Re: [Wicket-user] wicket stuff stuff

[Gwyn Evans]

On 22/11/06, Martijn Dashorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 11/22/06, James McLaughlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > This does bringing up what the default permission scheme should be. For now
> > we are allowing anyone who is logged in to read/write (No more anonymous).
> > Once we have the maintainers sorted out, would it be better to give write
> > permission to only maintainers, admins, wicket devs?
>
> Sounds good, or make it a captcha aware signup page. Or make the
> registration moderated, using the sourceforge id of the registrant.
>
> Martijn

Yes, it'll almost certainly need something more than just signup, as
we had that with the old wiki, but we still got spammed quite
regularly before I added some additional checks.  (Specifically,
http://www.homelandstupidity.us/software/bad-behavior/, but that was
PHP, whereas maybe a captcha will be easier to add to this wiki.)

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Re: [Wicket-user] wicket stuff stuff

[Martijn Dashorst]

On 11/22/06, James McLaughlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This does bringing up what the default permission scheme should be. For now
> we are allowing anyone who is logged in to read/write (No more anonymous).
> Once we have the maintainers sorted out, would it be better to give write
> permission to only maintainers, admins, wicket devs?

Sounds good, or make it a captcha aware signup page. Or make the
registration moderated, using the sourceforge id of the registrant.

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Re: [Wicket-user] wicket stuff stuff

[James McLaughlin]

Right. Spaced that out. Thanks.

This does bringing up what the default permission scheme should be. For now
we are allowing anyone who is logged in to read/write (No more anonymous).
Once we have the maintainers sorted out, would it be better to give write
permission to only maintainers, admins, wicket devs?

On 11/22/06, Gwyn Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On 22/11/06, James McLaughlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> done!
>
> http://wicket-stuff.sourceforge.net/wiki

Well done, though I'd be surprised if you don't need to disable
anonymous edits very quickly!

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Re: [Wicket-user] wicket stuff stuff

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added myself as maintainer for wicket-contrib-{tinymce,gmap} and
wicket-contrib-{tinymce,gmap}examples projects.
on wiki page, besides name and website, maybe it worth adding email address
as well.

/iulian

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Re: [Wicket-user] wicket stuff stuff

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On 11/22/06, Martijn Dashorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would suggest making the wiki the main documentation page. The maven
> doc generation needs some understanding and not many have the time to
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+1 for the wiki... there are a lot of projects in wicket-stuff, and it
would be difficult to mantain a "regular" website updated

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Re: [Wicket-user] wicket stuff stuff

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On 11/22/06, Martijn Dashorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


As for the wicket parent, I think that would be nice. It would
standardize common things such as wicket dependency, svn repository,
etc.

But this is for the project maintainers themselves to decide.



Indeed, just a surgestion :)

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Re: [Wicket-user] wicket stuff stuff

[Martijn Dashorst]

I would suggest making the wiki the main documentation page. The maven
doc generation needs some understanding and not many have the time to
learn it.

As for the wicket parent, I think that would be nice. It would
standardize common things such as wicket dependency, svn repository,
etc.

But this is for the project maintainers themselves to decide.

Martijn

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> Would it make sense to make a wicket-stuff-parent as we have wicket-parent?
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Re: [Wicket-user] wicket stuff stuff

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Would it make sense to make a wicket-stuff-parent as we have wicket-parent?

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Re: [Wicket-user] wicket stuff stuff

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* James McLaughlin:

> I've started  a topic  ProjectMaintainers and populated  it with
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Thanks James,

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Re: [Wicket-user] wicket stuff stuff

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On 22/11/06, James McLaughlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> done!
>
> http://wicket-stuff.sourceforge.net/wiki

Well done, though I'd be surprised if you don't need to disable
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Re: [Wicket-user] wicket stuff stuff

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On 11/21/06, cowwoc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'd much prefer JPA integration. I don't see one as part of 
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> I know Cheeser was working on one.

I bet you can contribute a patch for DataBinder too. Open source etc.

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Re: [Wicket-user] wicket stuff stuff

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+1 for wicket-stuff using the main wicket wiki

On 11/21/06, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Let's let the new maintainers decide on that then :) I agree with
Martijn that it might be nice to have everything in one WIKI - if that
would be ok with Apache policy etc - though otoh, it could be good for
the wicket-stuff project to give it it's own feel and dynamics.

Eelco


On 11/21/06, Gwyn Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Not saying don't, but if it's just to track this sort of discussion,
> then the main wiki's as good as anywhere for the moment.
>
> /Gwyn
>
> On 21/11/06, Igor Vaynberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > i think if its easy it should be on sf.net
> >
> > so i would say go ahead
> >
> > -igor
> >
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> > On 11/21/06, James McLaughlin < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > I can install moinmoin on sourceforge for wicket-stuff. Should I go
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> > >
> > >
> > > On 11/21/06, Filippo Diotalevi < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 11/22/06, Martijn Dashorst < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > Can't we set up a space for wicket-stuff which content we don't
> > > > > attribute to the ASF, but provide as a documentation ground for
the
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Re: [Wicket-user] wicket stuff stuff

[Gwyn Evans]

Not saying don't, but if it's just to track this sort of discussion,
then the main wiki's as good as anywhere for the moment.

/Gwyn

On 21/11/06, Igor Vaynberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i think if its easy it should be on sf.net
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>
> -igor
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> On 11/21/06, James McLaughlin < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I can install moinmoin on sourceforge for wicket-stuff. Should I go ahead
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> >
> >
> > On 11/21/06, Filippo Diotalevi < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > On 11/22/06, Martijn Dashorst < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Can't we set up a space for wicket-stuff which content we don't
> > > > attribute to the ASF, but provide as a documentation ground for the
> > > > wicket-stuff project?
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Re: [Wicket-user] wicket stuff stuff

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Let's let the new maintainers decide on that then :) I agree with
Martijn that it might be nice to have everything in one WIKI - if that
would be ok with Apache policy etc - though otoh, it could be good for
the wicket-stuff project to give it it's own feel and dynamics.

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On 11/21/06, Gwyn Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Not saying don't, but if it's just to track this sort of discussion,
> then the main wiki's as good as anywhere for the moment.
>
> /Gwyn
>
> On 21/11/06, Igor Vaynberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > i think if its easy it should be on sf.net
> >
> > so i would say go ahead
> >
> > -igor
> >
> >
> > On 11/21/06, James McLaughlin < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > I can install moinmoin on sourceforge for wicket-stuff. Should I go ahead
> > and do it?
> > >
> > >
> > > On 11/21/06, Filippo Diotalevi < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 11/22/06, Martijn Dashorst < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > Can't we set up a space for wicket-stuff which content we don't
> > > > > attribute to the ASF, but provide as a documentation ground for the
> > > > > wicket-stuff project?
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> > > > > across the internets.
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Re: [Wicket-user] wicket stuff stuff

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> Well done. However, i think it will be difficult to keep track of this
> discussion in the mailing list.
> Can we use a wiki instead? For example, can we use the [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [Wicket-user] wicket stuff stuff

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I've started work on JPA/toplink support in qwicket but we have a
post-Thanksgiving deadline so everything else is taking a back seat.

cowwoc wrote:
>   I'd much prefer JPA integration. I don't see one as part of databinder.
> I know Cheeser was working on one. Has anyone got a finished version we
> could use?
> 
> Gili
> 
> Igor Vaynberg wrote:
>> wicket-contrib-data-hibernate-3.0  can prob go to the glue factory now
>> that databinder.net  is around
>>
>> -igor
>>
>>
>> On 11/21/06, *cowwoc* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > wrote:
>>
>> James McLaughlin wrote:
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Re: [Wicket-user] wicket stuff stuff

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On 11/21/06, James McLaughlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've take a brief look at all the wicket-stuff projects, and here are some
> things I think need to be done.

Well done. However, i think it will be difficult to keep track of this
discussion in the mailing list.
Can we use a wiki instead? For example, can we use the [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It would be much easier IMHO...

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Re: [Wicket-user] wicket stuff stuff

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You can consider me being the maintainer of wicket-contrib-examples
and - with very luke-warm support - wicket-contrib-navmenu.
Furthermore, I'm co-maintaining wicket-contrib-yui and
wicket-contrib-yui examples together with Joshua Lim, who is the main
guy for the project.

As far as I am concerned we can forget about wicket-contrib-data-hibernate-2.1.

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On 11/21/06, James McLaughlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've take a brief look at all the wicket-stuff projects, and here are some
> things I think need to be done.
>
> * figure out which projects have maintainers, which are orphaned and/or need
> new maintainers, and which should be sent to the glue factory.
>
> * subprojects that aren't mavened could be mavenated. This might be a matter
> for debate though.
>
> * make sure each subproject can build and run  for 1.2, 1.x, 2.0.
>
> * fix up the wicket-stuff site so it has links to all subprojects that have
> site documents. Encourage each subproject to have a subsite and way of
> automatically deploying it (mvn)
>
> * create a convention for subproject release. Do subprojects keep the same
> versioning as the wicket they are compatible with? Makes sense to me.
>
> * roll releases.
>
> Gee, that was easy. Now I know how my boss feels.
>
>
> I went through about 1/4 the projects to figure out the current maintainer.
> Please respond if you are the maintainer of the project listed below, or if
> you know the project has been orphaned, or if you don't plan on having a
> release:
>
> sticky-wicket  almaw, ivaynberg
> wicket-archetypes  gwynevans
> wicket-contrib-auth-class-roles  cowwoc
> wicket-contrib-benchmark  pkulak
> wicket-contrib-cms  weazelb0y
> wicket-contrib-data  cowwoc
> wicket-contrib-database  jonathanlocke
> wicket-contrib-data-hibernate-2.1  jdonnerstag
> wicket-contrib-data-hibernate-3.0  cowwoc
>
> If your project/name isn't on the list, feel free to respond anyway.
> Otherwise just wait until we send out an email that includes them.
>
> ok. must write code.
>
> thanks,
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Re: [Wicket-user] wicket stuff stuff

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I'd much prefer JPA integration. I don't see one as part of databinder.
I know Cheeser was working on one. Has anyone got a finished version we
could use?

Gili

Igor Vaynberg wrote:
> wicket-contrib-data-hibernate-3.0  can prob go to the glue factory now
> that databinder.net  is around
> 
> -igor
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> On 11/21/06, *cowwoc* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> 
> James McLaughlin wrote:
> > wicket-contrib-auth-class-roles  cowwoc
> > wicket-contrib-data  cowwoc
> > wicket-contrib-data-hibernate-3.0  cowwoc
> 
> I am the owner of the first one and yes I plan on
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Re: [Wicket-user] wicket stuff stuff

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I can install moinmoin on sourceforge for wicket-stuff. Should I go ahead
and do it?

On 11/21/06, Filippo Diotalevi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On 11/22/06, Martijn Dashorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can't we set up a space for wicket-stuff which content we don't
> attribute to the ASF, but provide as a documentation ground for the
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> I'd rather have the documentation together in one place than scattered
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Re: [Wicket-user] wicket stuff stuff

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On 11/21/06, Igor Vaynberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> wicket-contrib-data-hibernate-3.0  can prob go to the glue
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But then cdapp will stop working in wicket-contrib-examples. If Nathan
or someone else wants to be so nice to rewrite it using DataBinder,
that would be sweet. Otherwise, I'll maintain
wicket-contrib-data-hibernate-3.0 together with the examples project.

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Re: [Wicket-user] wicket stuff stuff

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Eelco Hillenius wrote:
> Let's let the new maintainers decide on that then :) I agree with
> Martijn that it might be nice to have everything in one WIKI - if that
> would be ok with Apache policy etc - though otoh, it could be good for
> the wicket-stuff project to give it it's own feel and dynamics.

I much prefer to keep a clean division. The only thing that the ASF does 
in relation to Wicket-stuff is grant permission to use the Wicket name. 
The rest happens outside the ASF.

Of course, the two projects are related, and there will be cross-links 
(even a list of the various wicket-stuff projects on the 
wicket.apache.org site) but the development and documentation for those 
projects should be with the project itself, ideally at SourceForge.

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Re: [Wicket-user] wicket stuff stuff

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Oh, yeah. Hmmm, wicket-stuff stays at Sourceforge, so yes, something
at sourceforge or somewhere else.

Eelco


On 11/21/06, James McLaughlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Good idea. Should we use the main wicket wiki on apache, or create a
> wicket-stuff wiki on sourceforge?
>
> jim
>
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> On 11/21/06, Filippo Diotalevi < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 11/21/06, James McLaughlin < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I've take a brief look at all the wicket-stuff projects, and here are
> some
> > > things I think need to be done.
> >
> > Well done. However, i think it will be difficult to keep track of this
> > discussion in the mailing list.
> > Can we use a wiki instead? For example, can we use the [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://cwiki.apache.org/WICKET/ ?
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Gwyn Evans wrote:
> Not saying don't, but if it's just to track this sort of discussion,
> then the main wiki's as good as anywhere for the moment.

Well, yeah. If all that it is needed for is one page that will be thrown 
away afterwards, use what you like, including Apache one. If it is 
likely to grow into something bigger, or survive for some time, a 
separate wiki would be best. IMO.

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On 11/21/06, Martijn Dashorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can't we set up a space for wicket-stuff which content we don't
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That would be perfect if possible/ allowed.

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So that's a yes for installing a WIKI on SF James :)

eElco

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> Gwyn Evans wrote:
> > Not saying don't, but if it's just to track this sort of discussion,
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>
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On 11/22/06, Martijn Dashorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can't we set up a space for wicket-stuff which content we don't
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done!

http://wicket-stuff.sourceforge.net/wiki

Needs de-uglification if someone wants to volunteer for that. I followed the
instructions at http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/SourceForge pretty much word
for word, so this will show you the install paths.

I've enabled the Anti Spam module, but supposedly sf's firewall interferes
with it. Also, there is a note that sf loves to munge world writeable files
on occasion, so does someone want to get a backup set up? If no one can, I
can look into later.

I've started a topic ProjectMaintainers and populated it with the mails
received today.

thanks,
jim



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So that's a yes for installing a WIKI on SF James :)

eElco

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> Gwyn Evans wrote:
> > Not saying don't, but if it's just to track this sort of discussion,
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>
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