Re: [Wikidata] What kind of bot for wiktionary in wikidata needs?

[Léa Lacroix]

Hello,

No, there is nothing from our side regarding extracting data from
Wiktionary. This is not in the plans of the development team, by the way,
we think that this decision (to extract or not) and the ways to possibly do
it, should be taken by both of the communities (Wikidata and Wiktionary).

If you have any experiments or demo, feel free to share :)

On 20 March 2017 at 21:57, Amirouche  wrote:

> Héllo all!
>
>
> Le 02/03/2017 à 10:34, Léa Lacroix a écrit :
>
>> Hello Amirouche,
>>
>> Thanks a lot for your interest in this project and your proposal to help.
>> Currently, the development team is still working on the new datatype
>> structure for lexemes, and we don't have something to demo yet.
>>
>
> I don't need wikibase support of L, F and S right now.
>
> What I am wondering is whether there is already work done wikimedia side
> regarding the *extraction* of Lexeme, Form and Sens from wikitionary pages.
>
> I started scrapping english wiktionary. I will have demo ready by the end
> of the week. But I'd like to avoid duplicate work and focus on other stuff
> if wikimedia already plan to do this.
>
> As soon as we can provide a viable structure to test, we will announce it
>> here and on the talk page of the project > /Wikidata_talk:Wiktionary>.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> On 1 March 2017 at 22:43, > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> It is my understanding that Wikidata for Wiktionary requires new
>> data structures or at least new name space (L, F and S), and that
>> is what holding people back.
>>
>>
>> What could be interesting to have would be a prototype (not
>> necessarily built with MediaWiki+Wikibase) to see if the suggested
>> scheme is ok
>>
>>
>>
>> On 03/01/2017 10:16 PM, Amirouche wrote:
>>
>> Héllo,
>>
>>
>> I have been lurking around for some month now. I stumbled upon the
>> wiktionary in wikidata project
>>  via for instance this pdf
>> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/Wikidata
>> _for_Wiktionary_announcement.pdf
>> > a_for_Wiktionary_announcement.pdf>
>>
>>
>> Now I'd like to help. For that I want to build a bot to
>> achieve that goal.
>>
>>
>> My understanding is that a proof of concept of the page 11 of
>> the above
>> pdf can be good. But I never really did any site scraping. Is
>> there any
>> abstraction that help in this regard.
>>
>>
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Re: [Wikidata] What kind of bot for wiktionary in wikidata needs?

[Amirouche]

Héllo all!


Le 02/03/2017 à 10:34, Léa Lacroix a écrit :

Hello Amirouche,

Thanks a lot for your interest in this project and your proposal to help.
Currently, the development team is still working on the new datatype 
structure for lexemes, and we don't have something to demo yet.


I don't need wikibase support of L, F and S right now.

What I am wondering is whether there is already work done wikimedia side 
regarding the *extraction* of Lexeme, Form and Sens from wikitionary pages.


I started scrapping english wiktionary. I will have demo ready by the 
end of the week. But I'd like to avoid duplicate work and focus on other 
stuff if wikimedia already plan to do this.


As soon as we can provide a viable structure to test, we will announce 
it here and on the talk page of the project 
.


Cheers,

On 1 March 2017 at 22:43, > wrote:



Hi,


It is my understanding that Wikidata for Wiktionary requires new
data structures or at least new name space (L, F and S), and that
is what holding people back.


What could be interesting to have would be a prototype (not
necessarily built with MediaWiki+Wikibase) to see if the suggested
scheme is ok



On 03/01/2017 10:16 PM, Amirouche wrote:

Héllo,


I have been lurking around for some month now. I stumbled upon the
wiktionary in wikidata project
 via for instance this pdf

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/Wikidata_for_Wiktionary_announcement.pdf




Now I'd like to help. For that I want to build a bot to
achieve that goal.


My understanding is that a proof of concept of the page 11 of
the above
pdf can be good. But I never really did any site scraping. Is
there any
abstraction that help in this regard.



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Re: [Wikidata] What kind of bot for wiktionary in wikidata needs?

[Léa Lacroix]

Hello Amirouche,

Thanks a lot for your interest in this project and your proposal to help.
Currently, the development team is still working on the new datatype
structure for lexemes, and we don't have something to demo yet.
As soon as we can provide a viable structure to test, we will announce it
here and on the talk page of the project
.

Cheers,

On 1 March 2017 at 22:43,  wrote:

>
>
> Hi,
>
>
> It is my understanding that Wikidata for Wiktionary requires new data
> structures or at least new name space (L, F and S), and that is what
> holding people back.
>
> What could be interesting to have would be a prototype (not necessarily
> built with MediaWiki+Wikibase) to see if the suggested scheme is ok.
>
>
>
> Finn Årup Nielsen
>
>
>
> On 03/01/2017 10:16 PM, Amirouche wrote:
>
>> Héllo,
>>
>>
>> I have been lurking around for some month now. I stumbled upon the
>> wiktionary in wikidata project
>>  via for instance this pdf
>> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/Wikidata
>> _for_Wiktionary_announcement.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>> Now I'd like to help. For that I want to build a bot to achieve that goal.
>>
>>
>> My understanding is that a proof of concept of the page 11 of the above
>> pdf can be good. But I never really did any site scraping. Is there any
>> abstraction that help in this regard.
>>
>>
>> My setup:
>>
>>
>> - homegrown rdf-like database with wikidata loaded from json dumps with
>> minikanren querying
>>
>> - GNU Guile
>>
>> - soon enough dumps from https://en.wiktionary.org/api/
>>
>>
>> Tx!
>>
>>
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Re: [Wikidata] What kind of bot for wiktionary in wikidata needs?

[fn]

Hi,


It is my understanding that Wikidata for Wiktionary requires new data 
structures or at least new name space (L, F and S), and that is what 
holding people back.


What could be interesting to have would be a prototype (not necessarily 
built with MediaWiki+Wikibase) to see if the suggested scheme is ok.




Finn Årup Nielsen



On 03/01/2017 10:16 PM, Amirouche wrote:

Héllo,


I have been lurking around for some month now. I stumbled upon the
wiktionary in wikidata project
 via for instance this pdf
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/Wikidata_for_Wiktionary_announcement.pdf



Now I'd like to help. For that I want to build a bot to achieve that goal.


My understanding is that a proof of concept of the page 11 of the above
pdf can be good. But I never really did any site scraping. Is there any
abstraction that help in this regard.


My setup:


- homegrown rdf-like database with wikidata loaded from json dumps with
minikanren querying

- GNU Guile

- soon enough dumps from https://en.wiktionary.org/api/


Tx!


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Re: [Wikidata] What kind of bot for wiktionary in wikidata needs?

[Finn Aarup Nielsen]

Hi,


It is my understanding that Wikidata for Wiktionary requires new data 
structures or at least new name space (L, F and S), and that is what 
holding people back.


What could be interesting to have would be a prototype (not necessarily 
built with MediaWiki+Wikibase) to see if the suggested scheme is ok.




Finn Årup Nielsen



On 03/01/2017 10:16 PM, Amirouche wrote:

Héllo,


I have been lurking around for some month now. I stumbled upon the
wiktionary in wikidata project
 via for instance this pdf
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/Wikidata_for_Wiktionary_announcement.pdf



Now I'd like to help. For that I want to build a bot to achieve that goal.


My understanding is that a proof of concept of the page 11 of the above
pdf can be good. But I never really did any site scraping. Is there any
abstraction that help in this regard.


My setup:


- homegrown rdf-like database with wikidata loaded from json dumps with
minikanren querying

- GNU Guile

- soon enough dumps from https://en.wiktionary.org/api/


Tx!


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