[Wikidata] Re: Fwd: [Talk-GB] Welsh Government is now using a Welsh-language baselayer largely based on OSM

2022-10-18 Thread Jason J . Evans
Hi all, 

I led the project last year to include Wikidata on the Welsh OSM so perhaps I 
can answer your question.

The map prioritises Welsh place names from OSM where available. We filled some 
of the gaps (around 5-6k I think) by pulling Welsh labels from Wikidata where 
OSM entries have Qid's but no Welsh name.

Alongside this we did some work to add more Qid's to Welsh places on OSM but 
this was done manually. I've also done a lot of work to clean up Welsh 
settlement data on Wikidata. Andy knows the OSM community better than me but my 
understanding is that there is more reluctance to go for big batch edits than 
on Wikidata, but long term, adding more qid's to OSM  (aligning the data) would 
be super valuable for getting the most out of the open data that is already out 
there, especially for mapping in smaller languages.

Hope that helps,

Jason
 
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On Monday, October 17, 2022 15:39 BST, "Federico Leva (Nemo)" 
 wrote: 
 
> Il 17/10/22 13:56, Andy Mabbett ha scritto:
> > Forwarding for interest:
> 
> Thank you, this is excellent!
> 
> > They take data via Mapio Cymru rather than from OSM directly because
> > we apply some additional rules and bring in names from Wikidata where
> > appropriate. This also means that as we improve Welsh name
> > identification they'll get the benefit of that.
> 
> Does this mean that the name on Wikidata takes precedence over any name 
> on OSM and that there's no additional data source beyond OSM and 
> Wikidata? In other words are they contributing any changes directly to 
> OSM and Wikidata?
> 
> Federico
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[Wikidata] Re: Fwd: [Talk-GB] Welsh Government is now using a Welsh-language baselayer largely based on OSM

2022-10-17 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 at 15:39, Federico Leva (Nemo)  wrote:
>
> Il 17/10/22 13:56, Andy Mabbett ha scritto:

> > [quoting Ben Proctor of Mapio Cymru]

> > They take data via Mapio Cymru rather than from OSM directly because
> > we apply some additional rules and bring in names from Wikidata where
> > appropriate. This also means that as we improve Welsh name
> > identification they'll get the benefit of that.
>
> Does this mean that the name on Wikidata takes precedence over any name
> on OSM and that there's no additional data source beyond OSM and
> Wikidata?

I do not know the details; we will have to wait for the promised blog
post (it has not been published, at the time of writing).

>  In other words are they contributing any changes directly to OSM and 
> Wikidata?

I know some of the people behind Mapio Cymru; they are significant
contributors to both OSM and Wikidata.

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[Wikidata] Re: Fwd: [Talk-GB] Welsh Government is now using a Welsh-language baselayer largely based on OSM

2022-10-17 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)

Il 17/10/22 13:56, Andy Mabbett ha scritto:

Forwarding for interest:


Thank you, this is excellent!


They take data via Mapio Cymru rather than from OSM directly because
we apply some additional rules and bring in names from Wikidata where
appropriate. This also means that as we improve Welsh name
identification they'll get the benefit of that.


Does this mean that the name on Wikidata takes precedence over any name 
on OSM and that there's no additional data source beyond OSM and 
Wikidata? In other words are they contributing any changes directly to 
OSM and Wikidata?


Federico
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