[Bug 13782] Install ConfirmAccount extension on Wikimedia wikis

2013-08-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13782

Greg Grossmeier g...@wikimedia.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX

--- Comment #38 from Greg Grossmeier g...@wikimedia.org ---
Closing. Please read comment 37 first if you want to reopen this bug.

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[Bug 13782] Install ConfirmAccount extension on Wikimedia wikis

2013-08-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13782

Greg Grossmeier g...@wikimedia.org changed:

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--- Comment #37 from Greg Grossmeier g...@wikimedia.org ---
Hello all,

This is a long and old bug. From my understanding, there is still some process
in place, whether or not that process is ideal for everyone can be debated.
There is, however, no longer a consensus of installing this specific extension
(ConfirmAccount) on Wikimedia Wikis.

If there is a new extension to review, then that should be a new bug (this one
is too jumbled to do that effectively anymore).

If there needs to be a review of whatever current system is in place, that
should also be a separate bug/issue.

For now, I'll assume this bug can be closed as WONTFIX given that this specific
extension is not being deployed. This isn't to say the issue in general is a
WONTFIX.

Please reply here if I am incorrect with the above, otherwise I will close this
request next week.

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[Bug 13782] Install ConfirmAccount extension on Wikimedia wikis

2013-03-15 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13782

--- Comment #36 from Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.org ---
Simon, how's this going?

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[Bug 13782] Install ConfirmAccount extension on Wikimedia wikis

2013-01-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13782

Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Keywords|patch-need-review   |

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[Bug 13782] Install ConfirmAccount extension on Wikimedia wikis

2012-07-27 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13782

--- Comment #33 from Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.org 2012-07-27 
19:19:02 UTC ---
Simon, how's that going?

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[Bug 13782] Install ConfirmAccount extension on Wikimedia wikis

2012-07-27 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13782

--- Comment #34 from Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com 2012-07-27 19:40:57 UTC 
---
If development has stalled on this, I'd be happy to help out. I'm not working
on anything and am looking for something to do.

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[Bug 13782] Install ConfirmAccount extension on Wikimedia wikis

2012-07-27 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13782

--- Comment #35 from Simon Walker stwalkers...@googlemail.com 2012-07-28 
00:44:57 UTC ---
It stalled a little (re-writing a puppet manifest on my own servers...), but
when I get settled into my new job next week I'm hoping I'll be able to pick it
up again. It was never going to be a quick job though.

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[Bug 13782] Install ConfirmAccount extension on Wikimedia wikis

2012-04-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13782

--- Comment #31 from mab...@blah.ch 2012-04-25 08:53:24 UTC ---
Can we get then a server with a test system to check/verify what is needed and
thus to create bug reports? At the moment, I only saw images and heard some
reports...

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[Bug 13782] Install ConfirmAccount extension on Wikimedia wikis

2012-04-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13782

Simon Walker stwalkers...@googlemail.com changed:

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--- Comment #32 from Simon Walker stwalkers...@googlemail.com 2012-04-25 
12:23:50 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #30)
 If there are features lacking in E:ConfirmAccount people should be filing bugs
 so we/everyone knows what needs to be worked on (and ideally marking them as
 blocking this bug).

I'm looking at building a new extension which gives the functionality needed,
I've previously not mentioned it because it's only being written as a
proof-of-concept, and my current lack of time. When I have something basic to
demo and more time, my plan was to open dialog with Howie/Sumana about it per
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Writing_an_extension_for_deployment, and carry on
from there.

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[Bug 13782] Install ConfirmAccount extension on Wikimedia wikis

2012-04-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13782

p858snake p858sn...@gmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED
 CC||p858sn...@gmail.com
 Resolution|INVALID |

--- Comment #30 from p858snake p858sn...@gmail.com 2012-04-25 05:48:57 UTC ---
Reopening, ACC is hosted on a third party system [The Toolserver] (which is not
covered by our Privacy Polices) and we should be trying to move services, that
handle user details (especially private data), such as this onto our systems.

If there are features lacking in E:ConfirmAccount people should be filing bugs
so we/everyone knows what needs to be worked on (and ideally marking them as
blocking this bug).

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[Bug 13782] Install ConfirmAccount extension on Wikimedia wikis

2012-04-19 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13782

Sumana Harihareswara suma...@panix.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED
 Resolution||INVALID

--- Comment #29 from Sumana Harihareswara suma...@panix.com 2012-04-19 
15:30:59 UTC ---
The discussion at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Request_an_account#Account_Request_extension.2C_revisited
finished as follows:

So, it seems fairly clear that there is no real enthusiasm for enabling this
extension. This seems to be based around the fact that ConfirmAccount actually
lacks a lot of the features that ACC connects, although it was an improvement
over the tools available in 2008 when the initial discussion happened. It would
require far more developer resources than initially thought. We're going to be
trying to work out if there are actually security issues that need to be worked
through, and will start a new bug to deal with those specific problems if
information dictates that we should; in the meantime, please do contact us if
you're aware of specific problems with ACC.

If any of you have programming experience or skills and want to work with us on
fixing ACC problems, please do come to either the Berlin Hackathon 2012
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Berlin_Hackathon_2012 or the Hackathon at
Wikimania this year; we'd love to have a group to extend and improve ACC,
although I know that a lot of people are already (and have been for a long
time!) helping make the software better. In the meantime, do give us a shout if
you can point to specific rather than general issues, and drop me a message if
you want to be kept in the loop. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 20:22, 13 April 2012
(UTC)

I am alerting Chris Steipp, Wikimedia Foundation's new Software Security
Engineer
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2012-April/060148.html, of
this discussion so that he knows of this discussion.  You can let him know of
any security issues in the current ACC setup and practice - csteipp, at
wikimedia dot org.

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[Bug 13782] Install ConfirmAccount extension on Wikimedia wikis

2012-04-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13782

--- Comment #26 from Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org 2012-04-12 13:15:58 
UTC ---
Hey guys; I've started a discussion at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Request_an_account#Account_Request_extension.2C_revisited
to assess how strongly the community feels about this extension, one way or
another. If people want to participate, please do so we can get a feel for
which way the needle is swinging :)

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[Bug 13782] Install ConfirmAccount extension on Wikimedia wikis

2012-04-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13782

Jessica jess...@jessicahunter.ca changed:

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--- Comment #27 from Jessica jess...@jessicahunter.ca 2012-04-12 14:12:02 UTC 
---
The proposed extension appears to be a joke of a feature that offers almost
noting of actual use compared to the toolserver setup of ACC. If you want
banned users getting new accounts simply by asking for them then this extension
is the way to go.

As for the paranoid the possibility for unwittingly leaked data like IP
addresses it is true of anything run through toolserver or any Check User too.
If you want to say the potential for accidents is greater i would really like
to know how. If you mean there is more opportunity for malicious use of data
then i think your assessment is skewed to inherent distrust of folk like me and
trust of the people with the CU right and we really need to shut down
everything that makes use of such data. O damn, that would be EVERYTHING. ACC
is subject to the same WMF privacy policy that the person with the CU right is
subject to. 

ACC exists on the Toolserver to aid those who DO NOT YET HAVE AN ACCOUNT so
asking those who ALREADY HAVE ACCOUNTS AND ARE IN SOME POSITION OF REPUTATION
AND TRUST if it is helpful and of any value is like asking hard core committed
Mountain Dew drinkers what they think of the new flavour of Dr Pepper.  I know
everything here runs on consensus but you are asking the community to say
whether they like this and the relevance to them is nearly nil and the
ignorance level i would guess is fairly high. You will get those who don't
understand and are outraged. You might get someone who 'came up through the
ranks' having requested an account through ACC three years ago who will be
grateful for it. But the ignorant opposition would out-weigh the informed
support. If you think that is the kind of consensus that is acceptable then the
issue runs much deeper.

MZMcBride processed a whopping 3 requests and had his account at ACC suspended
nearly 4 years ago for inactivity. Ironholds has an account at ACC but never
used it and was suspended for inactivity a little over 3 years ago. If you are
going to request a public solicitation of opinion could maybe someone who is at
least a bit up-to-date on things be the person asking the question(s).

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[Bug 13782] Install ConfirmAccount extension on Wikimedia wikis

2012-04-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13782

--- Comment #28 from Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org 2012-04-12 14:13:57 
UTC ---
Jessica, as my comment above indicates, there is a wide solicitation of opinion
going on. I'm not commenting either way as to its usefulness; I'm here as part
of my job with the Wikimedia Foundation, not as an editor. We're primarily
asking existing and active ACC users; if you go to the discussion I have
already linked, you can comment there.

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[Bug 13782] Install ConfirmAccount extension on Wikimedia wikis

2012-04-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13782

Sumana Harihareswara suma...@panix.com changed:

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 CC||oke...@wikimedia.org

--- Comment #23 from Sumana Harihareswara suma...@panix.com 2012-04-11 
20:44:44 UTC ---
A few of us talked about this in IRC today
https://toolserver.org/~mwbot/logs/%23wikimedia-dev/20120411.txt .  It seems
like it's unclear whether any WMF community still wants this, as the current
solution might be good enough.  CC'ing Oliver.  Ironholds, do you have time to
assess things by asking around about this and figuring out whether en.wikipedia
still wants it?  Thanks.

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[Bug 13782] Install ConfirmAccount extension on Wikimedia wikis

2012-04-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13782

--- Comment #24 from Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org 2012-04-11 20:54:29 
UTC ---
(In reply to comment #23)
 A few of us talked about this in IRC today
 https://toolserver.org/~mwbot/logs/%23wikimedia-dev/20120411.txt .  It seems
 like it's unclear whether any WMF community still wants this, as the current
 solution might be good enough.  CC'ing Oliver.  Ironholds, do you have time to
 assess things by asking around about this and figuring out whether 
 en.wikipedia
 still wants it?  Thanks.

Shall do :). I can get the conversation set up tomorrow morning, if that works
for you?

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[Bug 13782] Install ConfirmAccount extension on Wikimedia wikis

2012-04-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13782

MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

URL|http://en.wikipedia.org/wik |https://en.wikipedia.org/wi
   |i/Wikipedia_talk:ACC#Accoun |ki/Wikipedia_talk:Request_a
   |t_Request_extension |n_account/Archive_3#Account
   ||_Request_extension

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[Bug 13782] Install ConfirmAccount extension on Wikimedia wikis

2012-04-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #25 from MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com 2012-04-11 22:22:56 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #23)
 A few of us talked about this in IRC today
 https://toolserver.org/~mwbot/logs/%23wikimedia-dev/20120411.txt .  It seems
 like it's unclear whether any WMF community still wants this, as the current
 solution might be good enough.  CC'ing Oliver.  Ironholds, do you have time to
 assess things by asking around about this and figuring out whether 
 en.wikipedia
 still wants it?  Thanks.

Did you read comment 13 (quoted below)?

 With the current setup at http://toolserver.org/~acc/ there is an external
 server dependency, an entirely separate user interface, a separate user auth
 and permissions system, and the possibility for unwittingly leaked data like 
 IP
 addresses of users requesting accounts. This is undesirable and unacceptable.

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[Bug 13782] Install ConfirmAccount extension on Wikimedia wikis

2012-04-10 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Sumana Harihareswara suma...@panix.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Keywords||design
 CC||bhar...@wikimedia.org,
   ||hf...@wikimedia.org

--- Comment #22 from Sumana Harihareswara suma...@panix.com 2012-04-10 
11:20:32 UTC ---
Adding design keyword -- needs product management/user experience design review
before we deploy (cc'ing Howie and Brandon).  Edited
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Review_queue to reflect this.

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[Bug 13782] Install ConfirmAccount extension on Wikimedia wikis

2012-04-04 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Sumana Harihareswara suma...@panix.com changed:

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 CC||suma...@panix.com

--- Comment #21 from Sumana Harihareswara suma...@panix.com 2012-04-04 
13:56:44 UTC ---
What is the current community consensus on this, and are there technical
problems with the extension or other reasons it should not be deployed?

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[Bug 13782] Install ConfirmAccount extension on Wikimedia wikis

2011-11-28 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #20 from Aaron Schulz aschulz4...@gmail.com 2011-11-28 18:58:36 
UTC ---
(In reply to comment #19)
 This will go on labs console first. Nothing should be enabled on any wmf sites
 before that (if enabled at all).

Actually it won't anymore, so disregard that.

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[Bug 13782] Install ConfirmAccount extension on Wikimedia wikis

2011-09-28 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Reedy s...@reedyboy.net changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Blocks||31235

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[Bug 13782] Install ConfirmAccount extension on Wikimedia wikis

2011-09-28 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #19 from Aaron Schulz aschulz4...@gmail.com 2011-09-29 00:17:31 
UTC ---
This will go on labs console first. Nothing should be enabled on any wmf sites
before that (if enabled at all).

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[Bug 13782] Install ConfirmAccount extension on Wikimedia wikis

2011-09-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13782

Bug 13782 depends on bug 25732, which changed state.

Bug 25732 Summary: Possible integration between ConfirmAccount and CentralAuth
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25732

   What|Old Value   |New Value

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution||FIXED

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[Bug 13782] Install ConfirmAccount extension on Wikimedia wikis

2011-03-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Aaron Schulz jschulz_4...@msn.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Depends on||25732

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[Bug 13782] Install ConfirmAccount extension on Wikimedia wikis

2011-03-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Ashar Voultoiz has...@free.fr changed:

   What|Removed |Added

  Component|Site requests   |Extension setup

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[Bug 13782] Install ConfirmAccount extension on Wikimedia wikis

2010-10-10 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13782

MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED
 CC||b...@mzmcbride.com
 Resolution|INVALID |
Summary|Install ConfirmAccount  |Install ConfirmAccount
   |extension on enwiki |extension on Wikimedia
   ||wikis

--- Comment #18 from MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com 2010-10-10 20:23:14 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #17)
 (In reply to comment #16)
  I'm not sure that the community wants this anymore.  They have been using a
  process via the toolserver which eliminates the need for this extension
  (http://stable.toolserver.org/acc/).  This request can probably be closed.
  
 
 Closed then.

Re-opening.

I don't think it's really a community's decision to implement such a poor hack
like this.

With the current setup at http://toolserver.org/~acc/ there is an external
server dependency, an entirely separate user interface, a separate user auth
and permissions system, and the possibility for unwittingly leaked data like IP
addresses of users requesting accounts. This is undesirable and unacceptable.

I don't see a reason to limit this extension to the English Wikipedia and I
don't see any need for individual project consensus for something that's a
technical issue. Broadening the bug summary as well.

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