Re: [Wikidata-l] first parts of phase 2 live on wikidata.org now

[Dennis Tobar]

Do'h... I understand the problem, but I can't think how solve the
problem... maybe we translate "gender" as "género" and "genus" as "género
taxonomico" (adding a word): isn't a beautiful way to solve the problem,
but it's a good way to keep the same idea of "unique property name".

Cheers


On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Denny Vrandečić <
denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de> wrote:

> It is a feature. The reason for that is that in the Wikipedias when you
> access the data you can't use the property names otherwise - they have to
> be unique. So in order to be able to write {{#property:capital}}, the
> capital property needs to be unique (and a {{#property:p25}} we considered
> to be unacceptable usability-wise).
>
> That is why we decided that property labels need to be unique (per
> language). If there are better ways to solve that problem, we are all ears.
>
> Cheers,
> Denny
>
>
> 2013/2/6 Dennis Tobar 
>
>> Hi:
>>
>> As we know, two properties may have the same "name". In Spanish we call
>> "género" to two topics: gender (P21) and genus (P74). The first is related
>> to sex and second to taxonomic categoy. So, if we call both as "género",
>> the site doesn't allow it (Edit not allowed: Otra propiedad (21) ya tiene
>> la etiqueta "género" asociada con el código de idioma es)
>>
>> Is it any bug or feature?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 5:47 AM, Mathieu Stumpf <
>> psychosl...@culture-libre.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Le 2013-02-05 15:58, Lydia Pintscher a écrit :
>>>
>>>  On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Nicholas Humfrey
  wrote:

> This is fantastic :) you are making amazingly fast progress!
>

 Thank you!

  I have been trying to assign the 'is a' property to David Cameron:
> http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/**Q192
>
> And make him a Politician:
> http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/**Q82955
>
> But it doesn't seem to let me select 'Politician' in the value field.
> How
> is the list of allowed values defined?
>

 I just set this. This is possible.
 There is no list of allowed values. All existing items are allowed if
 it is a property of type item.

>>>
>>> About relation names, 'is a' is vague, isn't it? I mean, Mr. Cameron may
>>> have political activities today, and make something else tomorrow, as he
>>> may used to do something else before. So wouldn't be interested to give
>>> more accurate information, like he have been UK prime minister since 11 may
>>> 2010 (and adding information on end date of phenomena when possible, which
>>> is not the case here). And then you may add prime minister in a "political
>>> role" category.
>>>
>>> Now it all depends on granularity wikidata is aiming to.
>>>
>>> Cheers
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Re: [Wikidata-l] first parts of phase 2 live on wikidata.org now

[Denny Vrandečić]

It is a feature. The reason for that is that in the Wikipedias when you
access the data you can't use the property names otherwise - they have to
be unique. So in order to be able to write {{#property:capital}}, the
capital property needs to be unique (and a {{#property:p25}} we considered
to be unacceptable usability-wise).

That is why we decided that property labels need to be unique (per
language). If there are better ways to solve that problem, we are all ears.

Cheers,
Denny


2013/2/6 Dennis Tobar 

> Hi:
>
> As we know, two properties may have the same "name". In Spanish we call
> "género" to two topics: gender (P21) and genus (P74). The first is related
> to sex and second to taxonomic categoy. So, if we call both as "género",
> the site doesn't allow it (Edit not allowed: Otra propiedad (21) ya tiene
> la etiqueta "género" asociada con el código de idioma es)
>
> Is it any bug or feature?
>
> Regards
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 5:47 AM, Mathieu Stumpf <
> psychosl...@culture-libre.org> wrote:
>
>> Le 2013-02-05 15:58, Lydia Pintscher a écrit :
>>
>>  On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Nicholas Humfrey
>>>  wrote:
>>>
 This is fantastic :) you are making amazingly fast progress!

>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>>  I have been trying to assign the 'is a' property to David Cameron:
 http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/**Q192 

 And make him a Politician:
 http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/**Q82955

 But it doesn't seem to let me select 'Politician' in the value field.
 How
 is the list of allowed values defined?

>>>
>>> I just set this. This is possible.
>>> There is no list of allowed values. All existing items are allowed if
>>> it is a property of type item.
>>>
>>
>> About relation names, 'is a' is vague, isn't it? I mean, Mr. Cameron may
>> have political activities today, and make something else tomorrow, as he
>> may used to do something else before. So wouldn't be interested to give
>> more accurate information, like he have been UK prime minister since 11 may
>> 2010 (and adding information on end date of phenomena when possible, which
>> is not the case here). And then you may add prime minister in a "political
>> role" category.
>>
>> Now it all depends on granularity wikidata is aiming to.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Mathieu
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Re: [Wikidata-l] first parts of phase 2 live on wikidata.org now

[Bináris]

This two words are identical in Hungarian, too.

2013/2/6 Dennis Tobar 

> Hi:
>
> As we know, two properties may have the same "name". In Spanish we call
> "género" to two topics: gender (P21) and genus (P74). The first is related
> to sex and second to taxonomic categoy. So, if we call both as "género",
> the site doesn't allow it (Edit not allowed: Otra propiedad (21) ya tiene
> la etiqueta "género" asociada con el código de idioma es)
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Re: [Wikidata-l] first parts of phase 2 live on wikidata.org now

[Dennis Tobar]

ops, I forgot translate it!... thanks!


On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Marco Fleckinger <
marco.fleckin...@wikipedia.at> wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
> On 02/06/2013 05:17 PM, Dennis Tobar wrote:
>
>> Otra propiedad
>> (21) ya tiene la etiqueta "género" asociada con el código de idioma es
>>
>>  If not already known, the translation of this is (not officially):
>
> "Another property (21) already has the caption 'género', which is
> associated with language code 'es'."
>
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>
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Re: [Wikidata-l] first parts of phase 2 live on wikidata.org now

[Marco Fleckinger]

Hi,

On 02/06/2013 05:17 PM, Dennis Tobar wrote:

Otra propiedad
(21) ya tiene la etiqueta "género" asociada con el código de idioma es


If not already known, the translation of this is (not officially):

"Another property (21) already has the caption 'género', which is 
associated with language code 'es'."


Cheers,

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[Dennis Tobar]

Hi:

As we know, two properties may have the same "name". In Spanish we call
"género" to two topics: gender (P21) and genus (P74). The first is related
to sex and second to taxonomic categoy. So, if we call both as "género",
the site doesn't allow it (Edit not allowed: Otra propiedad (21) ya tiene
la etiqueta "género" asociada con el código de idioma es)

Is it any bug or feature?

Regards


On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 5:47 AM, Mathieu Stumpf <
psychosl...@culture-libre.org> wrote:

> Le 2013-02-05 15:58, Lydia Pintscher a écrit :
>
>  On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Nicholas Humfrey
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> This is fantastic :) you are making amazingly fast progress!
>>>
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>>  I have been trying to assign the 'is a' property to David Cameron:
>>> http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/**Q192 
>>>
>>> And make him a Politician:
>>> http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/**Q82955
>>>
>>> But it doesn't seem to let me select 'Politician' in the value field. How
>>> is the list of allowed values defined?
>>>
>>
>> I just set this. This is possible.
>> There is no list of allowed values. All existing items are allowed if
>> it is a property of type item.
>>
>
> About relation names, 'is a' is vague, isn't it? I mean, Mr. Cameron may
> have political activities today, and make something else tomorrow, as he
> may used to do something else before. So wouldn't be interested to give
> more accurate information, like he have been UK prime minister since 11 may
> 2010 (and adding information on end date of phenomena when possible, which
> is not the case here). And then you may add prime minister in a "political
> role" category.
>
> Now it all depends on granularity wikidata is aiming to.
>
> Cheers
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Re: [Wikidata-l] first parts of phase 2 live on wikidata.org now

[Mathieu Stumpf]

Le 2013-02-05 15:58, Lydia Pintscher a écrit :

On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Nicholas Humfrey
 wrote:

This is fantastic :) you are making amazingly fast progress!


Thank you!


I have been trying to assign the 'is a' property to David Cameron:
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q192

And make him a Politician:
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q82955

But it doesn't seem to let me select 'Politician' in the value 
field. How

is the list of allowed values defined?


I just set this. This is possible.
There is no list of allowed values. All existing items are allowed if
it is a property of type item.


About relation names, 'is a' is vague, isn't it? I mean, Mr. Cameron 
may have political activities today, and make something else tomorrow, 
as he may used to do something else before. So wouldn't be interested to 
give more accurate information, like he have been UK prime minister 
since 11 may 2010 (and adding information on end date of phenomena when 
possible, which is not the case here). And then you may add prime 
minister in a "political role" category.


Now it all depends on granularity wikidata is aiming to.

Cheers
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Re: [Wikidata-l] first parts of phase 2 live on wikidata.org now

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Nicholas Humfrey
 wrote:
> This is fantastic :) you are making amazingly fast progress!

Thank you!

> I have been trying to assign the 'is a' property to David Cameron:
> http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q192
>
> And make him a Politician:
> http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q82955
>
> But it doesn't seem to let me select 'Politician' in the value field. How
> is the list of allowed values defined?

I just set this. This is possible.
There is no list of allowed values. All existing items are allowed if
it is a property of type item.


Cheers
Lydia

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Re: [Wikidata-l] first parts of phase 2 live on wikidata.org now

[Nicholas Humfrey]

On 05/02/2013 09:56, "Lydia Pintscher" 
wrote:

>Heya folks :)
>
>Sorry I completely forgot to also send an email here yesterday night.
>The first parts of phase 2 are now live on wikidata.org. More details
>are in this blog post:
>http://blog.wikimedia.de/2013/02/04/first-parts-of-phase-2-of-wikidata-goi
>ng-live/


This is fantastic :) you are making amazingly fast progress!

I have been trying to assign the 'is a' property to David Cameron:
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q192

And make him a Politician:
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q82955

But it doesn't seem to let me select 'Politician' in the value field. How
is the list of allowed values defined?


Thanks,

nick.



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[Marco Fleckinger]

+1

On 02/05/2013 01:18 PM, Bináris wrote:

Congrats!



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[Bináris]

Congrats!

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[Wikidata-l] first parts of phase 2 live on wikidata.org now

[Lydia Pintscher]

Heya folks :)

Sorry I completely forgot to also send an email here yesterday night.
The first parts of phase 2 are now live on wikidata.org. More details
are in this blog post:
http://blog.wikimedia.de/2013/02/04/first-parts-of-phase-2-of-wikidata-going-live/


Cheers
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