PHP and everything related to GUI programming. Finding a Framework like Wicket that let me do all my trick in Java and never have to tweak html and CSS make me so happy, you can't understand. And the learning curve was not that hard. I begin Wicket in my new Job and after 1 week, I was at creating new Panel and delivering new stuff. MarcOn 9/26/06, Nino Wael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hehe, I espcially agree to the unlearning effect. Had a hard time getting used to the fact that wicket controls what are selected in a component...Regards Nino-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Eelco HilleniusSent: 26. september 2006 13:12 To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.netSubject: Re: [Wicket-user] Wicket arguments for big slow companies (Was:links about wicket scalability...) * Very small learning curve. Comment: Agreed. But I still think you need at least one more experienced Wicket developers for more advanced things like manipulating html generated by other components. Of course, books like 'Pro Wicket' help a lot but are not for every programmer.I'm not even sure whether I agree :) Wicket can be hard for peoplethat are not comfortable with OO programming. If all you've learned so far is coding PHP, JSP or RoR will be much easier to pick up. Also,for people who have done a bunch of projects with web MVC frameworkslike Struts, there is what Howard Lewis Ship (Tapestry) calls the'unlearning effect'. Wicket probably *is* very easy to learn for programmers that areexperienced OO programmers, did a lot of Swing/ SWT/ ... desktopapplications, or weren't doing too much UI before. Also, I thinkWicket is the best of all web frameworks to learn for programmers who are now learning the trade. It's just Java and just HTML instead ofyet another DSL, and imo there's not much that will encourage badprogramming practices. I also thought about: * Good support for modern web pages (AJAX), while being compatible with older browsers. But this one is I am afraid not good enough. For example FireFox 1.0 is not supported.This is not inherently true for the framework though. We provide aconvenience implementation for Ajax, which can be used with other implementations (Dojo, scriptaculous, your own, ...). I think a strongfeature of Wicket is that you can create you custom components,including any Ajax support you want for them, without too muchtrouble. Eelco-Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of ITJoin SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___Wicket-user mailing listWicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user-Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of ITJoin SourceForge.net 's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share youropinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user -Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of ITJoin SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
Re: [Wicket-user] Wicket arguments for big slow companies(Was:links about wicket scalability...)
+1 because this actually _is_ a very important point. // Che -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Sonnek Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:29 PM To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Wicket-user] Wicket arguments for big slow companies(Was:links about wicket scalability...) Don't forget my *favorite* selling point of wicket... * NO XML!!! On 9/26/06, Marc-Andre Houle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never liked HTML, PHP and everything related to GUI programming. Finding a Framework like Wicket that let me do all my trick in Java and never have to tweak html and CSS make me so happy, you can't understand. And the learning curve was not that hard. I begin Wicket in my new Job and after 1 week, I was at creating new Panel and delivering new stuff. Marc On 9/26/06, Nino Wael [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hehe, I espcially agree to the unlearning effect. Had a hard time getting used to the fact that wicket controls what are selected in a component... Regards Nino -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Eelco Hillenius Sent: 26. september 2006 13:12 To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Wicket-user] Wicket arguments for big slow companies (Was:links about wicket scalability...) * Very small learning curve. Comment: Agreed. But I still think you need at least one more experienced Wicket developers for more advanced things like manipulating html generated by other components. Of course, books like 'Pro Wicket' help a lot but are not for every programmer. I'm not even sure whether I agree :) Wicket can be hard for people that are not comfortable with OO programming. If all you've learned so far is coding PHP, JSP or RoR will be much easier to pick up. Also, for people who have done a bunch of projects with web MVC frameworks like Struts, there is what Howard Lewis Ship (Tapestry) calls the 'unlearning effect'. Wicket probably *is* very easy to learn for programmers that are experienced OO programmers, did a lot of Swing/ SWT/ ... desktop applications, or weren't doing too much UI before. Also, I think Wicket is the best of all web frameworks to learn for programmers who are now learning the trade. It's just Java and just HTML instead of yet another DSL, and imo there's not much that will encourage bad programming practices. I also thought about: * Good support for modern web pages (AJAX), while being compatible with older browsers. But this one is I am afraid not good enough. For example FireFox 1.0 is not supported. This is not inherently true for the framework though. We provide a convenience implementation for Ajax, which can be used with other implementations (Dojo, scriptaculous, your own, ...). I think a strong feature of Wicket is that you can create you custom components, including any Ajax support you want for them, without too much trouble. Eelco -- --- Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforge CID=DEVDEV http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforg eCID=DEVDEV ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user -- --- Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net 's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business
