Re: [Wikidata-l] Is Wikidata VIAF data being used in Wikipedia?
Thanks for the feedback everyone. Not the unambiguous Use this, it's the
best source answer I was hoping for, but I've got a better understanding
of the issues.
Aubrey - The Italian approach sounds good (and I like the position on the
page where the VIAF et al identifiers are rendered), but appears to still
depend on the inclusion of the {{Controllo di autorità}} template which is
missing in this case http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Mujica Not sure
if that's just a synchronization issue or something where people need to
manually noticed that the data is available in VIAF and include it (seems
like a job for a bot). Also, for Max's example, it only includes one of
the two different VIAF identifiers: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q18391
GerardM - The Occitan approach sounds good in theory, but when I look at
these two pages currently, they not only don't include the VIAF identifier,
but they've got all kinds of other rendering problems.
http://oc.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Alberto_Mujica
http://oc.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Clerk_Maxwell
Max - I'm not familiar enough with the universe of possible technical
options or the Wikipedians culture to really have a valuable opinion, but
that sounds like it would probably be too aggressive from some of the
comments that I've read along the lines of not sure if I want to invest
the time to learn how to edit things in a new (ie Wikidata) way.
Clearly data that's not visible isn't going to get reviewed or corrected.
The trick is to make it visible in a way that makes the local editors
still believe they have control.
Tom
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Gerard Meijssen
gerard.meijs...@gmail.comwrote:
Tom,
On the Occitan Wikipedia they indicate the VIAF (and other) identifiers
are shown from Wikidata. When a new identifier is added, this new
identifier will be shown as well. When it is changed it is changed as well.
When information in both Wikidata and Wikipedia is the same, it would be
good when the information is removed from Wikipedia (and shown from
Wikidata). When there is a difference, the information needs to be verified
and the resolution needs to go to Wikidata and sourced. In this way
information will gradually become be improved and be available in more
Wikipedias.
Yes you can concentrate your efforts on Wikipedia but it will only benefit
one Wikipedia. It could do so much more good.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 16 October 2013 18:34, Tom Morris tfmor...@gmail.com wrote:
If I want the most current/accurate VIAF ids, should I be looking at
Wikidata or Wikipedia?
When I look at the EN Wikipedia pages for these two topics:
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q9094
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q9095
both of which have property P214, the VIAF identifer, the second displays
the VIAF identifier, but the first doesn't and the one that does display
the identifier appears to be using information from the embedded
AuthorityControl template, not Wikidata.
My concern is that if the Wikidata VIAF data isn't being viewed/edit on
Wikipedia, it can easily be invisibly wrong like the infamous Persondata
template.
Tom
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Re: [Wikidata-l] Is Wikidata VIAF data being used in Wikipedia?
Hoi,
Indeed, they do no longer include the VIAF identifier, they did in the
past. Yes, there are all kinds of errors with the template used. However,
from my perspective this is a Wikipedia with really limited resources
making the best of what is on offer.
In the past I blogged about this very issue and in my opinion, we need
people to work on localisable templates to be used in every project that
cares to use them.
Remember, this IS a wiki, it does not have to be perfect, it does not even
have to be good. What it does need is a lot of effort to make it as good as
we can get it. This is not academia and it could do with help from the
people from academia :)
Thanks,
Gerard
On 17 October 2013 18:53, Tom Morris tfmor...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for the feedback everyone. Not the unambiguous Use this, it's the
best source answer I was hoping for, but I've got a better understanding
of the issues.
Aubrey - The Italian approach sounds good (and I like the position on the
page where the VIAF et al identifiers are rendered), but appears to still
depend on the inclusion of the {{Controllo di autorità}} template which is
missing in this case http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Mujica Not
sure if that's just a synchronization issue or something where people need
to manually noticed that the data is available in VIAF and include it
(seems like a job for a bot). Also, for Max's example, it only includes
one of the two different VIAF identifiers:
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q18391
GerardM - The Occitan approach sounds good in theory, but when I look at
these two pages currently, they not only don't include the VIAF identifier,
but they've got all kinds of other rendering problems.
http://oc.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Alberto_Mujica
http://oc.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Clerk_Maxwell
Max - I'm not familiar enough with the universe of possible technical
options or the Wikipedians culture to really have a valuable opinion, but
that sounds like it would probably be too aggressive from some of the
comments that I've read along the lines of not sure if I want to invest
the time to learn how to edit things in a new (ie Wikidata) way.
Clearly data that's not visible isn't going to get reviewed or corrected.
The trick is to make it visible in a way that makes the local editors
still believe they have control.
Tom
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Gerard Meijssen
gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote:
Tom,
On the Occitan Wikipedia they indicate the VIAF (and other) identifiers
are shown from Wikidata. When a new identifier is added, this new
identifier will be shown as well. When it is changed it is changed as well.
When information in both Wikidata and Wikipedia is the same, it would be
good when the information is removed from Wikipedia (and shown from
Wikidata). When there is a difference, the information needs to be verified
and the resolution needs to go to Wikidata and sourced. In this way
information will gradually become be improved and be available in more
Wikipedias.
Yes you can concentrate your efforts on Wikipedia but it will only
benefit one Wikipedia. It could do so much more good.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 16 October 2013 18:34, Tom Morris tfmor...@gmail.com wrote:
If I want the most current/accurate VIAF ids, should I be looking at
Wikidata or Wikipedia?
When I look at the EN Wikipedia pages for these two topics:
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q9094
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q9095
both of which have property P214, the VIAF identifer, the second
displays the VIAF identifier, but the first doesn't and the one that does
display the identifier appears to be using information from the embedded
AuthorityControl template, not Wikidata.
My concern is that if the Wikidata VIAF data isn't being viewed/edit on
Wikipedia, it can easily be invisibly wrong like the infamous Persondata
template.
Tom
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[Wikidata-l] Statistics
Hoi, I do not know if you have seen the statistics compiled by Magnus [1]. They are up to date and useful. I blogged about it [2]. As far as I am concerned, the biggest challenge we face is the lack of labels. Given that 280+ languages are represented in Wikidata it clearly demonstrates that Wikidata is useless as it is for most languages. Please tell me that I am wrong and explain why. Thanks, GerardM [1] http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/stats.php [2] http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2013/10/statistics-for-wikidata.html ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
[Wikidata-l] labels for Wikidata items
Hoi, Is there a bot to add labels to Wikidata ? It seems that the majority of the Wikidata items have only one label. To be useful, to be available to search, it is imperative that a label exists. The obvious value is the name of the Wikipedia article. It is better to have that as a label than no label.. Is there a bot that will populate Wikidata based on the existing interwiki links and, is it possible to have the name of a new article added as a label when a new Wikipedia article is added as an interwiki link? Thanks, Gerard ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
